Re: Translation Request #translation

Alan Shuchat

The book is Volume II of a mahzor for the three pilgrimage holidays of Pesach, Shavuot, and Sukkot. It was published in Vilna by the Romm family in 1874 and is called Mahzor Korban Aron.

I can make out part of what's written inside, in Russian and Hebrew, and I've attached a translation.
Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka), Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

IAJGS 2021 Virtual Conference on Jewish Genealogy Early Bird Discount Expires June 10th #announcements #events #jgs-iajgs

Robinn Magid


Register for the IAJGS 2021 Virtual Conference on Jewish Genealogy!
Early Bird Discount Rate expires Thursday, June 10th.
Register at:

If you have already registered, THANK YOU!  If you have not yet registered, this is a reminder that the Early Bird Discount Rate expires on Thursday, June 10, at midnight Chicago time. To register now for the 1-5 August 2021 Conference, please go to the Conference website at Pricing and options, as well as the program and schedule, are described on the website.

This 41st International Conference on Jewish Genealogy will feature:

·  Appropriate Sessions for Beginning Genealogists and Experts of all Ages!

·  50 Live Sessions with lectures from the top Jewish and Worldwide Genealogy experts

·  Keynote Speaker: Prof. Michael Hoberman, of Fitchburg State University, speaking on “The Uniqueness of Jewish American Literature”

·  Topics Ranging from DNA to Family Artifacts, from Inherited Recipes to How to Map Your Family Travel Routes

·  Genealogy “Death Match” Game Show - wildly popular at last summer’s conference!

·  100 Additional “On Demand” lectures that are pre-recorded for your viewing convenience

·  New! Zoom Chat Rooms for networking with colleagues on shared topics (Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings) where you can see each other!

·  New! Virtual Vendor Exhibit Hall

·  New! Virtual Resource Room with Links to Special Websites

·  New “Who Wants to Be a Rothchild” Game Show from our clever and entertaining duo, Ron Arons and Jordan Auslander

Join us at this special conference! Take advantage of the Early Bird Discount and register today at

Judi Missel, Chair
IAJGS 2021 Virtual Conference on Jewish Genealogy

Robinn Magid, Accessibility Chair & FB Discussion Group Administrator,
IAJGS 2021 Virtual Conference on Jewish Genealogy
Berkeley, California

Re: Where to find Illinois Northern District Naturalization Records? #records

David Levine

Hi to close the loop on this, the full record for Municipal Court of Milwaukee are held at the below and I have ordered the record.
The Milwaukee circuit and municipal court records of 1836 to 1941 are at: 
Milwaukee County Historical Society
910 North World 3rd Street
Milwaukee, WI 53203-1591
Telephone: 414-273-8288
Fax: 414-273-3268

Thanks all

Best Regards,
David Levine
San Francisco, CA, USA
Weinstein -> Solotwina, Galicia | Frisch, Hilman, Jungerman, Schindler -> Rozniatow, Galicia | Golanski, Kramerofsky/Kromerovsky -> Kiev | Lefkowitz -> Petrikov, Belarus | Shub, Rosen Hlusk, Belarus | Levine, Weiner, Zamoshkin -> Slutsk, Belarus 

Researching an Ontario adoption (pre-1921) #canada

Adam Turner

Does anyone have experience researching children who were adopted in Ontario prior to the passage of the Ontario Adoption Act in 1921?

I am researching some probable cousins I came across via DNA matching. Their grandmother's probable marriage record, from 1932 in Toronto, lists the following for her parents:

Bride's father: "Children's Aid baby [illegible]"
Bride's mother: [the likely name of a woman in my family - though it's hard to be certain because many in this family radically changed their surname around this time]

My probable cousins' grandmother was likely born in the Toronto area in 1913 or 1914. So what I think likely happened was that their biological great-grandmother, a cousin in my family, had a baby out-of-wedlock with a Gentile and gave her up for adoption. If my hunch is correct, their grandmother (who died in 1977) would have been a second cousin of my great-grandmother.

How difficult would it be for me to get more information on their grandmother's birth and subsequent adoption? According to FamilySearch,
Until the Ontario Adoption Act (8 April 1921), guardianships (child custody without the right of inheritance) were granted through the Surrogate Court. Guardianship actions are recorded in the court indexes and registers, and later for some Counties, in separate Guardianship Books. These books may be at the Surrogate Court offices. Contact the local government office to get the location.
I am not in Canada, so I won't likely be able to visit the relevant Surrogate Court office to go digging through their guardianship records anytime soon. Is there any other resource that would allow non-direct-line relatives to research these cases from 100+ years ago?

Adam Turner

Re: Skerniewitz-Rawa association #unitedkingdom #poland #general


Hi Richard, There were also notes taken at the NY and Tel Aviv meetings. They all maintained some type of relationship; Tel Aviv, London and NY. There is an elderly gentleman in England that might be of some help; Aubrey Jacobus. I believe I have his email address if you want it.   Frayda Zelman, NY.

Family Tree of the Jewish People - Code #general

Mary Henderson

Hi, all!

On the Family Tree of the Jewish People match page does the number
under the Code column correspond with the Research JGID code in the
JewishGen Family Finder?

Thank you!

Mary Henderson

Re: Where to find Illinois Northern District Naturalization Records? #records


You will have better luck contacting the National Archives Branch in Chicago.
 Address. 7358 South Pulaski Road Chicago, IL 60629-5898
Phone(773) 948-9000
  • Monday - Friday
    9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m.
  • Closed weekends and Federal holidays.
  • Our E-mail address depends on the service you need.
  • Please note that, due to the COVID-19 pandemic, many staff are currently teleworking. Email is the best way to contact our staff.

Good Luck with your search!
Maryellen Tobiasiewicz
family from: Bielsko-Biala powiat Poland
Gorlice powiat Poland
Lviv Oblast Ukraine

Re: Cowen report (was Travel from Shtetll to Sea Port) #general

Alan Banov

Here's how my family went from their shtetl to Hamburg and then S.C.:
             My grandfather (born Leizer Banovitch) and his family lived in Kopcheve, Suwalki Gubernia (now Kapciamiestis, Lithuania).  My great grandfather Alexander immigrated to South Carolina in 1889.  He “sent” for his family in stages.  My grandfather, great grandmother Sonia, great aunt Rachel (Raye), and great uncle David followed in July 1895, when Leizer (later Leon Banov) was seven years old.

According to David Banov’s oral history, the four of them traveled from Kopcheve in a covered wagon for about thirty or forty miles, until night, when they stopped in Sejny with a relative. Later they went to Suwalki, the provincial capital, where they stayed for about ten days with Sonia’s brother Leon Danilovicz.

Leon, a prominent attorney, had a lot of influence, so he was able to take Sonia and Raye in a carriage and drove them over the border into Germany.  However, to avoid the Czar’s soldiers, David and Leizer had to sneak across the border.  They could not do that without help, so Uncle Leon Danilovicz arranged with a professional smuggler to take them across the border, probably for a sizable fee.  David and Leizer were taken to a house a mile or so from the border, where they were to spend the night.  They slept on straw in a barn in complete darkness and were told not to take their clothes off and to be ready when called in the morning.  They had no belongings of any kind; Sonia had taken everything along in her carriage.  Finally, about 5:00 in the morning, in pitch dark, the smuggler woke the boys up and told them to get up and follow him.  They followed the smuggler until they reached a point where they had to run.  The boys ran as fast as they could.  Leizer experienced difficulty.  The smuggler (aka “guide”), who had long legs, ran faster than the boys and kept on urging them to run faster and still faster.  When he said, “Run,” the boys ran.  David was almost completely exhausted, and Leizer reached the point where he could not go any further.  At the insistence of the smuggler, David picked up Leizer and put him on his shoulders and carried him for some distance, thus enabling him to rest a bit and recover from his exhaustion.  David later put him down, and they ran, and they walked.  David was about ready to give up when all of a sudden, they saw a village with a few lights.  (It was not long after 5 a.m. and there was just a little bit of light in the sky.)  They could see ahead of them a farmhouse.  As they approached, they noticed that the houses had beautiful tiled roofs.  They had never seen such houses before.  Pretty soon they saw cobble-stoned streets with beautiful houses.  Leizer was so tired that he lay down on the grass along the side of the road to rest a while. 

Apparently for his own safety, the guide tried not to be close to them.  After Leizer got up, the guide came near the boys and began walking with them.  He took them to a house that he pointed to and told them to go inside.  There they saw their mother, sister Raye, and Uncle Leon Danilovicz.  They slept in that house overnight.  The next day they put all their belongings in a carriage and went to the railroad station.  They had never seen a train before.  The woman who boarded them told them this was an eisenbohn, an iron horse.  As they waited outside the station, they saw this “iron monster” coming down the track, pulling many cars.  When the train reached the station, it came to a halt.  They boarded the train and, according to David, they were on the train a long time.  They spent the time dozing, sleeping, and looking at the scenery.  The train stopped in Hamburg.

In Hamburg Sonia arranged for a carriage to take them to a bunkhouse near the docks, where they were to board a steamer operated by the Hamburg-American Line. The place was fenced in with a sort of barbed wire extending high up.  They entered through a gate.  They were escorted to their sleeping quarters, which were arranged like barracks, with three tiers of bunks.  Sonia and Raye occupied one bunk while Leizer and David shared another one.  The third bunk was taken by a young man who came from Kopcheve and had been waiting for the ship for several days.  The Banovitches also had to wait 4 or 5 days for the ship.  Most of the people waiting for the ship were Jews from Poland.  Some were not Jewish.  Sonia spoke to them in Polish.  David could not speak Polish, but Raye knew a lot of Polish words and expressions.

Their ship was a steamship called The Palatia.  The ship also had sails.  They had to take a smaller boat to reach the steamship.  The Palatia left Hamburg on July 21, 1895; it arrived at Ellis Island on August 1, 1895.  The same afternoon, after receiving some refreshments from friends, they took another ship to Charleston, SC, where they settled.

Alan Banov
Kensington, MD

Re: Getting Jewish Matriculation (Judenmatrikel) records for Upper Franconia #germany #records

Mike Daren

Can you give me any guidance about making research requests to the Society?  Like what kind of information they can find, what kind of information would it be good for me to tell them to help them find the information?

I have four generations of relatives who lived in Nuremberg, and many who lived in Hagenbach in Pretzfeld, and some who lived in Huttenbach in Simmelsdorf, those two towns are 30-35 miles NNE and NE of Nuremberg, both in Upper Franconia also I think.  I could make a list of relatives, what I know of their birth and death dates and places, and where they lived in Germany.  For quite a few, if they emigrated from Germany I know when and to where, and a number I know they didn't leave Germany, etc.  Thanks!

On Sun, May 9, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Andreas Schwab via wrote:
To get the DVD from the Society for Family History in Franconia or for any other request, consult the following page:
You can use Paypal to send them money or if you want to use a money transfer service, their IBAN number is also on this page.  
You can also make a research request to the Society. I made one once and I got more material that I had asked for. Don't be shy in corresponding in English, English is taught in all German schools and most German have a working knowledge of Englsh.
Andreas Schwab, Montreal, Canada Society for Family History in Franconia e. V International Bank Account Number

  Mike Daren

Re: Index of Holocaust testimonies #holocaust


There are also Shoah recordings at Yale University.
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Re: Finding Marriage Record from Ukraine and Finding Their Parents Given Names #ukraine #general

Sherri Bobish


A phonetic surname search for TCHERNY at:

finds records for people in Belaya Tserkov with surname spelled CHERNYI.

Have you seen this?

Best regards,

Sherri Bobish

Re: Mystery man in London, 1905: Isidor Lasker #unitedkingdom #general

S. Silberg

I  just checked the South Africa Jewish Rootsbank. It a genealogy site about South African Immigration and Genealogy.

It may be a long shot - I typed in Lasker into the general search.
There are a few entries about an Isadore Lasker who appears to have lived and married in Barberton in1890 and also an entry about a death in Durban in 1928.

Here is the link

A quick search of the South African National Archives shows an Isador Lasker applying for Naturalization in 1906!

There may be other entries if you take time to search. This may or may not be the same person but it is tantalizing!

By the way, Barberton in South Africa is a gold mining town.

Happy hunting

Sheryl Silberg
Florida, USA

Re: Where to find Illinois Northern District Naturalization Records? #records

Sherri Bobish


For Milwaukee naturalizations try:

"The time period of Milwaukee County naturalization records are from 1836 to May 1941"

There is a form to request a search for the record (it is not free.)

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

Cyrillic Characters are easier to read than you might think #general

David Harrison

Dear all, especially Michelle and Mike
Let us get down to basics, Cyrillic was a letter system devised by an Orthodox Christian monk now known as Saint Cyrill in order to translate the Bible into a written form in Russia.. The characters are simple and most of them are Greek, whilst of the few that are not, because they represent sounds not used in Greek are mainly Hebrew (because he knew those two alphabets). If you did high school Mathematics or Physics you should know the sounds of these letters and a very meagre knowledge of Hebrew gives you the rest, hence printed Russian is quite easy to read, particularly because many modern words are transliterations from English or French,  This works in Russian and Ukranian enough to understand much in a museum or on a statue.  It is reading the script which is the problem as it is also with Hebrew, Yiddish or Ladino.  Therefore Russian was a language which I as an Engineer found easter to start than friends with better French, German, Italian or Spanish than me. I found no problem trying to read the Russian Menu in amongst the English, French and German in a Prague restaurant a year or so before going to Russia.
David Harrison
Birmingham, England

Cyrillic is not a language, but a writing system, upon which Russian, Ukrainian, Serb, and other alphabets are based.  Just like this text is based on a Latin writing system, upon which many alphabets, including English are based.  However, unlike the Latin language, there was never a Cyrillic language.  The official language of the Russian empire was Russian, so the records were recorded in that language.

Mike Vayser

Re: Szlachta Holdings in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth #lithuania #poland

Simon Zelman

Thank you so much to you both, I greatly appreciate the help! Has anyone been successful in finding the magnate records for their families? Would you have any recommendations on the types of records to look for and what those records might contain? I.e. do they list out all of the individuals (females included?) that lived/worked on their estates or is it typically just the name of the leaseholder that's included? It seems like it's quite a bit of work to get to the records themselves (sounds like one needs to either travel to the archive or hire a researcher) so I'm just wondering if the information included in those records would be worth the work.

Simon Zelman
San Francisco, CA

Re: passenger record number from "United States Russians to America Index, 1834-1897," #records

Sherri Bobish


What year did your passenger arrive?  What port did they enter?
If it was NY than search the passenger's name at Steve Morse's site:

For searching all years from 1820 to 1957:

Let us know if you find their manifest.


Sherri Bobish

RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala, Lith.)
WALTZMAN / FRIEDES (Ustrzyki Dolne, Pol.)
BOJDA / BERGER (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD (Daliowa, Pol.)
BOBISH / APPEL (Odessa ?)
SAKOLSKY, (Grodek / Bialystok)

Breman Museum Oral Histories Now on JewishGen #usa

Ellen Shindelman Kowitt

The JewishGen USA Research Division is happy to announce a new index to over 1000 oral histories from the Atlanta-based Breman Museum. An overview about this collection is available at

The creation of indexes to other oral history collections are welcome and would be added to JewishGen.

Please also take a peak at the new USA Research Division website where there are many useful resources for researching Jewish records in America.
Ellen Shindelman Kowitt
Director, US Research Division

Family Tree Magazine Has Come Out With its 2021 Best Websites #announcements #general

Jan Meisels Allen



FamilyTree Magazine has released its list of best websites for 2021.


The best “big” genealogy websites are:  The $ means they require a subscription or other payment.  The * means new to the list this year.

Ancestry $
Findmypast $ * $
HeritageQuest Online
Internet Archive
MyHeritage $

To see their other lists of best family tree and sharing websites, Best US Genealogy Websites, Best Genealogy News Websites and Blogs, Best Genealogy Tech Tools, Best Genetic Genealogy Websites, Best Cemetery Websites, Best European Genealogy Websites, Best UK, Irish and Commonwealth Websites and more go to:


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Looking for Great Uncle in France #france

Linda Habenstreit

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:26 AM, Beth Erez wrote:
I have looked at Filae for you and there is an Eduard Illis listed there but the information is only available to paying subscribers.  I have used this database in the past and they allow you to pay for only one month.  That will open this up to you for you to see if it is the Eduard you are looking for.  

Beth Krevitt Erez
Hod Hasharon, Israel

 Search the Fonds de Moscou for your great uncle’s name. The French kept records on foreigners, Jews, anarchists, etc., living/working in their country. The records were digitized by the French National Archives and are searchable.

I found out what happened to my grand-uncle with the help of a French researcher who searched the Fonds de Moscou for me.

If you need help searching the Fonds or other repositories, I can provide you with the name of the researcher I hired.

Linda Habenstreit 

Skerniewitz-Rawa association #unitedkingdom #poland #general

Stanley Diamond

While there are indices to all the surviving 1926 to 1903 Skierniewice records online in the
JRI-Poland database at:
JRI-Poland has recently created full extracts of the 1868 to 1917 records.  The latter are not
online as funds are still being raised to support the work on this project.  As with all Jewish
records of Poland, for more information, write to [townname]  In this case,
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.  (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.

Re: Skerniewitz-Rawa association #unitedkingdom #poland #general
From: richard_beach@...
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2021 04:50:20 EDT

Hi Jeremy,

My family are from Rawa - my g-grandfather was Chaim Myer Przybysz from Rawa Mazowiecka, who married Freda Weinberg from Skiernewice. His eldest son Idel (born to him and Freda's older sister Gitel - a long story!) moved to London in 1906 and changed his name to Judah Beach (my great uncle). He was a major player in the association and I have found this article from the Jewish Chronicle in 1957 about a dinner which gives some further detail (and a very grainy picture). Maybe this was the occasion when your grandparents received their radio?

I did look into whether the records are kept anywhere but I don't think I found anything. Nevertheless I'll look again when I have a moment - and I'm happy to share any thoughts/resources on researching these two towns.

Best regards,

Richard Beach
Borehamwood, Herts UK

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