Re: Recent lecture on TB sanatoria in the west #usa #jgs-iajgs

Ellen Shindelman Kowitt

Not sure which JGS had a recent tuberculosis sanitarium lecture, but any questions about the index to patient applications on JewishGen and the collection of the Jewish Consumptives Relief Society (JCRS) records held at University of Denver are welcome to contact me. I had lectured on this topic about ten years ago when this project was awarded the Stern Grant. JGS Colorado is planning to do an update to these records in the coming year. Search for surnames at
Ellen Shindelman Kowitt
Director, USA Research Division

JGS of Greater Boston Virtual Programs #announcements #education

Jessie Klein

September 19-1:30-4:30pm EDT Thomas MacEntee: Google for Genealogists & The Genealogy Do-OverTM: A Year of Learning from Mistakes. Free for JGS of Greater Boston members, $5:00 for non-members.  Information at

Oct. 3- 10:00am-12:00pm EDT Beginners Workshop on Jewish Genealogy. This program is free for non-members but registration is required at JGS of Greater Boston members will receive the link the morning of the program.

Jessie Klein
Co-President JGS of Greater Boston

Re: family trees - who copied my information #general

Marjorie Geiser


I've found the same, where I can tell people copied what I found to their tree. I've also found incorrect info on various trees for my family. I only bother to let my closest cousins know when I find, and can prove, incorrect info.

As for those who copy my tree, I don't even bother. If it bothered me that much, I wouldn't have a tree online. To me, it's worth the risk of WRONG info (or 'stolen' info if you want to call it that), because by keeping my trees, AND my DNA, online, I've been able to connect with relatives I never knew existed!

And, to that end, as a quick little aside (to finding relatives); thanks to DNA, I just talked to a second cousin I never knew existed until last week! He was able to fill in ALL the blanks I still had on one of my grandfather's sisters, who was his grandmother!

So, yeah, there are risks, but there are also rewards. I guess it all depends on our perspective, and what we hope to find/achieve in this journey of genealogy.

Margie Geiser
Arizona, USA



Re: family trees - who copied my information #general

Robert Hanna

They may not even be related.  I've had that happen to me as well many times.  The worst was when a woman stole my pictures and attached them to people in her tree that were not related to me.  It's like she was in a contest to see who could have the biggest tree with the most pictures.  I was able to reach her and GENTLY PERSUADE her to remove the pictures.

Robert Hanna


Re: KT teenagers placed North in Thirlby England 1939-40 #unitedkingdom

Michael Hoffman

In addition to the information supplied by David Harrison and Jill Whitehead make an application to World Jewish Relief at the following they have the files for about 55,000 refugees including on the Kindertransport who came to the UK before and after WWII.

Michael Hoffman

Re: Use of Family Search for one's family tree #general

Gerald and Margaret

I have found "Family Historian" very intuitive to use. They have recently launched a major update, now V. 7.
I speak as a computer "dinosaur," as I often become v frustrated when using a . computer based program.   You can even speak to a person if you can't find the answer elsewhere.  

Margaret Levin 
London UK

Re: PERLIN family (St. Louis; New Bedford; Orsha) #belarus

Gerald and Margaret

I suggest that you contact 'The Together Plan', a charity, based in
the UK and Belarus, which among many other projects, has a genealogical service.  As a way of helping Jews still in Belarus becoming used to earning money if they provide a good service, they can do genealogical research in Belarus on behalf of people in the West.  Their huge advantage is that they know the languages and understand the various bureaucracies.  
Do check out their website:-   What We Do

Margaret Levin
London UK

Re: Ancestry’s new rules #general

Raina Accardi

I use Photoshop to add watermarks to photos. Using layers and transparency. I assume any photo-editing program and possibly a good word processing program can do it. There are also online services that will do it.
Raina Accardi 
Saugerties, NY
Poland: GEVIRTZMAN in Kobylin; JESINOWITZ/YESNOWITZ in Mszczonów; FELSENSTEIN in Parysów.
Belarus: GUTTWOCH/GOODMAN and ZISSERMAN in Volchin; BUSHMITZ in Vysokaye.
Ukraine: TRAUB and JANOVSKY in Kolki, Sofievka, Radomysl, and Zhytomyr; WEISMAN or ROSENBERG.

Re: KT teenagers placed North in Thirlby England 1939-40 #unitedkingdom

Jill Whitehead

Kindertransport children are on both Ancestry and FindmyPast websites, where you can find their Alien Registration cards. Using this information together with the 1939 Register (also on FindmyPast, where you can download the original ) offers useful information for the addresses these children lived in in 1939. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK 

Details re family of Rabbi David ben Moshe (of Kletzk)-Novarodok 19th cent. #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari

I am researching possible family connection with a Rabbi David ben
Moshe of Kletzk who served as the Rabbi of Novarodok during the 19th
cent. He was also known as per book "galya Mesechta". In list of
rabbis of the above town/city his family name is not mentioned unlike
the rabbis before and after him.

Many years ago I was in touch with an AGOLNICK family who stemmed from
him. Also his son, Moshe, married a woman from Minsk, HOROWITZ and he
adopted that family name, though not a Levi.

Someone suggested the family name of the above Rabbi was TZCHEMERINSKY
(as the name of Vera WEITZMAN, the wife of Israeli president Chaim
WEITZMAN), but other TZCHEMERINSKYS I've contacted do not know of a
connection to Rabbi David. Also , Rabbi David came from Kletzk and
not a born Novarodoker.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

Re: family trees - who copied my information #general


It is not clear which family tree program/data base you are referring to, but unfortunately, this is a common issue with online genealogy databases, as most programs allow easy copy of information from one tree to another. This is the downside of online databases - anyone can copy them, edit them, add them to their own family tree and claim ownership. There is no control and no research or documented sources needed and most of these databases/websites don't even have the option of showing the source of the information.  Besides the personal frustration of the original researcher, it also causes errors to be copied again and again, until there is no way to tell correct information from wrong information. I find it all the time with my family tree which I uploaded to FTJP more than 20 years ago.  From there is was copied to and has been copied by others into their family trees in other genealogy databases countless times. When my database (MyHeritage) informs me of data match, I can tell , in most cases, that those trees are based on my original tree because like in Arline's case, there are pieces of information that only I would know. I even recognize errors that I previously made in my research I have since corrected in my own database. 
This is the main reason I decided not to upload my complete tree anymore. I have a basic tree in MyHeritage that goes back a few generations, for the purpose of connecting to relatives, but I did not upload the full tree, which goes back to the 11th century and took me more than 30 years to research, including countless hours at the library, prior to the internet . I gladly share and compare information with family members and other people on a personal contact basis, but for all the reason I listed above, I would not upload my entire tree for everyone to copy and claim as their own work.
Don't get me wrong - I do use information I find in online trees in my family research, but I only do that after carefully considering the information, comparing it to other information I have, reviewing the source (if available) and with detailed notes about the source and it's reliability. In most cases, I try to contact the person who posted the information to clarify the source(s) of that information before I use it.

Dan Efrat
Cherry Hill, NJ, USA (originally from Israel)
Researching: Israelite (from Novogrugok in Belarus and Latvia), Rabinowitz (Dyatlovo/Zhetl, in Belarus), Pruss (from Ukraine), Koifman from Ukraine and Goldblat (Ukmerge/Wilkomir., in Lithuania)

PERLIN family (St. Louis; New Bedford; Orsha) #belarus

Andy Monat

I am searching for information on the PERLIN family from Orsha, Belarus, who have a connection to my RIVLIN family from Orsha, with possible relatives who lived in St. Louis or New Bedford.

I am interested because my RIVLIN ancestors arrived at Ellis Island in 1914, and my great-grandmother Nechame RIVLIN (born Nechame HOLMAN/GULMANN) declared to a Board of Special Inquiry that she and her children who came with her are "natives and residents of Orszow Russia where I have uncle Juda Perli in good health". The ship manifest notes that her nearest relative in the place she came from was "Sister Fiadi Gulmann Bitepski Gob Russia" (meaning Vitebsk guberniya). My assumption is that the family name of "Juda Perli" is PERLIN, given a large number of documents about people named PERLIN in Orsha, both in the early 1900s and in Holocaust records.

I found an Ellis Island manifest indicating that a Dawid PERLIN (a bricklayer) immigrated to New Bedford, Massachusetts from Orsha, arriving at New York on 6 March 1904, going to his uncle Leib MINKIN. Another Ellis Island manifest indicates that a Zeilik PERLIN (a blacksmith) immigrated to St. Louis, Missouri from Orsha, arriving 29 October 1912, going to his brother Mordche PERLIN who lived at 1924 Biddle St, St. Louis. A number of other documents as well as graves indicate that members of those families lived in New Bedford and St. Louis for many decades.

(I have looked at JewishGen Family Finder and found two people researching PERLIN in Orsha. One is Becky SHULAK who has not logged in since before 2004; I would be happy to hear from relatives of hers if any are here. The other person I have attempted to contact over the years but never received a reply.)

Thank you,
Andy Monat
Massachusetts, USA
p.s. Feel free to be in touch even if you're reading this message many years after it was sent.

Fw: Rovno #poland



From: Lande
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 2:12 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Rovno

The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum has added a new collection to the Holocaust Survivors and Victims Database (HSV): Rovno, Poland Community Fee Contributions: February 1939. This collection includes 2,685 households in Rovno that paid community fees in Feb 1939.

You can request and immediately receive digital copies of the document in your email.  Start your search at  holocaust


Peter Lande

Washington, D.C.


Recent lecture on TB sanatoria in the west #usa #jgs-iajgs


I believe one of the JGS from the west coast or SW had a lecture recently about genealogical research related to the TB sanitarian? Can anyone help me locate it?


Jeff Fine
Montclair, NJ, USA
Family names/towns
Sekuran, Bessarabia (Shecter, Eisenberg)
Igumen, Minsk, Belarus (Ekelchik, Sussman)
Minsk(?) (Fine, Z(w)erlin)
Ulanow, Poland (Hassenfeld, Laufer, Reich, Ölbaum)
Warsaw (Treistman)

family trees - who copied my information #general

Arline and Sidney Sachs

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: 'stolen' family trees
From: "Arline and Sidney Sachs" <sachs@...>
Date: Sat, August 14, 2021 11:37 am
To: "main@..." <main@...>

I just checked the family tree section and saw that several people had
information from my family tree. There is a code number there, but I don't
know how to contact these people. No one but my sister and I called my
grandmother Oma (which means grandmother) yet all these people had her
name and Oma, so I know the material came from me  I have no idea how
these people are linked to me or why they have my data on their tree.
Since I know all my 8 second cousins - no first cousins, they must be
related further back - before 1800.

Arline Sachs
Springfield, VA 22150
research in Germany

Re: Use of Family Search for one's family tree #general


I recently downloaded My Family Tree, which seems to be fairly decent, but it is only for Windows, if I understand correctly.  Personally, I would not want to work on an Android system for complex data like this.  I like that this program stays on my computer, not in public. 
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Re: death notice and or obituary #usa


You may be able to find this at, which requires a subscription.  A friend who has a subscription found an article about my great-uncle who was killed in a NYC accident when he was, according to the death certificate crushed "between two cars," which we think were trollies or trains of some type.  She also found information on two family friends for me.  You may be able to access this site without a subscription through a library that has a subscription. 
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Re: death notice and or obituary #usa

Michele Lock

A good source for searching old New York newspapers is the site, or the related
There might have been something in a smaller NYC newspaper about the accident. You'll be able to tell what area of the city the accident took place, by which hospital the person was taken to, and perhaps locate a likely newspaper that way.

My understanding is that in New York City, newspaper obituaries were not very common, unlike in smaller cities and towns. Since Edward McMahon was Irish Catholic, he may have had an obituary in a newspaper for that community.

As for the wife Rose Bernstein McMahon, she would have been living with her husband at the time of his death, not someplace else. Their marriage certificate, however, would have listed her own address just prior to her marriage. 

You mention that she lived in Binghamton NY at some point. Do you mean that her parents and siblings were living in Binghamton at the time of her marriage? If this is the case, it is highly doubtful that her parents would have run an obituary for their son-in-law, since in your previous post, you said that no one ever spoke of this brief marriage. Running an obituary in a Binghamton newspaper would have been tantamount to announcing to all neighbors and relatives "Our daughter married a Gentile." (except a more derogatory Yiddish word would have been used). But it's still worth looking for, because you never know.
Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus

Re: KT teenagers placed North in Thirlby England 1939-40 #unitedkingdom

David Harrison <djh_119@...>

Anyone can search in UK National Archive for people who were in the Uk 29 September 1939,  This was when a registration of everybody was taken to provide Identity Cards and Ration Books, after the introduction of our National Health Service these registers were used until 1991 for everybody and kept updated locally, but for 1939 they included nearly everyone.  Many Search Engines have this information of people who would be known from their birth date to be over 100 years of age.  There are useful search notes on the National Archive web pages. which would have thought were easily found wherever you are on this planet.

David Harrison
Birmingham, England
Searching Netherlands (mainly Friesland), Van Rijn, Schaap. Drielsma, Stephany, de Joung
Poland (mainly East) Herszkowicz, Wreschinska

From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of ehrmann.paul@... <ehrmann.paul@...>
Sent: 14 August 2021 10:36
To: main@... <main@...>
Subject: [] KT teenagers placed North in Thirlby England 1939-40 #unitedkingdom
Does anyone have any information on the following on the Journey of a Kinder (our late father)
We have done my own research but unable to find any details

After general KT arrival in Harwich ( in our case Jan. 1939), our father , Kurt Ehrmann (11.7.1922) age 16,  was
relocated from Dovercourt (holding area during harsh winter) to Thirlby/Grange in North York (approx. 8 hours north)?
We believe he was moved to a farm owned and operated by a "Mrs. Hebden" (this is an artifact I was able to recover-see attached) which we believe is in the Spring of 1939.  
I would be grateful if anyone knows of this area or any other details pertaining to these events.
Thank you in advance.

Paul and David Ehrmann

Re: Bruchsteiner, Paris, 1900s #france


A tree on MyHeritage for the Brahinsky family says Rachel died Apr 9 1952 in Toulouse.  No source is given but this provides a path to pursue.  On Geneanet, there is at least one tree viewable with the free membership, and one tree owner  has the last name Brahinsky and may have more information.

Andra Marx
New Jersey, USA

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