Re: Need Help With DNA Puzzle #dna

Jeffrey Herrmann

Adam, I think your argument is flawed.  Once the last Neanderthal died about 1,600 generations ago, no new Neanderthal DNA could enter the homo sapiens population, but by random reassortment, bits of it would be deleted each generation.  Sometimes, both a mother and a father would pass none of their Neanderthal DNA to their children, and then that bit is gone.  Unless, that is, there was some strong survival advantage for the lucky children who got it.  And there is no reason to believe that when the last Neanderthal went extinct the number of homo sapiens/Neanderthal hybrids was large compared to the number of pure homo sapiens.   Neanderthal DNA remaining in the human population should get diluted with each successive generation.  Why it survives at about 1 and 1/2 percent is still a mystery.  Many clades of archaic homo sapiens DNA went extinct and can not be found in living homo sapiens.

If (hypothetically) the last “archaic Ashkenazi Jew” went extinct 1,600 generations ago, you would not expect any archaic Ashkenazi DNA to be found in the remaining population of homo sapiens, because they would not have been a large fraction of the total human population at that time and their DNA would be diluted over subsequent time.    That is, unless archaic Ashkenazi DNA conferred a strong survival advantage.
So, are the DNA anomalies that started this thread explainable only by endogamy or something else?
Jeffrey Herrmann
New Rochelle, NY

Re: How to write Jewish name in Hebrew lettering #names

Miron Chumash

Yoyel = יואל
 Miron Chumash

Czech Translation #translation

Carol Jean Weightman

I have posted a letter on Viewmate in the Czech language for which I would appreciate a translation.

The letter is on VM 94285 (page 1) and VM 94286 (page 2).

The letter is type-written and is not very long.

I understand it has to do with the extension of a certificate for a home in Skrečon which was given to the writer in 1930.

The letter was written in 1947. I wonder if it gives family details.

Thank you for any help.

Best wishes
Carol Jean Weightman

Re: How to write Jewish name in Hebrew lettering #names


Hi, Most probably the correct way to spell the name in Hebrew would be יואל , which is equivalent to the name Joel in English. 

My condoleces 
Eran Gindes

Re: Searching for a 'Missing Person Ad' from 1949 Newspaper in Israel #israel


Hi, You should check out the Natonal Library of Israel. Enclosed please find the link.

Good luck
Eran Gindes

ViewMate translation request - Polish #translation

Colin Cohn

Please provide a translation from Polish of the 1921 Czempin marriage
record of my relative Selma JUDA to Jozef KALLMANNSOHN.

The record is on ViewMate:

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you,
Colin Cohn
Sydney, Australia
Researching Czempin: COHN, JUDA, NEUMANN, SCHLAMM

Re: Registration with the SS in Netherlands #holocaust #records


On the same subject: what I mentioned in my previous message had to do with persons that had links with the SS. However, at that time the required registrations were recorded at the local townhalls and many of them can  be found in the genealogical archives of the municipality. Otherwise, try 'Joods Monument'(Jewish Monument).
Ron Peeters(NL)

Re: Looking for Mischeleivch family #lithuania

Matthew Klionsky

Could name be same as Mischelovin? There's an extended family of that name; my daughter knows some in St. Paul, MN.
Matthew Klionsky

Re: Need Help With DNA Puzzle #dna


You are correct Jocelyn, I'm one of them, I floundered for a year, lot of the surnames were similar, but the tale was told when I tested my sibling.  It took another year for my paternal sibling to fall in my AncestryDNA.  Ancestry allows you to add another father, but anyone in MyHeritageDNA will see a tree that only represents only half of me & only will confuse my Jewish cousins.  

Cathy Walters, Elgin, MN

GEDmatch A059333, AncestryDNA & myheritageDNA

New Tool for Jewish Genealogy - An Invitation to Preview and Comment! #jgs-iajgs #general

Marlis Humphrey

Looking for a brick wall breakthrough? Wondering what records you should search for?


The IAJGS invites you and the entire genealogical community familiar with researching Jewish ancestry to preview the draft DoJR Record Type Taxonomy for Jewish Genealogy and provide comments from Monday 5 July through Sunday 18 July at

Marlis Humphrey
International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies (IAJGS) | Immediate Past President IAJGS
Documentation of Jewish Records Worldwide (DoJR) | Chairman Executive Committee

Re: Need Help With DNA Puzzle #dna

Adam Turner

Once you feel you have figured out these DNA puzzles, here’s another: those of us with European ancestry have about one and a half percent Neanderthal DNA, which is about as much DNA, on average, as you would get from one fourth great grandparent, six generations back. But the Neanderthals died out around 40,000 years, or roughly 160,000 generations, ago. How do you explain this?

This one is just the result of confusing one's DNA admixture at the population level with how DNA is shared from one's immediate ancestors.

If you have European ancestry, all of your immediate ancestors' genomes have about 1.5% of their SNPs that can be traced back to Neanderthal populations. That 1.5% doesn't necessarily diminish from generation to generation - those SNPs keep getting passed down again and again as long as people keep mating within the same population, just like the total proportion of markers (SNPs) in your genome that are identifiably "Ashkenazi Jewish" didn't diminish as long as your Ashkenazi Jewish ancestors kept having children with other Ashkenazi Jews. 

(Think of it this way: if someone who is 25% Ashkenazi Jewish marries someone else who is 25% Ashkenazi Jewish, their childrens' genomes, on average, will still show a 25% Ashkenazi admixture. The same principle applies in this case, even though the population we're talking about - "Europeans" - is much much larger and much much older than the population we call "Ashkenazi": both of your parents had genomes with ~1.5% identifiably Neanderthal SNPs, so you do, too. All 4 of your grandparents had 1.5% Neanderthal SNPs, so both your parents did, too. And so on and so on for thousands of years back, for as long as people kept on mating within that same, relatively homogeneous population of Europeans.)

Adam Turner

SCJGS invites you to.“The Changing Borders of Eastern Europe” with Hal Bookbinder July 18th #announcements #events

Leah Kushner

 Santa Cruz Jewish Genealogy Society  invites you to our next Zoom program on SundayJuly 18, 2021, 2 pm Pacific Zone Time 
The Changing Borders of Eastern Europe” with Hal Bookbinder .


Program:  As Russia expanded west, it absorbed millions of Jews. This talk examines Russiaʼs efforts to limit the Jews in its territories and the associated border changes impacting our ancestors. With them, town names, record-keeping and archive locations might change. This overview may help researchers in determining where records might be located, their format and languages. The JewishGen Town Finder and the Encyclopedia Judaica are two excellent resources for determining in what country your town was located at specific times


SpeakerHal writes and lectures extensively on diverse genealogical topics, including border changes, migration, citizenship, safe computing, Jewish culture and Jewish history. He has identified over 4,000 relatives reaching back to the mid-1700s in modern Ukraine. Other roots reach into adjacent areas of Moldova, Poland, Belarus and Russia. He has served as president of the IAJGS and has been honored with its Lifetime Achievement Award. 


RSVP:  -Register Here to receive a Zoom link. This event is free for SCJGS members, $5 for non-members. 


To become a member of Santa Cruz Jewish Genealogy Society, go to membership.scjgs@...  for more information.




Contact: Leah Kushner

 President, SCJGS
Santa Cruz, California


Re: Need Help With DNA Puzzle #dna

Jeffrey Herrmann

Apologies to all for my Neanderthal level of arithmetic skills.  The Neanderthals died out about 1,600 generations ago, not 160,000.  Still, as 1,598th great grandparents, they should not have left us any detectable DNA, unless some of their DNA was essential to survival.  Does that mean that in historical times, some of our ancestors also had bits of DNA that survived many generations because those bits gave a survival advantage?
Jeffrey Herrmann
New Rochelle, NY

Unusual Kielce-related indexing opportunity. Polish-speaking volunteers needed. #poland

Stanley Diamond

Dear friends:
Long before I joined the DoJR (Documentation of Jewish Records Worldwide project) team
JRI-Poland had been able to announce the discovery of unusual or hidden in plain sight record 
collections with potential benefit for many researchers.
The "Attachments to the death certificates of the Kielce Synagogue District" collection is
one that certainly ranks high in tagging it with word "unusual."  We have scans of 12,300 cards 
documenting the 1905 to 1935 deaths in Kielce. There are two or more cards related to each death.
The combination of the pre-printed and handwritten cards with additional information include a
treasure of genealogical detail over and above date of and place of birth, parents' 
names, current (street) address and town of permanent residence.  Marriage information for the
deceased or parents of the deceased is also included in most cards. See samples below.
We need dedicated Polish-speaking volunteers who are able to decipher the aforementioned vital 
details to help JRI-Poland extract the information so that the details can be shared with Kielce 
and area researchers.  "Area" is an important word here as the KIelce Synagogue Area takes in
many towns and villages in the vicinity and the cards will reveal details about individuals that 
might not otherwise be available.  Two typical sets of cards follow below.
To inquire about joining this project team, write to KielceDeathAttachments@...
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.   (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.

Re: Help to read the father's name on this gravestone, please #translation

Yechiel Deutsch

I would also say that it is most likely בת ה''ר צבי.
Another option is 'ניסן' (Nissan), and third option (less likely) 'יוסף'.
I would suggest maybe there is someone to contact from the 'Chevra Kadisha' to check the records?

Yechiel Deutsch

ViewMate translation request -- Polish #translation



I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Scanned, handwritten document appears to be the record of a stillborn daughter to my great-grandparents, Eli Meir Dziesiątek & Devorah Kucharska. The baby's name, Malka, is not familiar to us. However, due to later birth certificates in America, it is noted that Devorah (Dora) did have two (2) stillbirths. Please translate and provide any relevant details.

Index record is found in JRI-Poland database. Scanned document is at [record #291].
Thank you very much.

Michael Kaplan

Re: How were Hungary censuses conducted? #hungary

Phil Karlin

I.  Census timing.
Generally it took time to complete the census. According to the JewishGen description, 1848 took into 1849. I have an 1869 image of a relative's, signed and dated January 1870 But, were all in a given locale conducted at about the same time? Or did they go back later to fill in gaps? 

There might be more info on the timing in the images of the original sheets. For 1848, some of the index records refer to LDS records online, film numbers 9198xx. Unfortunately the entries in question don't seem to be online. I looked at some entries on 919823, just to get an idea. Each section of entries appeared to have an intro page with a date range - like a month or so - and the signature of the enumerator. Your records are on film 1128. Perhaps the Coordinator of the project would have access to the images. 

II.  In 1857, the names are linked to the images.  Looking at the image for Sali, her birth date might be either 1819 or 1829. 

III.  Finally, my 2 cents on the possible explanation:
I'm inclined to think that Sali Klein/Jules and Sali Tannenbaum are different people, while the Tannenbaum brothers are likely the same in both 1848 & 1857.
  • It does not make sense that they would not being living with their mother, particularly the 15 month old.
  • Comparing all the Sali's there's discrepancy in birthplace as well as date. Sali Jolesz and Sali Klein are listed as 19 years (b. 1829), born in Frics (modern Fricovce.) Sali Tannenbaum is 31 years (b.1817) from Lenarto. 
  • Haja Klein  was 62 years old and born in Lenarto (modern Lenartov). Betti Grinfeld, possible mother of Sali Tanenbaum is also 62, but born in Poland. One could not be mother and the other the grandmother of the same person. 
  • Sali Klein is listed as Haja Klein's granddaughter. Sali Jolesz is the wife of Haja's son-in-law. 
  • Lenarto is about 30 miles away from both Frics and Sebeskellemes, and those 2 are about 15 miles from each other. Place differences in the records are not a matter of different names for the same place. 
  • In 1848, the households were almost consecutive in the census, likely enumerated close in time, maybe even the same day. The enumerator was likely going door-to-door. I'm guessing that the 2 households were counted very close in time to each other. Also, the widow Sali T.'s house comes second. So her marrying in between would not explain it. 
  • We don't know Haja Klein's maiden name and we don't know Sali Tannenbaum's, but they were born in the same town. I might say mother/daughter if the Ashkenazi given name thing didn't apply. Or Haja's friend's daughter. In any case, a bond between the families. 
(More) misfortune finds Sali Tannenbaum. And Rabbi Jules adopts her orphans. 
Phil Karlin
Hartford, CT USA

Re: Need Help With DNA Puzzle #dna

Jocelyn Keene

P.S.  Jeri, If your anomously strong DNA match, Jodie, is cooperative, ask her to put her DNA onto MyHeritage as well.  It is inexpensive and it is a bit easier to see what is going on there than on Ancestry since they tell you the strength of the mutual DNA matches of your DNA matches.  And many Jewish people have tested there.  I had the good luck, figuring out my husband's unknown 2C DNA match to have the cooperation of his cousin.  In our case, transferring the DNA to MyHeritage was very helpful in finding additional relatives to check against.
Jocelyn Keene in Pasadena, California

Document Translation Project adds lists from Gorodnia 1888 #ukraine

Beth Galleto

Dear fellow researchers,

Tax censuses (family lists) from the Gorodnia uezd (district) in 1888 have now been translated and transcribed as part of the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project.

The lists include 130 numbered families and 509 individuals. Among these families there are 116 surnames. I have extracted these surnames and attached the list to this email. The original pages can be seen online on the FamilySearch website in FHL film 1222347, item 14. 

Previously as part of this project we have translated tax censuses from the Borzna, Glukhov, Konotop, Mglin, Oster, and Starodub uezds in 1882, and from the Chernigov, Krolevets, Surazh, and Novgorod Seversk uezds in 1888. The original books can be seen in FHL films 1222346 and 1222347. This work is possible because of generous donations from so many who are interested in records from the former Chernigov gubernia.

Those who donate $100 or more to the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project on the JewishGen website are eligible to view the completed spreadsheets before they are uploaded to the website. Please contact me with proof of your donation if you want to see any of the spreadsheets as listed above. All donations of any size are appreciated and will continue to advance the project. You can donate through the following link:

The information from most of the previously translated spreadsheets has been uploaded to the JewishGen website. They can be searched by entering your surname in the JewishGen Unified Search. When the results page appears, click on those listed for the heading "Ukraine Revision Lists". (The tax censuses or family lists are not actually revision lists, but they are similar enough to be categorized under this heading.)

Next to be translated will be tax censuses/family lists from the Oster and Sosnitsa uezds in 1888. These will complete the second film of the six that make up the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project.

Best wishes,

Beth Galleto,
Project Leader


June 2021 Summary of IAJGS Records Access Alert #jgs-iajgs #records #general

Jan Meisels Allen

As mentioned previously, every month I post a listing of the IAJGS Records Access Alert topics from the previous month for you to see the variety of issues…some were posted on this discussion group but most were not—all postings are included below.  The following are the summaries for the month of June, 2021.  In order not to miss out on important information it is worthwhile for you to be subscribed to the Records Access Alert.

Without records, genealogists cannot do genealogy –making certain that we retain access and gain access where it is impaired is every genealogists' responsibility.


23andMe Closes Merger with VG Acquisition and Stock Soars

Ancestry's Yearbook Collection Lawsuit Dismissed with Prejudice

Google Delays Cookie Removal to Late 2023


Australia's Media has Signed With Facebook and Google

(Canada) Liberals Pass C-10 to Regulate Social Media-Broadcasting Act Legislation; Digital Services Tax Threatened

(Europe) Google Ends Auction for EU Android Search Engines

(Europe-Luxembourg) Luxembourg Privacy Regulator Proposes $425 Million Fine Against Amazon


(European Union) Court of Justice Rules Facebook Can't Limit GDPR to Lead Watchdog

(European Union) ECHR Rules UK Spy Agency Violated Law with Bulk Interception of Online Communications

(European Union) EU Privacy Chief Investigates Use of US Cloud Services

(European Union) NoYB is Planning to File Up to 10, 000 Complaints About Cookies Without Consent

(European Union) EU Opens Antitrust Investigation on Google

(European Union-Germany) EU Commission Started Infringement Proceedings Against Germany


(France) Google Agrees to Changes in Online Advertising and $268 M Fine

G-7 Agree to Back Deal On Global Minimum Corporate Tax Rate of 15%

(India) National Archives of India Concern over Demolition of Part of Complex

(Ireland) Beyond 2022 Creating the Virtual Record Treasury of Ireland


(United Kingdom) Bletchley Park--Code Breakers Names

(United Kingdom) CMA to Take Oversight Role Over Google's Planned Removal of Third-Party Cookies

(United Kingdom) Court and Tribunal Judgements Will be Available via National Archives

(United Kingdom-Alderney) Nazi Concentration Camps--Alderney Camps

(United Kingdom-England) England's NHS Plan to Share GP Patient Data Delayed to September


(US) House Members Introduced 5 Bills Targeting GAFA

(US) Library of Congress Announces Copyright Public Modernization Committee

(US-Europe) US to Levy Tariffs Over Digital Service Tax

(US) Facebook Winds Dismissal of US, and States Monopoly Lawsuits-But it May Not Be Over

(US-CA) Legislation on Vital Records Passes House and In Senate

(US-CT) Connecticut Passes Bill Permitting Adoptees Access to Original Birth Certificate

(US-FL) Online Groups Sue Florida Over Social Media Law

(US-MD, MT) Article About New Maryland and Montana Laws Restricting Use of Genetic Genealogy by Law Enforcement

(US-NY) New Bills Propose Tax on Companies Consumer Data Gross Receipts

(US-Oregon) Oregon Health Authority Issues Temporary Rules on Waiving Fees For Certified Vital Records Due to Last Fall's Wild Fires

(US-WA) National Archives In Seattle, WA

(US-WY) County Coroner States State Department of Health and Vital Statistics Has Inaccurate Certifications of Death


The IAJGS Board of Directors approved opening the Records Access Alert to anyone who is interested in records access. This was announced previously.  We now have subscribers from many genealogical organizations not previously able to subscribe. To be on top of what is happening you are encouraged to register for the Records Access Alerts to receive the information in a timely manner.  If you are interested in any of the above items, please register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert and look at them in the archives.  To register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert

go to:  and follow the instructions to enter your email address, full name and which genealogical organization you belong to-a society, SIG  or a subscriber of JewishGen, AVOTAYNU, Legal Genealogist  etc. You will receive an email response that you have to reply to, or the subscription will not be finalized. The alerts are archived and once you register you may access the archives at:


The IAJGS Records Access Alert is not a daily announcement list. Depending on what happens worldwide, there may be no postings for several days and other times there may be several in one day.


These are listed alphabetically not chronologically.  Each month the locales covered differ.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee






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