Horodenka marriage record 1937, clarification sought #poland #records


One of the recently released Przemyśl books, Horodenka marriages index 1932-1940, solved my biggest problem: The registered surname of my great grandmother (Fenster) and her date of civil marriage (1937).

I would like to see the complete record if one is available, but I am not sure the best way. I have two potential sources for a Horodenka marriage in 1937:
1) On Familysearch, Volume 701-1/31 Birth, marriage, and death extracts 1922-1939 (Film 2405315, Item 8)
2) The physical USC Office in Warsaw, Marriages 1937-1940, fond 1028

The film on familysearch is a jumble of handwritten notes, and mostly births. I did not have success with it. Will the USC office have different records? Will the information in the index book be of use to them, and what does "new information" mean with regard to this book? Will I have access to a marriage record from 1937? Is the office operational? Before I attempt to contact Warsaw, these are my questions.

Any advice is appreciated, and thanks very much to the Przemyśl project volunteers.

Sabrina Bonus
Seattle WA USA

Re: Hebrew translation on gravestone #translation


Good afternoon,
Here lies or here is buried (abbreviation on top)
Chaim son of Israel Moshe
Passed 20 Iyar 5706
May his soul be gathered in eternal life (abbreviation - last line)
Shalom, Malka Chosnek

This Sunday, June 13, 2 pm - JGSNY: Scandals, Shandehs and Lies #announcements

Phyllis Rosner

Jewish Genealogical Society NY Meeting
Sunday June 13, 2021 at 2 p.m. EDT
Zoom Webinar

Scandals, Shandehs and Lies: The Stories Families Don't Tell

Speaker: Renee Steinig

In the course of decades of genealogical research Renee Steinig has uncovered many a "skeleton in the closet" — cases of mental illness, illegitimate birth, infidelity, abandonment, and even murder, all hushed up for decades. A Viennese refugee whose baby was born in a New York State psychiatric hospital; a suburban businessman who led two lives; a Romanian immigrant hanged — or so his family thought — for "stealing horses"; a Jewish GI's love affair in Belgium during World War II; a young woman who married, had a baby, then vanished... Renee will talk to us about these family secrets, the research tools that uncovered them and the reunions and reconciliations that followed many of her discoveries.        

Renee Steinig began to do genealogical research in the 1970s, inspired by a cousin who made it look easy. Many family trees and some 18 years later, she began to accept client work. Her specialties include New York research, locating lost family, and due diligence for probate cases. She is member of the Association of Professional Genealogists and has testified as an expert witness in several New York City Surrogate's Courts. A past president and longtime trustee of the JGS of Long Island, Renee is also a director of Gesher Galicia and its discussion group moderator and Family Finder editor.    

All are welcome; attendance is free, but registration is required:

Click here to register at our website

Submitted by:
Phyllis Rosner
JGSNY VP Communications
New York, NY

Re: Trying to find the connection and solve a mystery #belarus

Diane Jacobs

I certainly agree with Sherri. I just found 2 brothers in Lithuania who have 4 children with the same first names.  And in my own family 2 brothers named their sons after my grandfather David. If I had been a male I also would have been David instead of Diane named by my father the third brother.

Diane Jacobs

On Jun 9, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Sherri Bobish <sherribob@...> wrote:


I don't have a specific answer, but I will say that the odds of two people, even in a small shtetl, having the same name, and living there at the same time, is absolutely possible.

For instance, they could be sons of two brothers, and each brother named their child after the same ancestor.  Hence, two cousins share the same name.

Just a thought,

Sherri Bobish

Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: Hebrew translation on gravestone #translation

Moses Jefferson

Mr. Passman,
Here’s a translation per line,

1. Here lies
2. Chaim son of R’ Yisroel Moshe
3. Died the 20th of Iyar [5]706
4. May his soul be bound up in the bond of life

Moses Jefferson
Genealogist & Researcher of Jewish History
London, UK

Re: Update on Galician records available from JRI-Poland / Przemysl Identification Project completed #galicia

Gesher Galicia SIG

I am writing to clarify Stanley Diamond's message relating to the
Przemysl Identification Project. We would like to assure our members
who worked so hard on the Przemysl Identification Project for so long
(including some Gesher Galicia members who also happen to be Town
Leaders or Board members of JRI-Poland) that their work was valuable
and unique and that, among other findings, there is much indeed new
information that has been uncovered, which will be of great benefit to

In announcing the results of our 18-month long project we stated that
about a third of the index books whose towns we identified contained
"new information" in some sort of way. New information, though, could
occur in one of two ways, which is something that already is mentioned
in our notice about the project on our website, and which I discuss in
more detail in an article in the June 2021 issue of the "Galitzianer",
due out next week.

Almost half of the books from the ID Project with some sort of new
information are new in the sense that the original vital record
registers (of births, deaths or marriages) have been lost - for good.
There are no other extracts or indexes available of them. The
information in these index books whether from eastern or western
Galicia is new - period. Examples of such completely new information
in the index books we identified are:
- three birth index books from Drohobycz covering the period 1870-1874.
- Jaworow marriage index book 1859-1876
- Nadworna marriage index book 1877-1907
- Nowy Sacz birth index book 1893
- Skalat birth index book 1877-1858
- Skole death index book 1873
- Tarnopol death index book 1893.

Two towns, Dobrotwor and Lutowiska, for which no vital records at all
were previously known to exist, each have two index books for the town
that were identified in the Przemysl ID Project.

The other type of new information arises when an index book contains
records for which the corresponding original full register exists but
is not yet available. This applies largely to birth records, where the
original register is still kept at the Civil Registration Office (USC)
in Warsaw (for eastern Galician towns), or in a USC in southeastern
Poland (for western Galician towns). In such cases, the original birth
register - if indeed it exists - will be publicly released eventually,
though this may not be for another 20 or more years.

Mr Diamond's message has puzzled some of our members, who have already
written to us in some confusion over it. We are explaining Mr
Diamond's message to them as follows. JRI-Poland holds extracts of
some of these birth registers - from western Galician towns and less
than 100 years old - that are currently held in a USC in southeastern
Poland. JRI-Poland obtained these extracts from particular USCs
through JRI-Poland’s Genetic Research Project. People can inquire to
JRI-Poland about these scans of records from USC offices, and obtain
spreadsheets showing the records from a specific register for a given
surname - if such a surname exists in the register. This useful
process has existed for many years and does not apply to records held
at the USC in Warsaw, which holds books from eastern Galicia.

The other part of Mr Diamond's message refers to full books of vital
records from eastern Galicia that are publicly accessible. Although he
doesn't give the source, these are presumably books held at AGAD in
Fond 300, whose scans are freely viewable on the AGAD website and the
Polish State Archives' website, and with links to them from the Gesher
Galicia website.

It is good to know, therefore, that so many more books from AGAD Fond
300 have been indexed. It would be helpful for all researchers if
their indexes could be added to the JRI-Poland website. It is not
clear, though, why their indexing has to be publicized just now in
connection with the quite unrelated Przemysl Identification Project.
Gesher Galicia also regularly indexes many full vital records from
both eastern and western Galicia, and as soon as a book is indexed the
full results are uploaded to the All Galicia Database for all
researchers freely to view.

Tony Kahane
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
Przemysl ID Project:

Send all inquiries to info@...

Translation from Polish #translation

Deborah Friedman

I found these pages that describe my ancestral town of Kopaigorod in the book called " Geographical dictionary of the Kingdom of Poland and other Slavic countries".  I have attached two screen shots of the entry I need translated: Kopajgrod.  

Thank you

Deborah Friedman

Walnut Creek, CA




FW: Visits to concentration camps #general

Molly Staub



A great many people knew of the Holocaust long before "Schindler's List" came out in 1993. Perhaps not everyone was as involved as my liberal family and neighbors; however, First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt  advocated for those Jews fleeing the intolerable actions, and donated money, as early as 1939. It was not a secret. And Great Britain's Quakers helped those Jews starting in 1939; they later received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1947 for that. Not being aware reminds me of a time last year when a college-educated, successful woman said. "Gee. I never knew African Americans were treated badly."


Molly Arost Staub


Boca Raton, FL

Re: Hebrew translation on gravestone #translation

Dubin, David M. MD

H(ere) L(ies)
Chayim son of Yisrael Moshe
Di(ed) 20 Iyar (5)606
(then the boilerplate abbreviation) May his soul be bound in the bonds of (everlasting) life

David Dubin
Teaneck, NJ

ViewMate translation request - Russian #translation


I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much

Jay Filan

OCJGS is having GIl Bardige this Sunday at 10:00 am on Zoom #announcements #jgs-iajgs

Michelle Sandler

The Orange County California Jewish Genealogy Society is having Gil
Bardige speak on How to Deal with your DNA test results. The meeting
will be this Sunday at 10:00 am Pacific Time on Zoom. To register go
to Members are free and we charge $5 payable on our
website for nonmembers. Registration is required to log on to the

Michelle Sandler
Vice President of Programming
Westminster California

Re: Searching for Yakov Kotlan from Ozorków, Poland - translation required #translation #yizkorbooks #poland

Sherri Bobish

A soundex search finds several people with surname spelled Kotland
from Ozorków that are listed in:

Poland, Łódź Ghetto Transportation Lists, 1939-1944 (USHMM)

Łódź, Poland, Vital Records of Jews in the Łódź Ghetto, 1939-1944 (USHMM)

Łódż, Poland, Ghetto Hospital Death Records, 1941-1944

I did not look at every record, but at least one gives their father's name as Alter.

Thank you for your work in remembering each person.

Sherri Bobish

Re: Trying to find the connection and solve a mystery #belarus

Sherri Bobish


I don't have a specific answer, but I will say that the odds of two people, even in a small shtetl, having the same name, and living there at the same time, is absolutely possible.

For instance, they could be sons of two brothers, and each brother named their child after the same ancestor.  Hence, two cousins share the same name.

Just a thought,

Sherri Bobish

Hebrew translation on gravestone #translation



I would greatly appreciate if someone would translate the inscription on Charles Greenwald's grave monument.

Thank you and kind regards,
David Passman
Dallas, Texas

Yad Vashem Virtual Tour June 13, 2021 #announcements #israel

Jan Meisels Allen


Yad Vashem is offering a free virtual tour of the Holocaust History Museum on Sunday June 13, 2021 at  1:00 PM Jerusalem; 11:00AM UK,  6:00AM Eastern time 3:00 AM June 12 Pacific Time. Check with

For your local time.


Registration is required. Go to:



Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee



Schwarzstein from Antwerp #ukraine

Diego Schvarzstein

Hello, I am researching my Schwarzstein family in Antwerp.
I know that an entire family was assassinated in Auschwitz Marcus Laub,
his wife Pauline Schwarzstein and two sons.
Jonas Schwarzstein and his wife Feiga Semenovsky were also deported and
I know that their daughter Regina, born in Antwerp 01/09/1912 survived,
Soon after the war she widowed from Felix Chilcrot. I cannot trace the
other son and brother to Regina: Victor Schwarzstein born 28/08/1908 in
Odessa and resident in Antwerp.

If any of you find any leads, please reply.

Diego Schvarzstein

Researching SCHWARZSTEIN from Lyubar, Polonnoye (Ukraine) Antwerp
(Belgium), Geneve (Switzerland)
KAPLUN Polonnoye Ukraine
KANTOR Polonnoye Ukraine
DOBRIK Antwerp, Geneve, Warsaw
Diego Schvarzstein
Reserching Schvarzstein from Polonne and Lyubar, Fainsod from Bialystok

Offering Montefiore Cemetery photos (Queens, NY) #usa #photographs

A. E. Jordan

I am thinking I might tackle Montefiore Cemetery in Springfield Gardens, Queens, NY as my next cemetery visit for 2021. 
Process I follow is fairly simple in offering to take photos for people.
You ID the grave from the cemetery's online database and send me the details. I take a photo and email it to you and in turn I appreciate a few dollars to help defer the expense of doing this for everyone, ie gasoline money.
I am happy to help out where I can, but please don't send me a generic name and ask me to find the person at the cemetery and please don't send me around the cemetery to find the 20 people named Jack Cohen because one of them might possibly be your long lost cousin. The cemetery is massive and a few people have asked me to do that and it is a very slow process that takes a lot of time and gasoline, etc.

Also if you are asking for an infant or child's grave please tell me. They are mostly in separate areas of the plots and a lot of those graves do not have markers.
Montefiore has am online database. It is better if you search the name on the Montefiore database versus the commercial Find a Grave because the position information and data is better at the cemetery's page.
Feel free to ask me questions via email and ask about other NYC area cemeteries because I will visit most of them as the summer progresses. There's a few I do not go to because of distance or safety issues.
Please respect the discussion group and send your specific requests to me privately by replying to this email or my email address aejordan at aol dot com.
Allan Jordan
New York


Re: Finding descendants of relatives who died in the Holocaust #holocaust


I found descendants of a Holocaust survivor from my husband’s family after discovering Pages of Testimony. The survivor filled out the pages in 1957 and gave a Tel Aviv address. I knew my Hebrew probably wasn’t good enough for a search so I asked for assistance on the Facebook group Jewish Genealogy Portal. I also had the US Holocaust Museum do a search and used the Arolsen Archives and the JDC website to find anything after 1957. I had no idea if there were descendants or if I would just find a headstone. The Arolsen site provided me with his wartime internments. The Holocaust Museum also added to his wartime experience but didn’t get me past 1957. Some angels on the Facebook group were able to find the descendants! It turned out the survivor had remarried and moved to the US in 1958. We’re now in contact with the survivors. With a last address in 2014 you may not have to go through that many steps. The genealogy community is very generous and I suggest you turn to them.  Good luck to you!

Sharon Fleitman
Atlanta,  Georgia

Searching for Great Aunts #belarus #general

Stephen Cohen

My GF's four sisters , Anna, Mary ,Becky and Julie all arrived in New York at the end of the 1800's from Grodno. Their respective husbands were: Weinberg, Levine, Miller and Simmons.

I have not been able to find any further details. 

Does anybody find this information familiar?

Stephen Cohen
MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately with family information

Re: Finding descendants of relatives who died in the Holocaust #holocaust


Israel tel directory:
it's in Hebrew.  enter name (can do in English) and town.  results are in Hebrew.  
Relly Coleman

3301 - 3320 of 662814