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Re: Need Help With DNA Puzzle #dna

clairesuzannew@...
 

Endogamy is probably the answer. Almost all  Ashkenazi jews are related ; they descend from 350 people back 600 or 800 years.

Claire Weill
France
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Re: Seeking photo in Northampton, Mass #photographs #usa

Phyllis Eckstein
 

Hi Lauri,
I live in Northampton.  I’d be glad to take the photos.  I will get to to it during the week
Phyllis Eckstein


Re: Need Help With DNA Puzzle #dna

Adam Turner
 

DNA matching (especially as run through the AncestryDNA phasing algorithm) can produce some weird outliers, so a 124 cM match being 4C1R doesn't sound impossible to me. (Maybe you just happen to have two or three long blocks of shared DNA with Jodie that have been conserved to an unusual degree across the generations separating you, and these are keeping your match numbers significantly higher than most matches who are your 4C1R.) 

That said, 124 cM certainly is a higher amount of shared DNA than I've generally seen for a relationship in that range. In addition to cousin-marriage scenarios, I might look into the possibility that you are double cousins - if, say, Jacov Mordechai Galinsky and Isaac Galinsky's wives were themselves closely related to one another, that could also be inflating your match numbers. I match a number of 3C1R on AncestryDNA in the 100-150 cM range; most of these are actually double 3C1R to me, as my gg-grandfather's sister ended up marrying my gg-grandmother's brother.

Most of my regular 3C1R seem to have fewer and longer matching segments than those who are double 3C1R - a quick check suggests that the regular 3C1R usually have 5-7 matching segments, while the double 3C1R have 7-12 matching segments. So a 124 cM/9 segment match doesn't sound outside the realm of possibility if you actually have a double-cousin relationship to Jodie.

Adam Turner


Re: Need Help With DNA Puzzle #dna

stephen@...
 

I can top your match. On MyHeritage I have a 4th cousin once removed and we share 164.5 cM across 10 segments,
with the longest being 44.1 cM. According to to MH we should be second cousins or second cousins once removed.

We both have detailed trees going back to our mutual ancestors, born in the early 1800s and all we have been able to conclude from this high match score is that we have other mutual relatives that we don't know about. I see such multiple relationships on my trees.
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Stephen Schmideg
Melbourne, Australia
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Looking for Bruce Freed #usa #general

Sharon Ann Dror
 

Looking for a cousin Bruce Freed - born in New York.
Does anyone know how to reach Bruce Freed? He lived in Chicago, IL.
Mother Anna nee Siporin and Father Bernard Freed. Divorced and both deceased.
He has a sister Laurie Freed born May 23, 1941 in Brooklyn, NY.
He went to Tilden High School in Brooklyn, NY in 1963
Laurie also went to Tilden High School in 1958
I have information on Anna, Bernard and Laurie's whereabouts. Anna is buried in Los Angeles and remarried to a Doyle. Laurie lives in Los Angeles, her 2nd husband Milton Klorman passed away in 2019. She doesnt want anything to do with the family tree project.
It is only BRUCE that I want to find. What became of him?
Thanks in advance.

Sharon Ann Dror
SharonAnnDror@...


Need Help With DNA Puzzle #dna

Teewinot
 

Hello Cousins,

I have a DNA puzzle that I hope you can help me solve. I have changed
the first names of living relatives to protect their privacy.

I was checking my new DNA matches on Ancestry, when I came across a
woman who Ancestry claimed is a 2nd to 3rd cousin. Jodie and I share
124 cM across 9 segments, the longest being 38 cM. She had a tree, so I
checked it out.

After finding our common ancestor, I discovered we're not 2nd or 3rd
cousins, but 4th cousins once removed. Jodie's maternal 2nd great
grandmother was Nasha (nee Galinsky) Zametsky. Nasha was the daughter
of Jacov Mordechai Galinsky. Jacov was the brother of Isaac Galinsky.
Isaac was my great grandfather (Joseph) Nathan Gellis' (Galinsky) father.

Now Ron Gellis is my 2nd cousin once removed. He is descended from
Nathan's brother Abraham. Ron and I share 121 cM across 7 segments,
with the longest being 31 cM. Sally Gellis is Ron's daughter and my 3rd
cousin. We share 53 cM across 4 segments, with the longest being 31 cM.
Peter Nathanson is also descended from Abraham and is my 3rd cousin.
We share 44 cM across 8 segments, with the longest being 13 cM.

These all make sense to me, but not the 124 cM that I share with Jodie.
How can we be such distant cousins sharing so much DNA?

Now I know DNA can be recombined and passed down in odd ways, but this
just doesn't make sense to me. It seems like DNA is coming from
someplace it shouldn't have.

Now one of Jacov's sons, Schmaya (Meyer), married his first cousin,
Goldie Gellis (Nathan's sister). I would imagine there'd be a double
dose of DNA there! I find no evidence of that sort of thing occurring
with Nasha.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,
Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida
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RESEARCHING: FRIEDMAN, MILLER, BERKOWITZ (Grodno/Brest, Poland/Russia/Belarus); GEIST (?,Russia); GLICKMAN, KLUGMAN, STURMAN,
KAPLAN, ROTENBERG (Bilgoraj, Lublin, Poland/Russia); LIEB/LEIBOWITZ, BLAU (Jassy/Iasi, Romania); GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki, Poland/Russia);
KRASNOPOLSKY, SILBERMAN/SILVERMAN (Krasnopol, Poland/Russia); KOPCIANSKY
(?, Poland/Russia); GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania); CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania)

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Seeking photo in Northampton, Mass #photographs #usa

Laurie Budgar
 

From approximately 1940-1979, siblings Louis and Leonard Budgor -- my first cousins twice removed -- ran Budgor Pharmacy at 1 Market St. in Northampton, Mass. The site of the business is now a coffee shop called The Roost. (See attached photo that I found online some time ago but failed to record where I found it -- perhaps the business's Facebook page.) At the time, I got in touch with the owners of the business, who told me they had many more photos of the original pharmacy on display at the business.

If anyone lives in the area, I would greatly appreciate photos of the current business, as well as any of the photos or other memorabilia they have on display. 

Many thanks!
Laurie Budgar
Longmont, CO

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how to post a query on Viewmate #general

Toby Glickman
 

Hello,
I have a JPG scan of a news article in Yiddish I would like translated.  I thought I had posted it via ViewMate to the Discussion Board but it never appeared.

Can you tell me what I did wrong and how to correct it?

Thank you
Toby Glickman


Re: Autosomal DNA Information for European Jews which is Not Being Revealed #dna

Michele Lock
 

From Ancestry DNA, I have also had matches with persons who have forebears 3-4 generations back who came from towns within 50 or so miles of my known forebears. Typically these are matches around 100 cM, with the longest segment about 20 cM, and average segment length 9-12 or so. And yet - no known common family members or common surnames. I chalk this up to endogamy and/or the common ancestor being a woman 3-4 generations back for whom we have no records, or for whom we do not know her married name, so we can't identify her descendants. For instance, according to the 1834 Revision list for Plunge, Lithuania, my great great grandfather Aron Lak had three sisters named Sheita, Judes, and Miriam. And that's all I know about them; I've never located any marriage or death records for them, unlike records for three Lak brothers in the same household. Yet these women would have passed their DNA on now through several generations, and I suspect they and other women of their time in my family are contributing to these types of DNA matches.

On the other hand, it is through Ancestry DNA that I've been able to discover an unknown sister to a great grandmother, an unknown sister to a great great grandmother, and figure out the married name of a known sister of a great grandfather.
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Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus


Re: Autosomal DNA Information for European Jews which is Not Being Revealed #dna

Adam Turner
 

I have found numerous cases of this - people with ancestors from the same ancestral towns (or very close by), but who I have so far been unable to trace.

But I don't think it's really because there's meaningful information about geographic regions that the testing companies aren't making available to us. The "regions" that each company has created are just a function of various SNPs that are atypically common in particular populations. Perhaps the companies could make the regions a bit more granular than they are already, but that doesn't really tell us very much that a little research on a given match won't turn up anyway. It's interesting to know that a match came from the same sub-population as I did, but it's not particularly useful in a genealogical sense.

Instead, I suspect these cases of same town/significant match/no known connection fall into one of the following categories:

  • These people are actually your cousins in the 5th-7th cousin range, and the connection is simply too far back to trace with the available sources. If you were born in the 1950s, assuming about a 25-year age gap between generations, your fifth cousins will stem from branches that diverged from yours around the 1820s - right around the cusp of the era of surname adoption. Although autosomal testing will not register many (even most) of your 6th cousins as matches, this is counterbalanced by the fact that each generation you go back, you have an exponentially greater number of cousins - increasing the likelihood that you'll come across one with a DNA test.
  • The same thing as above, except even further back - people in the 8th-10th cousin range or even more distant. Since you have a huge number of cousins in this range, at least a handful of them will be outlier cases that share unusually high amounts of DNA with you, relative to most cousins in this range.
(The most distant of these outlier cases who I've come across so far on AncestryDNA is a probable 5C1R of mine. After being run through TIMBER and whatever else Ancestry uses to do its thing, the system gives her match numbers as a total match of 47 cM across 7 segments, unweighted shared DNA 70 cM, longest matching segment 12 cM. Generally, I would interpret a 47 cM match on AncestryDNA as a signal of a possible third or fourth cousin and a 12 cM longest block as too short to be anything meaningful, and write this match off as probably just endogamy - but subsequent research suggests that she is likely an outlier case with an unusually high amount of matching DNA for such a distant relationship: she is descended from a man born in the 1810s who I suspect was my gggg-grandfather's brother, and AncestryDNA is somehow registering a significant total match for her...even though it registers no match between me and her father, who also tested, and who is my probable 4C2R.)

Adam Turner


Searching for Heyman family in Latvia and Montevideo, Uruguay #latinamerica

Hannah
 

 

I am searching for information on my Grandmother Dora Felsman’s family.  She was born Dora Heyman (Heiman) in Friedrichstadt, later Juanjelgava, Latvia in 1900. 

Two of her sisters emigrated to Montevideo, Uruguay.  Her sister Ruth never married and her other sister married in Uruguay and had 3 daughters, including twin girls.

 

Hannah Berkowitz

Westchester County, New York

Searching SubCarpathia,  Felsohidegpatak (Vysny Studeny), Irshava (Ilosva) and Uzhorod (Ungar),  and Latvia


Looking for Mischeleivch family #lithuania

gensurgmd
 

Looking for Mischelevich family from Lithuania
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Ronald I. Kaplan
Atlanta, Georgia


Looking for Schwamm family #ukraine

gensurgmd
 

Looking for Schwamm family from Podwolocheskayy and Skalat in Galicia now Ukraine, with family also in Danzig, Holland, New York
--
Ronald I. Kaplan
Atlanta, Georgia


Autosomal DNA Information for European Jews which is Not Being Revealed #dna

Ralph Baer
 

I have taken autosomal DNA tests from both FTDNA and Ancestry. Like probably all others descended from central and eastern Europe Jews, my results exhibit a very large amount of endogamy. If I eliminate the known relatives (up to fourth or fifth cousins) who have taken these tests and look at only those who include some ancestral information, I still see that a lot of the closest predicted relatives have ancestors from the same general area where mine lived (southern and far western Germany). In a few such cases, I have been able to compare information with these people back through at least at least a half dozen generations e.g., the late Arthur Obermayer who was my closest predicted FTDNA match when I took that test, and there has been no indication of a likely common ancestor.
 
This indicates to me that if the DNA companies would divide European Jewry into several geographic regions, we could learn more. Although it is nice to know that I am 100% European Jewish. I suspect that there is additional information which we are not seeing.
 
What I would like to know is if others, especially those whose ancestors did not originate in southern and western Germany, also have significantly more of their highest matches from the same region as their ancestors came from than would be predicated purely by chance.
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Ralph N. Baer        RalphNBaer@...       Washington, DC


Re: Changing a child age to avoid conscription #belarus

Relly coleman
 

Jews changes/falsified DOB for reasons other than to avoid conscription.  children were re-registered with a later DOB when possible to extend maternity benefits, such as extending maternity leave, etc., This happened in my family.  
relly coleman


Re: Email address for Josef Motschmann? #general

Karen Franklin
 

Josef Motschmann received an Obermayer German Jewish History Award in 2002. I checked with the Widen the Circle, a nonprofit supported by the Obermayer Foundation that now sponsors the awards), and learned that he has passed away. 

https://widenthecircle.org/profiles/josef-motschmann

https://widenthecircle.org/obermayer-awards-2022

Karen S. Franklin
New York NY


Jewish Genealogy SIG July Meeting - Tues July 13, 2021 10-11:30 am EDT via Zoom - RSVP. #announcements

Arthur Sissman
 

Jewish Genealogy SIG July Meeting - Tues July 13, 2021  10-11:30 am EDT via Zoom - RSVP.

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Meeting open to the first 100 people who RSVP!

 

GEDmatch.com - Should I Upload or Not?  

Join the Jewish Genealogy SIG June Meeting Tues 7/13/21  10-11:30 am EDT via Zoom.

 

Program: 

GEDmatch.com - Should I Upload or Not? 

The presentation will try to answer the following questions:

 

  • What is GEDmatch?
  • Why Should I Upload My Raw Data to GEDmatch?
  • What Questions Can GEDmatch Answer for Me?
  • Is GEDmatch Hard to Manipulate?
  • How Much Does GEDmatch Cost?
  • What are the Best Tools to Use At GEDmatch?

Start learning about GEDmatch today by watching: What is GEDmatch? How Does it Help Genetic Genealogists?  Andy Lee  Feb 19, 2019

 

Reserve you Zoom spot by RSVP and answer some questions below, please.  A Handout will be available for those who sign up.  Zoom link will be sent out 2-3 days before event. You will receive an acknowledgement that you signed up.

 

Send your RSVP to Arthur Sissman  genresearch13@...   
Please send the following info with your request.
1. Your location.
2. Are you DNA Tested? Where?
3. Have you uploaded to GEDmatch?
4. What is your #1 question about GEDmatch?

 

Regards,

Arthur Sissman

Jewish Genealogy SIG of Collier/Lee Co FL

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Researching: ZISMAN/ZYSMAN/ZUSMAN (Belarus); TELESHEVSKY (Belarus); CHANUTIN, (W. Russia), BRODY, (Hungary); FRIEDMAN, (Hungary); GRAUBARD, (Romania/Ukraine)

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Re: Tomorrow: Virtual Conference on Restoring Jewish Cemeteries of Poland #poland #JewishGenUpdates

Dan Oren
 

Due to a website issue, please connect to the conference at <jewishheritagepoland.org/conference> instead.

I thank Avraham Groll for sending out the notice above. Thank you.
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Dan A. Oren, conference co-chair


Re: Help with translations #austria-czech #germany #translation

alexander.burstein@...
 

Hi Lynn,

Would be easier if the first postcard could be zoomed withouth losing acuity.

The first postcard, from Adolf zu family Friedler in 1070 Vienna, Leopold-Ernst-Gasse 18, says, as far as I can decipher it: Best wishes from your Adolf, I am fine, 1st July 1915 I was .... (maybe a promotion in a new rank or to a new posting) ... Victor is writing ... (somesthing about) favorite medical department ... Mühlbach (if Adolf or Victor have been fighting against Italy it could be Mühlbach in the Puster Valley in todays South Tyrol)

The second postcard says: In remembrance of summer 1924

Best,
Alexander Burstein


Re: Requesting close look at gravestone of Moshe Elimelech GEWELBE in Warsaw #poland #warsaw

Eva Robotnick
 

I recommend you contact Yisroel Szpilman who may still be Jewish Cemetery Director at the Oppotow cemetery in Warsaw.
His email is: yisroelszpilman@...
Eva Robotnick

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