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Re: PotatoNik (not kugel!) #general

Jules Levin
 


On 8/28/21 9:23 PM, Odeda Zlotnick wrote:
Bulbes בולבעס was my aunt's term for potatoes.  She was born in Belarus, that's Yiddish.


This Yiddish word is borrowed from Lithuanian bulve 'potato'.  Much of what is now Belarus was Lithuanian-speaking until the 20th Century.  I believe this is limited to Litvak Yiddish.  Potatonik is clearly Yinglish--unknown anywhere east of Ellis Island.

Jules Levin




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Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.

Israel's Supreme Court Rejects Lawsuit Seeking to Recognize Holocaust Victim Who Suffered Under Vichy Laws in Morocco #announcements #holocaust #israel

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

 

Israel’s Supreme Court rejected a lawsuit by Moroccan immigrants to Israel asking they be recognized as Holocaust victims and granted compensation under Israeli law. The suit has been a ten-year legal battle.

 

The suit originally went to the Haifa District Court which rejected the suit and the plaintiffs sought to appeal. With the Supreme Court saying it would not hear the appeal, the matter is ended.

 

The Court’s rationale for rejecting the appeal was, “because the deprivation of liberty suffered by Moroccan Jews during World War II didn’t meet the criteria set by the law on compensating victims of Nazi persecution.” The harm they suffered “consisted mainly of a reduced ability to integrate into the job market and acquire an education outside the Jewish community, alongside undermining some community members’ ability to choose their place of residence.

 

If successful, the lawsuit would have meant payments totaling an estimated $123 million to Moroccan immigrants, according to Haaretz.

 

The Moroccan Jewish plaintiffs who brought the case can still challenge the decision by petitioning for a hearing before an expanded panel of Supreme Court justices.

 

To read more see:

https://www.jta.org/2021/08/27/israel/israeli-supreme-court-rules-that-jews-of-morocco-are-ineligible-for-holocaust-compensation

 

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 
Re: PotatoNik (not kugel!) #general

Jules Levin
 

I got the real thing from a Lithuanian woman in Vilna married to a Jew.  She had to get it right. Your two recipes can hardly be authentic, since they didn't use blenders in the shteytl.  (How did your mother use a blender by hand?)

The peeled potatoes are soaked in cold water over nite; this was missed in your recipes.  The potatoes are grated, not blended.  If you want the authentic texture, grate!  Besides the salt and pepper, you need to add garlic.  The Jews' use of garlic was a stereotype in Eastern Europe; you can't omit it.  Also, the name is kugel.  This is so Jewish that it is one of the few Yiddish words borrowed into Lithuanian--kugelis.  It is also borrowed into Polish and Russian.  Your Polish recipe is a little too la-de-la to be authentic.  I'm surprised it didn't call for a pinch of sugar!

Authentically yours,

Jules Levin,

Los Angeles

On 8/28/21 5:17 AM, eslteacherdenise@... wrote:
Hello Reba,
Like you, my Bubba always made Potatonik (we nicknamed it, Nik, as kids).
Recipes differ from region to region and I have two.
My mother's was as follows:
take lots of peeled potatoes (raw) and put them in the blender
pour into a big bowl, add eggs, matza meal, and finely grated onion
season with lots of salt to taste. Add lots of vegetable oil Mix together. (She did it all by hand)
Work quickly or else the potatoes will turn color. Oil a pan generously and pour the mixture in.
Put in the oven at 350F and bake at least an hour or more until dark brown. 

The other recipe comes from a Polish lady.
2.5 LBS of raw potatoes
1.5 cups of chopped raw onion
2 eggs
1/2 tsp salt and pepper
1/4 tsp ground pepper
1/3 cup all purpose flour
 1-2 tsp of fresh herbs (thyme, rosemary or parsley
1) Peel and dice potatoes. Keep in cold water until ready to blend.
2) Dice onion and saute until golden. Set aside. Chop herbs and set aside.
3) Preheat oven to 350F. Grease a 9X5 loaf pan.
4) Place potatoes, eggs, salt, pepper in a blender. Blend until smooth. Then place
mixture in a large mixing bowl, add herbs and flour and hand mix until combined.
Pour mixture into loaf pan. Bake about 90 min until outside is golden brown and
middle is dry and set.
Serves 6-8.
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Denise Lascelle (nee Cudeck) searching Gliklich/Trost/Cudeck
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
eslteacherdenise@...

Re: PotatoNik (not kugel!) #general

Odeda Zlotnick
 

Bulbes בולבעס was my aunt's term for potatoes.  She was born in Belarus, that's Yiddish.
--
Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.
Re: Transcription Needed #translation

Odeda Zlotnick
 

Shim'on == Simeon
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Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.
Re: Austria town #austria-czech

Odeda Zlotnick
 


JewishGen Communities Database

Try the following search, which limits results to pre WWI Austrian empire, and to towns that Start With  Cho


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Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.
Russian army recruits 1880s #russia

Roberta Berman
 

I have heard and read stories about Jewish brothers living with different families to avoid being in the army in Russia. Or using different surnames. All of it being anecdotal.

Where can I find proof of this? Is there a Russian law somewhere that states the requirements or exemptions for Jews serving in the army in the 1880s?

Roberta Berman
Sunny Southern California
Researching: OPPENHEIM from Brest-Litovsk, WEISBERG from Kiev, CHAMEIDES
Ukrainian Jewry #yizkorbooks #ukraine

Marguerite D. Allen
 

Does anyone have info on the jews of Ungvar ... (Uzhgrod)????
By · #316074 · 01/02/00
My grandfather Vilmos de Huszar was born in Munkacs and moved to Ungvar when he was a child. His family was so poor he had to leave school for several years to work as a printer's apprentice.  He made up those years of school later after a few months of study. He writes about his years in Ungvar in Eletem Regenye (The Story of my Life).  In those years his name was Fisch Vilmos and he had many family members living there.
Hope this helps.
Marguerite
 
Re: PotatoNik (not kugel!) #general

Belinda Dishon
 

My family come from near Zolochov. We call it ‘Boolbenik’ Yum!
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Belinda Dishon
Melbourne Australia
bdishon1@...
PECZENIK JACKER PRAGER KATZ KURZER
Transcription Needed #translation

VirginiaC
 

Can someone please tell me the name of Solomon's father, listed on the top of his tombstone.

Thank you.
Virginia Cohen
Hunting for Newman Eligator from Russia #russia

Bruce Clark
 

Looking for anything on Newman Eligator who likely immigrated from Russia in 1887.
Bruce Clark
Re: Uncle of R' Samuel b. Aryeh Leyb Deiches, Dayan in Vilna ca. 1750 #lithuania

Adam Cherson
 

Thanks for the tips, everyone. I located a record from the Old Snipishok Cemetery provided by LitvakSIG:

Surname

Given Name

Father

Age

Comments

day

month

year

Town

Uyezd

Guberniya

Type of Record

page

No. on map

 

PREGER

Avraham-Shimon

Tzvi-Hirsh

 

Gregorian date of death 1776/1777. Nickname: 'Rabbi Shimon Hagadol (the Great)'. Righteous teacher

5537

Vilnius

Vilnius

Vilnius

Snipiskes Cemetery


I am confident the rabbi was Avraham-Shimon ben Tzvi-Hirsh Preger and known as R' Shimon Hagadol. On some trees the surname is being given as Freger.

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Adam Cherson
Re: Uncle of R' Samuel b. Aryeh Leyb Deiches, Dayan in Vilna ca. 1750 #lithuania

Adam Cherson
 

Thanks Jill, I now see that R' Salis is the 2x great grand nephew of R' Avraham Shimon Preger, HaGadol, Dayan of Vilna circa 1750
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Adam Cherson
Re: My lost sephardic ancestry #sephardic

Paula & David
 

I also have a passed-down family story about my father’s family having been in Spain before the inquisition, escaping to Izmir Turkey, and later to Poland and then Hungary. One way I have validated this story is to get a male cousin on that family line to do a Y-dna test, because these results go back @ 500 years, rather than the couple of hundred for autosomal dna. I discovered about a 10% or so of the matches had Hispanic names,( many of which were also cohanim matches,) which I have been told is very unusual for an “Ashkenazi” Jew . No one had my actual surname, I assume because my links to these matches go back before the early 1800;s.

I do not know if you have any cousins who are male descendants of that family line, or if the same would work for the mtDNA test. I also do not know if this genetic connection to Hispanic folks would be sufficient for your purposes.

Good luck, Paula Solomon
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Paula Solomon

researching:   WAXMAN, FLAKSMAN, SHULMAN, from the area near Chelm/Lublin Poland
SOLOMON, WEISZ, BERGER, from the area near Munkacs Hungary/Czechoslavakia/Ukraine
David ABRAMOWITZ -a.k.a. ?? end 0f 19th cent. New Haven-Boston #usa

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

According to family lore, my great grandfather's brother David left
New Haven to Boston in the latter years of the 19th cent. and started
working in a dept. store there and worked his way up to management
level. He may have changed his family name. When my grandfather, his
nephew, tried to contact him at the store in the 1930s he was "brushed
off" saying that he was elderly, and recuperating in his home in
Florida (again family lore).

We have very scant hard facts about his early life. His mother, Gittle
ABRAMOWITZ seems to have left Novarodok as a widow with 4 young
children, eventually arriving in New Haven, around 1870-1880. Why New
Haven ? Presumably being that Rabbi Isaac S. HURWITZ,of Hartford , was
a cousin of hers or her late husband. I am researching that exact
connection to Rabbi HURWITZ but yet to find it.

David's two brothers, Mayer and Kalman remained orthodox, Mayer grew
up in Jerusalem while Kalman married a Jerusalem woman but lived and
died in the USA. David's sister, Sarah lived in New York and may have
lived (or vacationed) in Coney Island, belonging there to the Jewish
"Bund". I don't know her married name and the only scant information
(again family lore) is that she had a grandson Tom,, born about
1910-14, went to college in Boston. His parents seem to have divorced.

I have contact with Mayer's and Kalman's families but not with Sarah's
or David's. If any of the above sound familiar to anyone I'd love to
hear from you.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem
Re: My lost sephardic ancestry #sephardic

Michele Lock
 

I also agree that it is worth looking into the ethnicity of your closest DNA matches, and see if you can figure out how you are related to them.

In addition, its important to put together your family tree based on records that you can find, especially for grandparents, great grandparents, and farther back. This would mean finding records from Ottoman and British times (which admittedly, I don't know much about).

The other thing you could try is to do DNA testing on the oldest person or persons on your grandmother's side of the family. The older the person is, the more likely they will have higher amounts of Jewish DNA, and the easier it will be to identify DNA matches. 

Good luck.
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Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus
Re: Question About a Royal Warrant (UK) #unitedkingdom

Michele Lock
 

There is a Royal Warrant Holders Association, that goes back to the 1840s. They may be able to tell you about warrant holders from the early 1900s. There is an email address to contact them:
https://www.royalwarrant.org

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Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus
Re: Question About a Royal Warrant (UK) #unitedkingdom

Sherri Bobish
 

Eric,

Try The UK National Archives:

How to look for records of... Royal Household and Wardrobe
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/royal-household-wardrobe-records/

From above site:
1837–1901 Royal warrant holders: tradesmen supplying furnishings, floor and wall coverings, linens and stationery LC 5/243-246
1900 onwards Royal warrant holders: annual lists published in the London Gazette ZJ 1 or online at The Gazette

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish
Re: Austria town #austria-czech

Alexander Sharon
 

This appear to be the town known in Polish as Chorostków, currently identified as Khorostkiv in Ukrainian.
There are 94 entries posted by 53 researchers for Khorostkiv in JGFF database. There are actually two Khorostkiv, one is located in Halich (Stanislawow) region, and the other one in a Kopczynce (Tarnopol) district.

Alexander Sharon
Re: Digitization of Jewish records from towns in the former Kiev uyezd #ukraine #records #russia

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

", opis (inventory) 1 is the Jewish vital records for Kiev city.  Opis 2 contains the Jewish vital records for other towns in Kiev uyezd"

I searched for ' E-Archives of the Central State Historical Archives of Ukraine in Kyiv (CDIAK)" and got to CDIAK, but I can't see any way to get to the actual records. There are long discussions of the history and activities in English, but the rest, I assume, is in Ukrainian.

The E-Archives are at https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/spysok_fondiv/1163/0001/0001/#lg=1&slide=1, thanks to Google, but how do I find the Opis 2 records?

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ
7541 - 7560 of 668933