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Re: Russian Passports #russia

David Harrison <djh_119@...>
 


My understanding, which may be wrong is as follows.  In Czarist Russia the majority of people were serfs, under the sole control of their landlord/master.  They worked for no pay and the internal passport was proof that you were not an escaped serf to be returned to your master.  If you were in a Shtetl you were free of serfdom and needed this document to move about.

Passports have many different limitations; our UK passports until recently included our children and until about 1970 a wife could be included on the passport of a husband.   Until about 1920 a wife was part of a husband and was not mentioned on naturalisation papers although the children were AND if he died first, her nationality was only valid until a year after his death and then reverted, unless she had applied in her right.

Any rule in force at a particular time in a part of North America can easily be different from that elsewhere.

David Harrison
Birmingham, England

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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Russian Passports #russia
 
Hi June, 

I don't think they had any passport. As you write , since they were not American citizens they could not get one. The fact is that  even American citizens were not obliged to have passport in order to travel overseas back then. 

More details about passport applications, 
https://www.archives.gov/research/passport

Moreover, Poland was not a state in the late 19th century so  obviously there are no Polish passports. In 1891, when your grandparents arrived, immigrants needed just a ticket in order to arrive in the US. Therefore I doubt that there is a Russian passport either. 

--
Giannis Daropoulos 

Greece

Re: Where candlesticks are from #general

mpipik
 

I believe the conclusion from this discussion is that you can not tell where someone came from based upon the ownership of these candlesticks.  There is too much diversity in where the owners, as reported here, lived.

Jessica Schein
New York
Re: Leopold Hoschander Mystery Update #records

mab@...
 

You might want to look at this webpage where the US National Archives discusses death notices for US citizens who died abroad.
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Miriam Alexander Baker
Re: Help in explaining an inconsistency #usa #records

Linda Kelley
 

Also, to add to the mystery of Clara Sackheim Stahl’s death date, is that the 1992 death date would have made her 102 years old. Maybe someone stole her identity or there was an error somewhere.
Linda Wolfe Kelley
Portland, OR, USA
Re: Find records of Wiznitz town #romania #ukraine #records #austria-czech

Stanley Diamond
 



Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.   (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
 
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From: Stanley Diamond <smsdiamond@...>
To: main@... <main@...>
Sent: Tue, Jun 8, 2021 3:48 pm
Subject: Update on Galician records available from JRI-Poland #Poland #Galicia #records

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Although JRI-Poland is an independent non-profit organization with its own administration, volunteers 
and fundraising, JRI-Poland data is also searchable on JewishGen. This option helps new researchers 
discover sources of records for their families.  

Long-time researchers are aware that there are many more freely available options for searching on the
JRI-Poland website at https://jri-poland.org/

As for the search for records for "Wiznitz" - since there are at least two towns in Poland and two in Ukraine 
with soundalike names, where possible the current country should me mentioned in inquiries but if that is 
not known, the name of other towns associated with the family can be helpful in determining the right one.

Stanley Diamond
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


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Re: Find records of Wiznitz town #ukraine #records #austria-czech #romania
From: Ed Vogel
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 21:23:13 EDT

I have tried searching jri-poland directly, and only found the same records I found with jewishgen.  
Are there records that have not yet been made available online?  Do I have any other options?

 Thanks. 

Ed Vogel 
The Galitzianer: Call for Papers #galicia #announcements

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Is there still a Litvak Discussion Group? #lithuania

Susan Goldsmith
 

Is there still an active Litvak Discussion Group under Jewish Gen or separately?

Thank you,
Susan Goldsmith
SF Bay Area

Researching: GOLDSHMIDT, GITTES (GADIE, GADYE, GIDUT, GDUD, GOIDA) F(P)ILVINSKY, SHLOMOVICH (SHLIOMOVICH) Lithuania: Seta, Kaunas, Jonava, Ukmerge, Vandziogala, Kedainiai, Merkine, Vilijampole, Adutiskes, Zemaiciu Naumiestes
TOBIAS, BILINSKY, MIRANSKY, ROZHANSKY, PROTAS Belarus: Novyy Swerzhen, Stolbtsy, Yasevichi, Mir
GUREWICZ Belarus: Dauhinava, Vileyka
DROZHNIN Belarus: Ostryna, Dauhinava, Vileyka

KOENIGSBERG, WAKS(X)MAN Poland: Sandomierz, Ostrowiec
SONNENBLIK Galicia Poland: Lancut, Kanczuga

DAVIS (DAVID, DAVIDOWITZ, HAFNER Romania: Botosani, Roman
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Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area, CA, USA
jcwsmg@...
Researching GOLDSHMIDT, F(P)ILVINSKY, SHLIOMOVICH, GITTES (GADIE,GADYE, GIDUSH, GITES) Seta, Jonava, Kaunas, Adustiskes, Zemaiciu Naumiestes, Keidainiai, Ukmerge, Vandziogala, Lithuania
HOROWITZ, DRASNIN (DRASNE) Dauhinava, Belarus; TOBIAS (TOUBES, TOBES, TAUBES) Novyy Swerzhen and Stowbtsy, Belarus; ROZANSKY, BILINSKY, MIRANSKY Iasevichi, Belarus
DAVIS, HAFFNER Botosani, Romania
WAXMAN (WAKSMAN), KOENIGSBERG Sandomierz, Ostrowiec Poland
Re: Russian Passports #russia

Laurie Sosna
 

My great grandfather Sosna arrived in the U.S. in 1907.
He filed a Declaration of Intention in 1910, but I don't believe he completed the process.
He traveled back to Russia in 1914 to bring two of his children to the U.S. They sailed from Antwerp to New York.
I found their arrival manifest, on page 2 the question "Ever been in the U.S. before?" his is marked yes, with a notation "1907."
I believe he just had to buy a ticket, no other paperwork was needed.

One of my most beloved documents is the Russian passport for my great grandmother Levin.
Fannie immigrated to Montreal in 1911 with her 3 sons and her sister. 
Their names are written in Russian, German and French. It's got all manner of official stamps and signatures.
I often have to remind myself that it was issued when Nicholas II was still in power.

It also reminds me that getting out is very different than going back.

Laurie Sosna
San Francisco, CA
SOSNA: Ivonivka (near Yampil), Mogilev
GOIKHMAN: Rascov, Mogilev
LEVIN: Vilna, Dnipro
KOBB: Ukmerge
FRIEDSON: Ukmerge
Re: Brazilian Jewish Ancestry #latinamerica

Michael Hoffman
 

Start your research for family in Brazil on the Family Search website, they have have the passenger records that are recorded in Rio de Janero, I have found some of my family in this data set which have photographs attached to the record cards.

Michael Hoffman

Borehamwood,
HERTS, UK
Re: Looking to trace family in Meppel #records

N. ARONSON
 

Further to my previous post about Salomon Levi van Geens. I have now seen that his wife Leente Elias was also known as Lea Elias Gompers. Their son Levie Samuel (1777-1862), married to Saartje Philip Rotterdam and several of his children, are buried in Amsterdam. Several members of the Van Geens family were born in Meppel.

N. Aronson
ngaronson@...
Re: Seeking help in interpreting a Viennese death record from 1941 #records

m.rind@...
 

Thank you for your replies, Corinna and Evelyn/Christopher. Since posting my initial query I have found the records of my cousin Max's baptism and his wedding, which gave me further information about his wife, and I found information about the grave of his wife and her family in the Protestant cemetery of Vienna (Matzleinsdorf). The big surprise about the latter was that, according to the Web page, the remains of a "Max Riedl" were buried there in 1959. The name has to be a faulty transcription of "Max Ried," since there is no doubt about the identity of his wife. So now I am wondering: were Max's remains (perhaps merely ashes) reburied there eighteen years after his death, or did he fake his death in 1941 and assume another identity to escape persecution? The first option is, of course, the more likely, but the page does not give dates of death. I will see if I can get further information from the cemetery.
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Miles Rind
Cambridge, Mass.
Re: Russian Passports #russia

Jorge Sexer
 

As far as I know, a passport was necessary to leave the Russian Empire. But it was difficult and/or expensive to get, so many chose to pass the frontier illegally.

Jorge Sexer
France
Re: Looking to trace family in Meppel #records

N. ARONSON
 

There is a Salomon Levi (also known as Shmuel Zanvil) van Geens buried in the Jewish cemetery in Meppel who died 26-02-1831 at the age of 91, which would make his dob in approx 1740. He was born in Nijstad Geens in the province of Groningen (hence his name van Geens). His parents' names are given as Levij Kalmans (aka Jehuda leib) van Geens & Roosje Simons. His wife as Leente Elias. His tombstone can be seen at www.stenenarchief.nl under code (151)016 .
The plot thickens!

N. Aronson
ngaronson@...
Re: Russian Passports #russia

pathetiq1@...
 

Hi June, 

I don't think they had any passport. As you write , since they were not American citizens they could not get one. The fact is that  even American citizens were not obliged to have passport in order to travel overseas back then. 

More details about passport applications, 
https://www.archives.gov/research/passport

Moreover, Poland was not a state in the late 19th century so  obviously there are no Polish passports. In 1891, when your grandparents arrived, immigrants needed just a ticket in order to arrive in the US. Therefore I doubt that there is a Russian passport either. 

--
Giannis Daropoulos 

Greece
Samuel Markusz SMULYOVICS/SMILOVIC of Patskan'ovo #subcarpathia

Jacob Heisler
 

Hi everyone,

my uncle's grandfather was Samuel Markusz SMULYOVICS/SMILOVIC
(1887-1945). He was born and raised in what was then known as Patkos,
Bereg County, Hungary (today Patskan'ovo, Ukraine), although after
World War One he moved to the nearby city of Munkács (today Mukacheve,
Ukraine). My uncle heard two pieces of family lore about Samuel he'd
love some firm documentation on, and I was hoping someone on here
could help me find something on them. The lore in question is:

1. Samuel served in the Austro-Hungarian Army during World War One.
This fact repeatedly came up in my uncle's father's memoir, but it
never said anything about what he actually did during the War or where
he served. Does anyone know if there are any surviving military
records that could shed light on Samuel's military service, and if so
how I can access them?

2. Before and during WW1, Samuel was mayor of his native town of
Patkos. It was a fairly small place at the time, with about 1276
people and 129 Jews in 1910. Allegedly, Samuel's wife Hani SCHVARCZ
also served as mayor in Samuel's absence during the War (although I
suspect it was unofficially). Is there any way to find documents that
could not only confirm he was the mayor, but learn something about his
time as mayor?

Thank you in advance for any help people here can provide.

Sincerely,
Jacob Heisler
Norwalk, CT
Re: Leopold Hoschander Mystery Update #records

pathetiq1@...
 

Hi AJ, 

Here are some thoughts, 

- the fact that Leopold gave his address as the US consulate in Moroni does not necessarily mean that he was a diplomat. Most probably he gave that address for contact while he was residing there. 
- the Comoros in 1971 were still part of France. That means that maybe you will have to search in French records in order to find more information about his death. 
-According to his sister's obituary dated from 1965 Leopold's permanent residence was in Austria. It is more probable that his wife made the arrangements to have him buried there. Maybe search also Austrian records. 

Good luck with your research. 
--
Giannis Daropoulos 

Greece
Re: Find records of Wiznitz town #ukraine #records #austria-czech #romania

Ed Vogel
 

I have tried searching jri-poland directly, and only found the same records I found with jewishgen.  Are there records that have not yet been made available online?  Do I have any other options?

 Thanks. 


Ed Vogel 
RANBAM Family From UMAN #usa

dps1107@...
 

An ITZIG RANBAM (b. ca. 1888) immigrated to the U.S. in 1909 listing his wife JENTE RANBAM as living in UMAN. Itzig lists Uman as his last residence and place of birth (possibly SARNY).

He also lists my great great grandfather S.A. Krone (from Teplyk) as a cousin. The manifest is attached (see row 9).

I cannot find anything about Itzig or the Ranbam family in the United States or elsewhere. I would be grateful for any information in order to determine the relationship between the two.

Kind regards,

Dan Schley
dps1107@...
Seiden and Bock family #usa

Neil Rosenstein
 

Looking to make contact with the family of Abraham Seiden (married
Feige, daughter of Rabbi Yitzchak Eizik Langner, Admur Stratyn, born
in 1875 and died in New York on July 19, 1949 and includes their
children - Aaron Seiden and his sister Lillian who married Alfred
Sweet) and Feige's sister Taube who married Jacob Meir Bock of
Brooklyn (mother of Gladys Kugler (Harold), Norma Bock, Howard Bock,
Seymour Bock and Claire (married Jacob Goldman).
Neil Rosenstein
Brazilian Jewish Ancestry #latinamerica

Geoff Kaiser
 

Hi All,
 
I have located a document that shows a direct relative of mine (Martin Kaiser) emigrated to Curitiba in Brazil in March 1960 where his parents (Josef and Vera (Lichtenstein)) were living.  What are the best resources for researching in Brazil?
Thanks
Geoff Kaiser
Melbourne, Australia
7401 - 7420 of 668656