Tried Everything and Hit a Wall Looking for Grandfather's Naturalization Petition and Ship Manifest Records #records #ukraine #usa


I have "hit the wall" and would appreciate any help you can provide in my search for the immigration record (ship manifest) and naturalization petition for my grandfather, Harry KRAMER.

Harry cited his birth date as April 9, 1896. He was born in Kiev into a family with the surname GOLANSKI, but he changed his surname in the US to Kramer, as his mother’s Kramer family was well established in the US. I do not know for certain what his Hebrew/Yiddish name was, but it was listed as Isaac on my mother's ketubah. To the best of my knowledge, he was always known as Harry Kramer in the US. I do not know what name he may have sailed under. Likely options for first names are Harry, Hirsch, Zvi, and Isaac, with spelling variants. Options for surnames are GOLANSKY, GALINSKY, KRAMER, and KRAMEROFSKY.


I have searched numerous databases in numerous ways (Ancestry, Steve Morse’s, Family Search, My Heritage) under all of these possible names, but have been unable to obtain his ship manifest record or naturalization petition. Harry's July 16, 1918 Declaration of Intention, filed in the Kings County Court, states that he sailed from Antwerp to New York on the Kroonland, arriving on December 20, 1911. Harry initially worked as a varnisher at his uncle’s furniture factory, but by 1918 reported that he was a butcher, his ultimate profession (See screenshots below of the Declaration).


I reviewed every page of the ship manifest of the Kroonland arriving on December 21, 1911, including names not even remotely similar to his, but none of the entries seem to show similar relations in the US or Russia. I also reviewed all records of ships sailing from Antwerp in 1911 and all sailings of the Kroonland in a several-year period but could not identify him. We believe he would likely have been going to one of his maternal Kramer uncles, Borice, Harry, or David Kramer, all in Brooklyn.


I suspect, but am not certain, that Harry may have naturalized while serving in WWI. He was inducted on August 5, 1918 (just 2 weeks after the date of his Declaration), then served at Camp Greenleaf until October 7, 1918 and Camp Joseph E Johnston until approximately November 12, 1918 before shipping out overseas. He served overseas from November 12, 1918 to August 26, 1919 and was discharged on September 3, 1919. I reviewed WWI military petitions available through FamilySearch and Ancestry, and paged through records of military naturalizations in the District Courts overseeing these bases during the dates he was stationed there, with no luck.


After the war, Harry lived in Boston from 1920-1923 before ultimately returning to Brooklyn, so I also looked for naturalization records there. I found records of another Harry Kramer naturalizing in Boston during that time frame, but it’s not my Harry.

Harry appears on the 1924 NYC Voter List, so it seems highly likely that he was naturalized by then.

Any advice you can provide on finding one or both of these records would be most appreciated!

Mark Kramer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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The Brooklyn naturalization database shows that he submitted his Declaration to that court, but not his petition. See screenshot.

Re: Help with spelling of a name #names

Sherri Bobish


Was there an address for Seidel Stadlen on the manifest?  If so, try searching the address in the keyword box at
You may find him listed with a different first name and/or different spelling of surname in an old Lynn city directory from 1907 time frame.

What town did the person going to
Seidel Stadlen come from?  Try searching, also at Ancestry, for anyone with surname STADLEN born in that town.  You may find Soc. Sec. application, draft card, naturalization, etc.
If you do not have an Ancestry subscription, check if your local library does.  Ancestry has been allowing remote access to library patrons since Covid.

You can also search passenger manifests for
Stadlen coming from that town.

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish

Re: Searching for information Zlotchover and Blechner Families from Cernicvic and Skora and Winstein from Poland (Ozno) or Ukraine #poland #ukraine

Sherri Bobish


Don't worry!  Since you know what towns they came from than you already know more than many of us researchers knew when we began our searches.

Cernicvic may be today called:
Chernivtsi [Ukr], Chernevtsy [Rus], Kleyn-Tshernevits [Yid], Czerniejowce [Pol], Chernivitz, Cernivci, Cernevţi, Chernevtsi, Tschernewzi, Çernivtsi

Region: Podolia

Skora may be:
Skvira [Rus, Yid], Skvyra [Ukr], Skwira [Pol], Square, Skver, Skvere

Region: Kiev
Ozno may be:
Ośno Lubuskie [Pol], Drossen [Ger], Drossen Stadt, Ośno

Region: Prussia

These are the closest soundex matches found at:

You can search yourself for the towns at the above site.  You may find something that makes more sense to you.

You can search for records from these towns in the appropriate country databases at:

I suggest doing phonetic or soundex searches on names as they get spelled in various ways in the records.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

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Re: Researching cremations #general


I found a double headstone for my great grand father's wife, who died in the 1930's, in Oakland California, but he was missing.  I found out through research that he died in the 1980's.  I ordered his death certificate and found the cemetery that handled his remains and called them to find out where he remains.  They told me he is in their cremation storage area.  Apparently he made the final resting place decision himself.  But I wondered why he did not just use the burial plot next to his wife.  Someone suggested to me that there might not have been anyone to mourn him in California, since his remaining family were on the East Coast. 

Marlise Gross
Cherry Hill, New Jersey

Kouff (Krakowsky) from Zhashkiv, Kiev, Ukraine

Street Map for Munkacs (Mukachevo) in the early 1900s #hungary #subcarpathia

Susan H. Sachs

Several households in my extended family lived along Czikoli street in Munkacs in the early 1900s.  Does anybody know what that street is called today?  Or where might it appear in a street map of the town?

Thanks in advance,
Susan H. Sachs, Israel

Munkacs:  Hershkovics, Klein, Fried
Barkaso:  Klein, Kron
Gulacs:  Weiss
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Re: Podhorini a village near Munkach Hungary #hungary #general

Ludwig Mauskopf

Podhoriani (in Hungarian Podhering) now is part of Mukachevo.

Valdemarpils and Talsi sites online #courland #latvia


My updated sites for Talsi/Talsen and Valdemarpils/Sassmacken, Latvia, are now up and running. 


Talsi -

Valdemarpils -


You’ll notice they are both part of “My Courland Towns.”  There is significant Courland info to be found there as well. 


Comments and contributions are welcome!  Please spread the word.



Betsy Thal Gephart


Re: Questions About Given Name and Candle Tax #poland


I would suggest that Nuko might be a version of the Hebrew name Nachum (sometimes Nuchum). There are also related names like Nachman and Menachem. The root of all these names means comfort in Hebrew. If I'm right then the name Nuko was more of a nickname or Polish name but a formal Hebrew name like Nachum would have been used on a gravestone etc.
Binyamin Kerman
Baltimore MD

SPIELER Lodz, Zloczew, Belchatow

Re: looking for birth place of Phillip and Rachel Davis born in Poland . #poland #unitedkingdom #general

Jill Whitehead

If any of this family naturalized in the UK, the place of origin would be on the naturalization certificate.   These are available on the Ancestry website for the period 1870 to 1916, I think.  The summaries (without the detail)  can also be found in the pages of the London Gazette for the years concerned.

Jill Whitehead

Re: Researching cremations #general


Your question prompted me to look on JOWB for a cousin who requested to be cremated here in Australia 20 years ago,
The Melbourne Chevra Kadisha doesn't specify that he was cremated, but lists him under a generic category "Cremations, Interstate, Overseas and Other".


They also list a plot:  Unknown C, Row A, Plot 206, 1. I presume they have an unmarked grave where ashes can be interned.  


Stephen Schmideg
Melbourne, Australia

Re: Szymaki, Poland #poland

Frank Szmulowicz

Szymaki is 60 km by road northeast of Bialystok. Szymki is 48 km by road southeast of Bialystok.
Frank Szmulowicz

Re: Researching cremations #general

David Harrison

Cremations are quite common amongst my family (all Jewish) and within the congregation within which I worship with services by our Rabbi.  Many ashes have been spread in different places, possibly with no record, others recorded in books of remembrance in civil Cemetry grounds.  But starting with my father in 1952, his ashes are under a rose bush in a rose garden within a Jewish Cemetry in London (close by is another bush with the ashes of another branch of our family), followed by those of my mother and my first wife, the family brass plate shows all those names and dates, it will be modified for me.  They are among several hundreds in that rose garden.  I hope that this might help members to widen their searches beyond the bound of the strict orthodox members of our widespread faith.
David Harrison
Birmingham, England

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Subject: [] Researching cremations #general
Hi all:

Cremation is an option that secular families occasionally choose now-a-days. 
I know of a couple, who were holocaust survivors. They both requested to be cremated.
I do wonder if cremations of Jews are recorded on sites at all. Most of us would not even know to consider that as a possible reason for not  locating a person in Jewish cemeteries.
That is a potential genealogical brickwall.
Has any group member actually experienced this in your own research? Please share how you worked through the research process.
Many thanks in advance.
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
GRUSZECKI/GRUSZECKA from Warszawa and possibly Zelechow


Re: Help with spelling of a name #names

Reuven Mohr

a Jewish first name like Seidel was probably replaced by something neutral like Sam, or similar; I would not include a first name into the search.
the name Stadlen looks related to the Hebrew Shtadlan, so variations might include Stadlan, Shtadlan, Schtadlan, Statlan, Statlen, Stodlen, Stodlan etc.

Reuven Mohr

Subject: Langner Family of the Stratyn-New York Chassidic Dynasty. #usa

Neil Rosenstein

Trying to make contact with the family of Chaya, daughter of Ira
Langner who married his first cousin, Sorche, daughter of Ethel (Ethy)
Rachel and R. Yechiel Michel Horodner, ABD Stratyn.

Neil Rosenstein

Finding passenger records France > La. in 1840s or 1850s #france

Ketura Persellin

Hi all,

I'm struggling to find the passenger records of an ancestor, Julie/Julia
Cerf, who immigrated from Alsace in the late 1840s or very early 1850s.
I would appreciate any pointers you might have. She almost certainly
came through New Orleans. She settled in Summit, Miss.


Ketura Persellin

Re: looking for birth place of Phillip and Rachel Davis born in Poland . #poland #unitedkingdom #general


Sandys Row Synagogue is still functioning, and probably looks quite similar to how it would have done at the wedding in 1890!
Charles Joseph

Researching: Burde, Lusky, Tikochinsky, Rosofsky, Zacuto

Re: Researching cremations #general

Gary Gershfield

I can only speak to New York Jews.

I uncovered many Jewish records at Ferncliff Crematory in Westchester County.

There is also Fresh Pond Crematory in Queens, NY.

During the 1940s-1950s, cremations of Jews, comprised mostly of unaffiliated Jews or Reform Jews.

In addition, cremations were  significantly cheaper than burials.

In more recent times, Jewish families have cremated loved ones, but then the ashes, were placed in a gravestone at a Jewish cemetery.

Gary Gershfield

Forest Hills, NY

On Monday, June 14, 2021 Our Jewish Family History Research via <main@...> wrote:

Hi all:

Cremation is an option that secular families occasionally choose now-a-days. 
I know of a couple, who were holocaust survivors. They both requested to be cremated.
I do wonder if cremations of Jews are recorded on sites at all. Most of us would not even know to consider that as a possible reason for not  locating a person in Jewish cemeteries.
That is a potential genealogical brickwall.
Has any group member actually experienced this in your own research? Please share how you worked through the research process.
Many thanks in advance.
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
GRUSZECKI/GRUSZECKA from Warszawa and possibly Zelechow


The June Issue of the Galitzianer #galicia

Gesher Galicia SIG

We are thrilled to announce the release of the June 2021 issue of
the Galitzianer, Gesher Galicia’s quarterly research journal. This
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Among the other diverse topics covered in this issue are Jewish
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legends, cousins’ clubs, and a WWI abduction. There’s also an article
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Here is a full list of the articles in this issue:
  • Research Corner: The Przemyśl Identification Project by Tony Kahane
  • Jewish Marriages Revisited by Andrew Zalewski
  • Jewish Book Traders and the Ossolineum by Dorota Sidorowicz-Mulak
  • Map Corner: Cadastral Map Legends by Jay Osborn
  • Tragedy on WWI’s Eastern Front by Sharon Taylor
  • In Their Own Words: A Paper Trail into a Couple’s Nazi Past by Philippe Sands
  • Presidents’ Page: Cousins’ Clubs by Steven S. Turner
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visit our website at Members and
nonmembers alike are invited to submit articles on Galicia-related
themes to the Galitzianer. For details, please review our
submissions policy at
and contact me at submissions@....

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Editor, The Galitzianer
Gesher Galicia
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