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Re: Map - Street Address - Pre-WWII Kalisz #poland #lodz

Miriam Bulwar David-Hay
 

Replying publicly because this may be useful to others trying to find old streets or other information about Poland or for that matter any other non-English-speaking country.

Steve,

A small trick I’ve found extremely useful in trying to find old Polish streets or other details specific to Poland is to go into POLISH Wikipedia and search. You can often find information there that just doesn’t exist in English Wikipedia or other English sites. This is equally true for any other foreign country — for example, searching in French Wikipedia for French streets or other information about France. I then use the automatic translation or copy and paste into Google Translate to see the information in English. (We all know that Google Translate isn’t perfect, but it is good enough for the purpose of understanding a Wikipedia entry in a foreign language.)

In your case, I found the answer almost immediately by searching for Ulica 6 Sierpnia Kalisz in Polish Wikipedia. This took me to an entry showing that the street has been renamed a number of times and since 1990 has been called Zamkowa.

There is a detailed history of the street in the Polish Wikipedia entry should you wish to read further. 

As for your comment about the bank being in Lodz, I recently discovered a similar file for my own great-aunt, whose whereabouts before the war I didn’t know, although I knew she perished in the Holocaust along with her husband and children. I ordered the file from the State Archives in Lodz and it revealed that they lived in Lodz and had a tailoring business there in the 1920s, but moved to Kalisz around 1930, where they lived in Ciasna street. This was a revelation to me and led me to further research and the discovery of her previously unknown children’s names, whom I can now commemorate properly. So I  strongly recommend writing to the archives and getting the file to see what it contains. 

Once again, I used Google Translate both to write to the archives in Polish and to understand their reply. The fee for documents is small but unfortunately they do insist on being paid by direct bank transfer, which adds to the cost in bank fees. Still, to me it was worth it.

All the best,

Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,
Raanana, Israel.

Professional journalist, writer, editor, proofreader.
Professional translator (Hebrew/Yiddish to English).
Certified guide, Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial and Museum.
Email: miriambdh@...

Researching: BULWA/BULWAR (Rawa Mazowiecka, Lodz, Paris); FRENKIEL/FRENKEL, FERLIPTER/VERLIEBTER (Belz); KALUSZYNER, KUSMIERSKI, KASZKIET, KUZKA, JABLONKA, RZETELNY, WROBEL (Kaluszyn, Lodz); KRYSKA/KRYSZKA, CHABIELSKI/HABELSKI (Sieradz, Lodz); LICHTENSZTAJN (Kiernozia, Wyszogrod, Lodz); ROZENBERG (Przedborz, Lodz); WAKS (Nowe Miasto nad Pilica, Lodz); PELCMAN, STORCZ (Rawa Mazowiecka); SOBEL (Paris); SAPIR/SZAFIR (Wyszogrod).  


What is this name? #names

Bob Silverstein
 

What is the first name on the attached?  The rest reads "and Gail (or some English or Yiddish variation) Schneider.

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This appears in the 35th Anniversary of the Chicago Krinker Aid Society commemorative book.

Thanks.
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Bob Silverstein
bobsilverstein@...
Elk Grove Village, IL

Researching Kaplan (Krynki, Poland) Tzipershteyn (Logishin, Pinsk, Belarus), Friedson/Fridzon (Pinsk, Cuba, Massachusetts), Israel and Goodman (Mishnitz, Warsaw, Manchester).


Re: Is anyone researching the Jews of Golub? #poland #general

Gary Mokotoff
 

Go to the JewishGen Family Finder. (https://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/jgffweb.asp) It identifies 76 people researching families from Golub.

Gary Mokotoff


4a. Re: Is anyone researching the Jews of Golub? #poland #general

Stanley Diamond
 

In response to the misleading post immediately below, I would like to clarify the possibility
of a misunderstanding as it applies to JRI-Poland membership (or subscriptions):

On January 7, 2021, the JRI-Poland board of directors voted to adopt an updated mission 
statement and objectives. The new mission statement recognizes that researchers want 
to identify as “belonging” to JRI-Poland and adopts “members” as a (new) core concept for 
our organization. This does NOT mean that we are becoming restrictive and withholding 
data to non-members! On the contrary – the very essence of JRI-Poland is to provide a 
freely available database to the researcher. We remain committed to serving the public by 
making our data available without requiring membership. However, membership in JRI-Poland
has its benefits - and whether you consider yourself a passionate researcher or someone 
with only a passing interest – we are developing membership benefits specifically for you!

Note that "freely available data" also indicates data that has been funded by donations 
from interested researchers in support of the indexing or extractions of the records for 
the towns in question.  Offline data to which I referred in my earlier post (repeated below) 
refers to records that have not yet been funded and for which fundraising continues. 

To learn about possible offline records for your town, contact the Town Leader through the
web form on the JRI-Poland Town Explorer pages. Click on "Your Town" on the navigation bar
on the https://jri-poland.org/ legacy website.  When you click on the link for your town, you
will immediately be directed to the new Town Explorer card for your town on the JRI-Poland
NextGen website.
 
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.   (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
 
 

2b. 
Re: Reply Re: Is anyone researching the Jews of Golub?
From: David Lewin
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2021 03:56:01 EDT
Thank you - It requires a subscription which I do not have

David Lewin



4a. 
Re: Is anyone researching the Jews of Golub? #poland #general
From: Stanley Diamond
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2021 02:18:00 EDT
As there is often confusion between the two towns, just 63.8 km apart with "Dobrzyn" in their names,
I would like to provide some clarification and information on available records.  
 
Golub-Dobrzyń (1921 Jewish population ca 2000):  
 
The following description appears on the JRI-Poland Town Explorer page:
 
Dobrzyń nad Drwęcą, also known as Dobrzyń, was part of Congress Poland prior 
to World War I. The town was merged with the town of Golub, its historically Prussian 
counterpart across the Drwęcą River, to form what is now known as Golub-Dobrzyń.
 
Online Records: Births, Marriages, Death 1808~1911 (not all years survived).
Offline Records: Marriages 1925-1928, Deaths 1925-1927, 1935-1938
 
 
Dobrzyń nad Wisłą (1921 Jewish population ca 800):
 
Online records:  Births 1828-1904 Marriages 1828-32,35,36,38-98 Deaths 1870-1904
Offline records:  Births 1905-1913, Deaths 1905-1936
 
For more information, contact the Town Leaders through the web form on the Town Explorer pages.
 
 
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.   (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
 
 
 


Re: Osz or Osh Slave Labor Camp in Russia, WWII #russia #yizkorbooks #general

Adam Turner
 

Osh is the name of the second-largest city in Kyrgyzstan. 

I was not able to turn up information on a WWII forced labor camp in Osh, specifically, on a quick Google search, but I wouldn't be surprised if there indeed was one there.

There is at least one documentary about the deportation of Polish Jews to forced labor camps in Central Asia: https://fontanalib.org/books/saved-deportation-unknown-odyssey-polish-jews

An anthology published a few years ago also mentions Polish Jews in Osh, though a quick look didn't seem to specifically mention a Gulag facility or other labor camp there: https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/30014/650080.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Adam Turner


2a. Re: Reply Re: Is anyone researching the Jews of Golub? #poland #general

Stanley Diamond
 

There are 8510 entries in the JRI-Poland database of Golub-Dobrzyń vital record 
entries but the surname REHFELD or variation does not appear.

As indicated by the JRI-Poland "SurnameMapper" the only towns in this area in 
which REHFELD does appear are Płock and Lidzbark.

To deep dive into possible answers to this mystery, contact the Town Leaders for
Lidzbark and Plock through the web form on the JRI-Poland Town Explorer pages.






Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.   (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
 

2a. 
Re: Reply Re: Is anyone researching the Jews of Golub?
From: Barbara Rice
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 22:28:35 EDT
This might be of interest:
 
One of my great grandfather’s’ family was from Golub-Dobrzyn and I  haven’t been able to find much.  
I barely knew my ggf as he died when I was six years old.   

Aside from manifests, All the records I have for my Raphael/Rehfeld/Rayfield branch are from the US.   

Barbara Rice
Researching Rehfeld in Golub-Dobrzyn
 
--
Barbara Rice,  Minneapolis MN
Researching KUPFERSCHMIDT - Radekhiv Ukraine (Radziechow, Galicia) and Philadelphia PA; ZUCHOVITZ - Stowtsby Belarus and Woodbine NJ; ROHSSLER - Krakow and New York City; REHFELD- Gollub-Dobrzyn; RUSONIK - Polotsk Belarus, Manchester England, New York City and Providence RI.


Map - Street Address - Pre-WWII Kalisz #poland #lodz

Steven Granek
 

Happy New Year to all -
 
I’ve just come across the abstract (no scan) in the Polish Archives related to Kalisz.
 
 
This translates to "Adler Haim and Tamara. Kalisz, 6 Sierpnia 66 street. [Construction loan]"  and is a record from (translation) "Bank Gospodarstwa Krajowego, Branch in Łódź"
 
Tamara was my Grandfather Mendel’s sister - married to Chaim Adler.  I have a photo of them with the whole European family (most of whom disappeared with (so far) no trace) at her home in Kalisz on some Purim - likely in the 1930s. I suspect at this very address.
 
I can’t make sense of the address - and I realize that perhaps the entire neighborhood was destroyed in the war and it no longer exists.  Interesting to me that the bank was in Lodz.
 
First - Am I misreading / misinterpreting anything here?
 
Second - Any ideas on how to see this address on an older city map?  I have not been able to find (at least online) a pre-war city map of Kalisz.  And cannot make sense of this address on any current map.
 
Any help is appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
 
Steve Granek
Columbia, MD USA
GRANEK, ORUM, ADLER, ISAACSON, ALPERT, BROWNSTEIN
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Re: ADDITION: 60-Minutes The Ritchie Boys #announcements #germany #usa

Angie Elfassi
 

Thank you for sharing this link. I live in Israel and fortunately had no problem in seeing this via Chrome.

Shana tova
Regards
Angie Elfassi
Israel


Re: Osz or Osh Slave Labor Camp in Russia, WWII #russia #yizkorbooks #general

Relly coleman
 

osh, kyrgyzstan
many polish jewish refugees were relocated here after ‘emancipation’ from labor camps, following Germany’s attack on Russia.  

relly coleman

 


Re: Mount Judah Cemetery photographs #photographs

dbpdallas@...
 

I've obtained the photo I was seeking.

Many thanks to those who responded with suggestions for research.

Kind regards,
David Passman
Dallas, Texas


Aron Hilberth (1815-1864) - Looking for descendants and relatives #germany

Guenther.Emig@...
 

I am looking for descendants and relatives of Aron HILBERTH (1815-1864). Aron HILBERTH was a teacher and cantor in Niederstetten (Germany, Baden-Württemberg). He has published some books for children. He was married to the widow of his predecessor Abraham Hirsch GUTMANN, who died in 1841, Babette Pesle née ROSENTHAL, daughter of Schmuel Rosenthal. From the marriage of Babette Pesle to A. H. Gutmann there were three sons (Sankel? Wolf, born June 30, 1837 - Joseph, born January 15, 1840 - Absalom Hirsch, born March 14, 1842). There were six children left from Babette Pesle's marriage to Hilberth, mostly girls. The eldest daughter, Hanna, stayed with her mother in Germany and died here. I don't know what happened to the other girls.

The Gutmann sons emigrated to America in 1856, 1860 and 1861. They took the name GOODMAN there. Allegedly they brought their stepsisters to America after Aron Hilberth's death.

So far I have found: Joseph Goodman died on March 11, 1914 and was buried in the cemetery in Memphis, Tennessee, also his brother Abe H., died in 1878. About Sankel? Wolf I haven't found anything yet.

I'm also very interested in what happened to Aron Hilberth's daughters. Their names: Gustava (Gütele), Regine, Helena (Haffa), Lea.

Who can help me?

Günther Emig, Niederstetten, Germany
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This text has been translated with Google Translator


where is Chevatz ? #france #poland #russia

David Choukroun
 

Dear all,

I am looking at the location of several cities that appear on a french naturalization file from 1925

- Chevatz  (corrected manually in Cheratz) (Russia)
- Ignovatz (Russia)
- Dinskavoldi (Poland)

I may have missused the Townfinder tool, or bad luck, as I had zero answers

Any help is welcome,

Thanks so much,
Shana Tova !

--
Regards,
David CHOUKROUN

david.choukroun@...
FRANCE

CHOUKROUN ATTALI ATLANI


Desperately seeking Abram Roth & Chaja Szymkewicz - Kalisz, Poland #poland

Cindy
 

Hi,

I have been researching for such a long time for details on my great, great uncle Abram Roth and his direct descendants. All my best efforts are now being met continuously with that brick wall. I'm trying to establish what happened to Abram, Chaja and their descendants. The following is all I have on him so far:-

Abram was one of ten siblings. I am in contact with those sibling descendants.

Abram Izak Rot/Roth circa: 25th March 1880 Kalisz, Poland
 
married Chaja Szymkewicz (various spelling) b: 26th June 1889 Kalisz, Poland.

I only have the names of the following two children:-

Jochewet Roth b: 28th August 1908 Kalisz, Poland and
Josef Roth b: 7th May 1910 Kalisz, Poland - 15th August 1911 Kalisz, Poland

Were there more children?

The parents of Abram were....Yechel Behr Rot b: 1832 - 31st January 1912 Kalisz, Poland and
Dwojra Fride b: 1850 - 9th November 1919, Bethnal Green, London, England.

I would be so grateful if anyone has come across any information that could help locate the direct descendants and, or can help to give us answers as to what may have happened to Abram, Chaja and/or their family.

If you are reading this and know that you are a descendant, then please get in touch.

Thank you,

Cindy Caldon
cindycaldon@... 

 
 
 
 
 
 


Pre-Holocaust Communal Record Waiting to be Saved in Hungary #hungary #records

stephen@...
 

A lot people around the world got excited about 7 pre-Holocaust record books being saved from an auction, but there are communal books within Hungary that are literally disintegrating due to neglect, which is the case at the Gyor Synagogue and there are probably similar holdings elsewhere. When I was last in Gyor, 8 years ago, I found a few dozen books in a cupboard crying out to be saved. I photographed as many pages as I could during the couple hours I spent there, but even then, some of the pages were crumbling. This doesn’t require crowd funding or negotiations with auctioneers, just the willingness of a local organisation with the right equipment to photograph them.

--
Stephen Schmideg
Melbourne, Australia
stephen@...


Re: Mount Judah Cemetery photographs #photographs

dbpdallas@...
 

More info,

I am looking for photos of the grave markers of Sam Goldberg (burial date: 05 Oct 1953) and his wife Mamie (burial date: 19 Dec 1945). They are interred on the society grounds of Musher & Baranowitzer at Mount Judah Cemetery. Recent DNA results indicate that Sam was my 2nd great-grandmother's brother.

Kind regards,
David Passman
Dallas, Texas


Re: Is anyone researching the Jews of Golub? #poland #general

David Lewin
 

I deliberately excluded Dobrzyn from my posting.

In the time span of the documents I am working with Golub was German, Dobrzynb was Polish

The "1921 Jewish population ca 2000" is misleading because there was no common census for the two distinct towns at that time

David Lewin


At 05:30 11/09/2021, Stanley Diamond via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
As there is often confusion between the two towns, just 63.8 km apart with "Dobrzyn" in their names,
I would like to provide some clarification and information on available records.  
 
Golub-DobrzyÅ„ (1921 Jewish population ca 2000): 
 
The following description appears on the JRI-Poland Town Explorer page:
 
Dobrzyń nad Drwęcą, also known as Dobrzyń, was part of Congress Poland prior
to World War I. The town was merged with the town of Golub, its historically Prussian

counterpart across the Drwęcą River, to form what is now known as Golub-Dobrzyń.
 
Online Records: Births, Marriages, Death 1808~1911 (not all years survived).
Offline Records: Marriages 1925-1928, Deaths 1925-1927, 1935-1938

 
 
Dobrzyń nad Wisłą (1921 Jewish population ca 800):
 
Online records:  Births 1828-1904 Marriages 1828-32,35,36,38-98 Deaths 1870-1904
Offline records:  Births 1905-1913, Deaths 1905-1936

 
For more information, contact the Town Leaders through the web form on the Town Explorer pages.
 
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Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.   (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
 
 
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Re: Reply Re: Is anyone researching the Jews of Golub?

David Lewin
 

Thank you - It requires a subscription which I do not have

David Lewin


At 03:23 11/09/2021, Barbara Rice wrote:
This might be of interest:
https://www.slideshare.net/gosiaa_g/timeline-history-of-golub-dobrzy
 
One of my great grandfather�s� family was from Golub-Dobrzyn and I  haven�t been able to find much.  I barely knew my ggf as he died when I was six years old.  
Aside from manifests, All the records I have for my Raphael/Rehfeld/Rayfield branch are from the US.  

Barbara Rice
Researching Rehfeld in Golub-Dobrzyn
 

--
Barbara Rice,  Minneapolis MN
Researching KUPFERSCHMIDT - Radekhiv Ukraine (Radziechow, Galicia) and Philadelphia PA; ZUCHOVITZ - Stowtsby Belarus and Woodbine NJ; ROHSSLER - Krakow and New York City; REHFELD- Gollub-Dobrzyn; RUSONIK - Polotsk Belarus, Manchester England, New York City and Providence RI.


Re: Is anyone researching the Jews of Golub? #poland #general

David Lewin
 

Sorry - I am looking for people who research their roots in the town of Golub, not people whose family name it is,

David Lewin


At 20:19 10/09/2021, sjgwed via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:

FWIW - Rabbi Mark S. Golub is the founding president, CEO and Executive producer of  The Jewish Broadcasting Service (JBS) - a cable television station which is based in New Jersey and airs throughout the US.

Good luck!

Susan
Susan J Gordon
New York
BIALAZURKER - Zbaraz, Budapest
LEMPERT - Skalat, Lvov


Re: Is anyone researching the Jews of Golub? #poland #general

Barbara Algaze
 

Many of my GUTFELD family were from Golub.  Others were from Dobrzyn.
I also have a Jette JOSEPH who married Samuel GUTFELD in Golub.

Barbara Algaze
Los Angeles, California

COHN:  Wreschen, Posen, Tirschtiegel, Schönlanke, Samter, Berlin
LEBURG:  Danzig, Dirschau


Re: Is anyone researching the Jews of Golub? #poland #general

Stanley Diamond
 

As there is often confusion between the two towns, just 63.8 km apart with "Dobrzyn" in their names,
I would like to provide some clarification and information on available records.  
 
Golub-Dobrzyń (1921 Jewish population ca 2000):  
 
The following description appears on the JRI-Poland Town Explorer page:
 
Dobrzyń nad Drwęcą, also known as Dobrzyń, was part of Congress Poland prior 
to World War I. The town was merged with the town of Golub, its historically Prussian 
counterpart across the Drwęcą River, to form what is now known as Golub-Dobrzyń.
 
Online Records: Births, Marriages, Death 1808~1911 (not all years survived).
Offline Records: Marriages 1925-1928, Deaths 1925-1927, 1935-1938
 
 
Dobrzyń nad Wisłą (1921 Jewish population ca 800):
 
Online records:  Births 1828-1904 Marriages 1828-32,35,36,38-98 Deaths 1870-1904
Offline records:  Births 1905-1913, Deaths 1905-1936
 
For more information, contact the Town Leaders through the web form on the Town Explorer pages.
 
 
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.   (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
 
 
 

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