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Fold3 Is offering FREE Access to Civil War Records Through July 18
#announcements
#records
#usa
Jan Meisels Allen
Fold3, a member of the Ancestry family of companies is offering free access to search their 100 million Civil War Collection through July 18, 2021 at 11:59 PM MDT. Registration is required. Name, email address and password is required to register, no credit card information. If you try to access the collections not featured during the free access period, or any records after the free access time expires you will be invited to subscribe for a Fold3 paid-membership. To access the collection go to: https://go.fold3.com/civilwar
When the record you want appears on the upper right is an icon with tools. Click on that to download or print the image.
I have no affiliation with Fold3 or Ancestry and am posting this solely for the information of the reader.
Jan Meisels Allen Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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Russian translation
#translation
Laufer, Shmuel
A need Russian translation for 4 certificates of families. I don't need word-for-word but details such as names, dates, locations, occupations, and so on are very helpful.
A marriage certificate of Zelek Zylberman and Enia Liba from Wyskow for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ... https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM94275
A death certificate of Chaim Pech from Dubienka for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ... https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM94277
A death certificate of death certificate of Lea Pech from Dubienka for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address .... https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM94278
A birth certificate of Szyia Majufes from Przasnysz for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address .... https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM94289
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page. Thanks in advance
Shmuel Laufer Rehovot -Israel Research: Laufer (Przasnysz, Poland); Domb (Pultusk, Poland); Bruckman (Sarnaki, Poland); Zelazo (Sarnaki, Poland); Preschel (Berhomet, Chernivets'ka, Ukraine), Leder (Berhomet, Chernivets'ka, Ukraine); Schnap (Berhomet, Chernivets'ka, Ukraine); Mitelman (Chelm, Poland); Tenerman (Dubienka, Poland) _._,_._,_
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Re: How were Hungary censuses conducted?
#hungary
Dan Rottenberg
Yes, the age discrepancy between these 2 Salis is another complication I must explore further. The 1829 birth date for Sallie Klein Jolesz might be an error, or it might be a faulty transcription meant to read 1819 (as you point out, a woman born in 1829 could not have given birth to a son in 1840). In any case, my original question remains: How was the census information gathered, and over how long a period (days, weeks, months?) was the information collected?
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JGS Toronto. Free Virtual Meeting. VIENNA, BUDAPEST, PRAGUE — THREE GREAT JEWISH COMMUNITIES. Henry Wellisch. Wednesday, 14 July 2021, 7:30 p.m.. ET.
#jgs-iajgs
#austria-czech
#hungary
Jerry Scherer
JEWISH GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY OF TORONTO
VIENNA, BUDAPEST, PRAGUE — THREE GREAT JEWISH COMMUNITIES
Speaker: Henry Wellisch
VIRTUAL MEETING: Join from Home
Wednesday, 14 July 2021, at 7:30 pm. ET.
These three cities were, before World War I, part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. During the 19th century, thousands of Jews moved to these cities from the provinces to look for a better life. Once there, they became an important part of their new homes; some became leaders of society and distinguished themselves in the fields of science, literature, medicine, theatre, politics, etc.
The presentation will cover a period of several hundred years until World War I. For those who had relatives who may have resided there, Henry has prepared a register of research materials. These will be found on the website of the JGS Toronto and will consist of searchable birth, marriage, death records; and cemetery records, city directories and others. Also provided is an extensive list of books on the history of these communities.
Henry Wellisch was born in Vienna and escaped from there in 1940. He spent the war years in a British Internment camp on the island of Mauritius and in 1944 volunteered for the Jewish Brigade. In 1948 he joined the Israeli army and participated in the War of Independence.
Over 25 years ago, he began to investigate his family background, concentrating his research on the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and was able to trace his family back into the middle of the 18th century. He has published numerous articles on Jewish family research, has lectured on various genealogical subjects, and was president of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Toronto from 1993 to 1998.
To register, please go to:
Please keep the acknowledgement email when you receive it as it contains your personalized link to join the Zoom meeting on 14 July. The presentation will be recorded. It will be available to JGS Toronto members in the “Members Only” section of the Society website, a few days after the event. It will also be available to non-member registrants for one week after the event
To our guests, consider joining our membership for only $40.00 per year by Clicking Here or consider a donation by Clicking Here to assist us in continuing our mission providing a forum for the exchange of genealogical knowledge and information. (Canadians receive a CRA tax receipt.)
info@... www.jgstoronto.ca Tel: 647-247-6414 twitter: jgsoftoronto facebook: Jewish Genealogical Society of Toronto
Jerry Scherer Vice President, Communications
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Re: Need Help With DNA Puzzle
#dna
Bob Smiley
This may not be caused by endogamy. I have a personal case where a known (by paper trail) 2C2R matches me with 236 cM total. This is way beyond the expected amount and is due not to endogamy. Her Great Grandmother was my father's cousin. The rest of her relatives going down that line were non-Jewish, so endogamy does not come into play, nor inheritance through a second line.
When you inherit DNA from a set of great grandparents, you do not always get an even split between the two. And you may continue to inherit that larger amount going further. It does not always get diluted by halves in each generation. This is what happened in my case. My match maintained more of that specific multi-great grandparent's sequences that would be expected. Another example is my wife who shares an untouched 48 cM segment on a particular chromosome with relatives who are known 6Cs. Some chromosomal sequences continue unaltered. -- Bob Smiley Kirkland, Washington USA
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Re: Need Help With DNA Puzzle
#dna
Jill Whitehead
I have been trying to get my double second cousins to do DNA testing but they will not, but I would love to see the results.They are descended from both my mother's mother's family and my mothers' father's family, with my maternal grandmother's 1st cousin marrying my maternal grandfather's first cousin in 1920.
I also have a situation where my maternal great grandparents were first cousins, and then one of their sons married the daughter of my great grandmother's brother, making them double first cousins. Ancestry's family tree cannot cope with that and so I have had to enter them twice. But we are commonly related several times over to our different families. When another of my 2nd cousins tested a few years back, I also found I was related to his wife. I have the situation where some members of my father's family are distantly related to my mother's family - not surprising as they came from the same geographical area. So endogamy will be the main reason for the result. Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK
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Re: Searching for Heyman family in Latvia and Montevideo, Uruguay
#latinamerica
Unfortunately you give very little information as far as family names and dates are concerned. I suggest you consult the Jewishgen Family Finder . Also when doing a search remember that in Russian there is no H so you should search for Haiman, Heiman.,Geiman,Gaiman. I had a look at the Internal Passports on Citlskoki and there were quite a lot of names spelled the way I have indicated. checked a few but you would be best placed to look as you might recognise other family names.
ciltskoki.lv Once you have a username and password use the site in Latvian not English. Enter in the first box which is surname Geiman and leave the Town Box empty. Look at all the hits both Geiman and Heiman. Arlene Beare Co-director Latvia and Estonia Research Division.
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Re: How were Hungary censuses conducted?
#hungary
and also, in 1857 census Sali Klein was born in 1829, so it is strange that Jakab Tannenbaum was born in 1840 when Sali was only 11 years old.
Marianna Toth
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Re: How were Hungary censuses conducted?
#hungary
Tannenbaum Sali is 31 years old according to this household 448, but Jolesz Sali only 19....I know that ages are not exact in Hungarian censuses but still, this is a large difference
Marianna Toth
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cesar prinzac
Cesar Prinzac MD
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Re: Need Help With DNA Puzzle
#dna
Michele Lock
I am also wondering if you have more than one way that you are related to this fourth cousin once removed, through a first cousin marriage that so far you and your match are not aware of.
My paternal grandparents were first cousins, and this has made it much easier to find persons related to my paternal grandmother. In fact, my closest DNA match is a first cousin once removed in that side of the family; we share enough DNA that we appear to be first cousins. My oddest DNA match (so far) is a half second cousin twice removed; her grandfather and I are half-second cousins (that is, we only share one great grandparent). This young lady (born 1991) and I (born 1959) share 110 cM across 4 segments, with the longest segment being 84 cM. It is amazing to me that this 84 cM segment has been passed down unchanged from the one ancestor that we share, Hyman Eliezer Lak, born about 1845 in Zagare, Lithuania. -- Michele Lock Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus
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Global Reach Without Airfare or Postage
#records
#announcements
#events
Sunday. July11th 1-3 pm PT Zoom Meeting and Presentation Global Reach Without Airfare or Postage By Jordan Auslander
Covid travel restrictions and the time and cost of traveling have limited genealogists’ access to many essential onsite records. Jordan Auslander will demonstrate how to utilize expanding international resources. Available free or by subscription, foreign documentation, directories, and indices are available from home, libraries, and archives. However, if you choose to travel, using his extensive remote research experiences, he will show how to optimize on-site visits Jordan Auslander is a New York based genealogical researcher, lecturer, and expert witness. Jordan has pursued cases across the United States, Europe, and Israel. He has translated, created, and published an index to vital records in the Slovak State Archive system, Genealogical Gazetteer of the Kingdom of Hungary. (and articles including the history and documentation of US participants in WW1), His interest in family history grew while stuck with sorting through bales of material his paternal grandmother accumulated. He joined the Jewish Genealogical Society of New York in 1988, serving on its board 1994-96; member of the Association of Professional Genealogists and The New York Genealogical & Biographical Society. In order to register for the presentation go to our website Welcome to the San Diego Jewish Genealogy Website (sdjgs.org) and follow the registration directions.Marguerite Kealey Publicity Chair, San Diego Jewish Genealogical Society San Diego, CA
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Re: Need Help With DNA Puzzle
#dna
Teewinot
Hi Stephen,
I can top your match. On MyHeritage I have a 4th cousin once removed andWOW! You definitely take the prize! We both have detailed trees going back to our mutual ancestors, born inThat's what I was thinking, but wanted to hear other people's opinions to be sure I hadn't overlooked something. This is actually the first cousin I've had this happen with. All the others, so far, are what you would expect. Thanks for sharing! Jeri Friedman Port Saint Lucie, Florida -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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How were Hungary censuses conducted?
#hungary
Dan Rottenberg
This is a request for insight into how the Hungary censuses of 1848, 1857 and 1869 were conducted. Was the information gathered over days, weeks, months?
The question is relevant to me as I wrestle with a strange discovery. In the 1848 census for Sebeskellemes (aka Kellemes), a village on the outskirts of Eperjes (now Presov), it appears that the same woman is listed in two separate households and two different marital situations. To wit: — Household #448 lists Sali Tannenbaum as a widow living with her mother and five children, the youngest of whom are named Jakab (born 1840) and Mozes Tannenbaum (1846). — But Household #431 lists a Sali Klein living in her grandmother's house with her husband Lipot Jolesz. This same Lipot and Sali Jolesz are listed in the 1857 Kellemes census with three children of their own plus two sons of Sali from a prior marriage: Jakab Tannenbaum (born 1840) and Moritz Tannenbaum (1846). In a village as small as Kellemes, it seems unlikely that there would be two sets of brothers name Jabak and Moses Tanenbaum, both born in 1840 & 1846 to a mother named Sali. So Sali Tannenbaum and Sali Klein Jolesz must be the same person. But how could she be listed in 2 different houses and marital situations in the 1848 census? My best guess is that Sali Tanenbaum musty have been the widowed head of her own household when the first census taker came around; and by the time a later census taker came by (perhaps weeks or months later), she had married Lipot Jolesz and moved into her grandmother's house with him. Is there any other explanation? Thanks for any insight you can provide! Dan Rottenberg Philadelphia PA da@...
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This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page
#belarus
#JewishGenUpdates
#yizkorbooks
Bruce Drake
“Only stories are left, memories, nostalgia and a heart torn in infinite grief.”
“Only Memories Are Left” from the Yizkor book of Dokshitz (Dokshytsy) in Belarus is one of the most beautiful, evocative descriptions of life in the shtetl I have read, so I didn’t try to shorten it as I do with some very long chapters. Everything is here: town life, descriptions of the countryside, the work people do, the challenges they face, the cheder, and the celebrations of holidays. There are also accounts of those who chose to leave for America or to make Aliyah to Eretz Israel, and the emotions that these decisions stirred, knowing that they would remember Dokshitz forever.
-- Bruce Drake Silver Spring, MD Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel
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Re: Seeking photo in Northampton, Mass
#photographs
#usa
Lin Mor
May I suggest you also contact the public library in Northampton where there may be items in their archives related to your cousins' business? BTW, Northampton is a lovely town.
Linda Cohen Morzillo Saratoga Springs, NY
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Re: Looking for Mischeleivch family
#lithuania
Robert Weinberg
How about: "Mishelevich M.D. Ph.D." <david@...>
Bob Weinberg
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Re: how to post a query on Viewmate
#general
Sam Eneman
Toby,
It could be a number of different things. When JewishGen is back online, please submit the form on the ViewMate Help page: https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/help.asp and I will be happy to help you. Thanks, Sam Eneman ViewMate Moderator
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Re: Searching for Heyman family in Latvia and Montevideo, Uruguay
#latinamerica
I am searching for information on my Grandmother Dora Felsman’s family.
I suggest you join Tracing the Tribe group on FB and post there, but you need to specify all the names and surnames to be able to help you. Shosh Eizenshtein, Toronto
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Re: Need Help With DNA Puzzle
#dna
clairesuzannew@...
Endogamy is probably the answer. Almost all Ashkenazi jews are related ; they descend from 350 people back 600 or 800 years.
Claire Weill France clairesuzannew@...
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