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Re: Stateless in Czechoslovakia #austria-czech #usa

Sherri Bobish
 

Mark,

If your gf naturalized in 1927 than your gm did not automatically become a U.S. citizen.  Even if they had both been living in The U.S. at that time, she would have to apply for citizenship separately.  If he naturalized prior to 1922 it would have been different.

Of course,  the Czech government may or may not have known about the change in U.S. naturalization law, or just may not have cared.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish

Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala / Ragola, Lith.)
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne / Istryker, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD / FINK, KALTER (Daliowa/ Posada Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BERGER (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
SOKALSKY / SOLON / SOLAN / FINGER(MAN) (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / APPEL (Odessa?)


Re: Tuberculosis Sanitoria #usa #general

Sherri Bobish
 

Jill,

This page may be helpful.  TB hospitals are included.  There are many TB hospitals listed on this page.
http://bklyn-genealogy-info.stevemorse.org/Directory/1935.Hosp.NYState.html
HOSPITALS OF NEW YORK STATE

1935-1936 MEDICAL DIRECTORY OF NEW YORK
Also, if you think he may have been arrested and in prison than here are a few research options:

Find his death certificate.  If he did have TB in the past than that info may be noted on his death certificate.

Search his name in old digitized newspapers at:
https://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html
An arrest and/or conviction may have been noted in a newspaper.

Have you found him on the 1940 census, which you can search at: www.familysearch.org

The 1950 census will be released in April of 2022, so finding him on the 1950 census may reveal more clues.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala / Ragola, Lith.)
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne / Istryker, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD / FINK, KALTER (Daliowa/ Posada Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BERGER (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
SOKALSKY / SOLON / SOLAN / FINGER(MAN) (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / APPEL (Odessa?)


Re: Stateless in Czechoslovakia #austria-czech #usa

Andreas Schwab
 

Destroying your passport does not cancel your citizenship. Rather, according to the decree of 25 Nov. 1941, German Jews lost their German citizenship when living or moving abroad. 
--
Andreas Schwab, Montreal, Canada


Re: The Hebrew translation for the name Yetta #names

Sherri Bobish
 

Andrea,

There is no way to guess about her original name.  I can tell you that my ggm Yenta was called Yetta after coming to The U.S.  A hundred other ladies that called themselves Yetta may have had other names.

Your gm's Hebrew name may be on her tombstone.

Also, if she was born outside of The U.S. than her passenger manifest will list her under the name she used prior to arriving here.

Good luck,

Sherri Bobish

Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala / Ragola, Lith.)
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne / Istryker, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD / FINK, KALTER (Daliowa/ Posada Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BERGER (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
SOKALSKY / SOLON / SOLAN / FINGER(MAN) (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / APPEL (Odessa?)


Re: The Hebrew translation for the name Yetta #names

jsheines@...
 

Ellen, be careful with the use of Ita if you live along the Mexican border.  Ita is a common Spanish nickname,
--
Herschel Sheiness
San Antonio, Tx
jsheines@...


Re: The Hebrew translation for the name Yetta #names

fredelfruhman
 

To add more possibilities to this growing list:

My German-Jewish mother's secular name was Jettchen (pronounced Yettchen), a diminutive of the nickname for Henrietta.  (I won't go into what her "Hebrew" name was, as this would only add confusion). 

However, no-one called her Jettchen; they used one of two other nicknames:  Hette and Hetti.

I always thought that a nice Hebrew name to go with these would be Hadassah.
--
Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA


Re: The Hebrew translation for the name Yetta #names

Dick Plotz <Dick@...>
 

Jeffrey's reply illustrates a fact that we all need to keep in mind
with questions like Andrea's. Two related ones, in fact.

1. With the exception of common, well-known Biblical names such as
Sarah or Jacob, names do not translate, in the sense that when people
move from one country to another, especially when it involves crossing
an ocean, they often change their name, not only to the counterpart of
their original given name, e.g., Ya'akov to Jacob, but often to an
entirely different name. It's often been noted in JewishGen
discussions that men with a wide variety of names in Europe, not only
names beginning with S, became "Sam" in America. This has jokingly
been called "Samification."

2. Especially in cities, Jews' civil given names often did not
correspond in any predictable way to their ritual names. I'm a good
example of this; my Hebrew name is Yitzchak Yisrael, as is that of my
cousin Paul Plotz. We were both named after our grandfather Ike. Yes,
alliterative naming is common, but far from universal.

So attempts to deduce ritual names from civil names or vice versa,
ditto European names vs American names, are misguided at best. Even
when a civil name is Biblical in origin, it's not necessarily the
person's name by which they were called to the Torah or that appears
in Hebrew lettering on their gravestone. Think about it from the point
of view of how a person gets their given name or names. Typically,
their parents announce their name on a civil document and at a bris or
naming ceremony. Anyone who has cared for a newborn knows that it's
usually a hectic time, and making everything match up neatly is not
high on their list of priorities.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA


On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 1:57 PM Jx. Gx. <mrme1914@...> wrote:

Hello Andrea, My great-grandmother's name was Heneh Yuteh, but somewhere along the line she started using the name Yetta Chana and even more often just Yetta. My mother was name in honor of Yetta with the Hebrew name Yehudit, which in English became Judith. Incidentally, my mother had a strong bond with Yetta and often in later life referred to her as "Yitta" which seems to have a warmer tone to the name, at least to my ears.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona


Re: Tuberculosis Sanitoria #usa #general

robinson@...
 

My grandfather had TB and died at Seaview Hospital on Staten Island in 1920. I'm pretty sure it was still operating into the 1940s.
Sherry Robinson, Albuquerque NM


Re: The Hebrew translation for the name Yetta #names

Jx. Gx.
 

Hello Andrea,  My great-grandmother's name was Heneh Yuteh, but somewhere along the line she started using the name Yetta Chana and even more often just Yetta.  My mother was name in honor of Yetta with the Hebrew name Yehudit, which in English became Judith. Incidentally, my mother had a strong bond with Yetta and often in later life referred to her as "Yitta" which seems to have a warmer tone to the name, at least to my ears.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona 


Re: The Hebrew translation for the name Yetta #names

Eric M. Bloch
 

Why don't you do a search in the JOWBR database for women named Yetta, and see what their Hebrew names were.  That way you could tally the Hebrew names to determine the most common.

Eric Bloch
Glendale, WI


Re: The Hebrew translation for the name Yetta #names

Peter Cohen
 

Yetta and Yenta may be two different names, but I frequently see gravestones for people named Yetta with Yenta as their Hebrew name.
--
Peter Cohen
California


Franco-Prussian War Records #france #germany

Michael Rubin
 

Is anyone familiar with how to locate records of German soldiers from the Franco-Prussian War (aka. Franco-German War, War of 1870) or any records whatsoever about particular regiments within the German army? 
I have a family birth record from 1871 from a village in the Nassau area of Hessen which indicates the following:
 
"Der Vater des Kindes ist zur Zeit in Frankreich als Fusilier des XI. Armeecorps 21. Division 42 Brigade 2 nassauisches Infanterie-Regiment Numero 88, 10 Compagnie"

"The child's father is currently in France as a Fusilier of the XI. Army Corps 21st Division 42 Brigade 2 Nassau Infantry Regiment Number 88, 10 Company

Thanks for your ideas and input.
Michael Rubin
Boston, MA  USA


Re: Tuberculosis Sanitoria #usa #general

Phil Goldfarb
 

Deborah Hospital is in Browns Mills, NJ and started out in 1922 as a TB sanitorium. They then began doing some of the first heart surgeries. You can google it.

Phil Goldfarb
Tulsa, OK
President, JGS of Tulsa

searching for Gitovich, Leet, Froug, Brom, 


Re: JEWS IN HIDING IN NICE DURING WW2 #france #holocaust

Lewis, Megan
 

Hi,

Many Holocaust related records in France are held at the departmental archives, not local archives.  Nice is in the Alpes-Maritime department, and their archive's website is https://www.departement06.fr/culture/archives-departementales-2797.html.

However, since Nice is a large city, you should also check with the city archive, https://archives.nicecotedazur.org/.  Both websites are in French.

USHMM has selected records from the Alpes-Maritime departmental archives.  I checked the finding aid.  We do not have the Police d'Estrangers records.

Megan Lewis, reference librarian
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum


Re: Tuberculosis Sanitoria #usa #general

Robert Hanna
 

I know that my grandmother was thought to have tuberculosis in the 1940s and was sent to a sanitarium named Deborah.  We lived in the Bronx at the time.  That's all I know.

Robert Hanna

Researching:
CHANAN/HANAN/HANNE/HEINE/HINEY (Warsaw, Poland); BLUMENBLAT (Sarnaki, Poland); KARASIK, THOMASHOW/TOMOSHOFF, COHEN (Babruysk, Belarus); RUBINSTEIN, BUNDEROFF, PASTILNIK, NEMOYTEN, DISKIN (Minsk, Belarus).


Re: Stateless in Czechoslovakia #austria-czech #usa

Eva Lawrence
 

As I understand it, statelessness implies that you have lost your
citizenship without being acknowledged as a citizen of another state,
wherever in Europe you were born, and citizenship is confirmed by a
passport. In my family's case, my parents destroyed the German
passports that had taken us to England after England declared war on
Germany in 1939. We were told that we were therefore not German, but
stateless. Looking at my father's internment record, I see that in any
case the family's German passports expired in 1940. Some months later,
in order to be able to emigrate further to USA, my mother was issued
with a travel document which acted only as a one-way passport and did
not confer British citizenship on her (a passport she never used). Only
after WW2 was over were we able to obtain British citizenship by
naturalisation.
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.
--
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


Re: looking for town named Chartorey? Charlovey? #russia #romania

adelstein@...
 

My grandmother was from Nova Chortoriya in Western Ukraine.  There are a variety of spellings in English.  She pronounced it "Chorkh - tria".

 

Bruce Adelstein

ADELSTEIN (Bacau,Romania)
LEIBOVICI (Botosani, Romanian)
FRIEDMAN (Nova Chortioria, Ukraine)
GOCHMAN / SHAFER (Lyubar, Ukraine)
FINKELSTEIN (Kaunas, Lithuania)
RIFKOVICH (Kaunas, Lithuania)
TOIBB (Shepatovka, Ukraine)
FRANKEL (Zaslov, Ukraine)

 


This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page (Sukkot) #yizkorbooks #belarus #poland

Bruce Drake
 

Sukkot starts on Monday, a holiday of rejoicing after the solemn observances of Yom Kippur and the Days of Awe. To mark the day, I’ve gathered vignettes from Yizkor books from towns in Belarus and Poland. The Hasidim in Gorodets sang and danced. The “Festival of Joy” in Piotrkow Trybunalski describes the importance of finding a suitable estrog which “requires expertise in [its] quality, as it does, for instance, to choose the wine for the four cups on Passover.” In Lezajsk, “The children concerned themselves with the beauty of the Sukkah. Hangings made of eggshells and feathers, colored by singeing with a flame, hung from the ceilings.”
But as the Germans occupied Jewish towns, an account from the book of Chrzanow relates how celebrating Sukkot entailed risks because the commandment to eat and sleep in a sukkah meant it was not possible to hide in a house and observe Judaism there as on other holidays.


--
Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel


Re: JEWS IN HIDING IN NICE DURING WW2 #france #holocaust

Karen Lukeman
 

Hi, 

I'm currently reading a book, The Spiral Shell, a memoire by Sandell Morse about Jews in France during WWII...how some were hidden, how some resisted, about some organizations which helped, etc. Although the book is not about Nice, perhaps you may find it of interest and it may provide some additional resources to you.

All the best! 
--
Karen Calmon Lukeman
KALMANOWITZ (Lyubcha and towns near Grodno, Vilna and Minsk)
GOLDSMITH (Bakshty and Ivje)
NASSER (Damascus)
BENBAJI (Damascus)
BALLAS (Damascus)


Re: The Hebrew translation for the name Yetta #names

alan moskowitz
 

To flip the question around, my grandmother's English name was Yetta (born in NYC) and her Hebrew name was Sura Malka.  
--
Alan Moskowitz
New Jersey

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