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Re: Where candlesticks are from #general

Sharon Taylor
 

I have one candlestick that looks just like yours. Mine is only 4.5 inches tall. My great-grandmother Hudia Nemeth brought it to this country from the Stanislawow area. She arrived here in 1921. I’ve always wondered why there is just one, not two. Many explanations are possible. My great-grandmother used it on Shabbat when she stayed with my mother’s family.

I once attended a session on antiques and the expert said that candlesticks that sit on a footed platform, like yours and mine, are always made in Europe.

Sharon Taylor
Philadelphia, PA

Researching NEMETH, INGIER and BLOCH in Mariyampil, Stanislawow, and Tysmenytsya, Galicia

Researching WIESNER, FLEISIG, and KASTENBAUM in Kulikow, Lemberg, Zolkiew, Galicia, Kulykiv, Ukraine

Rappaport - Raguva, Lithuania


JewishGen's ALL NEW Genealogy for Gen X, Y and Z #announcements #education #general #guidelines

Nancy Holden
 

The JewishGen Youthsite for kids, parents and teachers is open as a BETA trial.

 

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Looking to trace great grandparents from Lithuania. #lithuania #records

aineumann@...
 

My grandparents, Zalmen Joseph Ha-Levi Shveyloch and Sheina Rocha Borr lived in Giedraiciai.  I think they may come from Moletai.  I am looking for records of birth, marriage and death.  I think Zalmen lived from about 1861 until about 1920.  Sheina Rocha was born in about 1856.  I have heard she lived into her 90's and died in a Shoah massacre but I can find no records.

Ann Neumann
aineumann@...


Re: Where candlesticks are from #general

Hilary Henkin
 

Are there any manufacturer marks on the bottom?  Those can indicate the mfr (there are several websites which have info on mfr marks), which in turn, could answer your question.

Hilary Henkin

On 8/21/2021 3:43 PM, Richard Sperber wrote:

An article by Ann Rabinowitz in this week’s JewishGen newsletter encouraged me to post the photo below of the candlesticks I inherited from my grandparents and ask if anybody can confirm that they were brought over from Europe as we’ve been told and, if so, from what region they might have come from.

 

If made in Europe, they would most likely come from either the L’wow area in Galicia, the Belarussian part of Grodno Gubernia, or the Chelm/Wlodawa region in Eastern Poland.

 

 

Thanks for your help!

 

Rich Sperber

Connecticut

 

Researching:

SPERBER, JOLLES SCHONHEIT (Western Ukraine)

ROSCH, KRELL, NEUFELD (Western, Ukraine)

SIEGEL, SEGALOWITZ, AZERNITSKY, SAPOZHNIK (Belarus)

LERER, FIDELMAN, MALAMED (Eastern Poland & Warsaw)

BERLINSKY, GOLDWEBER, BUCHBINDER (Eastern Poland)

 

 

 



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Re: ViewMate translation request - Old German Kurrent, #translation

beer_tom@...
 

And it is unreadable because the image is too small.
Tom Beer
Melbourne, Australia


Re: Where candlesticks are from #general

Israel P
 

My mother had that same set. I think they were bought in the US in the mid-1940.

Israel Pickholtz
Ashkelon
allmyforeparents.blogspot.com
endogamy-one-family.com

My genealogy research is electric.
It follows the path of least resistance.


Re: Marriage in London #unitedkingdom #general

David Ziants
 

Elynn Boss - The Hebrew word for "son of" is בן / ben.

Often, on a grave stone, this is rendered as an abbreviation ב"ר bet apostrophe resh which stands for ben reb /son of Mr. . This is no doubt the source of your error in using the word "bar" in your reply when mentioning Emanuel's Hebrew name.

Bar / בר is actually the Aramaic word for son of -  but rarely used today in a contemporary name for this.  This is used in the word bar-mitzva (a boy reaches 13 years old - lit. "son of commandment"), and there was Simon Bar-Kochba (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_bar_Kokhba), who was a Jewish general in the period of the Tannaim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannaim), and there are a few other similar examples. 

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David Ziants

Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel


Re: Help in explaining an inconsistency #usa #records

Stephen Weinstein
 

On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 12:21 PM, Elynn Boss wrote:
I am guessing that the 'died in Aug 1985' is for her SPOUSE and when she started collecting on his account. 
Her husband died in 1939.  See https://www.profbruce.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/young-john-stahl-corrected-2.pdf page 11 "Some time in the 1930s he moved to Los Angeles with his second wife, Clara Sackheim Stahl... Alexander died, like John of a heart attack, in Los Angeles in 1939. Giannis Daropoulos's research enabled newspaper searchings which found press reports of his death in the Los Angeles Times (13 Feb 1939, 21) ... beginning “...Alexander Stahl to be Buried Tomorrow” and continuing: Alexander Stahl...died... He leaves in addition to his brother, his widow, Mrs Clara Stahl..."

I suppose I don't know that this was her only husband; she could have remarried.
--
Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, California, USA
stephenweinstein@...


Re: Hebrew translation on gravestone #translation

Odeda Zlotnick
 

The dots are simply there instead of apostrophes when a letter is written instead of a full word or to signify a number.  Nothing mysterious, nothing mystical, and actually quite common.
ר' = רב
נפ' = נפטרה
כ'א' = 21

You could ask why a real apostrophe after the year -- I don't know.  In modern Hebrew, a double quote is often used instead of an apostrophe, hence תשי"א.  The apostrophe on the stone is in the wrong place.
 

--
Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.


Re: Hebrew translation on gravestone #translation

Dubin, David M. MD
 

Sorry the dotted letters only add up to 301. No idea what that signifies. Sorry. 

david dubin
teaneck nj 


Re: Seeking genealogists or genealogy help in Hungary #hungary #holocaust #records

Ross, Phil
 

I have personally used the services of Andras Koltai in Budapest, and I can attest that he is outstanding.

Philip Ross
Walnut Creek, CA


Re: Hebrew translation on gravestone #translation

Dubin, David M. MD
 

Shaindee daughter of mr Chaim Baruch
died 21 Shevat (5)711

four letters have dots over them. Bear with me. 
The Hebrew year was 5711, but the thousands place is usually omitted as it is here. Hebrew numbers take letters of the alphabet (the first ten letters signify 1-10, the next nine letters signify the tens from 20-100, and the last three letters signify 200, 300 and 400). Numbers 500 and up require several of the “hundreds letters”, so that 700 is written 400-300, and 900 is 400-400-100.
the dotted letters on this stone add up to 311, knocking off the thousands place and the first of the “hundreds letters” (400), leaving 311.  There must be a mystical reason for such things, as it is commonly done, but I don’t know the reason.

I take it back. The four dotted letters add up to 301. I’m stumped. 

david dubin
teaneck nj


Lodz Ghetto #poland

Lande
 

Peter Lande
Washington, D.C.


Where candlesticks are from #general

Richard Sperber
 

An article by Ann Rabinowitz in this week’s JewishGen newsletter encouraged me to post the photo below of the candlesticks I inherited from my grandparents and ask if anybody can confirm that they were brought over from Europe as we’ve been told and, if so, from what region they might have come from.

 

If made in Europe, they would most likely come from either the L’wow area in Galicia, the Belarussian part of Grodno Gubernia, or the Chelm/Wlodawa region in Eastern Poland.

 

 

Thanks for your help!

 

Rich Sperber

Connecticut

 

Researching:

SPERBER, JOLLES SCHONHEIT (Western Ukraine)

ROSCH, KRELL, NEUFELD (Western, Ukraine)

SIEGEL, SEGALOWITZ, AZERNITSKY, SAPOZHNIK (Belarus)

LERER, FIDELMAN, MALAMED (Eastern Poland & Warsaw)

BERLINSKY, GOLDWEBER, BUCHBINDER (Eastern Poland)

 

 

 


Re: Looking to trace family in Meppel #records

Pieter Hoekstra
 

This is a list of all MORGENSTERN registrations in Drenthe Netherlands. 4 are in Meppel. No Salomon or Israel.


--

Pieter Hoekstra 
Moss / Moses, De Costa - London and Brighton
Barnett, Da Costa, Lazarus, Joseph, Judah, Solomon - London


Re: Hebrew translation on gravestone #translation

Diane Jacobs
 

Sorry it should read Khaim not Khaia


On Aug 21, 2021, at 3:56 PM, Susan&David <rosens@...> wrote:

 Sheindel bat Chaim Baruch

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 8/21/2021 1:00 PM, Diane Jacobs wrote:
Sheindel bat Khaia Baruch

Hopes this helps.
Diane Jacobs


On Aug 21, 2021, at 12:43 PM, dbpdallas via groups.jewishgen.org <dbpdallas=yahoo.com@...> wrote:

Hello,

I would greatly appreciate translation assistance for the Hebrew inscription on Jennie Goldman's monument attached here. Many thanks in advance!



Kind regards,
David Passman
Dallas, Texas

--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Re: Marriage in London #unitedkingdom #general

Elynn Boss
 

I know that this won't help you, but I had to reply since this is SO coincidental to my family.  Was SO excited when you started out with Emmanuel Abrahams, born Russia.

My gr-gr grandfather was Emanuel Abrahams, born Oct 1860 in Russia and married to Leah Pauline Horowitz born about May 1860 in Russia.  They would have married about 1878 or 1879 in England - but I haven't bee able to find a marriage record for them, or when they came to England.  Their first child was Betsy, born 25 Nov 1880 in Whitechapel - I have her birth record.  My gr-grandfather Max was born 1881 in England - but I can't find his birth record.  I have the birth records (in England) for two subsequent children.

Emanuel's Hebrew name was Peres Menachen bar Yechiel.  Max's name was Yechiel Mordechai bar Peres Mendel (Mendel as you said Yiddish for Menachen).   Leah Pauline was Perel Leah bat Aron Moshe.   They all died in NYC.

So close yet so far away.
--
Elynn Boss
Frisco, Texas, United States
bossgen_1@...
Searching: Abrahams (New York); Gichtin/Gechtin/Gertin (Buffalo, New York and Canada); Dreishpoon (New York, Russia, France), Danovitch/Daynes (New York, Massachusetts, Poland/Russia) and associated branches.


Re: Hebrew translation on gravestone #translation

Susan&David
 

Sheindel bat Chaim Baruch

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 8/21/2021 1:00 PM, Diane Jacobs wrote:
Sheindel bat Khaia Baruch

Hopes this helps.
Diane Jacobs


On Aug 21, 2021, at 12:43 PM, dbpdallas via groups.jewishgen.org <dbpdallas=yahoo.com@...> wrote:

Hello,

I would greatly appreciate translation assistance for the Hebrew inscription on Jennie Goldman's monument attached here. Many thanks in advance!



Kind regards,
David Passman
Dallas, Texas

--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Re: Seeking genealogists or genealogy help in Hungary #hungary #holocaust #records

Beth Long
 

Karesz Vandor is indeed a fine genealogist. So is Andras Koltai (also based in Budapest).
 
Beth Long
Reno Nevada


Re: Help in explaining an inconsistency #usa #records

Elynn Boss
 

I am guessing that the 'died in Aug 1985' is for her SPOUSE and when she started collecting on his account.  The April 1992 date is most likely her actual death date.

This happened with my cousins grandmother.  Her spouse died in 1965, and she started collecting on his account.  Yet, I was finding the 1965 death date for her WHILE SHE WAS STILL ALIVE.
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Elynn Boss
Frisco, Texas, United States
bossgen_1@...
Searching: Abrahams (New York); Gichtin/Gechtin/Gertin (Buffalo, New York and Canada); Dreishpoon (New York, Russia, France), Danovitch/Daynes (New York, Massachusetts, Poland/Russia) and associated branches.

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