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Re: German Jewish Community: Grötzingen, Alb-Donau-Kreis, Baden-Württemberg, Germany or Grötzingen, Durlach, Baden, Württemburg #germany
According to the German wikipedia, there are three places called Grötzingen, all in the state of Baden-Würtemburg.
One of them is next to Durlach, on the outskirts of Karlsruhe. One is in Alb-Donau-Kreis not far from the city of Ulm, and the third is part of the town of Aichtal, roughly midway between the other two.
You'll need to assess your sources to decide which is the correct one, or perhaps you could reach out to the local archives to see if they have any trace of your ancestors family.
I hope this helps,
The term Militär-Rechnungsoberoffizier can be translated to: Senior Military Paymaster.
The following image shows the inscription on the gravestone of a Rechnungsunteroffizier, which can be translated to: Non-commissioned Officer Military Paymaster.
This is my first message to this list and I would like to say hello. My query relates to a record I have found of my grandparents' marriage in 1903. It took place in Kezmarok, now in Slovakia but then in the Kingdom of Hungary.
My grandmother was born Rosa SCHENKHEIN in Krakow in 1885 but on the record she is recorded as 'Rachel GARTNER' - GARTNER was her groom's surname. This is rather strange but I wonder if it was the custom to record the bride with her new surname and to use a biblical first name instead of her original one?
I wonder if anyone who has experience with the genealogy of this area could clear up this mystery?
Many thanks and it's nice to meet you all!
I found, right these days, a letter envelope, bearing the date of October 1963. The letter sent to my father (Chaim Godelnik) who died in 1977. The name and address of the sender is J. Weissberg 1822 E. 29th St. Bklyn N.Y. USA. I have a reasonable basis to believe that this is a relative. I would appreciate help in locating the writer or his family members so I can contact them.
In 1937, Yehuda Pen was murdered in Vitebsk, Ukraine. He was the first art teacher of Marc Chagall. I have not been able to find out his relatives. We share the name Pen (my grandfather and father were listed as Pen on their documents.) The name is unusual in eastern Europe. How would I find out if we are related when I can find no family for him?
Sandra Penn (the extra n was added at Castelgarten.)
Survivors Returning to Sighet and Maramures
We are in the process of indexing some interesting new records for Maramaros-Maramures researchers! These are the books that registered returning persons from the Shoah, and recorded accounts of money and goods, such as clothing, food, and bedding that were provided to the returners.
There are two record books in this set:
· Book I, Returning Persons to Sighet, Maramures, Romania, and
· Book II, Returning Persons from various towns to Maramures, Romania.
These books were kept in the Jewish Community Center in Sighet, Maramures, Romania. They are not in the Romanian National Archives, so far as we know.
The fields of information indexed in this set, for either of the books, are as follows:
· Record number, organized alphabetically, by first letter of surname. And then by registration or arrival date after the Shoah
· Date of return or registration
· Surname and Given name of returned person
· Town of residence, with street address where available (primarily in Sighet). It is not clear if this address is where the person lived before deportation, or where they were living at the time of their registration
· Occupation, translated from Romanian as possible
· Date of birth
· Surname and given name of the mother
· Place from which the person was deported
· Place where the person was interned
· Record number. It is unclear what this number represents. In many cases it appears to be the ID given inmates in the camps, but there is no explanation in the record.
Not included as a field in the index where the record kept on money provided to the returning persons, or records of food, bedding and clothing distributed to the persons.
You can search the records in the Holocaust database, and the Hungarian and Romanian databases. You can also search it through a general search.
We thank the following individuals who have devoted much time and effort to indexing these materials:
Daniel Horowitz, who located the records, arranged permission from the Jewish Community Center in Sighet, Romania, to photograph the pages, made the images, and then stitched them together beautifully!
Indexers Ronald Wagmann, Ida Gold, Suzanne Geroe, and Sandy Malek for the Sighet book. Sandy Malek for the Maramures book. Special thanks to Vivian Kahn and Nolan Altman for all support freely given!
The book of Sighet returners is now available on JewishGen, and contains in excess of 2100 records. The book of Maramures returners will be available shortly, and will contain in excess of 5000 additional records.
Coordinator of the Maramures Records Indexing Project of the Hungarian Research Division
#general, #holocaust, #hungary, #romania
Re: German Jewish Community: Grötzingen, Alb-Donau-Kreis, Baden-Württemberg, Germany or Grötzingen, Durlach, Baden, Württemburg #germany
Durlach is today part of the city of Karlsruhe. It was the capital of the Margravate (Duchy) of Baden-Durlach, which existed from 1535 bis 1771. The Alb-Donau-Keis region was formed in 1973. The two regions are at two opposite ends of Baden-Württemberg: Karlsruhe in the West almost near the Rhine river, and Alb-Donau-Keis at the East surrounding Ulm at the Danube river.
In order to help you, we would need more details of the sources you have, most importantly about the time frame. Germany's political geography has changed many times during the last millennia.
Andreas Schwab, Montreal, Canada
Ellen Slotoroff Zyroff
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This added, hand-picked team, hired because of their very specialized expertise, is scary, though not, sad to say, totally unexpected, given the every increasing and pervasive data gathering already in more than full swing about us all across the globe.
This set of very high level new hires is a very specialized set of data miners, data manipulators, data sorters and data intercessionists.
Already we have the chilling reality that everyone who spends any time online is already being defined, sliced and diced, and categorized according to our demographics, religion, documented and perceived political registration and views, the sites we look at and/or to which we subscribe and/or to which we post, who are our relatives and friends, what kind of purchases we make, trips we take, the kinds of searches we do online, with whom do we communicate, to what organizations do we and other family members belong, to whom to we make donations, With the data rich far more detailed data that sits on genealogical websites and discussion boards archives and family trees, and the proven connections revealed by DNA, connections that most often prove our ethnic ancestry, the reason some people have refused to participate in DNA testing begins to loom large. Those who have stayed away from creating a DNA trail and/or even a paper trail perhaps don't seem as paranoid as they once did. Given the ever increasing surge of anti-Semitism worldwide, including an increasing number of very active, high profile policy-making Jew/Israel haters in Congress and at every level of government and of agencies and the unravelling of logic and unravelling of personal safeguards in government, what would prevent the easy mining and Boolean searching of the humongous amount of data already on Ancestry, both the data posted there, the uploads from big partner organizations and what I think is the largest personal DNA source anywhere.
The decision to innocently or not innocently search out members of the tribe, or those who have x-amount of social and/or genetic relationship currently or historically is a piece of cake, then put it all in zip code, voting district, or neighborhood order, or further defined by affiliations, could be carried out in a matter of minutes. That the walls between the online data giants and government are just about all gone is clear to anyone who follow the news.
The players are conglomerates and their active scope of information and communication reach is at all levels, from international to local to block to house level to individual level.
Nobody asked any of us for truly informed permissions, or even bothered to make clear the "innocent" or perhaps even not innocent extent of the societal and individual privacy/liberty invasion and capture and storage of who we and our ancestors were, what they did, where they came from, what ethnic names they had, who our relatives are, when Amazon and the other now big data companies started and when they continue to ramp up the invasion of our every key strike, every communication, every on demand connection that artificial intelligence can is making.
Some will respond that the world today is indeed a Big Brother world with full Big Brother capabilities, but that David and Sarah Citizen should not fall into the paralyzing paranoia of seeing a Hitler around ever corner. Most of us would have agree with that 20 years ago, even 10 years ago.
Still, it's impossible for people like the participants here, who know Jewish history, know about "in every generation," we who have been thick into the every more sophisticated and ever more searchable and manipulatable and multiple factor drill down data retrieval, not to think about what "value added" outputs of multifaceted family data might be requested, facilitated...and used by the infusion of a cherry picked set of corporate/government partnership players - players who are identified by just such skills - into what has been until the almost entirely non-political genealogical enterprise.
On Saturday, September 18, 2021, 04:29:56 PM PDT, Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...> wrote:
Ancestry has appointed Brian Donnelly formerly head of Diagnostics and Genomics at Amazon, has been named Senior Vice President and General Manager of AncestryDNA, Ashish Nayyar Facebook’s Senior Director of Data Science, as Chief Data Officer and Heather Friedland Promoted to Chief Product Officer. Formerly Heather served as Senior Vice President, New Products & Growth.
To read the press release and learn more about the three new Ancestry leaders see:
Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
ZOLOTOROV (Chernigov, Ukraine; Kiev, Ukraine);
SLOTOROFF (Kiev, Ukraine)
CHARKOVSKY or SHARKOVSKY(Ukraine);
LEVINE (Ukraine and Minsk, Belarus);
LIMON (Berestechko, Volynia, Ukraine)
TESLER (Horochiv, Volynia, Ukraine)
ZYRO (Zabolativ, Ukraine)
TAU (Zalolativ, Ukraine)
ROTH / ROT (Ataki, Bessarabia, Moldova)
BLAUSTEIN (Chernigov, Ukraine or Minsk, Belarus)
German Jewish Community: Grötzingen, Alb-Donau-Kreis, Baden-Württemberg, Germany or Grötzingen, Durlach, Baden, Württemburg #germany
I have a question that I hope that someone can help me with. My 4th g grandfather was born in Grötzingen, Baden, Württemburg, Germany. Now, I've seen records in Canada, where he "immigrated" (was sent as a soldier), lived and died. Those sources say that he was born in the "Durlach" Province. Then, on another site, I saw that he was born in that "Alb-Donau-Keis" Province or region. I can't verify that source as it is on a site that I don't have access to. Does anyone know the difference between the two regions? Are they the same? I've been researching all day and can't find enough information on either to make a determination. I also can't seem to verify which area that my ancestor was actually born in. Is there a good site to verify this information on? His surname changed from Germany to Canada and then again from him to his children and so forth. Additionally, I don't know who his parents are! My ancestor is Michel Süder, just in case you were curious...☺️
Any info on this town would be very helpful.
Connie Derosier Carter
Kissimmee, FL, Leominster, MA
Erev Sukkot 1941 the Nazis planned a test aktion in Nadworna. Today is the Yahrzeit.
The first Aktion took place on 10.6.1941. The Germans and the members of the Ukrainian police burst into the homes of the Jews and started to assemble them in the square near the church. On the way [there] many of those who refused to go were killed and also those who tried to escape. The Ukrainian population was very active in chasing the Jews down and in their return [to the Germans]. In the afternoon trucks arrived and the Jews were transported to the Bukowinka forest. There they were killed and thrown into ditches. During the killing many of them were being beaten cruelly, and especially, both the Nazis and their helpers, taunted [translator's note: physically abused through pushing, shoving, beating, etc.] the old, the women, the children and the handicapped. Some of the Jews were buried alive. More than 2000 of the Nadwórna Jews were killed in this Aktion and also Jews from the surrounding villages. Among the killed there were also the refugees from Carpatoros.
After a few days the Jews of Nadwórna got permission from the German authorities to cover up the ditches in Bukovinka because the corpses of the killed were thrown around on the ground. The place was fenced in by the surviving members of the community, and even a public kaddish was said over the dead. The apartments of those killed were confiscated and the property was taken out of them and partially was given to the Germans and the remainder was looted by the local population. Now in those apartments lived the members of the German government and Ukrainian families. After the Aktion, the remaining members of the Jewish community wanted to get work permits for the places of work essential for the German industry. 600 Jews worked daily in a sawmill and the young Jews were kidnapped in the autumn of 1941 in order to work in work camps in the area.
This was the first mass shooting in Galicia and a test aktion for the Nazis to see how the townspeople would react to their neighbors being murdered and how psychologically the shooters would handle it. Sadly for our people none of this turned out to be a problem and we all know how many more massacres there were to follow.
Today we remember these sacred martyrs of Nadworna. Attached is a picture from our group trip in 2018 of a Soviet era memorial at the site.
Chag Sukkot Sameach,
President, Gesher Galicia
Stolpersteine in present-day Poland #poland
Gerald and Margaret
I would like to set up " Stolpersteine" to commemorate my paternal grandparents in a small town, then KANTH, SILESIA now Katy Wroclawskie in Poland. . This town is and was near the chief Silesian City BRESLAU/ WROCLAW, the capital .
Has anyone the experience of anything helpful , from a Silesian town council? They have to be approached first , but many state the relevant records were lost after the War. Any suggestions what to do next. ?
N London, UK
Re: Trebisov, Slovakia #slovakia
Alfred J. Holzman
Hello Ozzy (Wherever you are)
Perhaps I can help.
There was a Slovak program with money set aside to compensate (heirs) for property owned by Holocaust victims located in Slovakia.
This program compensated our family for its loss in Turcianske Rudno in about 2004. It would have the street name you are seeking.
I advise you to make the following contact. Hopefully they still exist/operate
Council for the Compensation of Holocaust Victims
Kancelaria Rady na odskodnenie holokaustu
P.O. Box 115
820 05 Bratislava 25
Telephone No. 011 421 2 554 21 771
Fax No. 011 421 554 21 680
Web (hopefully operating) www.holocaustslovakia.sk
Holzman: Turc. Rudno, Rajec, Kremnice, Podhora, Laclava..Slovakia
Kohn: Slovenske Pravno, Klastor...Slovakia
Guttman: Nyirmada, Kisvarda, Vaja...Hungary
Weingarten: Chust, Pecs, Kosice...Hungary
Newsletter from the Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami
Submitted by Yoram Millman (JGSGM Programming Chair)
The Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami (JGSGM) will present
Libby Copeland, award winning journalist, discussing
on Sunday, September 26 at 10:30 am
The Cultural Phenomenon of Home DNA Testing (Virtual presentation)
Libby Copeland: is an award-winning journalist who has written for the Washington Post, New York magazine, the New York Times, the Atlantic, and many other publications. She specializes in the intersection of science and culture and will explore with us the extraordinary cultural phenomenon of home DNA testing, which is redefining family history. It will draw on Libby Copeland’s years of research for her new book The Lost Family: How DNA Testing is Upending Who We Are (Abrams, 2020), which The Wall Street Journal calls “a fascinating account of lives dramatically affected by genetic sleuthing.” With more than 37 million people having been tested, a tipping point has been reached. Virtually all Americans are affected whether they have been tested or not, and millions have been impacted by significant revelations in their immediate families. The presentation will discuss the implications of home DNA testing for Jewish genealogy, as well as the unique challenges of genetic genealogy for Ashkenazim.
Program cosponsored with Temple Beth Am Sunday Salon.
Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami
Received the following from US Citizenship and Immigration Service. Note time lags for requests and links resources that USCIS has.
Seymour (Sam) Samuels, III
Gainesville, Virginia, USA
Search Interests (Name – other information):
Samuels – Channel Islands (UK); Germany; Poland; Tennessee
Rosenfeld – Germany; District of Columbia; Virginia, Atlanta, GA, USA; Confederate Soldiers; Union Soldiers
Berg – Coblenz (or Koblenz), Germany; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Bobrow – Russia; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA; Denver, Colorado, USA
Wofsy – Daugavpils, Latvia; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Haas – Germany (along Rhine River near Worms); Ohio, USA; Atlanta, Georgia, USA
Schoen – Germany (Furth (near Nuremberg) and Berlin); Ohio, USA; Atlanta, Georgia
Wenar – Prague; Vienna, Austria; Bernam, Texas, USA; New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Thanks Mike and David. Elizabeth Abrahams married Israel Jacobs at the Great Synagogue ( Ashkenazi) in 1806. I am guessing her father may have been Ashkenazi, as his Hebrew name is listed as Abraham HaLevi ( Abrahams possibly a patronymic name). I am wondering whether Elizabeth’s mother could have been Sephardi? However, I have no name for her. She would have married into her husband’s Synagogue ( Ashkenazi). Without a name for her mother I am at a loss on what name to search in the Bevis Marks ( Sephardic) records. This time period would be mid/ late1700s. Any further help/ suggestions on where to go would be appreciated.
Elizabeth Graves, London, UK
It isn't good news at all.
Even after reading the press release I don't understand new things can be done for genealogy research. Yes we need access to more records from places that have been hard to access, but Ancestry is already working on that. DNA? What are we going to learn that we don't already have access too? We don't have samples of our ancestors DNA unless you are going to dig up a grave; but then you already know that ancestor. The genomic research institutions are doing their own work on populations not individuals.
Yes, some sort of monetization of the data and invasion of privacy does seem in the cards.
Here is a photo taken of the corner of Willets and Delancey Streets.circa 1901. I found it via Google from some NYC records. The photo tells us a lot..... I suspect NYC has more. Also believe there were fire insurance records for many streets which ofteen include photos. Not sure where t hese can be found.
On a personal note, my own grandmother lived at 105 Willetts from 1898 till 1901, before moving to Williamsburg. She is listed in the 1900 Census probably a page or two after your family.
Richard B. Brown
Mike Coleman London U.K.
The New York Public Library has numerous collections that hold photographs of New York street scenes and houses, a portion of which have been digitized. See:
See also a very useful 2014 piece, "How to Find Historical Photos of New York City," by Carmen Nigro, research librarian at NYPL's division of local history and genealogy, at: https://www.nypl.org/blog/2014/07/30/find-historical-photos-nyc
A Google search with the following search terms "nypl local history nyc street photos" yielded some useful results as well.
Teaneck, New Jersey
Re: The Hebrew translation for the name Yetta #names
My experience has been that on US records where a person is listed, who never came to the US, that their first name is 'Americanized' to the most common one used by Jewish immigrants. For example, 'Wulf' changed to 'William', Tsali changed to 'Charlie', 'Chaya' changed to 'Ida', 'Dvora' changed to 'Dora'. Our immigrant forebears must have had a mental list of the most common Americanized form of a Yiddish name, and then used that one.
For Jennie, the most common original Yiddish first name was Sheina (or its related spellings). Jennie may also have been from Channah, Zlata, or Zisl.
Occasionally (maybe 5-10% of the time), I've also had the original maiden surname of a person who did not come to the US, also Americanized, or just outright changed to something completely different from the original. I have a Great great grandmother who Jewishgen records show as Beile Eivus (possibly related to Heifetz). On the US marriage records of her children, they always use Bella as the first name, but have Havets, Fineberg, Bargman, or Levine given as her maiden surname. I suspect that the one written as Havets is closest to the original surname.
When in doubt, keep looking for more records to sort out inconsistencies.
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus