Re: does anyone know this Yiddish expression? #yiddish

Neil Kominsky

I recall this expression in common usage in English in my grandparents' (b. 1895-1899) generation.

Neil Kominsky
Brookline, MA

Re: Jewish ‘home’ or orphanage in 1940s England #unitedkingdom


Thank you so much Susan, Naomi, Sherri, and others who wrote privately,

Sherri's kind advice suggests another idea. You mention schools. I think education became compulsory in 1918. So, is there a way to search school records?

I assume schooling was done outside an orphanage. Or, am I wrong?

Thanks again.


Paul St George (London)

Looking for Kaufmann, Schimmelpfennig, Jewish families from Marburg

Re: does anyone know this Yiddish expression? #yiddish

Yitschok Margareten

This phrase expresses the mercy and love of parents towards their children vs. the mercy and love of children towards their parents. 

This expression is from the work of Rabbi Yeshayahu [Isaiah] Horowitz (c. 1500 - 1630) known as the Shelah Hakaddosh, in his book Shenei Luchos Habris (Shaar HaOsiyos, Derech Eretz)
He writes there about parents supporting their children and giving them large amounts of money. He then mentiones this expression as a folks parable, "אמרו במשל הדיוט, אב אחד מפרנס עשרה בניו באהבה וברצון, ועשרה בנים לא מפרנסים באהבה וברצון אב אחד שלהם" [one father provides for his ten sons with love and will, and ten sons do not support with love and will for their one father]. 

This expression is apparently based on the words of the Talmud (tractate Sotah page 49A) "היינו דאמרי אינשי רחמי דאבא אבני, רחמי דבני אבני דהוי ליה" [the mercy of a father is for his sons, the mercy of the son is for the sons he will have]. 

This idea is also mentioned another place in Talmud (tractate Sanhedrin page 72A-B) in the discussion of home invasion in the Jewish law, that when a father invades his son's home, it's obvious that the father will not kill his son, but in the opposite case this is not certain. 

Yitschok Margareten

Re: Pew Research Center New Study on American Jews #announcements #general #usa

Bruce Drake

There will be several more posts in the next few weeks based on this survey, the next one scheduled for tomorrow comparing the religiosity of Jewish-Americans compared to Americans of other faiths. It should appear on the Center's Fact Tank blog:

One other feature of this survey is something members might want to check out: Interactive: How do you compare with Jewish Americans in 2020?

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Re: Jewish ‘home’ or orphanage in 1940s England #unitedkingdom


The history page for Norwood Orphanage is here  There is mention of archives including orphanage records and the suggestion "to find out more about Norwood’s archives,  call Norwood on 020 8809 8809"

It might also be worth checking with World Jewish Relief as they hold some refugee records 
Best wishes
Marsha Rosenberg

Re: does anyone know this Yiddish expression? #yiddish

Aline Petzold

Hello all:
 Thanks to everyone who took the time to reply to my question.  You are a great group!
Aline Petzold
St. Paul MN

Re: Hebrew Cemetery, Asbury Park NJ #usa

Steve Stein

Chesed Shel Emes apparently belonged to a synagogue in Bradley Beach, so a good bet. It appears that both those cemeteries (adjacent, apparently) may have been taken over by Congregation Brothers of Israel in Long Branch, NJ. You might try contacting the office there to see if they have a record of burials. Don't assume that Find-A-Grave is complete, the volunteers often document only a section they are personally interested in.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ

Re: Hebrew Cemetery, Asbury Park NJ #usa



Meyer Levitz' death certificate would probably indicate the cemetery in which he is buried.

Kind regards,
David Passman
Dallas, Texas

Cemeteries near Asbury Park,NJ #usa

S Pasquariella

There is also the Monmouth Fields Jewish Cemetery in Long Branch, NJ (not far from Asbury Park).  Phone number is (732) 449-5454 and Congregation Brothers of Israel (3 locations) phones (732) 822-0101.  I believe there are more small cemeteries in the area.  The ones I’ve listed may have more suggestions.  

Hope this helps,
Susan Pasquariella

Re: Copies of Briceni (Bessarabia) Birth, Marriage or death Certificates for... #records #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan

Hello Alberto.  it is good that you posted message at our Discussion group.
But, it seems that you did not do a search in our Database, and that is important to do first.

here is a simple search with 155 results!!

OAnother point want to make:

name Moricis is not the name in Bessarabia!  Probably it was Moyshe.

Finally, all Birth, death, marriage records inventory you can find in Bessarabia Vital Records Introductory pages, direct link is this:

All the best,
Yefim Kogan\
JewishGen Bessarabia Group Leader and Coordinator

Re: requests for translations #translation

Janet Furba

No, unless you find a volunteer.
Janet Furba,

Re: Perkels in Belarus #belarus

Gerald and Margaret

I  suggest you contact a charity called The Together Plan. Based in London and Minsk, the aim  to help the remaining Jewer communiy become more self-sufficient.  One of their projects is doing family search.
They have the huge advantage of knowing the language and the cumberson Bureaucrasies

Good hunting,

Margaret Levin
London N3

Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

David Seldner

A Bar Mitsva - the event - is a traditon which is a few hundred years old.
When the boy turns 13 (according to the Jewish calendar) or a girl tuns 12, he/she are "off age". responsible for their doing, obliged to follow the mitsvot.
A boy who is 13 years old also counts for the minyan (I am not talking about Reform Judaism, this came up "only" a few hundred years ago) and as a symbol he reads a part (maftir) from the weekly Torah portion.
Also, traditionally, he has to lay t'fillin before that. As a consequence: As soon as he is 13 years old he demonstrates his status by laying t'fillin in the synagogue and on the following Shabbat he shows that he is also permitted to read from the Torah. This is called "Bar Mitsva". But halakhically it has no meaning. Of course a Bar Mitsva can also be held later (but not earlier). Veronika Pachtinger explained it very nicely (unfortunately I saw her post when I had almost finished mine).

In my certificate of the Brit Milla is even written when my Bar Mitsva is - the portion of the Tora. But I had it one week later, I do not know why and when I asked the cantor 20 years later he couldn't remember. My guess is that the portion I had to read was pretty lengthy, so he set the date a week later. The reading was not all that difficult.

On which day the boy turns 13 can easily be calculated by converting the Gregorian date of birth to the Jewish one.

I  hope this explains the situation a bit.

David Seldner, Karlsruhe, Germany

Re: requests for translations #translation


Hi Frank,
Sometimes I do translations from German into English, also based on my background as a historian. If it's done in a few minutes, it's my pleasure to do this for free. If I need several hours or even days I must ask for a compensation. Because then it is about earning money, as all of us have to do in one or the other way.
Kindest regards,
Alexander Burstein

Copies of Briceni (Bessarabia) Birth, Marriage or death Certificates for... #records #bessarabia

Alberto Kremnitzer

Dear all.
I wish to obtain Birth/Marriage or Death Certificates for
1- Moricis Abuliac (Abuliak), who lived in Briceni c. 1870 to 1930, whose spouse was...
2 - Rifca Abuliac (Abuliak)

The Birth Certificate for their daughter Perl (Perola) Abuliak born 01 Feb. 1918.
Does anyone know where is it possible to obtain such documents in Briceni, then Bessarabia, nowadays moldova?
Is there already a names list of those buried in the Jewish Cemetery in Biceni?
Thank you
Alberto Kremnitzer  ID#: 38830

Re: Book search #poland #ukraine

Belinda Dishon

Thanks to everyone for their help. I have found the book at my local genealogy society
Belinda Dishon
Melbourne Australia

Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami-A Slice of Jewish Life: Two Island Stories #jgs-iajgs #announcements

Paulette Bronstein

Dear Friends,
You are invited to a Zoom presentation about Southwest Florida Jewish history Sunday, May 16th at 10:30 a.m.
To join contact jgsgm.vpprogramming@....
Paulette Bronstein
Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami
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Orange County California JGS meeting on May 23rd at 10:00 am with Miriam Weiner #announcements #jgs-iajgs

Michelle Sandler

May 23 at 10:00 am (Pacific time zone)
Miriam Weiner: What's new at Routes to Roots Foundation? New surnames
databases, maps, town images, and more!
Miriam Weiner, researcher, genealogist, author, world traveler.
Speaking of Pioneers of Jewish Genealogy... We'll have a little
conversation, and then Miriam will take us on a guided tour of the
many additions and enhancements that she recently posted at the Routes
to Roots Foundation website, including:

Two new Surname Databases (standard surname search & OCR search)
Image Database
Maps (detailed regional maps) and 75 individual town maps for Ukraine
OCR search of business directories and telephone books

Registration required. Register at Free with OCJGS
membership or else $5.00

Sorry, this presentation will not be recorded.

Michelle Sandler MLS
Vice President of Programming

Re: The surname RAPPEL #poland

Sherri Bobish


Lobaschni is probably Łabiszyn, Poland.
Alternate names: Łabiszyn [Pol], Labischin [Ger], Lüderitz [Ger, 1940-45]

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

Re: Jewish ‘home’ or orphanage in 1940s England #unitedkingdom

Sherri Bobish


Try searching her name at:

Click on:
Web Archive advanced Search

Type in name you are searching in the top field and hit search.

Scroll down on results page and look for anything labeled:

Moving Here | Catalogue

This site is no longer updated, and is a bit klutzy to search on these days, but I have found many documents there relating to Jewish refugees in Britain in the WW11 time frame, including school records.

You can search by person's name or by name of town that they came from, and I imagine other keywords would work also.

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish

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