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Re: List of Victims of Babi Yar? #ukraine #holocaust

Harry Boonin
 

David Levine, on April 27, 2021 asked about names on lists of Jews who were killed at the end of September 1941 at Babi Yar, a 60 yard long ravine.
A partial list of two thousand names of Jews killed at Babi Yar does exist.  The book was researched in the late 1970s & early 80s by recent arriving Russian Jews who came to the Philadelphia area. The Soviet Government played no part in the research. Letters were received from the U.S., Israel and Jews from the USSR. 
The names are given in Russian, English, and Yiddish. The only data are the full names and their age. Many large families are included. Professor Nora Levine of Gratz College in Philadelphia, Shimon Kipnis & Joseph Vinokurov, recent immigrants from the USSR (Kiev), edited the book. 
If anyone has a name, I would be happy to look it up for them. 
Harry D. Boonin
warrington, Pennsylvania 
harryboonin@...


Re: does anyone know this Yiddish expression? #yiddish

Jx. Gx.
 

Aline,

The expression means exactly what it says.  My mother used to say it in Yiddish and then repeat it in English. She more correctly said, "A MOTHER can take care of 10 children, but 10 children cannot care for their mother."  Traditionally, mothers have always taken care of the household and made sure the children were well-fed, clothed, took care of them when they got sick, and comforted them when they scraped their knee while playing.  But when the years pass and the mother becomes weak or sick, often times her adult children can find no time to care for her. Heartbreaking.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona    


Re: requests for translations #translation

Jx. Gx.
 

There is no foul in asking.  The translator can decide to respond or not.  Its their choice.  If the translator agrees to take on the task they can do it as a courtesy or ask for compensation in which case it becomes a private conversation. There was a guy on this site offering to take photos of headstones at a cemetery where my gg grandparents are buried. He then asked for an unspecified "donation." I'm sure he was going to that cemetery anyway for his own personal reasons. When the pictures arrived in an email I sent him a fair amount in compensation. I was satisfied, I hope he was.



Jeffrey Gee
Arizona, USA


Re: Seeking Assistant to Determine if a Rabbi Moses Eichenstein of Schodnica (late 19th Century) is A Member of Galician Rabbinic Dynasties #rabbinic #ukraine #galicia

Yitschok Margareten
 

There was a Rabbi Moses Eichenstein who served as rabbi in Schodnica, he perished in the Holocaust. 
I found on the web, that his father's name was Rabbi Yehoshia Heshil Eichenstein. 
The name Yehoshia Heshil appears several times in the family tree of the Eichenstein family from the Ziditchoiv (Zhydachiv) Chassidic rabbinical dynasty, in the branch of Rabbi Yehoshia Heshil Eichenstein Rabbi of Chodorov (Kodoriv), son of Rabbi Alexander Yom Tov Lipa Eichenstein Rabbi of Ziditchoiv. The previously mentioned Rabbi Eichenstein from Chicago is a descendant of this branch.
The name Moshe is more common in the Ziditchoiv family tree, not specifically in one branch. 

There was a Rabbi in Choliov Galicia and later in Israel, his name was Rabbi Shimon Efrati. In one of his books he has a page of dedications for his relatives who perished in the Holocaust. One of the names is his uncle Rabbi Moshe Eichenstein from Schodnica. He writes for his father's name only the initial M. also from Chodorov. Apparently Rabbi Moshe was the son-in-law of one of Rabbi Simon's grandfathers; Rabbi Mordecai Efrati or Rabbi Tzvi Wahrman. 

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Yitschok Margareten


Re: does anyone know this Yiddish expression? #yiddish

Judy Floam
 

And it’s about children not being willing to care for their aging parents.

 

Judy Floam

Baltimore, MD


What is this: Signed Document with Names in Yiddish (Hebrew Characters) in1816 Russian Revision List #records #russia #translation

David Levine
 

Hi everyone,

I was browsing through the 1816/1818 Revision List for the Slutsk/Borisov districts on Family Search
On page 1001 I found the document attached:

- It is a one page document followed by 2 1/2 pages of signatures
- The 1 page document is in Russian Cyrillic script
- The 2 1/2 pages of signatures are written in Latin characters and Yiddish written with script Hebrew characters

Given the Jewish names and Yiddish, I imagine this is something to do with the Jewish community of a town
I do not read Russian or Yiddish 
I imagine that whatever town this is from, this would be of genealogical interest given all the names there.
Can anyone say what this document is about / where it is from?

Many thanks
David




Volume 333-9/220. Slutsk, Borisov districts 1816, 1818
Family History Library
International B1 Floor Film
2010468
Item 2
 7766620
 

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Best Regards,
David Levine
San Francisco, CA, USA
davidelevine@...
Researching: 
Weinstein -> Solotwina, Galicia | Frisch, Hilman, Jungerman, Schindler -> Rozniatow, Galicia | Golanski, Kramerofsky/Kromerovsky -> Kiev | Lefkowitz -> Petrikov, Belarus | Shub, Rosen Hlusk, Belarus | Levine, Weiner, Zamoshkin -> Slutsk, Belarus 


Re: does anyone know this Yiddish expression? #yiddish

Barbara Kenzer
 

It is Tetah. I mispelled the word. 


On Tue, May 11, 2021, 10:11 AM Barbara Kenzer via groups.jewishgen.org <bkenzer2290=gmail.com@...> wrote:
Tater means father. A father can take care of his ten children, but 10 children can not take care of one father.
I hope that helps.
Barbara Kenzer 
SUBURB OF CHICAGO,  IL

On Tue, May 11, 2021, 9:59 AM Aline Petzold <linypetzold@...> wrote:

I recently had a letter translated into English. The following expression was used by  my grandmother, the writer: "a Tateh can care for ten children but ten children can not care for one Tateh”.
I have an idea what it means, but i am wondering if anyone in this group has heard the expression and can tell me if there is an English equivalent. Thanks much.
Aline Petzold St. Paul MN USA


Re: Looking for neighbourhood Synagogue #general #unitedkingdom

ireneplotzker@...
 

On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 02:08 AM, yvonne baines wrote:
Old Hebrew Congregation' on Princes Road
The Princes Road synagogue has a website, princesroad.org with this statement on p.2: "Many people contact LOHC with enquiries as to whether their ancestors were part of the congregation or the wider Liverpool Jewish community. Please feel free to contact us if this is the case.  Saul Marks"  Various links and phone numbers for the Liverpool Jewish community are listed at https://www.princesroad.org/linksnumbers .  Good luck!

Irene Greenwald Plotzker
Wilmington, Delaware, USA


Re: does anyone know this Yiddish expression? #yiddish

Barbara Kenzer
 

Tater means father. A father can take care of his ten children, but 10 children can not take care of one father.
I hope that helps.
Barbara Kenzer 
SUBURB OF CHICAGO,  IL


On Tue, May 11, 2021, 9:59 AM Aline Petzold <linypetzold@...> wrote:

I recently had a letter translated into English. The following expression was used by  my grandmother, the writer: "a Tateh can care for ten children but ten children can not care for one Tateh”.
I have an idea what it means, but i am wondering if anyone in this group has heard the expression and can tell me if there is an English equivalent. Thanks much.
Aline Petzold St. Paul MN USA


does anyone know this Yiddish expression? #yiddish

Aline Petzold
 

I recently had a letter translated into English. The following expression was used by  my grandmother, the writer: "a Tateh can care for ten children but ten children can not care for one Tateh”.
I have an idea what it means, but i am wondering if anyone in this group has heard the expression and can tell me if there is an English equivalent. Thanks much.
Aline Petzold St. Paul MN USA


Hebrew Cemetery, Asbury Park NJ #usa

Laurie Sosna
 

Hi,

I have a death notice from the Asbury Park Press Apr 27, 1933 for MEYER LEVITZ who died Apr 26, 1933 in Bradley Beach.
It says: "Internment will be made in the Hebrew Cemetery by Funeral Director Harry J. Bodine."
I'd really like to get a photo of his headstone.

There are a couple of Hebrew Cemeteries nearby, Chesed Shel Ames & Agudath Achim.
I can't locate Meyer in the JOWBR.
I checked Find-a-Grave with no luck.

Cemetery mavens: any ideas?

Thanks for your help,
Laurie Sosna
San Francisco, CA


Request for Translation of Gothic German Document #translation

SOL2516171@...
 

I have posted in three parts on ViewMate a reproduction of a Gothic
German document that appears to be the eulogy of my
great-great-grandmother Karoline Herrmann, who died in Altenkunstadt
in 1901. The documents are located at the following links:

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM93594

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM93595

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM93596


Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

David Solomon


Re: Seeking Assistant to Determine if a Rabbi Moses Eichenstein of Schodnica (late 19th Century) is A Member of Galician Rabbinic Dynasties #rabbinic #ukraine #galicia

indy.crowley@...
 

Thank you Barbara.  I am familiar with that Rabbi but haven't found a connection to the Moses Eichenstein of Schodnica.  I have no record he immigrated.  Indy
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Indy Crowley
Redmond, Washington USA
indy.crowley@...
Gottlieb
Eichenstein
Eisenstein
Allit
Olisky


Re: Jewish ‘home’ or orphanage in 1940s England #unitedkingdom

naomif57@...
 

I believe that it might have been the Norwood Orphanage which was evacuated to the south coast in 1939, see attached link:

http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/LondonJewsHospital/

Best wishes with your search.

Naomi Fellerman 


Re: Seeking Assistant to Determine if a Rabbi Moses Eichenstein of Schodnica (late 19th Century) is A Member of Galician Rabbinic Dynasties #rabbinic #ukraine #galicia

ahcbfc@...
 

There was a Rabbi Eichenstein who was active in a Chicago synagogue (1930-60).
Barbara Cohen


Re: Book search #poland #ukraine

mhstevens144@...
 

On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 07:29 AM, Belinda Dishon wrote:
Jews-Officers in the Polish Armed Forces 1939-1945
Used copies are readily available on abebooks:

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&cm_sp=SearchF-_-home-_-Results&an=Benjamin+Meirtchak&tn=Jews-Officers+in+the+Polish+Armed+Forces+1939-1945&kn=&isbn=
 
--
Marc Stevens
Toronto


Re: The surname RAPPEL #poland

malka_f1
 

In the Avotaynu book of surnames, there are the names : Rafel, Rapel, Rappel.  
 
Here's a thought ...
 
If the surname were to be written in hebrew letters, the sounds of 'f' and 'p' are represented by the same letter fey/pey.  The way to distinguish the sound of the letter under discussion in Hebrew is to place a dot inside the letter and then we know the sound is pey so it would be Rapel.  
 
However, if one is unsure of the pronounciation then over time if the name is written without a dot and thereafter in latin letters it could become either or both of Rafel/Rapel.
 
I have come across this issue of hebrew pey/feh in connection with the first letter of my surname.  
 
Malka Flekier
London, England
 
 
 
 


Re: The surname RAPPEL #poland

Janet Furba
 

Look into the German dictionary.
Janet Furba,Germany


Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

paveanyu@...
 

Dear Everyone              11th may 2021

I have read -with great interest the various different thoughts about the Bar-Mitzvah date?----Birthdate?
Jewish ?/and Secular Calendar.?

As a mother and grandmother-
who have had the blessing, honour to celebrate my children/grandchildren's Bar Mitzvah
Please allow me to record my thoughts.

Recorded Baby-boy's  birth-
Secular date 17th August 1948---corresponding to Jewish Calendar:   12th Av 5709
In my  view as we belong to the Jewish faith --especially in respect of a Jewish tradition--Bar Mitzvah 
The Jewish Birthdate is the significant  Date of Birth.

Thirteen years later: The Bar Mitzvah date : the 12th Av 5722---corresponds to 25th July 1961

Therefore the now young boy--
who was born on the 12th Av 5709---will be --age 13 --Be Bar Mitzvah
                      on the 12th Av  5722-
-which happen to be --the 25th July 1961.

There is generally a Seuda-/Dinner -with family friends and Rabbonim --in this case on the 12th Av 5722
The BarMitzvah boy will put on Teffilin--the first time--with his Rabbi and father

On Shabboth--the BarMitzvah Boy is 'called up'  the first time as an 'adult'   to the Safer Torah and
often  does the Leyning/reading  of 'His Sedra'  /the Sedra of the BarMitzvah week

Wishing Everybody lots of Simcha's and Blessed healthy years ahead.

Veronika Pachtinger
London UK.


Re: The surname RAPPEL #poland

Rodney Eisfelder
 

Menk's Dictionary of German Jewish Surnames suggests RAPPEL may be a diminutive of RAPP (meaning Raven), or it may come from Raphael. There was a Rappel family in Regensburg circa 1805.

I hope this helps
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia

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