Re: German Jewish Community: Grötzingen, Alb-Donau-Kreis, Baden-Württemberg, Germany or Grötzingen, Durlach, Baden, Württemburg #germany


thank you for your information on the communities. I am able to rule out  Alb-Donau-Kreis right away just from the date it was formed. my ancestor was born in 1749 if that helps at all. anyone who has information or leads on churches or synagogue records in the Durlach area during the mid 1700's, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again!
Connie Derosier Carter
Kissimmee, FL, Leominster, MA

Jewish & US Genealogy Research Presentation Slides Available Online for Free #general #records #education #announcements

Michael Moritz

I've placed online for free viewing the presentation slides from 6 different online interactive workshops I've given, covering varying topics in US and Jewish genealogy research. There is a lot of information covered, and I hope you learn something new!

Michael Moritz
Director, Romania Research Division

Is there a commemoration of the Rumbula Massacre? #latvia #holocaust


Does anyone  know if there is a special commemoration for the 80 th anniversary of the Rumbula massacre on Nov 30 and December 8 in Riga I would loke to participate. Likewise does anybody knows about the film which is being made on the subject.
Best regards
Catherine JUROVSKY

Re: Ancestry Appoints Former Amazon and Facebook Executives #announcements #records


Thank you Ellen for this frightening analysis.  Alas, what you have to say is all to possible or should I say probable? 

Even these message boards.  Look at all the information we provide including our actual names. Can we expect to see some sort of targeted ads soon? "Visit the building in Ossining NY where your great-uncle Harry lived from 1934-1944."  If you don't understand the possible absurdity of an ad like this, please look up this town.  I'm not knocking Ossining since it is a nice town in a beautiful location.  Just pointing out bloopers that can be made with targeted ads.

Jessica Schein

Re: JEWS IN HIDING IN NICE DURING WW2 #france #holocaust

Bernard Flam

Dear Catherine, 
I reply in English, as most of our fellow detectives don't speak French : nobody is perfect !
  1. I have discovered it's not easy to recover a post on this forum only by its number, so I attach again the finding aid of "Alpes Maritimes war archives" and some papers by historians about fate of Jews in this area. 
  2. As soon as October 1940, Jews in France (foreign and French citizens) had to register themselves at police station in the place were they were living, free or house arrested. So files are kept in Police archives by the various "Archives départementales". When they registered, the infamous inked stamp "JUIF" was printed on their identity card.
  3. After the first rounds-up of Jews in 1941, some clever Jews printed themselves "JUIF" on their card without going to be registered at the police station. When they were controlled in the street, foreign Jews couldn't hide they were Jews (accent in french, etc.) but as the stamp was printed, policeman couldn't guess they weren't known by the administration and not written on lists for further round-up.
  4. When process of "dénaturalisation" (of Jews being French by easy 1927' naturalization law) started in 1942-1943, administration had to find where Jews were living across France from there official address before 1939. Decree of dénaturalisation was published in Journal Officiel of French laws, but of course, it wasn't the first reading of our Jews in the hiding. Some never heard of the decree. But police read it and could check with persons on their lists and go to search them.
  5. Concerning registration of foreign Jews living in France who were stateless (as soon as 1918 and as late as, as others refugees), they were and they are registered at OFPRA, "Office français de protection des réfugiés et apatrides" : this is a State administration,
  6. You can ask (in French) if they have a file at your "Losts" :
Bernard Flam
Archives & history of Medem Center - Arbeter Ring (Bund / Workmen circle of France)

Report of Eye Witness to 1941 Erev Sukkot Nadworna Massacre #galicia #holocaust #poland #ukraine

Steven Turner

It is a truly gruesome, horrible and unimaginable event.
My brother Jules and my father (Beryl <Knoll> Weinsieder), a resident of Maidon Gorney, a nearby shetl -  was a Jewish 
laborer at the Foresta Lumber Yard directly adjacent to the Bukowinka Forest murder site. He and the other Jews working there witnessed their friends and family members being unloaded from the trucks where they had been forced to lay down, packed in, side by side with several rows of Jews on top of them - stacked like firewood one on top of the other. 
They were taken into the forest to an abandoned ammunition trench from WW1, where they were forced to undress and were made to go onto planks spanning the open pit where they were shot to death. Snarling German Shepherd attack guards also assisting.  Our father had climbed a high stack of logs in the lumber yard, looking down onto and witnessing the massacre.  He saw at least  20 of his cousins, aunts and uncles from Nadvorna being murdered. The shootings went on for hours - and then suddenly stopped. We later learned, in researching this Aktion, that is was  because the Germans ran out of bullets. The survivors living long enough to experience internment in the ghetto, further deprivations and subsequent deportations.  
Lily Bink is our cousin. Her dad also worked at the lumber yard - but I am not sure if he was there at that time or later.
Kind regards,
Richard Weinsieder

Thank you, Richard, for sharing your father’s vivid and horrific memory of that day - I imagine it was seared into his mind forever. My father, Abe Winiger, did also work at the same Foresta Lumber Yard, but never spoke of that tragic day. He and my mom, Mina Winiger, also lost siblings, cousins and countless relatives in that Aktion. Whether Abe was not at the sawmill that day, or chose not to speak of it, I will never know. 

Lily Bink

Re: 84 Willett Street #general #usa

e l

The following article details available photographs and many other records of genealogical interest, held at the New York City Municipal Archives:
“Online Resources of Genealogical Value at the New York City Municipal Archives,” Avotaynu: The International Review of Jewish Genealogy, Teaneck, New Jersey, Vol. XXXV, No. 2, Summer 2019, pp. 11-14. To the best of my knowledge, it is not available online.

Edward David Luft

Washington, DC

Re: Russian army recruits 1880s #russia #general

Jill Whitehead

At least one of my four great grandparents escaped to Britain in the late 1860's and early 1870's, to escape being called up by the Tsar, and for their fathers possibly being involved in the 1863 Polish Uprising. Once you were enlisted you were in the Russian Army for 25 years. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Query about Hungarian marriage certificate from 1903 #hungary #general


Her name is written as Gertner. If you’re certain it’s your grandmother then it’s a mistake. I’ve never seen married names written for the bride, but I’ve seen lots of wrong names being recorded. 
Stephen Schmideg
Melbourne, Australia

Re: German Jewish Community: Grötzingen, Alb-Donau-Kreis, Baden-Württemberg, Germany or Grötzingen, Durlach, Baden, Württemburg #germany

Rodney Eisfelder

According to the German wikipedia, there are three places called Grötzingen, all in the state of Baden-Würtemburg.
One of them is next to Durlach, on the outskirts of Karlsruhe. One is in Alb-Donau-Kreis not far from the city of Ulm, and the third is part of the town of Aichtal, roughly midway between the other two.
You'll need to assess your sources to decide which is the correct one, or perhaps you could reach out to the local archives to see if they have any trace of your ancestors family.

I hope this helps,
Rodney Eisfelder,
Melbourne, Australia

Re: Austrian military official #austria-czech #general

Ilan Ganot

The term Militär-Rechnungsoberoffizier can be translated to: Senior Military Paymaster.
The following image shows the inscription on the gravestone of a Rechnungsunteroffizier, which can be translated to: Non-commissioned Officer Military Paymaster.

Ilan Ganot

Query about Hungarian marriage certificate from 1903 #hungary #general

Richard Gartner

Hello everyone,
This is my first message to this list and I would like to say hello. My query relates to a record I have found of my grandparents' marriage in 1903. It took place in Kezmarok, now in Slovakia but then in the Kingdom of Hungary.
My grandmother was born Rosa SCHENKHEIN in Krakow in 1885 but on the record she is recorded as 'Rachel GARTNER' - GARTNER was her groom's surname. This is rather strange but I wonder if it was the custom to record the bride with her new surname and to use a biblical first name instead of her original one?
I wonder if anyone who has experience with the genealogy of this area could clear up this mystery?
Many thanks and it's nice to meet you all!
Best wishes,
Richard Gartner

Help locating J. Weissberg or his family #general #usa


I found, right these days, a letter envelope, bearing the date of October 1963. The letter sent to my father (Chaim Godelnik) who died in 1977. The name and address of the sender is J. Weissberg 1822 E. 29th St. Bklyn N.Y. USA. I have a reasonable basis to believe that this is a relative. I would appreciate help in locating the writer or his family members so I can contact them.


Joseph Godelnik

A Murder #ukraine #general


In 1937, Yehuda Pen was murdered in Vitebsk, Ukraine. He was the first art teacher of Marc Chagall. I have not been able to find out his relatives. We share the name Pen (my grandfather and father were listed as Pen on their documents.) The name is unusual in eastern Europe. How would I find out if we are related when I can find no family for him?
Thank you.
Sandra Penn (the extra n was added at Castelgarten.)

Survivors Returning to Sighet and Maramures #holocaust #hungary

Sandra Malek

Survivors Returning to Sighet and Maramures

We are in the process of indexing some interesting new records for Maramaros-Maramures researchers! These are the books that registered returning persons from the Shoah, and recorded accounts of money and goods, such as clothing, food, and bedding that were provided to the returners.

There are two record books in this set:

·         Book I, Returning Persons to Sighet, Maramures, Romania, and

·         Book II, Returning Persons from various towns to Maramures, Romania.

These books were kept in the Jewish Community Center in Sighet, Maramures, Romania. They are not in the Romanian National Archives, so far as we know.

The fields of information indexed in this set, for either of the books, are as follows:

·         Record number, organized alphabetically, by first letter of surname. And then by registration or arrival date after the Shoah

·         Date of return or registration

·         Surname and Given name of returned person

·         Town of residence, with street address where available (primarily in Sighet). It is not clear if this address is where the person lived before deportation, or where they were living at the time of their registration

·         Occupation, translated from Romanian as possible

·         Birthplace

·         Date of birth

·         Surname and given name of the mother

·         Place from which the person was deported

·         Place where the person was interned

·         Record number. It is unclear what this number represents. In many cases it appears to be the ID given inmates in the camps, but there is no explanation in the record.

Not included as a field in the index where the record kept on money provided to the returning persons, or records of food, bedding and clothing distributed to the persons.

You can search the records in the Holocaust database, and the Hungarian and Romanian databases. You can also search it through a general search.

We thank the following individuals who have devoted much time and effort to indexing these materials:

Daniel Horowitz, who located the records, arranged permission from the Jewish Community Center in Sighet, Romania, to photograph the pages, made the images, and then stitched them together beautifully!

Indexers Ronald Wagmann, Ida Gold, Suzanne Geroe, and Sandy Malek for the Sighet book. Sandy Malek for the Maramures book.  Special thanks to Vivian Kahn and Nolan Altman for all support freely given!

The book of Sighet returners is now available on JewishGen, and contains in excess of 2100 records. The book of Maramures returners will be available shortly, and will contain in excess of 5000 additional records.

Sandy Malek,

Coordinator of the Maramures Records Indexing Project of the Hungarian Research Division

#general, #holocaust, #hungary, #romania


Re: German Jewish Community: Grötzingen, Alb-Donau-Kreis, Baden-Württemberg, Germany or Grötzingen, Durlach, Baden, Württemburg #germany

Andreas Schwab

Durlach is today part of the city of Karlsruhe. It was the capital of the Margravate (Duchy) of Baden-Durlach, which existed from 1535 bis 1771. The Alb-Donau-Keis region was formed in 1973. The two regions are at two opposite ends of Baden-Württemberg: Karlsruhe in the West almost near the Rhine river, and  Alb-Donau-Keis at the East surrounding Ulm at the Danube river. 
In order to help you, we would need more details of the sources you have, most importantly about the time frame. Germany's political geography has changed many times during the last millennia.
Andreas Schwab, Montreal, Canada

Re: Ancestry Appoints Former Amazon and Facebook Executives #announcements #records

Ellen Slotoroff Zyroff

This added, hand-picked team, hired because of their very specialized expertise, is scary, though not, sad to say, totally unexpected, given the every increasing and pervasive data gathering already in more than full swing about us all across the globe.

This set of very high level new hires is a very specialized set of data miners, data manipulators, data sorters and data intercessionists.

Already we have the chilling reality that everyone who spends any time online is already being defined, sliced and diced, and categorized according to our demographics, religion, documented and perceived political registration and views, the sites we look at and/or to which we subscribe and/or to which we post, who are our relatives and friends, what kind of purchases we make, trips we take, the kinds of searches we do online, with whom do we communicate, to what organizations do we and other family members belong, to whom to we make donations, With the data rich far more detailed data that sits on genealogical websites and discussion boards archives and family trees, and the proven connections revealed by DNA, connections that most often prove our ethnic ancestry, the reason some people have refused to participate in DNA testing begins to loom large. Those who have stayed away from creating a DNA trail and/or even a paper trail perhaps don't seem as paranoid as they once did. Given the ever increasing surge of anti-Semitism worldwide, including an increasing number of very active, high profile policy-making Jew/Israel haters in Congress and at every level of government and of agencies and the unravelling of logic and unravelling of personal safeguards in government, what would prevent the easy mining and Boolean searching of the humongous amount of data already on Ancestry, both the data posted there, the uploads from big partner organizations and what I think is the largest personal DNA source anywhere.

The decision to innocently or not innocently search out members of the tribe, or those who have x-amount of social and/or genetic relationship currently or historically is a piece of cake, then put it all in zip code, voting district, or neighborhood order, or further defined by affiliations, could be carried out in a matter of minutes. That the walls between the online data giants and government are just about all gone is clear to anyone who follow the news.

The players are conglomerates and their active scope of information and communication reach is at all levels, from international to local to block to house level to individual level.

Nobody asked any of us for truly informed permissions, or even bothered to make clear the "innocent" or perhaps even not innocent extent of the societal and individual privacy/liberty invasion and capture and storage of who we and our ancestors were, what they did, where they came from, what ethnic names they had, who our relatives are, when Amazon and the other now big data companies started and when they continue to ramp up the invasion of our every key strike, every communication, every on demand connection that artificial intelligence can is making.

Some will respond that the world today is indeed a Big Brother world with full Big Brother capabilities, but that David and Sarah Citizen should not fall into the paralyzing paranoia of seeing a Hitler around ever corner. Most of us would have agree with that 20 years ago, even 10 years ago.

Still, it's impossible for people like the participants here, who know Jewish history, know about "in every generation," we who have been thick into the every more sophisticated and ever more searchable and manipulatable and multiple factor drill down data retrieval, not to think about what "value added" outputs of multifaceted family data might be requested, facilitated...and used by the infusion of a cherry picked set of corporate/government partnership players - players who are identified by just such skills - into what has been until the almost entirely non-political genealogical enterprise.

Ellen Zyroff

On Saturday, September 18, 2021, 04:29:56 PM PDT, Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...> wrote:

Ancestry has appointed Brian Donnelly formerly head of Diagnostics and Genomics at Amazon, has been  named Senior Vice President and General Manager of AncestryDNA, Ashish Nayyar Facebook’s Senior Director of Data Science, as Chief Data Officer and Heather Friedland Promoted to Chief Product Officer. Formerly Heather served as Senior Vice President, New Products & Growth.


To read the press release and learn more about the three new Ancestry leaders see:


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


ZOLOTOROV (Chernigov, Ukraine; Kiev, Ukraine);
SLOTOROFF (Kiev, Ukraine)
LEVINE (Ukraine and Minsk, Belarus);
GLUSKIN (Ukraine)
LIMON (Berestechko, Volynia, Ukraine)
TESLER (Horochiv, Volynia, Ukraine)
ZYRO (Zabolativ, Ukraine) 
TAU (Zalolativ, Ukraine)
ROTH / ROT (Ataki, Bessarabia, Moldova)
BLAUSTEIN (Chernigov, Ukraine or Minsk, Belarus)

German Jewish Community: Grötzingen, Alb-Donau-Kreis, Baden-Württemberg, Germany or Grötzingen, Durlach, Baden, Württemburg #germany


I have a question that I hope that someone can help me with. My 4th g grandfather was born in Grötzingen, Baden, Württemburg, Germany. Now, I've seen records in Canada, where he "immigrated" (was sent as a soldier), lived and died. Those sources say that he was born in the "Durlach" Province. Then,  on another site, I saw that he was born in that "Alb-Donau-Keis" Province or region. I can't verify that source as it is on a site that I don't have access to. Does anyone know the difference between the two regions? Are they the same? I've been researching all day and can't find enough information on either to make a determination. I also can't seem to verify which area that my ancestor was actually born in. Is there a good site to verify this information on? His surname changed from Germany to Canada and then again from him to his children and so forth. Additionally, I don't know who his parents are! My ancestor is Michel Süder, just in case you were curious...☺️

Any info on this town would be very helpful.
Connie Derosier Carter
Kissimmee, FL, Leominster, MA

Steven Turner

Erev Sukkot 1941 the Nazis planned a test aktion in Nadworna. Today is the Yahrzeit.

The first Aktion took place on 10.6.1941. The Germans and the members of the Ukrainian police burst into the homes of the Jews and started to assemble them in the square near the church. On the way [there] many of those who refused to go were killed and also those who tried to escape. The Ukrainian population was very active in chasing the Jews down and in their return [to the Germans]. In the afternoon trucks arrived and the Jews were transported to the Bukowinka forest. There they were killed and thrown into ditches. During the killing many of them were being beaten cruelly, and especially, both the Nazis and their helpers, taunted [translator's note: physically abused through pushing, shoving, beating, etc.] the old, the women, the children and the handicapped. Some of the Jews were buried alive. More than 2000 of the Nadwórna Jews were killed in this Aktion and also Jews from the surrounding villages. Among the killed there were also the refugees from Carpatoros.

After a few days the Jews of Nadwórna got permission from the German authorities to cover up the ditches in Bukovinka because the corpses of the killed were thrown around on the ground. The place was fenced in by the surviving members of the community, and even a public kaddish was said over the dead. The apartments of those killed were confiscated and the property was taken out of them and partially was given to the Germans and the remainder was looted by the local population. Now in those apartments lived the members of the German government and Ukrainian families. After the Aktion, the remaining members of the Jewish community wanted to get work permits for the places of work essential for the German industry. 600 Jews worked daily in a sawmill and the young Jews were kidnapped in the autumn of 1941 in order to work in work camps in the area.

This was the first mass shooting in Galicia and a test aktion for the Nazis to see how the townspeople would react to their neighbors being murdered and how psychologically the shooters would handle it. Sadly for our people none of this turned out to be a problem and we all know how many more massacres there were to follow.
Today we remember these sacred martyrs of Nadworna. Attached is a picture from our group trip in 2018 of a Soviet era memorial at the site.
Chag Sukkot Sameach,
Steven Turner
President, Gesher Galicia

Stolpersteine in present-day Poland #poland

Gerald and Margaret

I would like to set up " Stolpersteine" to commemorate my paternal grandparents in a small town, then KANTH, SILESIA  now Katy Wroclawskie in Poland. .  This town is  and was near the chief Silesian City BRESLAU/ WROCLAW,  the capital .  

Has anyone the experience of anything helpful , from a Silesian town council?  They have to be approached first , but many state the relevant records were lost after the War.  Any suggestions what to do next.  ?

Margaret Levin 
N London, UK

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