Hello (introduction) #france #general


Hello to everyone.  My name is Julie and I'm about to help my husband with his family tree.  This will take me a while, because I am visually impaired and can't spend too much time looking at a computer monitor.

I am from Canada, but my husband is French and we live in France.  I spent some time here in France trying to experience the side of things that could not be experienced in America.  I have gone to the deportation and resistance museum quite a few times since I've been here to try to better understand what happened here during the war.  It's not something I can do for long periods of time, so I have tried to get as much as I could from it over short periods.

My husband has warned me that, at the beginning of the war, someone from the family went to the synagogue and ripped all of the records with their family name on it out of the books.  I am not sure what I have in store for me on this journey, but I have a feeling it will not be easy.  I hope that some of you will be willing to help me, and I of course will be willing to help you the best that I can.

Thank you for having me in this group.  I really appreciate it.

Have a great day,
Julie Colangelo

Re: Travel from Shtetll to Sea Port #ukraine

Lee Jaffe

Thank you so much for the link to the Cowen report.  I have only skimmed it, esp. the section on travel you highlighted, and it is very informative and fascinating. It is great to read a contemporary account, so clearly and engagingly written.   I've been trying to learn more about the journey out of the Pale, the mechanics of crossing frontiers, arrangement for the different stages of travel, documents required, etc., to help supplement my understanding of my family's story.   I have the original Russian passports for 2 of my maternal great-grandparents and wondered how someone came by such documents.  This was esp. interesting since my paternal grandfather told me he was smuggled across the Russian border into Germany.  I've read several first-hand accounts of the journey, including a spare rendering in Sholem Aleichem's Motl, the cantor's son, in which he describes the family being smuggled across the border with their household goods, housed at a nearby inn until they can be put on a train to the port when they will embark.   

Until this recent finding, I've been able to find only anecdotal accounts, sometime fictional, or bits and pieces about critical points of the journey.  Someone has already mentioned the immigrant banks in Philadelphia: there is some information about the payment scheme and the system for delivering tickets via local agents to the travelers attached to those collections, I believe.  Perhaps more relevant to the original question, I've also read (sorry, but I can't put my finger on the source) that the immigrant trade was very lucrative and there was sometimes fierce competition for business.  This included not only the steamship lines but also the countries where the ports were located. Thus, travelers passing through Germany on their way to Antwerp were often harassed by officials along the way.  My grandfather said his train was delayed by officials, causing him to miss his ship, forcing him to wait until the next available passage.  This was documented in the Cowen report.  Perhaps choosing different routes depended on such factors, affecting the relative difficulty or ease of reaching one port or the other.  Or those with more money or easier access to official papers would take one route and those with few means had to take another.

Just a heads up to those of you who plan programming for a JGS or research institution, that a presentation on this topic would be very welcome.  


Lee David Jaffe

Surnames / Towns:  Jaffe / Suchowola, Poland ; Stein (Sztejnsapir) / Bialystok and Rajgrod, Poland ; Joroff (Jaroff, Zarov) / Chernigov, Ukraine ; Schwartz (Schwarzman?, Schwarzstein?) / ? ;  Koshkin / Snovsk, Ukraine ; Rappoport / ? ; Braun / Wizajny, Suwalki, Poland,  Ludwinowski / Wizajny, Suwalki, Poland


Re: MyHeritage Free Access May 26- June 1 #announcements #records

Dahn Cukier

I entered my grandfathers name and his US draft card and
a separate box for his UK service with a link to UK Archive.
It seems to work fine at least for US and UK records.
Dahn Zukrowicz

Re: MyHeritage Free Access May 26- June 1 #announcements #records

Jan Meisels Allen

I tried this before I posted about it and after Madeleine's posting "I tried this link out, but it appears to be restricted to just records for those who served in the USA.  If otherwise, perhaps someone will let us know.".  

I put in the surname "Goldberg"  no first name- place Great Britain and came up with a number of selections. I use a non-subscription sign-in to try these offers and not my paid subscription sign-in to make certain those without a subscription can enter the site and there is no required credit card information. During MyHeritage's Memorial Day free access one can view the record and save or print it.  

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

New JewishGen USA Research Division Website Launched #usa

Ellen Shindelman Kowitt

The JewishGen USA Research Division (USA-RD) is a group of volunteer genealogists exploring the lives of Jews in America from 1654 to the present. With goals to educate, and to identify, index, and share Jewish historical records that have genealogical value, please check out our new website at and signup to volunteer on a project at


Ellen Shindelman Kowitt
Director, USA Research Division
Erie, Colorado

Re: Questions about DNA Sephardic vs Ashkenazi #dna #sephardic

David Levine


DNA can go back quite far. There are three types of DNA:

YDNA - males only carry this (father's father's father's etc...)
mtDNA - from mother, male and female can carry (mother's mother's mother's etc...)
Autosomal DNA - everything else - pieces of DNA you inherit randomly from your parents and ancestors. The closer you are, the more shared DNA you had, the further away the less you are.
Ashkenazi Jews are extremely endogamous so our number of Autosomal DNA is massive compared to others
On FTDNA, by looking at your Autosomal DNA (they call it Family Finder) you can clearly see if it is Ashkenazi by the people you are related to. If it is Sephardic, that will also be clear.
YDNA  and mtDNA will five you very specific readings on Ashkenazi or Sephardic. If you do the Big Y test on FTDNA, you will get extremely granular details of your Jewish DNA
You will be one of these:
Each is a founding Jewish paternal line.

Best Regards,
David Levine
San Francisco, CA, USA

Weinstein -> Solotwina, Galicia | Frisch, Hilman, Jungerman, Schindler -> Rozniatow, Galicia | Golanski, Kramerofsky/Kromerovsky -> Kiev | Lefkowitz -> Petrikov, Belarus | Shub, Rosen Hlusk, Belarus | Levine, Weiner, Zamoshkin -> Slutsk, Belarus 

Re: Travel from Shtetll to Sea Port #ukraine

Michele Lock

The other day, a person posted about the Cowen report, written by a US immigration judge who traveled to Russia in 1906 to investigate various matters pertaining to the Jewish immigration from there. The National Archives has the images of each page of the report available for viewing at:

The chapter on the immigrant travel routes begin on image 76. The chapter talks about most people holding pre-paid tickets, which means a relative in the US paid for them. My impression reading through this and other documents is that the pre-paid ship tickets included the train trip from the Russian/German border to whichever port the traveler was heading to, and that they had special immigrant trains that made certain that the travelers got to the correct port on time. It seems that immigrants had to pay for their own train tickets for travel within Russia, to get to the border crossing.

I have found the ticket purchase for my grandfather (3 year old Peisach Libman) and his mother and 5 siblings, in the Rosembaum Immigrant bank books, bought in 1907 by my great grandfather, then living in Lancaster, PA. The purchase total was $181 (about $4900 today), and they were ticketed from Libau to Liverpool to Philadelphia. There is an address for their home in Datnova (Dotnuva, Lithuania), where the tickets were sent, or I suppose delivered by an agent. 

Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus

finding record of name changes #names #records

Sheryl Stahl

I know that my family's name did not get changed at  Ellis Island. But how do I find a record of a name change in the United States (either New York City or New Haven Connecticut)




Sheryl Stahl (Los Angeles)

Suwalki (RAKOVSKI, OKRAGLINSKI,) Wizajni (RAKOVSKI) Kalvarja
Odessa (STESSEL) Pervomaysk (STESSEL)  Grzymalow (LANDAU) Kolomyya (STAHL,



Sheryl Stahl (Los Angeles)

Suwalki (RAKOVSKI, OKRAGLINSKI,) Wizajni (RAKOVSKI) Kalvarja
Odessa (STESSEL) Pervomaysk (STESSEL)  Grzymalow (LANDAU) Kolomyya (STAHL,


ViewMate translation request - Hungarian #translation


I've posted a vital record in Hungarian for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Toivy Kahan

Viewmate translation request Hebrew #translation

Melody Buckley

Dear All,

I have posted a translation request for my great grandfather, Isaac Goldberg's tombstone in Hebrew on ViewMate at the following address:

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much for your kind help.

Melody Buckley
Moskowitz (Movshovich), Mikolayevo, Belarus, Godlin, Daugvapils, Latvia, Goldberg, Lithuania, Gutman (Goodman) Raseiniai, Lithuania

Viewmate translation. Hebrew #translation


I've posted a photo of a gravestone for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

Thank you very much.
Barbara Gilmore Silver
Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA
Goldstein, Schultz, Brodetsky

A Taste of Polish Jewish Genealogy on June 6th #events #poland #announcements

Leah Kushner

Santa Cruz Jewish Genealogy Society Invites you:

A Taste of Jewish Genealogy as a Gateway to the
              Civilization of Polish Jewry

with Tomasz Cebulski Ph.D., Professional Genealogist from Krakow
Sunday, 06 June 2021 at 1pm (Pacific Time Zone)/4pm Eastern
Free for members and $5 for guests. 
     $5 for Guest Click Here

You will receive a ZOOM link the week of the event. Please check your SPAM

 Tomasz Cebulski, PhD., a professional genealogist joins us from
Krakow for this program on why, when, and how to conduct genealogical
research. Tomasz will share his favorite online resources. before
demonstrating how he combines research, maps, photography, video and
drone documentation in search of Polish Jewry. We will make a virtual
visit to Brzesko in former Galicia, once a vibrant center of Jewish

Bio:  Tomasz Cebulski Ph.D., has worked professionally as a Jewish
genealogist for over 20-years perfecting his knowledge on archival
resources in Poland and Central Europe. He is a scholar in genocide
studies and changing patterns of Holocaust and Auschwitz memory.
Tomasz is a historical memory analyst, guide and author of "Auschwitz
after Auschwitz". He is the founder of Polin Travel and Sky Heritage
​Leah Kushner, President
Santa Cruz Jewish Genealogy Society

This week's featured collections in Miriam Weiner's new Surname Database at the Routes to Roots Foundation website ( include documents from the towns of: Nikolayev, Ukraine; Krasnystaw, Poland; and Kolomiya, Ukraine #holocaust #poland #ukraine

Miriam Weiner

The Routes to Roots Foundation is offering Weekly Featured Collections from the new Surname Databases on its website at

This week, we are highlighting the following: 


  1.   Kolomiya, Ukraine – List of Surviving Jews with Addresses, 1946                               805 names
  2.   Krasnystaw, Poland

a.    List of Jewish Taxpayers, 1928                                                               558 names

b.    List of Jewish Taxpayers, 1936                                                               291 names


3.   Nikolayev, Ukraine - 

                  a.  Birth records, 1860-1920                                                                           27,498 names

                  b.  Death records, 1860-1920                                                                         16,764 names

                  c.  Marriage records, 1860-1920                                                                      5,534 names

                  d.  Notary records, 1870-1918                                                                          5,138 names

                  e.  Jewish soldiers & officers who served in the military, 1941-1944                     56 names

                  f.  List of people who saved Jews in Nikolayev Oblast, 1941-1944                       31 names

                  g. List of Jews in Nikolayev deported to Germany for work, 1941-1944              119 names

                  h.  List of Jews in the Communist Party, 1948/1980                                            169 names


Please check out:

·         The List of Collections for each country, click here (

·         Collection Description is accessible with each Search Result (and includes town images, document examples and more).


Miriam Weiner

Secaucus, NJ

Re: MyHeritage Free Access May 26- June 1 #announcements #records

Madeleine Isenberg

I tried this link out, but it appears to be restricted to just records for those who served in the USA.  If otherwise, perhaps someone will let us know.
Madeleine Isenberg
Beverly Hills, CA
Researching: GOLDMAN, STEINER, LANGER, GLÜCKSMAN, STOTTER in various parts of Galicia, Poland
(Nowy Targ, Nowy Sanz, Wachsmund, Dembno, Lapuszna, Krakow, Ochotnica) who migrated into Kezmarok or
nearby towns in northern Slovakia and Czech Republic (i.e., those who lived/had businesses in Moravska Ostrava);
GOLDSTEIN in Sena or Szina, Szkaros and Kosice, Slovakia; Tolcsva and Tokaj, Hungary.
GOLDBERG, TARNOWSKI in Chmielnik and KHANISHKEVITCH in Kielce, Poland

Re: Looking for “enfants cachés” (hidden children) in the South of France #france #holocaust

Michael Sharp

Try the OSE archives OSE : A PROFESSIONAL JEWISH ASSOCIATION - Oeuvre de secours aux enfants (
Michael Sharp
Manchester UK

Re: Travel from Shtetll to Sea Port #ukraine

Marvin Lauwasser

I have a bit of a different story on the multiple port question.
The paternal side of my family lived in a town within the Lublin district and, when my grandfather Louis found out that my uncle Dave (at age 15) was about to be conscripted into the Russian Army, they left for America.
I found their 1st manifest showing they were booked on the SS Kursk to depart 9may1911 from the port of Libau, now Liepaja, Latvia.  But their names were lined out and they did not sail.
The 2nd manifest shows they successfully sailed 6jun1911 on the SS Saxonia from (of all places!!) Trieste, Italy,   Overland..over 1100 miles from Liebau.
The rest of the family (GM, uncles, aunts, cousins) would wait out the time required to get passage money and WW1, arriving 1920-23.
So, why were my GF and uncle denied passage?  Perhaps they got into difficulties trying to leave from a port still part of the Russian Empire.  There are also blanks in the spaces designated for whom they would be joining in the US.  A month later, those spaces have scribbling that suggests an NYC destination.

Marvin Lauwasser
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Questions about DNA Sephardic vs Ashkenazi #dna #sephardic




I would like to hear the opinion of our DNA specialists in order to obtain confirmation that it would not possible to see in the DNA origins by places one line of Jewish Portuguese ancestor starting 8 generations back. If all the other ancestors are Ashkenazi it would still point out a 100 % Ashkenazi origin ?

To put the question differently up to what generation is it possible to track the various Jewish origins on FTDNA and Ancestry ?

Thanks and best regards

Joelle Meyer from Paris

Focussing for now on my Emden; Germany origins early in the 18th century probably leading to Bunde, Jemgum, and the Groningen region and leading perhaps to the Henriques family of Gluckstadt

Re: Luria Genealogy #general

David Shapiro

Thank you for a very enlightening place. However there is one point that needs clarification. You said that the that had only one son, Moshe. In 'Sefer Hagilgulim" chapter 65, Rabbi Chaim Vital, disciple of the Ari, writes that the Ari had two sons, Moshe and Shlomo. Only on Moshe does he use the past tense and write "zichrono lebrocha".

I recall reading (but don't remember the source) that one of these sons was a son in law of Rabbi Yosef Karo. If so, then he may have had offspring.

David Shapiro

Re: Looking for “enfants cachés” (hidden children) in the South of France #france #holocaust


Hello you should put a post  in english but also in french on the facebook page Association pour la Mémoire de la Shoah or  Devoir de Memoire la Shoah, pour ne pas oublier
Best regards
Catherine JUROVSKY

FamilySearch Library To Offer Library Lookup Service #announcements #records #usa

Jan Meisels Allen

With the pandemic, the FamilySearch Library in Salt Lake City, Utah has been closed, as has its regional and affiliate libraries. A new Library Lookup Service will soon provide greater access to these records globally.


You need to register for a free FamilySearch Account where you can search through their large database of records. When you open the link on the right upper side there is a sign in and a create account. To create an account you need to provide your first and last names, birth month, day and year, sex and whether you are a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.


Upon request, staff and volunteers at the library will look up specific records in their collections that cannot be viewed online. Since Library Lookup is not a research service, people will need to identify the specific record from that they need to see.


To use the Lookup service, visit the online request form ( to request a copy of the image of the original document. 


If your request is about something in a book-not all books have been digitized and copyright limitations will apply. Use the same aforementioned request form along with the title or call number of the book and the page number (s) you want copied.  The staff will send a PDF copy of the page or pages, as allowed. In cases where page numbers are unknown, staff can check the index in a book for the listing of a name or chosen term to help provide the right pages. 


After the COVID-19 restrictions are lifted and the library reopens, the Library Lookup Service will continue as part of the FamilySearch global outreach.


To read more see:


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


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