Request for Translation of Gothic German Document #translation


I have posted in three parts on ViewMate a reproduction of a Gothic
German document that appears to be the eulogy of my
great-great-grandmother Karoline Herrmann, who died in Altenkunstadt
in 1901. The documents are located at the following links:

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

David Solomon

Re: Seeking Assistant to Determine if a Rabbi Moses Eichenstein of Schodnica (late 19th Century) is A Member of Galician Rabbinic Dynasties #rabbinic #ukraine #galicia


Thank you Barbara.  I am familiar with that Rabbi but haven't found a connection to the Moses Eichenstein of Schodnica.  I have no record he immigrated.  Indy
Indy Crowley
Redmond, Washington USA

Re: Jewish ‘home’ or orphanage in 1940s England #unitedkingdom


I believe that it might have been the Norwood Orphanage which was evacuated to the south coast in 1939, see attached link:

Best wishes with your search.

Naomi Fellerman 

Re: Seeking Assistant to Determine if a Rabbi Moses Eichenstein of Schodnica (late 19th Century) is A Member of Galician Rabbinic Dynasties #rabbinic #ukraine #galicia


There was a Rabbi Eichenstein who was active in a Chicago synagogue (1930-60).
Barbara Cohen

Re: Book search #poland #ukraine


On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 07:29 AM, Belinda Dishon wrote:
Jews-Officers in the Polish Armed Forces 1939-1945
Used copies are readily available on abebooks:
Marc Stevens

Re: The surname RAPPEL #poland


In the Avotaynu book of surnames, there are the names : Rafel, Rapel, Rappel.  
Here's a thought ...
If the surname were to be written in hebrew letters, the sounds of 'f' and 'p' are represented by the same letter fey/pey.  The way to distinguish the sound of the letter under discussion in Hebrew is to place a dot inside the letter and then we know the sound is pey so it would be Rapel.  
However, if one is unsure of the pronounciation then over time if the name is written without a dot and thereafter in latin letters it could become either or both of Rafel/Rapel.
I have come across this issue of hebrew pey/feh in connection with the first letter of my surname.  
Malka Flekier
London, England

Re: The surname RAPPEL #poland

Janet Furba

Look into the German dictionary.
Janet Furba,Germany

Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general


Dear Everyone              11th may 2021

I have read -with great interest the various different thoughts about the Bar-Mitzvah date?----Birthdate?
Jewish ?/and Secular Calendar.?

As a mother and grandmother-
who have had the blessing, honour to celebrate my children/grandchildren's Bar Mitzvah
Please allow me to record my thoughts.

Recorded Baby-boy's  birth-
Secular date 17th August 1948---corresponding to Jewish Calendar:   12th Av 5709
In my  view as we belong to the Jewish faith --especially in respect of a Jewish tradition--Bar Mitzvah 
The Jewish Birthdate is the significant  Date of Birth.

Thirteen years later: The Bar Mitzvah date : the 12th Av 5722---corresponds to 25th July 1961

Therefore the now young boy--
who was born on the 12th Av 5709---will be --age 13 --Be Bar Mitzvah
                      on the 12th Av  5722-
-which happen to be --the 25th July 1961.

There is generally a Seuda-/Dinner -with family friends and Rabbonim --in this case on the 12th Av 5722
The BarMitzvah boy will put on Teffilin--the first time--with his Rabbi and father

On Shabboth--the BarMitzvah Boy is 'called up'  the first time as an 'adult'   to the Safer Torah and
often  does the Leyning/reading  of 'His Sedra'  /the Sedra of the BarMitzvah week

Wishing Everybody lots of Simcha's and Blessed healthy years ahead.

Veronika Pachtinger
London UK.

Re: The surname RAPPEL #poland

Rodney Eisfelder

Menk's Dictionary of German Jewish Surnames suggests RAPPEL may be a diminutive of RAPP (meaning Raven), or it may come from Raphael. There was a Rappel family in Regensburg circa 1805.

I hope this helps
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia

Obtaining copies of Budapest Birth & Marriage Certificates #hungary #records


Hello all!
Thanks to the Jewishgen website I was able to find the attached birth & marriage records.
How can I obtain a copy of the birth & marriage certificates similar to these?

Shia Rabinowitz

Looking for neighbourhood Synagogue #general #unitedkingdom

yvonne baines

My great grandparents settled in Liverpool, England.   The 1871 Census has them living on Brown Street, which was near to Brownlow Hill.  The 1881 Census shows them living on Ellesmere Street, which was between Prescot Street & West Derby Street.  Can anyone help me to know which Synagogue they would have attended.  I have looked at the list of Synagogues that were in operation at this time, from looking at 'Old Streets of Liverpool, I have 2 possibilities, Hope Place and Crown Street  (Beth Hamedrash )  On the 1891 census and on I believe they attended the 'Old Hebrew Congregation' on Princes Road.  I would so much appreciate any assistance anyone can give me....  

Yvonne Tamtom

Seeking Assistant to Determine if a Rabbi Moses Eichenstein of Schodnica (late 19th Century) is A Member of Galician Rabbinic Dynasties #rabbinic #ukraine #galicia


I am seeking to determine if a Rabbi Moses Eichenstein who lived Schodnica in the late 1800's and through early 1900's is a member of one of the Galician Rabbinic (Hassidic) Dynasties. If so, I am also looking for information on his lineage.  This information could assist in determining if one of his sons in my maternal grandfather. 
Indy Crowley
Redmond, Washington USA

Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

A. E. Jordan

I have seen the back and forth discussion on the topic if dates for a Bar Mitzvah.

I would not get so worked up about the specifics unless maybe the family was Orthodox.

Caveat my family was anything but Orthodox,,,,

My 13th birthday fell (like all the other years of my life) in the middle of the summer but my Bar Mitzvah was two months before my birthday in the spring. At the time, I remember my mother saying it was because it would have been in the height of the summer and something about that being a problem with the temple but now I realize it would have interrupted their plans for a summer holiday. The Rabbi was a friend of the family and so I was Bar Mitzvahed two months early. Also since I am totally challenged when it comes to singing, and the Cantor could not stand it, I more chanted and he sung. I actually saw the man just a few years ago because he did the funeral for my mother and he complimented our spoken Hebrew and I said we had a good teacher. I guess he forgot after all these years how bad my singing was in this practice/teaching sessions.

I am sure I am not the only boy that had his date moved to fit schedules. I am sure my Orthodox cousin would be upset (did not know him all those years ago) but my family did not see a problem and that's how it happened for me in the 1970s.

Allan Jordan
New York

The surname RAPPEL #poland

Peter Lebensold


Subject: Re: The surname RAPPEL

For more info on the "f"-"p" switch - which is apparently not uncommon - look up Grimm's Law.  The switch might also have happened in other Eastern-European names.
Peter Lebensold

Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

Jx. Gx.

Hello Fredel Fruhman.  Thank you for your very detailed and informative explanation about finding out the correct Halacha Hebrew date for my late cousin's Bar Mitzvah. The Chabad site asked for the time of day that he was born, but I did not have that information, which may have been the reason its calculation was slightly off.  I knew the occasion was on a Saturday and since the hebcal and Chabad calculations were only a couple days apart I took the closest shabbat after those days, which was after his 13th Hebrew birthday. That came out to be July 29th. (I neglected to mention in my posting the "after" part.) As you correctly indicated this isn't the correct methodology and won't work in every case because there are other factors in play as pointed out by yourself and several other people.

Once again, you have helped and I appreciate it very much.

Jeffrey Gee

Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

Lin Mor

After reading the responses posted after my posting, out of curiosity, I looked up the Bar Mitzvah date for my dad. Born 12/16/1920 before sunset which is Tevet 5, 5681.  The circumstances of his Bar Mitzvah were that his oldest brother was getting married! The wedding day was January 6, 1934 (Tevet 19, 5694), a Sunday. The day before, Tevet 18, 5694 was the date of his Bar Mitzvah - I have dated photos. My paternal grandparents were Orthodox and followed the rules and laws closely almost all of the time. In this case, they did not. It seems that one weekend of festivities took place while everyone was "in town." 

Linda Cohen Morzillo
Saratoga Springs, NY

Re: ViewMate translation request - Polish #translation

Frank Szmulowicz

Let me give it a try. Cursive is hard to decipher. Others may fill in what I've missed.

Year (Rok?) 1868
It took place in the village of Seroczyn, January 3, 1868, at 10 in the morning. Jew (orthodox) Lodek Rubinsztajn, butcher, 48 years old, and Szmul Blusztajn, haberdasher (szmuklerz?), 62 years old, appeared  personally...and declared ... that on the first of the month of the current year died here in Seroczyn? Jew Sról Rubinsztejn, tanner (garbarz?), 70 years old,  .... leaving behind two adult (full age) sons

After personally convincing themselves (naocznie = being eyewitnesses) of the departure (death, zejście) of Jew Srol Rubinsztajn on the first of the month of the current year...

 (Official) Wojciech Zaniewski?
(Names and signatures (in Yidish) of the witnesses)
Lodek Rubinsztajn
Szmul Blusztajn
The bottom portion regards the death of another person in the town of Skoczka? of Jew Kiwa Josek Lyn? on the seventh of the month of the current year. It took place on January 10, 1868.

Sorry. This is all I can decipher for now.

Frank Szmulowicz


Re: Jewish ‘home’ or orphanage in 1940s England #unitedkingdom

Susan J. Gordon

You might try asking at the Jewish Museum of London; it holds a lot of information but... I expect that it's closed now. In any case, staff members might respond to email queries. Good luck!

Susan J Gordon
Bialazurker - ZBARAZ, BUDAPEST
Lempert/Schoenholz/ - LVOV, SKALAT, CZERNOWITZ

Re: Book search #poland #ukraine

Mark Shapiro

YIVO at the Center for Jewish History in New York City has a copy of the book at,contains,Benjamin%20Meirtchak&offset=0.
They may be willing to look up information in it for you.
Mark Shapiro
New York, NY

Re: Bayside cemeteries Mokkom Shalom #usa #records

Robert Hanna

Bayside, Mokom Shalom, and Acacia Cemeteries are not in Bayside NY.  They are in Ozone Park.

Robert Hanna


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