Re: Help to read the father's name on this gravestone, please #translation

Yechiel Deutsch

I would also say that it is most likely בת ה''ר צבי.
Another option is 'ניסן' (Nissan), and third option (less likely) 'יוסף'.
I would suggest maybe there is someone to contact from the 'Chevra Kadisha' to check the records?

Yechiel Deutsch

ViewMate translation request -- Polish #translation



I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Scanned, handwritten document appears to be the record of a stillborn daughter to my great-grandparents, Eli Meir Dziesiątek & Devorah Kucharska. The baby's name, Malka, is not familiar to us. However, due to later birth certificates in America, it is noted that Devorah (Dora) did have two (2) stillbirths. Please translate and provide any relevant details.

Index record is found in JRI-Poland database. Scanned document is at [record #291].
Thank you very much.

Michael Kaplan

Re: How were Hungary censuses conducted? #hungary

Phil Karlin

I.  Census timing.
Generally it took time to complete the census. According to the JewishGen description, 1848 took into 1849. I have an 1869 image of a relative's, signed and dated January 1870 But, were all in a given locale conducted at about the same time? Or did they go back later to fill in gaps? 

There might be more info on the timing in the images of the original sheets. For 1848, some of the index records refer to LDS records online, film numbers 9198xx. Unfortunately the entries in question don't seem to be online. I looked at some entries on 919823, just to get an idea. Each section of entries appeared to have an intro page with a date range - like a month or so - and the signature of the enumerator. Your records are on film 1128. Perhaps the Coordinator of the project would have access to the images. 

II.  In 1857, the names are linked to the images.  Looking at the image for Sali, her birth date might be either 1819 or 1829. 

III.  Finally, my 2 cents on the possible explanation:
I'm inclined to think that Sali Klein/Jules and Sali Tannenbaum are different people, while the Tannenbaum brothers are likely the same in both 1848 & 1857.
  • It does not make sense that they would not being living with their mother, particularly the 15 month old.
  • Comparing all the Sali's there's discrepancy in birthplace as well as date. Sali Jolesz and Sali Klein are listed as 19 years (b. 1829), born in Frics (modern Fricovce.) Sali Tannenbaum is 31 years (b.1817) from Lenarto. 
  • Haja Klein  was 62 years old and born in Lenarto (modern Lenartov). Betti Grinfeld, possible mother of Sali Tanenbaum is also 62, but born in Poland. One could not be mother and the other the grandmother of the same person. 
  • Sali Klein is listed as Haja Klein's granddaughter. Sali Jolesz is the wife of Haja's son-in-law. 
  • Lenarto is about 30 miles away from both Frics and Sebeskellemes, and those 2 are about 15 miles from each other. Place differences in the records are not a matter of different names for the same place. 
  • In 1848, the households were almost consecutive in the census, likely enumerated close in time, maybe even the same day. The enumerator was likely going door-to-door. I'm guessing that the 2 households were counted very close in time to each other. Also, the widow Sali T.'s house comes second. So her marrying in between would not explain it. 
  • We don't know Haja Klein's maiden name and we don't know Sali Tannenbaum's, but they were born in the same town. I might say mother/daughter if the Ashkenazi given name thing didn't apply. Or Haja's friend's daughter. In any case, a bond between the families. 
(More) misfortune finds Sali Tannenbaum. And Rabbi Jules adopts her orphans. 
Phil Karlin
Hartford, CT USA

Re: Need Help With DNA Puzzle #dna

Jocelyn Keene

P.S.  Jeri, If your anomously strong DNA match, Jodie, is cooperative, ask her to put her DNA onto MyHeritage as well.  It is inexpensive and it is a bit easier to see what is going on there than on Ancestry since they tell you the strength of the mutual DNA matches of your DNA matches.  And many Jewish people have tested there.  I had the good luck, figuring out my husband's unknown 2C DNA match to have the cooperation of his cousin.  In our case, transferring the DNA to MyHeritage was very helpful in finding additional relatives to check against.
Jocelyn Keene in Pasadena, California

Document Translation Project adds lists from Gorodnia 1888 #ukraine

Beth Galleto

Dear fellow researchers,

Tax censuses (family lists) from the Gorodnia uezd (district) in 1888 have now been translated and transcribed as part of the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project.

The lists include 130 numbered families and 509 individuals. Among these families there are 116 surnames. I have extracted these surnames and attached the list to this email. The original pages can be seen online on the FamilySearch website in FHL film 1222347, item 14. 

Previously as part of this project we have translated tax censuses from the Borzna, Glukhov, Konotop, Mglin, Oster, and Starodub uezds in 1882, and from the Chernigov, Krolevets, Surazh, and Novgorod Seversk uezds in 1888. The original books can be seen in FHL films 1222346 and 1222347. This work is possible because of generous donations from so many who are interested in records from the former Chernigov gubernia.

Those who donate $100 or more to the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project on the JewishGen website are eligible to view the completed spreadsheets before they are uploaded to the website. Please contact me with proof of your donation if you want to see any of the spreadsheets as listed above. All donations of any size are appreciated and will continue to advance the project. You can donate through the following link:

The information from most of the previously translated spreadsheets has been uploaded to the JewishGen website. They can be searched by entering your surname in the JewishGen Unified Search. When the results page appears, click on those listed for the heading "Ukraine Revision Lists". (The tax censuses or family lists are not actually revision lists, but they are similar enough to be categorized under this heading.)

Next to be translated will be tax censuses/family lists from the Oster and Sosnitsa uezds in 1888. These will complete the second film of the six that make up the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project.

Best wishes,

Beth Galleto,
Project Leader


June 2021 Summary of IAJGS Records Access Alert #jgs-iajgs #records #general

Jan Meisels Allen

As mentioned previously, every month I post a listing of the IAJGS Records Access Alert topics from the previous month for you to see the variety of issues…some were posted on this discussion group but most were not—all postings are included below.  The following are the summaries for the month of June, 2021.  In order not to miss out on important information it is worthwhile for you to be subscribed to the Records Access Alert.

Without records, genealogists cannot do genealogy –making certain that we retain access and gain access where it is impaired is every genealogists' responsibility.


23andMe Closes Merger with VG Acquisition and Stock Soars

Ancestry's Yearbook Collection Lawsuit Dismissed with Prejudice

Google Delays Cookie Removal to Late 2023


Australia's Media has Signed With Facebook and Google

(Canada) Liberals Pass C-10 to Regulate Social Media-Broadcasting Act Legislation; Digital Services Tax Threatened

(Europe) Google Ends Auction for EU Android Search Engines

(Europe-Luxembourg) Luxembourg Privacy Regulator Proposes $425 Million Fine Against Amazon


(European Union) Court of Justice Rules Facebook Can't Limit GDPR to Lead Watchdog

(European Union) ECHR Rules UK Spy Agency Violated Law with Bulk Interception of Online Communications

(European Union) EU Privacy Chief Investigates Use of US Cloud Services

(European Union) NoYB is Planning to File Up to 10, 000 Complaints About Cookies Without Consent

(European Union) EU Opens Antitrust Investigation on Google

(European Union-Germany) EU Commission Started Infringement Proceedings Against Germany


(France) Google Agrees to Changes in Online Advertising and $268 M Fine

G-7 Agree to Back Deal On Global Minimum Corporate Tax Rate of 15%

(India) National Archives of India Concern over Demolition of Part of Complex

(Ireland) Beyond 2022 Creating the Virtual Record Treasury of Ireland


(United Kingdom) Bletchley Park--Code Breakers Names

(United Kingdom) CMA to Take Oversight Role Over Google's Planned Removal of Third-Party Cookies

(United Kingdom) Court and Tribunal Judgements Will be Available via National Archives

(United Kingdom-Alderney) Nazi Concentration Camps--Alderney Camps

(United Kingdom-England) England's NHS Plan to Share GP Patient Data Delayed to September


(US) House Members Introduced 5 Bills Targeting GAFA

(US) Library of Congress Announces Copyright Public Modernization Committee

(US-Europe) US to Levy Tariffs Over Digital Service Tax

(US) Facebook Winds Dismissal of US, and States Monopoly Lawsuits-But it May Not Be Over

(US-CA) Legislation on Vital Records Passes House and In Senate

(US-CT) Connecticut Passes Bill Permitting Adoptees Access to Original Birth Certificate

(US-FL) Online Groups Sue Florida Over Social Media Law

(US-MD, MT) Article About New Maryland and Montana Laws Restricting Use of Genetic Genealogy by Law Enforcement

(US-NY) New Bills Propose Tax on Companies Consumer Data Gross Receipts

(US-Oregon) Oregon Health Authority Issues Temporary Rules on Waiving Fees For Certified Vital Records Due to Last Fall's Wild Fires

(US-WA) National Archives In Seattle, WA

(US-WY) County Coroner States State Department of Health and Vital Statistics Has Inaccurate Certifications of Death


The IAJGS Board of Directors approved opening the Records Access Alert to anyone who is interested in records access. This was announced previously.  We now have subscribers from many genealogical organizations not previously able to subscribe. To be on top of what is happening you are encouraged to register for the Records Access Alerts to receive the information in a timely manner.  If you are interested in any of the above items, please register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert and look at them in the archives.  To register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert

go to:  and follow the instructions to enter your email address, full name and which genealogical organization you belong to-a society, SIG  or a subscriber of JewishGen, AVOTAYNU, Legal Genealogist  etc. You will receive an email response that you have to reply to, or the subscription will not be finalized. The alerts are archived and once you register you may access the archives at:


The IAJGS Records Access Alert is not a daily announcement list. Depending on what happens worldwide, there may be no postings for several days and other times there may be several in one day.


These are listed alphabetically not chronologically.  Each month the locales covered differ.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee






Searching for leads on Dov Ber LOEWY, my second ggf. #general #hungary #slovakia

John Anderson

I'm at a dead end. I can find no other leads on my paternal 2nd great grandfather, Dov Ber (SEGAL) LOEWY. Here is what little information I have:
1. He was born in the early 1820's.
2. He was married to Susil DEUTSCH, who was supposedly from Bohemia; she is supposedly buried in Jerusalem.
3. They had 6 children together:
  i. Malke (Mollie)  LOEWY (b. 06 Feb 1846 in Sebes, Presov of what is now Slovakia, but then was probably Hungary); she married Pinkus           HARTSTEIN/Pinchus Hersh (Tzvi); more about him below.
 ii. Raisel (Rose) LOEWY (b. c. 1850, d. aft. 1922);
iii. Avraham/Avrohom Aharon Segal Levi (b. c. 1853 in Hungary, d. 24 Nov 1914 in Jerusalem);
 iv. David LOEWY (b. c. 1854, probably in Hungary);
  v. Ignatz LOEWY (b. bet 1858-1861 in Hungary, d. 13 Apr 1942, Bronx, NY);
 vi. Yetta (Jutta) LOEWY (b. 04 Mar 1866, Hungary, d. 20 Apr 1922, NYC)--she was my father's grandmother.

Each of the above children was married and had children. Nobody in this extended family seems to know much about the origins of Dov Ber or Susil.
The only anecdotal references I have are that there is speculation that he was involved in manufacturing candles, and that he might have died in Munkacs.
Last year I received correspondance from a researcher, Sándor Backsai, in Hungary, who posited the following information regarding eldest child Malke:
"Malka was born in town Sebes (Shebesh), now Slovakia, near to county seat town Eperjes / Presov.
At first, I checked my Tiszadov data, and found that Hartstein family was Levi, so could not be related to Pinchus Tzvi ben Yakov, who were not Levi nor Kohen.
Then I began to look the 1869 census of Balazsvagas, and found Jakab, Zsigmond and Pinkus Hartstein's there. Pinkus was a distiller (brandy maker or maybe innkeper). His wife was Amalia, but the census doesn't say her surname, therefore I began to look the Berzevice / Brezovitz Jewish records, what registered Balazsvagas BMD, and found her surname was Lowy, and Pinkus's Hebrew nam was probably Pinchus Hersh (Tzvi). Therefore I was 99% for sure that they're the finding couple. Also, they had a son Bernat, I believe he was named after death of his grandfather Dov Ber."
I cite this information only as it points to location.
If anyone can help, I would greatly appreciate it.

John Anderson,
Orlando, Florida

Re: Searching my family connection on Bielitz (surname FLIESS) #galicia #records

Michele Lock

Dear Carlos,

Do you have a record that shows evidence that Alois Fliess was Jewish? Or is this something that you have heard from a family member, that Alois had a Jewish background?

For checking Polish Jewish records that have extracts into English, you can look on the JRI-Poland website. You can choose either Prussia or Galicia to check German or Austro-Hungarian records.

If I were you, I would still look into Polish Catholic records for both Alois and Wilhelm. There are probably Facebook groups in the English language that specialize in Polish genealogy, that can advise you how to do this.
Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus

CRI Genetics?


Hi Everyone,

Is anyone familiar with this DNA testing company?

They claim they can test back 50+ generations with "biogeographical ancestry".  Also, are they reputable and how do they stack up against other testing companies?

Amy Mitchell

Re: Looking for DUSSELDORF descendants #germany

Sherri Bobish

Hi Tanya,

If you go to and search for Otto Dusseldorf, born 1829, you will find him and his wife and children on the 1870 and 1880 census living in New York.  He is listed as a physician on both census.  According to city directories, Otto's son Louis was also a physician.

Also, Otto passed on in Brooklyn (Kings County) NY in 1897.
Name: Otto L Dusseldorf
Age: 68
Birth Year: abt 1829
Death Date: 5 Mar 1897
Death Place: Kings, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 3488
If you search for Otto's children (their names are all on the 1870  and 1880 census) you should find them on later census.  The U.S. does a census every ten years, and NY State had some of their own census done mid-decade.)

Census up through 1940 are public and searchable at

The 1950 census will be released in April 2022.

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish

Re: Need Help With DNA Puzzle #dna

Jocelyn Keene

No one has yet mentioned the possibility of a slip in paternity.  You can have as many documented family trees as you like, but if there is a paternal misattribution, the family tree will be meaningless.
The details, including names, in the following have been changed to protect the innocent.
I ran across this when I was examining DNA matches for my husband Jim, at Ancestry DNA.  There was one strong match, Carl, who was Jim's strongest match besides our daughter, and who was estimated to be Jim's 2C or equivalent: 240 cM in 13 segments with longest segment 45 cM.  I looked at the family tree for Carl and could find no overlap.  In fact, I extended Carl's family tree myself, trying to find an overlap but could not find any within a reasonable timeframe.  But then my husband's known 1C2R (an older generation) also tested and he had an even stronger match with Carl.  So I now knew from which of Jim's four grandparents the match arose.  Also, I was corresponding with a cousin of Carl's (Sue) who was unrelated to Jim but who was able to tell me how strong the matches were from Carl's side (Carl wasn't interested). Eventually we realized that Carl and his cousin Sue were only half-cousins with only a half-cousin DNA match, and that Carl's nominal grandfather (shared with Sue) was probably not his actual grandfather but was likely one of my husband Jim's great-uncles. Because I knew a few descendants from that family, I was able to eliminate all but two of Jim's great-uncles from suspicion but I still haven't figured which of the remaining two was the guilty grandfather.  That will have to await DNA testing by more of the descendants of that family. 
So I think that when you run across unexplained relationships, you have to consider possible mistakes in paternity that don't show up in family trees.

Jocelyn Keene in Pasadena, California

Re: Looking for family ties of LEVIN Joseph in Danzig in the 17th century #poland

Logan Kleinwaks

There are significant 18th- and early 19th-century records available for Danzig Jewish genealogy (e.g., censuses), which can help determine relationships in the pre-surname period, but additional volunteers are needed to transcribe and/or proofread transcriptions of this material to make it usable by genealogists. If you are interested in volunteering and can read old German handwriting (Kurrent), please email me. JewishGen's Danzig/Gdańsk Research Division has scans of this material. Separate from transcription, there is also a way to help acquire additional early records if you are in Berlin.

That said, 17th-century records are very limited and connecting to people alive in 1659 would probably require new discoveries, rabbinic ancestry, and/or considerable luck.

Logan Kleinwaks
Coordinator, JewishGen Danzig/Gdańsk Research Division

How to write Jewish name in Hebrew lettering #names

Stephen Katz

A relative's Jewish name has been pronounced (phonetically) by his family as "Ioiel" or "Yoyel." He was from Poland, and his family spoke Yiddish. I would like to know how this name should be written in Hebrew lettering. This is for a tombstone. Thank you for any help.
Stephen Katz

Re: Autosomal DNA Information for European Jews which is Not Being Revealed #dna

Eva Lawrence

Perhaps the reason Ralph Baer is unable to find a common ancestor with other DNA  users whose trees originated in the same region as his, is that even experienced genealogists generally  didn't the explore siblings of wives.   Women can be difficult to trace after marriage,  and in the past female births  were  sometimes even left unrecorded   A connection purely though a female line could be quite close yet unwittingly be missed.   Maybe it's not the DNA information, but the family information that is lacking. 
Eva Lawrence
St Albans,

Re: Help to read the father's name on this gravestone, please #translation

Dubin, David M. MD

As I look at it I now think it says ה״ר צבי (“rabbi Zvi”) with the bottom of the tsade worn away. 

what do others think?

david Dubin
teaneck nj

A Message From The Board of Directors Of Gesher Galicia #announcements #education #galicia

Steven Turner

There have been a lot of unfounded rumors and misinformation flying around and we want to set the record straight:

  • Gesher Galicia maintains its own website and is independent and not connected to any other website.

  • We have not had any cybersecurity issues.

  • We have cybersecurity experts advising us on how best to keep our site safe.

  • They have advised us that as a Jewish-related organization we may be on a list of sites that malicious actors would want to attack

  • As such, and using an abundance of caution we have advised members to reset their password and to use a unique password for Gesher Galicia.

  • Also, as always one should be on the lookout for suspicious emails claiming to be from Gesher Galicia but are not. 

  • Be particularly concerned if you are being asked to “verify your credentials” or to “download instruction files.” We would never ask you to do that in an email.

  • This concern should not interfere with normal communications between Gesher Galicia and its members some of which may have valid links that one should not be afraid to click on.

We want to assure you that we are continuing to take all steps to keep the Gesher Galicia website and your membership information as secure as we can. We will continue to provide updates as necessary.

The Board of Directors of

Gesher Galicia


Re: Possible marriage in London #records #unitedkingdom

The "L" in Lomza has a slash through it. In Polish, the "L" with the slash It is pronounced like a "W"
Avivah R. Z. Pinski ,  near Philadelphia, USA

Marriage date of 29 February 1887! #poland #records


The record for the civil marriage in Sieniawa of my great grandparents, Simon Lam(m) & Liftsche Glanz (and 2 other couples) gives the date as 29 February 1887. Since leap years occur only in years divisible by 4, there was no February 29 in 1887.  The handwriting is too clear to misread it. Is it likely that this is only a clerk's error, or is there any significance to the date? Is it possible that it was the clerk's cynical reaction to late registration (they were married religiously around 1872)? Any ideas are welcome.
Billie Stein
Givatayim, Israel
LAMM Sieniawa, Belz, Lviv
STEIN Zukowice (Stare & Nowe), Tarnow, Krakow 
PLOTKIN Bobruisk, Mogilev, Rogachev 
RUBINSTEIN Minsk, Bobruisk, Yashin
DININ (varioius spellings) Mogilev

Looking for family ties of LEVIN Joseph in Danzig in the 17th century #poland


I found the name LEVIN as early as 1659 in Danzig e.g. Bendix LEVIN and LEVIN Joachim and would like to establish if they were related to Joseph L EVIN (later named PERLBACH), amber dealer.

Ron Peeters(NL))


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Re: What is the subject of this Yiddish article? #translation

Alan Shuchat

These are continuations of two items from the editorial
page: Today’s Girls and The Poor Shtetl.
Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka), Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

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