Re: Godparents? #galicia

David Harrison

The question of denomination is very important, as is a name of the country in a particular period.  I have heard, more than once that there are more than 40 different distinct world-wide denominations of Jews,  I would also suggest that Reform in Great Britain is different to in the USA. On my side of the Atlantic Reform and Liberal share the same Rabbinic training and these people will often change from congregations of one to the other and maybe back again.  Likewise, if a person moves to a different town and there is no congregation of their preferred variety within (what is deemed) a reasonable travel distance, there may only be one congregation to join.  However our pandemic with services on Zoom is making it easier to join in services of the flavour that you prefer.  A pretty face may also result in a change of allegiance.

As young marrieds with a child we alternated festival celebrations with another couple and could not devise an alternative to "Godparents" to our mutual agreements (in our wills) that if one couple died then the other would take on the care of the other's children who were already very used to them.   Nearly 55 years later, I am the only parent of the four still alive, but with that same relationship to the other children, it may not be rare.

David Harrison
Birmingham, England.

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No one has mentioned what denomination of Judaism their family was part of. I wonder if Reform Judaism had a period in which it used godparents, maybe around the time when worship was moved to Sundays and there were no Bar/Bat Mitzvot.
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Re: How To Find A Date Of Death In NYC Prior To 1935/SSDI? #records #usa

Barbara Hemmendinger

It would be helpful to know the place of death.  Perhaps in a neighboring state, in which case NYC death records would be nonexistent?

Barbara (Elk) Hemmendinger 
Williamsport, PA

BAHSSIN, BASIN, BASSIN, Starodub, Russia
LOWENSOHN, LOWENBERG, Jelgava (Mitau), Bauska, and Riga, Latvia
EHRLICH, Kobrin, Belarus
ZIBULSKY, SHEFKOWITZ, Pereyaslav, Ukraine 

This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks #ukraine

Bruce Drake

I’ve posted many excerpts here about weddings and marriage customs but I found this one to be charming. “A Wedding in Mlynov,” from the that Ukrainian town’s Yizkor book recounts the memories of a young girl visiting her grandparents and getting swept up by the celebration. “Silkele,” says a neighbor, “dance for me like you do at home.” He tells the klezmerim to play a cheerful tune and she dances while the crowd claps enthusiastically. She hears someone saying: “Here is a worldly child.” Her description of the wedding has all the wonder of something seen through a child’s eyes.

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel

Re: How To Find A Date Of Death In NYC Prior To 1935/SSDI? #records #usa

Martin Kaminer

I'd like to express my gratitude to all the wonderful people on JewishGen for their kindness and generosity in sharing their knowledge. Renee in particular, whose powers are absolutely oracular, as well as everyone else.  You've helped shed light on a mystery that has hung over my family, particularly my father's generation, for nearly a century and caused many to suffer. The answers you provided have raised new questions but there is a welcome feeling of unburdening as some long-held myths fall away. Y'all did a major mitzvah. Thanks so much to all of you and Shabbat Shalom.
Martin Kaminer

Re: How To Find A Date Of Death In NYC Prior To 1935/SSDI? #records #usa

Sarah L Meyer in the NYC vital records section - you can use Italiangen or Familysearch and other sites as part of his one step pages.  That said, I went looking on both of these via for a marriage that I had found before as part of a presentation and it did not show up.  You might also check Reclaim the records (you will have to search for the link.
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: Godparents? #galicia

Gail H. Marcus

In my case, my parents still belonged to an Orthodox congregation at that time.  (But that may have been the only convenient option where we lived.)  We eventually joined a Conservative congregation.  Probably when I was about 12.  My great-aunt and -uncle had died by then, so whenever they were designated "godparents" must have been well before that time.

Gail Marcus

Re: Frieda Silverman Khotin Bessarabia born circa 1850 died in Khotin circa 1938 #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan


I do see two Freida Zilberman in Khotin uezd, born one in 1856 and a second in 1855. They seems lived not in Khotin,  but in towns in that same uezd (county), one family in town of Brichany and second in town of Lipkany.  Sometimes our ancestors, when asking where they are from, will give a name of a large town or a center of county or province.
If you know the names of Freida parents, that might help here.

Thanks,  Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia group Leader and Coordinator

Re: Translation of my grandfather's brother wedding details #poland #translation

Frank Szmulowicz

I would be interested in corrections to the translation below, as I am still learning to read Polish script.

Leib Horn, properly Hoffer, born and residing in Wiźnica, the son of Alter and Jenta Hoffer, residents of Wiźnica.

Marim Goldschmidt?, also Wieselman, known? in Kosowo, a daughter from a ritual marriage between Fajwel Wieselman and Hania? Goldschmidt? in Kosowo.

August 19, 1902

Official (perhaps the rabbi) Pinkas Hor...?
Witness Eisig Friedlander

Comments column (hard to decipher)
According to the birth certificate dated Wiźnica, August 9, 1902, the groom was born February 7, 1877, and according to the birth certificate volume IV, page 16, 
(she) was born .... July  15, 1877
Proof of ? of the groom dated Wiźnica,  August 15, 1901. 


Frank Szmulowicz

Re: View Mate Mystery Booklet - Identification & Translation #translation


Thanks for the links. I posted somewhere on Viewmate that my thought is the language is Sanskrit or something similar, I see others here have named Hindi and Nepali so I think we are all on the same page. As for the subject, Kabbala maybe?

Robert Roth
Kingston, NY

Re: How To Find A Date Of Death In NYC Prior To 1935/SSDI? #records #usa



Two suggestions which are free to search:
If you locate the record in the FamilySearch database, you can view a digital image of the certificate for no charge at any Family History Center.

David Passman
Dallas, Texas

Re: How To Find A Date Of Death In NYC Prior To 1935/SSDI? #records #usa

Fred Kolbrener

Have you searched on  Most of the death certificates from NYC are indexed AND partly extracted on family search.  You can get a free account on it.  If you are successful in finding the record of her death, you can download a copy of the record  once the LDS Family History Centers are again open to the public.  With regard to your father whose name you did not list, there were two or more Kaminer male births in NYC according to Familysearch.  

Another place to search is via which is available at many public libraries.  Ancestry will allow access free at libraries until the end of 2021.  However, you can’t download a copy of the death certificate there.  

You did not provide the name of the person whose data you are seeking, but since it was a sister to your mother, the name probably was not Kaminer.  You implied that this may have been an event that occurred outside of marriage, so you would be searching for someone with your mother’s maiden name.

Suggest you start your searches via Ancestry and  The latter you can do from your home computer.

Good luck.
Fred Kolbrener
Woodbridge, VA

Researching: KOLBRENER (LezaJsk); SCHWARTZ (Glogow Malapolski); ZINDEBAND (Minsk); LIFSHITZ (St Petersburg); JABELOW (Minsk); BOHRER (Lezajsk); POLLACK (Minsk); BLUMSTEIN/BLUMSZTEJN (Goworowo); FRETER/FRATER (Czyzewo)

Re: Searching for Information on Rabbi Samuel Miller of Scranton, Pennsylvania #usa #records


Hi Nancy, 

In your post you write that  you found some records indicating that  Samuel Miller was living in Scranton,  from about 1883 to 1903. I don’t know what  these records were but obviously they were inaccurate and misled you.

-The truth is that Samuel Miller arrived in the US in 1891 and he was joined by his family in the following year or (most probably) in 1893.

-According to her death certificate (attached) Fannie Miller was born in Austria  and  had lived in Pennsylvania for 3 years. Before  that,  in NY for 7 years. 

-From what it appears Samuel's wife's  name was Rose Stern. 

-Here is the 1900 census for the Miller family living in Westchester, NY

-By 1910 Samuel Miller was a widower and living with the family of one of his daughters

Giannis Daropoulos 


Re: How To Find A Date Of Death In NYC Prior To 1935/SSDI? #records #usa


Another place to look is cemetery burial records. Even if the family were keeping her death a secret, they would likely have buried her in one of the New York area Jewish cemeteries. In my family I have a great aunt who died in childbirth in 1919 and was buried in Old Montefiore in Queens. The record in the cemetery database indicates she was buried with her stillborn infant. JGSNY has a database of landsmanshaften cemetery plots within NY cemeteries, so if you think she might have been buried in a plot corresponding to the family’s shtetl you can see which cemetery to check. 

Susan Slusky
Highland Park, NJ

Aukstoji Panemune, Lithuania
Borisov & Smolyevichi, Belarus
Janow Lubelski & Frampol, Poland
Skala Podolskaya & Berezhanka, Ukraine

Re: 1809 Baden and Palatinate Name Adoption Lists #names #germany

Michael Moritz

FamilySearch actually has a huge amount of name adoption lists from western Germany but they often have the wrong name. For instance there is a slew of collections saying “Matrikel 1808” but they’re actually name adoption lists. Also, for many of the record sets that are identified as adoption lists, they often include many more towns than mentioned (eg a whole region instead of just a town). See here for example of different sets:*%20%2Bkeywords%3Anamen*%20%2Bavailability%3AOnline  
Michael Moritz
Director, Romania Research Division

Horodok, Belarus research #belarus #general


I'm researching a friend's roots in Horodok but need guidance to find relevant records.  Is there a seasoned Horodok researcher in JewishGen land who could advise me?  Thanks.
Evan Fishman

Evan Fishman
New Jersey
FISHMAN--Terespol, Poland
FINKEL-- Brest Litovsk, Belarus

Re: reconciling difference between family lore and Arolsen Archive information #france #holocaust


The answer id very simple as I know from my father story and historical facts. The prisoners of Auschwitz started on January 1945 the so-called “death march” into Germany and those who stay alive arrived also to Mauthausen where they were liberated by the USA army on 6th May 1945. Check again the Arolsen archives as they should have the personal liberation details.

Re: reconciling difference between family lore and Arolsen Archive information #france #holocaust

Vered Dayan

Not a direct answer to your question, but your family lore and the document you found don't necessarily contradict. Your uncle may have spent time in more than one camp. Actually some people, especially those fit for work, were often transferred from one camp to another 5,6,7 times across Europe. Perhaps as the ITS digitizes more of its holdings you will find his name in other lists as well.
Vered Dayan

Re: Brothers Moses Markus and Mendel Markus ben Samuel MARK (MARKUS) - 1845 Polangen Military List: 1) Are you related. 2) Who can add their ages to the ALD? #lithuania #general

Joyaa Antares

Bonjour Evelyne
J'ai reçu un certain nombre de messages comme le vôtre, me demandant si ma famille MARKUS est liée à la leur, mais malheureusement, MARCUS/MARKUS est un nom de famille très courant.
Ma question concerne une famille qui vivait sur la côte baltique (Palanga, Kretinga, Courlande) au milieu du 19ème siècle.
Si vous avez fait un test ADN, vous pourrez voir si votre ADN correspond au mien avec une quantité significative sur ascendance / FTDNA / MyHeritage / Geneanet.
Bien cordialement, Joyaa
Hello Evelyne
I have received a number of messages like yours, asking whether my MARKUS family are related to theirs, but unfortunately MARCUS/MARKUS is a very common surname.  
My question relates to a family who lived on the Baltic Coast (Palanga, Kretinga, Courland) in the middle of the 19th century.
If you have done a DNA test, you will be able to see if your DNA matches mine to any significant amount on ancestry / FTDNA / MyHeritage / Geneanet.
All good wishes, Joyaa Antares

How To Find A Date Of Death In NYC Prior To 1935/SSDI? #records #usa

Martin Kaminer

Hello All -

My father is nearly 90 and has just worked out that his mother had an older sister who may have perished, with her child, in a back-alley abortion, probably between 1930 and 1935. Tragically for all, but not atypically, her existence was kept secret after her death. I found her easily in the 1930 census right there in The Bronx with my grandmother and their parents. Finding the date or even the year of her death is proving more difficult.  My Dad was born in 1934 and believes this to have happened around the time of his birth, though he's not certain. I submitted a request to the NYC Dep't of Records to search all boroughs for the years 1930-1935 but as I don't have much info to give them I'd like to continue to explore on my own. I'm finding nothing in SSDI (which starts in 1935) nor in the New York, U.S., Death Index, 1852-1956.  I don't know much about the latter database but am perplexed as to why she wouldn't appear there.
My ultimate aim is to order a death certificate to shed a little light on this sad tale.  Any information I can find about the time and place of her death will aid in that.  I welcome your suggestions.
Martin Kaminer

Rabbis and Army Chaplains Applbaum family #rabbinic

Neil Rosenstein

Trying to make contact with members of this family which includes
Rabbi Joseph Applbaum, father of Amnon Marc, Avner Mordechai, Rami
(Avraham Kalonymus) and Ari Applbaum. They are descendants of the
Eckstein rabbinical family which traces back to the Spira Dynasty of
Neil Rosenstein.

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