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Paul Silverstone
My grandfather , original name Hirsch Chrzan, married Esther Silberstein. He came to America under his own name, always spelled differently. At some point after arriving he was asked to spell his name which he could not, so he gave his wife's maiden name, easier to understand. So he became Harris Silberstein, and later anglicized that to Harris Silverstone. Thus he changed his name twice, and at first I was looking for him in all the wrong places.
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Re: French Hegenheim Jewish Cemetery and Book
#france
I have just come across Robert Rover's note from 2008 and I wonder if he was able to research the Hegenheim cemetery book as he sought then. My great aunt (Regine Schornstein Goldstein) is buried there and from the JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR) I have the plot number (J 148). I would like to obtain the full inscription on the gravestone. Better yet I would like to obtain a photo of the gravestone. How could I obtain these things? Thank you very much.
Charles Hexter Rehovot, Israel
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Eva Lawrence
I imagine that one reason for using one's wife's surname to emigrate might be because one was liable for military service or had some other black mark logged against one's true name. I know that in the 20th century, immigration to Canada was barred for people with a range of disabilities and diseases, as well as for a criminal record. This may well have been the case for the United States as well.
-- Eva Lawrence St Albans, UK.
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Translation from Polish requested
#translation
Steven Usdansky
The image is from the birth record of Mindel, the daughter of my great grandfather's sister, Malie Namenwirth, and Jakob-Eliukim Lerner in Dabrowa Tarnowska in 1892. Knowing no Polish, and having a hard time reading the handwriting, the best I can do with Google translate is,"Wmysl 31. Fnstr. meter, the right of this child was encapsulated here on February 16, 1917. on the basis of the provided certificate of the legal marriage of these parents dzicoiw ddeto Dabrowa ol. February 16, 1917." I'd greatly appreciate a more coherent translation. Jumping to conclusions, I assumed this note indicated the legal recognition of Mindel as Jakob-Eliukim's daughter. Is that correct?
Thanks. -- Steven Usdansky usdanskys@... USDANSKY (Узданский): Turec, Kapyl, Klyetsk, Nyasvizh, Slutsk, Grosovo SINIENSKI: Karelichy, Lyubcha, Navahrudak NAMENWIRTH: Bobowa, Rzepiennik SIGLER: "Minsk"
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Re: route from Cherkassy, Ukraine to Manchester, England
#general
rv Kaplan
My grandmother etc travelled from Kaminets-Podolsk, Ukraine in 1906 to Glasgow, Scotland in 1906 via Rotterdam, if that helps. Harvey Kaplan Glasgow FELMAN, Kaminets-Podolsk, Shatava ROSENBLOOM, Kaminets-Podolsk MILER, Kaminets-Podolsk, Balin
On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 17:11, <estherahr@...> wrote:
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Hot Air Balloons Discussion _ Yiddish Postcards
#general
Naomi Stone
Apropos the hot Air discussion:
Naomi Stone
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Peter Cohen
My cousins and I worked for years to identify their grandfather whose name, in US documents, was the same as his wife's maiden name. His wife's family is well documented in the Lithuania records on jewishgen, but there was no sign of him. Eventually, a complicated tale involving DNA led us to a person who turned out to be the grandfather's sister, whose maiden name was known, Researching that name led to a family in Mexico who said "it's not our real name. Our ancestor was paid by a wealthy family to take this name and go into the military. The timing of that event seemed to match the time when the grandfather took his wife's name and emigrated to the US. Not a smoking gun, but very likely.
-- Peter Cohen California
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route from Cherkassy, Ukraine to Manchester, England
#general
estherahr@...
I am interested in knowing what route my grandmother's family took when they went from Cherkassy, Ukraine to Manchester, England in the end of the 19-beginning of the 20 ]century. They did not have too much money and lived in a poor nieghborhood in Manchester Thank you, ESTHER Esther (Herschamn) Rechtschafner
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Re: Judenrats --- friend or foe?
#holocaust
Bruce Drake
My knowledge on the topic comes primarily from the Yizkor book chapters I curate for the JewishGen Facebook page each Friday. There are accounts containing great bitterness towards the Judenrat as well as accounts where the Judenrat was doing what it could to ameliorate life under the Germans. Like all things human, there are good people and bad, weak and strong, evil and just, and the range of people in the Judenrats was no exception. It also varied in terms of how tightly the screws the Germans put on in the places they occupied. You can find a few Yizkor book accounts if you search this archive, (using ctrl-F if you are on a PC): https://bit.ly/3aCH1ak
Bruce Drake Silver Spring, MD
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Re: Jews and Hot Air Balooning
#general
Sidney Conn <sidneyconn@...>
This may not be the historical information that you were seeking but did you know that during the 1980s and up until about 2006, there were two manufacturers of hot air balloons in America? One was owned by Steve Hoffmann who lived in Virginia and the other belonged to my wife Elenor and me. Ours was called Firefly Balloons and it was located in Statesville NC, near Charlotte. A bit of history.....in 1980, El and I flew a balloon over the North Pole. It was an expedition dedicated to Commander Peary, the first to set foot on the Pole and to Salomon Andree, the Swedish leader of the Andree Polar Balloon Expedition of 1897. Andree and two scientists crashed on the ice and perished after almost 30 days. We finished Andree's expedition for him and planted the Swedish flag at the Pole.
Sidney Conn Birmingham Alabama
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Major new Głowno records extraction project launched
#announcements
#names
#lodz
#poland
#russia
Long-time Glowno area researchers will be pleased to learn that Jewish Records Indexing - Poland has undertaken a huge new Phase 3 project to fully extract all Glowno birth, marriage and death records from 1826 to 1913.Until now a basic index of births, marriages and deaths for the period 1877-1913 has been available. To carry out this major initiative, we have acquired scans (digital images) of all surviving Glowno records in the Łódź branch of the Polish State Archives. With your help, we are now looking to produce detailed extractions of the records in our possession, which span nearly 100 years. In addition, we would like to help Glowno researchers access other key sources including pre-1825 patronymic records and Glowno Books of Residents covering the period 1893-1931. If you would like more information the Glowno Phase 3 Town Project, please sign up here. Once you have subscribed, you will receive a full description of the project, explaining how you will be able to obtain extracts of records relating to your family. A qualifying donation of US$200 to the Glowno Phase 3 Town Project will ensure you are first in line to receive your family records as they become available and before they go online. Details of how to donate can be found here (please indicate - Town Name: 'Glowno', Project Description or Special Instructions: Phase 3). Naomi Leon JRI-Poland Town Leader | Glowno & Lodz Area Research Coordinator
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Re: JGSColorado presents "Donating your Family Papers? How, When, Where and Why" and "New Strategies in German Jewish Research" with Karen S. Franklin
#events
#germany
#education
#records
Judy Petersen
CORRECTION!!!
The correct date for Karen Franklin's program is Sunday October 10th. All the other information is correct. We are so excited to have Karen, and you don't have to wait until December to see her! Judy Petersen VP of Programming JGS of CO
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Re: 23andMe Matches Workshop Monday Nov 8, 2021 1-4pm EDT
#education
#announcements
#dna
#jgs-iajgs
#events
Hi,
Still looking for 3 more people interested in learning about the 23andMe Matches platform at 23andMe for this workshop. Contact Arthur Sissman, see below, today!!! -- Regards, Arthur Sissman Jewish Genealogy SIG of Collier/Lee Co FL genresearch13 @yahoo.com (copy and close space in email format to send email, if necessary) Join our FB page at Jewish Genealogy SIG: https://www.facebook.com/groups/hellojewishgen Genealogy Wise page: http://www.genealogywise.com/profile/ArthurSissman
Researching: ZISMAN/ZYSMAN/ZUSMAN (Belarus); TELESHEVSKY (Belarus); CHANUTIN, (W. Russia), BRODY, (Hungary); FRIEDMAN, (Hungary); GRAUBARD, (Romania/Ukraine) TimeZoneConverter. https://www.thetimezoneconverter.com/
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Michael Good
My maternal grandmother was a patient at the Workmen's Circle Sanatorium in the 1930s and her eldest son was a patient at the Jewish Consumptives' Relief Society in the 1940s. I have visited both of them (now serving other uses) and was able to find the places where certain family photos were taken at each one.
JCRS was open through the early 1950s. As mentioned, there are JCRS records online. but I don't know of anything from Workmen's Circle. We figured that one out from letters my Mom saved that had the sanatorium address, and from asking people who were familiar with Loomis and another sanatoria in the Liberty area. Best regards, Michael Good California
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Jan Meisels Allen
On June 16, 2021 the IAJGS Records Access Alert posted about Ancestry’s Yearbook Collection class action lawsuit being dismissed with prejudice. The litigation alleged Ancestry amassed photographs, names, likenesses and identities without permission to sell subscription access to the information and advertise Ancestry services and products—their Yearbook Collection. The plaintiffs alleged Ancestry’s conduct was illegal and their privacy rights were violated.
“In a 12-page order, the judge wrote that for a suit like this to succeed, those bringing it would have to show how Ancestry’s operation of its database resulted in actual injury to those whose pictures and information are stored within it.” The judge found the amended complaint failed to do so. ““The cases recognizing mental anguish all involve other injury,” she wrote. “There is only mental anguish here, and alone, it is not injury in fact.”
In the June order, the Court also found the yearbook pictures are not private enough to warrant special protections. The judge also stated, Ancestry came by the photos in part through donations from former students, and a reasonable person would assume that it was donated to the genealogy company to help with their services — including for publication and marketing. Given the low expectation of privacy for photos like that, she found the company had a right to use them.
Dick Eastman in the Eastman’s Online Genealogy Newsletter posted about a post-appeal motion ruling filed in Ancestry’s right to publicity case, TransUnion LLC v Ramirez. The case was originally dismissed with prejudice, which means it cannot be reopened, but the post-appeal motion asserts an “intervening change in controlling law”.
The motion can be read at:
To read Eastman’s Newsletter article see: https://www.eogn.com/page-18080/11125798
To read the previous postings about Section 230, big technology, privacy issues and more go to the archives of the IAJGS Records Access Alert at: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts/. You must be registered to access the archives. To register go to: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts and follow the instructions to enter your email address, full name and which genealogical organization with whom you are affiliated You will receive an email response that you have to reply to or the subscription will not be finalized.
Jan Meisels Allen Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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JGS-Montreal presents Michael Tobias
#announcements
#dna
#germany
#records
Victoria Barkoff
JGS-Montreal presents Michael Tobias October 4 at 7:30 PM EDT Ich bin ein Berliner JRI-Poland and DNA Matches Unite 5 Half-siblings from 4 Different Mothers live stream: https://youtu.be/4uOb5PKrtwE optional donation: https://jgs-montreal.org/support.html#donations
Posted by Victoria Barkoff for JGS-Montreal
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Demoing Brick Walls – Lessons Learned from Researching Twelve Mystery Families
#dna
#education
#general
#rabbinic
If you are a Jewish genealogist, chances are you have encountered the dreaded brick wall – the seemingly impenetrable barrier beyond which lie untold generations of unknown ancestors who represent a proud Jewish heritage that has become shrouded in mystery.
There are many causes for these genealogical barriers – the pogroms of the late 1800s and early 1900s in Czarist Russia, WW-I, the Russian Revolution, WW-II, and the Holocaust – to name just a few. These traumatic events were followed by mass immigration to America and other countries, through which families were split, communication pathways between different generations of family members were disrupted, and more information was lost.
The incalculable loss of life resulting from these traumatic events, combined with the destruction of Jewish synagogues and cultural and religious institutions, has left a huge information void in its wake, and much Jewish genealogical information has been lost or destroyed. This has resulted in many American Jews losing contact with their ancestral origins.
If the 19th and 20th centuries represented a period of loss of Jewish cultural and genealogical repositories of information and knowledge, the 21st century, with its technological advancements in genetic genealogy, and the promise of global online access to genealogical information databases, offers opportunities for rediscovering our ancestral origins, and for recovering at least a part of our lost Jewish heritage.
As Jewish genealogical researchers, we wondered what it would be like if we tried to demolish some of these brick walls. Could it be done, and if so, how? We decided to embark on such a research study by focusing on a dozen families who all shared one thing in common – they all claimed descent from Rebbe Yehuda Leib of Shpola, a famed 18th-century tzaddik and early Chassidic leader in the Russian Empire (now Ukraine) better known as the Shpoler Zeida.
Although eleven of the twelve families had an oral history of descent from the Shpoler Zeida, none of them had a family tree or yichus document showing precisely how they descend from him. The remaining family was unaware that they are descendants. We coined the term “mystery families” for these twelve families since how they descend from the Shpoler Zeida was a mystery.
In studying these mystery families, we began with the concept of being inclusive and accepted their family histories of being descendants of the Shpoler Zelda as genuine. We then started with what the family knew about their ancestry and did our best to reconstruct their line of descent by thoroughly researching the paper trail. Our research enabled us to fill in the gaps in the lineage, connect the key ancestor to the Zeida lineage, and confirm the line of descent from the Shpoler Zeida for two of the twelve mystery families.
For five other mystery families, we present plausible hypotheses for how these families connect to the Shpoler Zeida’s family tree, based upon the available evidence while indicating the limitations and uncertainties involving their hypothesized connections. Although we believe that we solved the mystery of how they connect to the Shpoler Zeida, their lines of descent should be considered provisional or conditional until they can be validated and confirmed.
For another five mystery families, we could not fill every gap in the lineage or identify every ancestral link in the chain with complete certainty, and the resultant uncertainty in their lineage prevents us from connecting their descendants to the Shpoler Zeida family tree at the present time. We reconstructed their line of descent to the extent possible, in the hope that making this information more widely available will result in a key piece of evidence being discovered which will help bridge the remaining gaps in their lineage.
In looking back over the lessons learned over the course of our research, we found that if we assembled all of the available information regarding what was known about each lineage, and then targeted our research toward filling in the remaining data gaps, we were often successful in reconstructing the line of descent. Often, one key document or piece of evidence, such as a Y-DNA genetic match, a census record, a birth record, a tombstone inscription, or a naturalization petition, served to unlock the door and enabled us to reconstruct the line of descent. Sometimes, the smallest detail, such as an obscure article in a Hebrew newspaper, or an entry in a family member’s biography, was enough to cause the wall to crumble.
We are planning to publish all twelve of these genealogical research studies, the first two of which have already been posted to Academia.edu: “Solving the Mystery of the Greenberg Family’s Descent from the Shpoler Zeida,” and “Solving the Mystery of the Polonsky Family’s Descent from the Shpoler Zeida.” We hope that the research methods provided in these research studies provide a useful model for other Jewish genealogists to follow. Here are the links:
Dr. Jeffrey Mark Paull, Dr. Jeffrey Briskman, and Susan K. Steeble
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Re: PLOTKIN: Bischoff (Biechof), Moliger: Ukraine or Belarus?
#russia
Sherri Bobish
Norman,
I looked at his nat paper, and my guess' are: Either Bykhaw or Byalynichy in the region of Mogilev. https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1945803 Mahilyow [Bel], Mogilev [Rus], Molev [Yid], Mohylew [Ger, Pol], Mohyliv [Ukr], Mogiliovas [Lith], Mohylów, Mogilew, Mahileu, Mohilev, Mahiliou, Mogilyov, Mohliv, Mogilev-na-Dniepr Region: Mogilev https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1941219 Byalynichy [Bel], Belynichi [Rus], Belinitch [Yid], Białynicze [Pol], Białyničy [Bel], Bjalynicy, Bialynichy, Byelinichi Region: Mogilev https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1942018 Bykhaw [Bel], Bykhov [Rus], Bichov [Yid], Bikhov Yashan [Heb], Bychów [Pol], Alt-Bikhev, Staryy Bykhov, Stary Bychów, Bychov, Bychaw, Bychaŭ Region: Mogilev Also, Kijon looks like Kiyow on the nat paper. That is just a poor spelling of what Kiev sounded like to the clerk. Take into consideration that the clerk had to write down the current year and Jake's age and do the math on paper to figure out his year of birth. My guess is that neither spelling nor math was this clerk's strong point. Good luck in your search, Sherri Bobish Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala / Ragola, Lith.) WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne / Istryker, Pol.) LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.) LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD / FINK, KALTER (Daliowa/ Posada Jasliska, Pol.) BOJDA / BERGER (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.) SOKALSKY / SOLON / SOLAN / FINGER(MAN) (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.) BOBISH / APPEL (Odessa?)
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Re: What's this number on a passenger list?
#records
Sherri Bobish
Erika,
It is a reference to naturalization that was written in on the manifest years later. Good luck in your search, Sherri Bobish Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala / Ragola, Lith.) WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne / Istryker, Pol.) LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.) LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD / FINK, KALTER (Daliowa/ Posada Jasliska, Pol.) BOJDA / BERGER (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.) SOKALSKY / SOLON / SOLAN / FINGER(MAN) (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.) BOBISH / APPEL (Odessa?)
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Re: Judenrats --- friend or foe?
#holocaust
Sniderlh
Hi Susan,
You are so right about not judging others when one hasn't been in their situation, and not knowing the "complete picture" of such events. That's part of our undertaking with genealogy, I feel, being able to accept/deal with whatever one might uncover. Records, or not, I don't think it's appropriate to judge past events by today's standards (which seem pretty fuzzy anyway). Hindsight is quite clear compared to living something in the moment. I am often wondering and asking myself how I might have dealt with living through many past events. Thanks for your input. -- Leah Heilpern Snider Silverdale, Washington/ USA
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