Re: Wedding record #poland #translation


Hi Shimi,

Please see below a translation:

Jakób Spasser, born and living in Żabie, cattle merchant - illegitimate son of Mordka Samson Vogel and Sura Spasser both living in Żabie

Aged 34 years, 2 months, single

Dwoire Hoffer in Wiźnica, illegitimate daughter of Alter Horn and Jenta Hoffer, both living in Wiźnica

Aged 29 years, 6 months, single

Kind regards,

Jonathan Spencer-Todd
Oxford, UK

Re: Why were so many children labeled "illegitimate" in Birth Registration (Metrical) Books of Subcarpathia - late 1800s #hungary


Just to agree with most people.  I was surprised to find that my great-grandparents (originally from Galicia but then living in Budapest) had a synagogue wedding in Vienna in 1905.  They already had four children by that stage, all duly recorded as legitimate in the Budapest births register.  The notes to the 1905 wedding specify that 
The ritual marriage took place in Pest in the year 1880.   
If anyone has any idea why they chose Vienna, rather than Budapest, for their second wedding I would be interested.  My best guess is a romantic holiday.

As to the familianten laws.  I do not think that they applied to the Munkacs area.  

Tom Beer
Melbourne, Australia

Seeking information re the SS President Doumer voyage from Marseilles to Shanghai #france


Dear Group

I'm currently trying to ascertain the date when the SS President Doumer departed from the port of Marseilles, France, bound for Shanghai, China. My parents and sister were passengers on the ship, which possibly left Marseilles late 1938 or early 1939. I would also be interested to know the route the ship took from Marseilles and whether any passenger lists still exist.

Best wishes,

Rose Raymen

Perth, Western Australia
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My lost sephardic ancestry #sephardic


Hello, I am from Jordan and we have a family story talking about how my mom's side came from spain after the expulsion of Jews, although I couldn't prove that.
I did a dna test on Myheritage, and the results showed that I had 55% Jewish ancestry, You can see them in the pictures below.
I don't know how I can get records about my family and ancestors, I want to prove my sephardic ancestry to get a Spanish nationality, I also want to retrieve my lost heritage, how can I find someone that will help me find my lost family tree?

Qotaiba Fraihat

Re: Digitization of Jewish records from towns in the former Kiev uyezd #ukraine #records #russia

Ted Gostin

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 05:01 PM, Ted Gostin wrote:
In addition to finishing the digitizing of the Jewish birth, marriage, divorce and death records for Kiev city, the E-Archives of the Central State Historical Archives of Ukraine in Kyiv (CDIAK) has also started to digitize the Jewish vital records of other towns in the former Kiev uyezd (district or county).  In fond 1164, opis (inventory) 1 is the Jewish vital records for Kiev city.  Opis 2 contains the Jewish vital records for other towns in Kiev uyezd
An update to my previous post.  As of today (27 Aug 2021), CDIAK has now digitized up through sprava (item) 100 in fond 1164, opis 2, meaning they have added another 10 files to what has been digitized for towns in the former Kiev uyezd.  The newest 10 files represent records for the town of Dimer from 1879 to 1884.  The main archives' website hasn't posted an update on digitization for several months, so I noted these new files simply by checking the list of files in opis 2 to see which of them had links to actual digitized records.  I'll continue to check on these over the last few months of the year, and post additional updates here.  Keep in mind that with 457 items in this opis, it may take them a long time to digitize them all.
Ted Gostin

Uncle of R' Samuel b. Aryeh Leyb Deiches, Dayan in Vilna ca. 1750 #lithuania

Adam Cherson

In the article 'Deiches' from the Jewish Encyclopedia, Louis Ginzberg writes:

"Samuel b. Aryeh Löb Deiches:

Lithuanian rabbi; died at Wilna March 23, 1825. His father was rabbi at Lida, near Wilna; his grandfather, called Elijah Arkes ("Arke" is the diminutive of "Aaron"), was a native of Cracow. On his mother's side he was a nephew of the dayyan of Wilna—"the great Simeon." Like the latter he was for many years one of the dayyanim of Wilna, and was famous for his devotion to the study of the Talmud. Many of the works printed at Wilna during his term of office bear his printed approbation. His brother David was the father of Elijah Judah Deiches; his other brother Meïr was dayyan at Kovno." (

Does anyone know who 'the great Simeon', dayan of Vilna circa 1750 may have been, and whether any of his genealogy is known?

Adam Cherson

Re: Where is Lakma, Hungary? #hungary

Dan Rottenberg

Thanks, everyone, for your help. Thanks to you, I now see that the village of Lak, 17 miles north of Miskolc, is the most likely candidate. And it helps reinforce my conjecture about relationships between my Klein and Spielberger relatives who lived in that area before migrating southward to Miskolc.
Dan Rottenberg
Philadelphia PA

Re: Jacobson family in Waco, TX #usa

Sherri Bobish


This must be the family living in Waco in 1930. 
Julius is proprietor of dry goods store.
Household              Role        Sex        Age     Birthplace
Julius Jacobson     Head       Male       43       Poland
Hannah Jacobson  Wife        Female   40       Poland
Alex Jacobson       Son          Male       22      Poland
Taube Jacobson    Daughter   Female  18      Poland
Sidney Jacobson   Son           Male        8      Louisiana
Esther Jacobson    Daughter  Female    4      Louisiana

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish
Searching:  RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON, Ariogala, Lith.
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN, Ustrzyki Dolne (Istryker), Pol.
BOJDA / BERGER, Tarnobrzeg, Pol.
LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD, FINK, Daliowa / Jasliska, Pol.
SAKOLSKY / SOLON / SOLAN, Grodek / Bialystok, Pol.
BOBISH, Odessa?

Sources for Finding Locations in Austro-Hungarian Empire #Hungary #Austria #Galicia #Austro-Hungarian Empire #hungary #galicia

Vivian Kahn

Edward Luft has asked me to post the following message, which he sent to me following discussion on place names.

Hello Ms. Kahn,

Please allow me to suggest another resource. the most comprehensive list of locations is to be found in the Austro-Hungarian Empire is in the following 1905 publication, available free and anonymously online:
von Kendler, Josef and Carl, Orts- und Verkehrs-Kexikon von Oesterreich-Ungarn, Wien, 1905. See*&searchType=0&recCount=25 You can access the website directly at

You might like to read my articles on the book:
1. “Kendler’s Orts- und Verkehrs-Lexikon Can Now Be Searched Online Free of Charge,” Gen Dobry!, Volume XII, No. 4, April 2011, pp. 2-3. Reprinted in
ZichronNote: The Journal of the San Francisco Bay Area Jewish Genealogical Society, San Francisco, California, Volume XXXI, No. 3, August 2011, pp. 4 and 12; Noted in a lengthy interchange of Emails on the issue of finding records on a Jew born in the eighteenth century in a small village in Burgenland, in Steichen, Thomas, ed., The Burgenland Bunch News: Dedicated to Austrian-Hungarian Burgenland Family History, BB News No. 217 of 31 January 2012, published only online. Elucidated and amended in “Letters to the Editor,” Gen Dobry!, Volume XVI, No. 4, 30 April 2015, p. 3, and in “Letters to the Editor,” Gen Dobry!,Vol. XVII, No. 2, 29 February 2016, p. 3. Noted in Facebook at
1029059357116219 A similar but expanded version: “Austro-Hungarian Empire Lexicon New Online,” Vol. XXXII, No. 4, Winter 2016, p. 83. Under the heading, “Austro-Hungarian 1905 Gazetteer,” Phyllis Kramer posted a notice on JewishGen on 4 July 2017 about accessing Kendler’s Orts- und Verkehrs-Lexikon. See the general JewishGen Discussion Group,
Edward+Luft~367;6; and the Galician SIG,;6

2. “Updates on sources by Kendler and Vasmer,” Gen Dobry!, Volume XVI, No. 4, 30 April 2015, p. 3. See comment by Luft in “Letters to the Editor,” Gen Dobry!, Volume XVI, No. 4, 30 April 2015, pp. 3-4 and at See the Facebook note at

3. Eli Rabinowitz’s announcement of the posting of “Useful Resources by Edward David Luft - A New Website,” with respect to European Rates of Fare, Kendler’s Orts- und Verkehrslexikon von Oesterreich-Ungarn ..., The Jews of Posen Province, etc. on his blog, On the JewishGen website, Phyllis Kramer has posted a note under the subject “Austro-Hungarian 1905 Gazetteer” that the Library of Congress website for the Kendler gazetteer is discussed in
1905+Gazetteer~332;6 /, where she refers to the gazetteer as an “encyclopedia,” which it is not.

4. “Additional Resources to Locate Ancestral Towns in Eastern and Central Europe,”
Avotaynu: The International Review of Jewish Genealogy, Teaneck, New Jersey, Vol. XXXVII, No. 1, Spring 2021, p. 67. Discusses works by Kendler and Vasmer, as well as the booklet, “European Rates of Fare” and online access to each, when available.

You might like to see if any of my other articles is useful to you by consulting my bibliography, a link to which is listed below my name.

I hope that this additional information is helpful to you and those whom you help.

Edward David Luft
Juris Doctor
Vivian Kahn, Santa Rosa, California
Researching families including:
BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/GROSZ. Avas Ujvaros, Hungary/Orasu Nou, Romania
KAHAN/JOSIPOVITS/DUB, Sziget, Kabolacsarda, Nagyvarad, Hungary/Sighet, Ciarda, Oradea, Romania
KOHN/Zbegnyo/ Zbehnov, Tarnoka/Trnavka, Slovakia; Cleveland  LEFKOVITS/Kolbasa/Brezina, Slovakia
MOSKOVITS/Honkocz, Szobranc, Osztro, Kassa, Hungary/Chonkovce, Sobrance, Ostrov, Kosice, Slov., Nyiregyhaza, Hungary
ELOVITS/Hornya, Hungary/Horna, Slovakia
NEUMANN/Szeretva, Kereszt, Nagymihaly, Miskolc, Hung./Sobrance, Kristy, Stretavka, Michalovce, Slov. 
POLACSEK/Hunfalu, Hungary/Huncovce, Slovakia
SPITZ/Nikolsburg/Mikulov, Prosnitz/Prostejov, Moravia/Czech Republic; Kismarton/Eisenstadt, Hungary/Austria; Hunfalu,Hungary//Huncovce, Slovakia

PotatoNik (not kugel!) #general


Does anyone know a recipe for Potatonik?  I’ve tried the NY Times recipe online, and it’s not what I knew and loved.

Growing up, we never had potato kugel. My “Bubba” (not Bubbie, not Bobbie) always made Potatonik!  Her family was from Galicia, south of Przemysl and Western Ukraine (Ustrzyki Dolne, Posidov-Nowy Miasto, and Mostyska.) Potatonik used to be sold in the bakeries but now it has disappeared. 

Reba Harris Solomon

Question About a Royal Warrant (UK) #unitedkingdom

Eric Ellman



There is a family legend that my great-great-grandfather, Israel Cohen, had a Royal Warrant issued by Queen Victoria to allow him, a cobbler, to repair shoes for the royal family.  Legend also says that this Warrant may have been obtained by Israel’s daughter, my great-grandmother, Rebecca Cohen.  This claim seems a bit far-fetched to me, but it’s worth exploring.  I would be grateful for anyone who can point me sources where I can confirm or deny this legend.  Is there a database/list of Royal Warrants?



(1)  Israel Cohen was born c. 1864 in Poland and died in 1910 in New York.  Israel arrived in the U.K. c. 1891 and left for New York (via St. Johns, N.B.) in February 1901 on the S.S. Lake Ontario, with the entire family. 

(2) Rebecca Cohen was born in the U.K. in 1892 (perhaps June). Rebecca left for New York, as above, in Feb. 1901. 

(3) Israel and his wife Anna were married in Poland.  They had five children, all of whom were born in the U.K., Rebecca (1892), Jenny (1894), Gertrude (1896), Benjamin (1900), and Rose (1901).

(4) I have nothing about the Cohen family's stay in the U.K. from c. 1891 - Feb. 1901.  I cannot find them on census information, nor can I find birth information about the five children born in the U.K.


I thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide on Royal Warrants, or otherwise.


Shabbat shalom,


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Eric J. Ellman

North Bethesda, Maryland

United States of America




Eric J. Ellman
N. Bethesda, MD



Searching: COHEN (London), COIRA, (Minkovsty, Ukr.), ELLMAN (Minkovsty, Ukraine), FAGIN (Dvinsk, Latvia), GREENBERG (Rzeszów, Galicia), GRUDMAN/GRUBMAN (Kedainiai, Lit./Riga, Lat.), KOTZEN (Riga, Lat./Birzhay, Lit.), KREIGER (Riga, Lat./Kedainiai, Lith.), LUFFER, ((Riga, Lat./Birzhay, Lit.), MAIDMAN (Minkovsty, Ukr),ROSENBERG (Lomza/Nowogrod, Poland), STORCH/STOCK (Rzeszów, Galacia), STERN (Narajow/Narayiv, Galicia), SZRENZIL (Narajow/Narayiv, Galicia), WYSZYNSKI (Mlawa, Poland)

Re: Why were so many children labeled "illegitimate" in Birth Registration (Metrical) Books of Subcarpathia - late 1800s #hungary

Susan stone

Hi susan S...
Basically everyone already had good explanations but the simpilest one is....They just  had a Jewish Marriage!  My grandmother in Hungary and  all the rest were labeled "illegitimate".  AND...they had the mother's name.
Believe me I was shocked 20 years ago.

Susan S.
Evanston, IL

Austria town #austria-czech

Jeff Miller

In searching Ellis Island arrivals to New York during the 1899-1913 period, there are the following spellings of a town or towns in Austria that I am trying to identify, which include Chorsothow, Chodkovec, Chorwatkow, and Chorostkow.


Any idea of what the actual name was or is today?


Thnak you,


Jeff Miller

Maryland, U.S.


Re: Solving a burial mystery #usa

Robert Hanna

I have found graves at cemeteries where the cemetery had no listing for that grave.  He might be buried in a section for people from a particular town that they were from in eastern Europe.  If you know the town, you might try looking in that section.

Robert Hanna


Re: Where is Lakma, Hungary? #hungary


I recently learned of the Hathi Trust Digital Library at

While looking for the town where my Spielberger family lived, I found a book that appears to be a list of Austrian Hungarian towns and their counties and districts from 1773.  This book may also be on Google Books, I have not looked.

I'm attaching a screenshot of the page with several names that might be related to "Lakma" including many that are not highlighted.

The book is called 
Magyarország helységeinek 1773-ban készült hivatalos

This may be a direct link to the book, but I am not sure if you have to be signed into the Hathi Trust to see it:
#6 - Magyarország helységeinek 1773-ban készült hivatalos ... - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library

Reading this book is a stretch for me - every word has to go into a translation program, and not all the words come out in English!  But several of the towns look like they could be written as "Lakma" if they were recorded by how they sounded.

Please keep us posted.  I am still trying to figure out if the Hungarian/Slovakian Spielberger family is one big family (I've connected 3 large branches who have no living memory of each other) or if it is just a common name.



Peggy Mosinger Freedman

Spira family in Boston #usa

Neil Rosenstein

Trying to make contact with the family of Jacob Spira who lived in
Boston, father of Bracha Leora (married Richard Orbach) and Judah Amir
Neil Rosenstein

Re: Solving a burial mystery #usa


FamilySearch has Lavik listed as Louis. Was this name tried? 

You might get some help from the Rhode Island Historical Association  -

Dassy Wilen
Searching: Hirsch, Flohr, Wilensky, Trembitsky

This weeks Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks #poland #JewishGenUpdates

Bruce Drake

One reason I like the many chapters about a town’s market day that appears in their Yizkor books is the detail about the food, the goods being peddled, the arguments, the bargaining, and the characters you meet there. Each one of these kinds of chapters have their own special charm. Such is the case with this excerpt from “Krinik During the Week” from the book of that Polish town.
All the stores, booths and stalls are besieged. The women work hard at haggling over a fowl to buy for Sabbath. Jews walk around among the densely placed wagons of peasants who come from nearby villages, rummage in the sacks and haggle some more. In the restaurants and eating houses, peasants sit with companions, treating themselves to vodka and snacking on herring and sausage.
At day’s end, Jewish storekeepers add up the cash, thanking God there will be enough to repay their loans, money for tuition and enough to make the Sabbath. As business winds down, the market place looks like the aftermath of a battle. Quickly, “it catches its breath and is wrapped in silence.”

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel

Re: Brazilian Jewish Ancestry #latinamerica


I lived in  Curitiba as a child and have found much information regarding my Dutch/Portuguese ancestors through the Latter Day Saints family history centres. You can send off for census films,naturalization records,BMD records from their vaults in Salt Lake City ,US and can view them at their family history centre.
Good luck with your research..
Maureen Gill  -,Canada

Re: Why were so many children labeled "illegitimate" in Birth Registration (Metrical) Books of Subcarpathia - late 1800s #hungary


I see that Munkacs was within Austria-Hungary. Were the Familiant laws in effect there? These restricted the legal permissions to marry among Jews in Bohemia, Moravia, and Austrian Silesia. In some locales one is continually finding, in the records of the 18th and early 19th centuries, Jewish births recorded with only the mother named and the birth marked "unehelich," though in some cases there is a note naming the father and recording that he acknowledged the child as his own. After the Familiant laws were repealed in 1849, many Jewish children were retroactively declared legitimate and allowed to assume their fathers' surname.
Miles Rind
Cambridge, Mass.

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