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Re: Please help decipher German and Hebrew #translation

ramot418@...
 

The "Hebrew" is actually Yiddish - a language which I don't know well enough to translate.

Steve Goldberg
Jerusalem, Israel


BMD civil registration in Galicia & Poland, FHL lookups #poland #records #galicia #ukraine

Family and DNA
 

Hello all. I've read here & in other genealogy groups that people often didn't declare birth/marriage/divorce/death with the civil government in Galicia & Poland etc. because the pricing was prohibitive, so all info was registered only religiously. Something like a marriage might be registered well afterwards for a paperwork reason -- impending illness/emigration for instance, explaining why I've see marriages of people in their 60s (who had kids in their 20s). And this is why birth records will say that a child is "illegitimate" because parents not civilly married. 

I have a few questions about this.

  • What was the cost of such a registration in Galicia & Congress Poland? 
  • Was it the same situation in "Russia"/Ukraine?
  • How did these costs compare to people's "net wealth" (or whatever you wanna call it)?
I found the 1880 birth in Krakow of a cousin's husband on JRI-Poland & after I got lost looking on the new Polish site, I tried familysearch, using the film # listed on JRIP. The film wasn't available for me to page through at home, so I requested the record via the new FHL lookup service. I got back not just a copy of the page but also a close-up (both JPGs) as well as a complete word-for-word translation (Word doc), amazing!!

In the nice explanatory notes after the translation it says "his parents were married only religiously, in a synagogue, not in the civil records office. The custom to avoid taxes when having many children." That last sentence surprised me -- after all, future kid births has nothing to do with marriage registration, so that's obviously wrong. But I assume this was just confused with the question of birth registration costs -- was it almost impossible in the first place (even for just one kid), or was it just super expensive?

I want to send a response thanking the service but also correcting this comment, but first i need to edumacate myself!

regards,

Juliana Berland (France)

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Galicia: BADER, BADIAN, FELDMANN, FREIDENHEIM/FREUDENHEIM, GERTLER, VIENER * Germany: ADELSDORFER, BÄR/BAER, EPSTEINN, HAUSSMAN, ISSAK, MEYER, MOSES, ROSENSTEIN * Romania: HORNSTEIN * Russia: AMBURG, BENIN/BERLAND, BERKOVICH/BERKOWITZ, EPSTEIN, GELBURD/GOLDBERG/GAYLBURD/GILBERT


Re: Travel from Palestine early 1900s #general

Rose Feldman
 

From the little I have been able to find is that people traveling to the US did it in two stages.  There were ships that traveled around the Mediterranean and people traveled from Palestine to a port that was also visited by ships that sailed to the US.  I have not seen any lists of people leaving Palestine. Even during the British Mandate, we have yet to find lists of people leaving. 
 
Many of the companies that owned these ships no longer exist.  If you know the name of the company try looking for their archive. If you find it I would appreciate your letting me know.

Rose Feldman
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year
Israel Genealogy Research Association 
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Rose Feldman
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Death Dates Of Great Grandparents In Wysokie Mazowieckie Poland #poland

JrRothst@...
 

I'm trying to locate when my great grandparents Chain-Berek and Esther-Golda (Weinberg) BOBER passed away in Wysokie Mazowieckie, Poland which was before 1929. The JRI-Poland website for Wysokie Mazowieckie lists a Sorka and Aron BOBR from the 1840's who may be related since their father is listed as "Berek". Besides BOBR I tried the alternate surnames BOBAR, BUMBAR, and BUBAR in the JRI-Poland database but I still ran into a brick wall. Although there's no tombstones in the old Wysokie Mazowieckie Jewish Cemetery I wonder if the records exist from the cemetery? I also wonder if the records of the Wysokie Mazowieckie synagogue exist? 

Jerald A. Rothstein


Re: Need help identifying my maternal grandfather #dna

Meserich
 

Richard A. Di Lorenzo

This made my body tremble .. And I feel a connection so strong but so strong in all this, that I could not explain it by this means .. I am willing to help you. I am new to this, but I have a lot of time to surf the networks, having an information base on the matter.
 
You can talk to me at my email if you wish. Meserich@...


Re: route from Cherkassy, Ukraine to Manchester, England #general

Ellen Slotoroff Zyroff
 

My father's first cousin told me that her mother told her that she (the mother, Chaike) and her younger brother (Ilya Anshul), with ship tickets/or perhaps vouchers paid for in the U.S. by their older sister (my grandmother), who was already settled for a good number of years in NJ, walked from Ukraine across Europe by night, until they reached Le Havre, the port from which their ship left on its route to the U.S. The reason (or perhaps one reason) they did it this way (also they, too, were very poor), according to my dad's cousin is that her mom and/or uncle feared danger en route by foot, since Chaike was a beautiful red-head young woman.

I've read that those who walked the long distances on their way out of Europe were known as "Fussgehers."


Ellen Slotoroff Zyroff

Searching: ZOLOTAROV; SLOTOROFF (Ukraine); LEVINE (Ukraine); ROTH/ROT/RUT (Bessarabia); PEISTERMAN (Bessarabia); ZYRO (Poland and Galicia); TAU?(Galicia);TESLER (Volynia) LIMON (Volynia); KRANTZ (Ukraine); BRAFMAN (Poland); EICHEN (Poland)

On Wednesday, September 29, 2021, 09:11:24 AM PDT, <estherahr@...> wrote:



 I am interested in knowing what route my grandmother's family took when they went from Cherkassy, Ukraine to Manchester, England in the end of the 19-beginning of the 20
]century. They did not have too much money and lived in a poor nieghborhood in Manchester Thank you, ESTHER

Esther (Herschamn) Rechtschafner
 
 
 
 
 

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ZOLOTOROV (Chernigov, Ukraine; Kiev, Ukraine);
SLOTOROFF (Kiev, Ukraine)
CHARKOVSKY or SHARKOVSKY(Ukraine);
LEVINE (Ukraine and Minsk, Belarus);
GLUSKIN (Ukraine)
LIMON (Berestechko, Volynia, Ukraine)
TESLER (Horochiv, Volynia, Ukraine)
ZYRO (Zabolativ, Ukraine) 
TAU (Zalolativ, Ukraine)
PISTERMAN (Ukraine)
ROTH / ROT (Ataki, Bessarabia, Moldova)
BLAUSTEIN (Chernigov, Ukraine or Minsk, Belarus)


(US) Supreme Court Agrees to Hear Museum Win in Nazi-Plundered Art #announcements #holocaust

Herbert Lazerow
 

   The Supreme Court will not directly decide the issue of return of the painting.  The grant of certiorari is to decide whether a trial court, in a case where jurisdiction is based on the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, should use the federal choice of law rule, which in this case chose Spanish law, or the choice of law rule for the state in which the court sits, which in this case would be the California rule.  If the court choses the federal rule, the case is over.  If the court chooses the California rule, the case goes back to the trial court to decide how the California choice of law rule would be applied. It might decide that the California choice of law rule would also select Spanish law, or it might decide that the California choice of law rule selects California law.
Bert  
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Herbert Lazerow
Professor of Law, University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110
lazer@...
Author: Mastering Art Law (Carolina Academic Press, 2d ed. 2020)


Re: route from Cherkassy, Ukraine to Manchester, England #general

Ruth
 

My great grandmother, 2 great uncles and a cousin left Kaminetz Podolsk (Ukraine) in 1913.  They travelled by horse and cart over the nearby border into Austria.  They then went by train in a goods type wagon to Vienna.  From Vienna they travelled to Bremen and from there by boat to London.  From London they caught a train to Manchester to be reunited with with my grandfather and another great uncle who had made the journey a few years previously.  

Ruth Bloomfield
London


Need help identifying my maternal grandfather #dna

Richard A. Di Lorenzo
 


 

I am looking to hire someone to help me find out just who my maternal grandfather was. Here’s a summary:

 

My sisters and I are in our 70s; and, based on DNA analysis, we are each about 50% Jewish.  Until we were in our 20s we thought we were were 100% Italian. That’s when our mother learned, and notified us, that she had been given away as an infant/baby! A Mrs. Pinto took her in and raised her as a daughter - on the upper east side of Manhattan - this would be 1915. Mrs. Pinto already had a daughter, Theresa, 10. 

 

Theresa kept a few of the letters that my mother’s birth guardians independently sent to Mrs. Pinto - asking about my mother’s welfare. Based on these letters, which I now possess, and a brief oral history that Theresa ultimately provided to her own daughter Geri: my mother’s birth guardians were a Jewish woman named Anna and an Italian immigrant named Raffaele Beneduce. 

 

Based on DNA analysis, my father’s grand-niece has no Jewish blood, so I believe my father had no Jewish blood. Thus, my mother must have been 100% Jewish, meaning both of her birth parents were 100% Jewish. I am quite confident Anna was 100% Jewish; two of my 100% Jewish second cousins are her grandnephews, but they have very little info about her.

 

And, based on DNA analysis, Raffaele’s grand nephew has no Jewish blood, so I believe Raffaele had no Jewish blood.  My conclusion is that Raffaele could not have been my mother’s birth father.

 

I need help in finding out who my maternal grandfather was. Did he have other children? Where, when, how did he die? Where is he buried?  I would also like to answer the same questions about my maternal grandmother Anna. I have reason to believe Anna, besides NYC, lived briefly in Akron, Ohio; and in Tuxedo, NY; and in Philadelphia; but that she was born in Minsk, Russia.

 

In ancestry.com I have many many Jewish Matches.  In MyHeritage.com I have more than 16,000 Jewish Matches! But I don’t know how to “mine the gold” - to figure out who my maternal grandfather was. Who can help me? I am willing to pay. I now reside in Beavercreek, Ohio and Naples, FL.

 

Richard A. Di Lorenzo


Re: Seattle Passenger List #general

Michele Lock
 

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 02:49 PM, Trudy Barch wrote:
Krasnowsky

This is one of the more interesting passenger ship lists I've ever seen.

The first page is here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-95FB-9NWS?i=856&cc=1916081&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKY2Q-5FC

I think the 'Debarred quota (July 31, 1923) might refer to the immigration quotas that had gone into effect, that reduced the number of immigrants from certain countries. Though these weren't as restrictive as those that went into effect after 1924. Next the 'something on appeal' to me looks like 'adm on appeal' or admitted on appeal, so the family must have appealed the first decision and been allowed to enter the US. The later dates might have something to do with applying for citizenship, though I'm not certain.

You can try flipping through the images of the ship list pages, backwards to the first sheet and forward to the last page, to see if there is any other information about this family.

If you go to the second page of this ship list (next image), it says the family is going to Clara's father in Chicago. In column 18, it asks if she's ever been in the US before, and it says yes, then it's typed the year 1917 (though possibly 1905 is written above). 

In the 1930 census, Clara says in column 22 that she immigrated in the year 1905 to the US. The two children born in Japan say they immigrated to the US in 1924.

Did you know that Clara had been in the US before 1923? 

Have you tried looking for an arrival for Clara and her father around 1905 (+/- 3 years or so)? Or looked for the 1910 and 1920 census records for her father in Chicago, to see what those say?

The other records you can look for are naturalization papers for the two children. Those might shed light on when they entered the US.

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Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus


(US) Supreme Court Agrees to Hear Museum Win in Nazi-Plundered Art #announcements #holocaust

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

I have been advised that I posted the incorrect Pissarro painting to my original posting. The painting above is the correct Rue Saint-Honoré in the Afternoon. Effect of Rain - Pissarro, Camille. Museo Nacional Thyssen-Bornemisza.

The New York Times article originally mentioned is no longer posted. Instead for more information see: https://www.bakersfield.com/ap/national/us-supreme-court-to-hear-case-involving-california-familys-nazi-looted-painting/article_ca0b643c-ebc7-5e9c-902f-33af696f9c34.html

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Pubic Records Access Monitoring Committee

From: Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:17 AM
To: IAJGS Leadership Forum <leadership@...>
Subject: (US) Supreme Court Agrees to Hear Museum Win in Nazi-Plundered Art

 

  

 

 

The United States Supreme Court has agreed to review a Ninth Circuit decision that affirmed a lower court’s judgement that a Spanish Museum did not break that country’s laws by acquiring a Camille Pissarro painting stolen by the Nazis.  The case was originally posted about  to this forum in August 2020.

 

The petition may be read at: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20-1566/178522/20210506160846736_Cassirer_Petition%20For%20A%20Writ%20Of%20Certiorari.pdf

 

The painting is, "La Rue St. Honoré, effet de Soleil, Après-Midi, 1898,” (Rue Saint-Honoré, Afternoon, Rain Effect,) an oil-on-canvas work of a rain-swept Paris street that Pissarro painted as he gazed at the scene from his hotel window.

 

Lilly Cassirer’s father-in-law bought it directly from Pissarro’s art dealer and left it to her and her husband when he died. In 1939, she traded it to the Nazis in exchange for exit visas for herself, her husband and her grandson, who eventually settled in the U.S. Her great-grandson, David Cassirer of San Diego, has continued the litigation since his father's death.

 

Neither Cassirer's heirs nor Spain's Thyssen-Bornemisza Museum dispute the painting's early history.

 

What's at issue all these years later is whether Baron Hans Heinrich Thyssen-Bornemisza made any serious effort to determine the painting was looted art when he acquired it from a New York gallery owner for $275,000 in 1976.  Also in question is whether the Spanish curators did their due diligence in tracing its provenance when a Spanish nonprofit foundation acquired it and hundreds of other paintings from the baron's collection in 1992 and created the Madrid museum that bears his name.

 

Lilly Cassirer’s heirs say she spent years trying to recover the painting before concluding it was lost and accepting $13,000 in reparations from the German government in 1958.

 

It wasn’t until 1999 that her grandson, Claude, who had vividly recalled seeing it hanging in the family's German home, discovered it in the Madrid museum. After Spain refused to hand it over, he sued.


To read more see:  https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/08/18/us/ap-us-nazi-looted-art.html

 

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 


Jews and hot air ballooning #general

Jonathan Myers
 

Appreciate this info from everyone. Really interesting about Albert Samama-Chikly and the more recent Firefly Balloons. Once I can figure out how to use Jewish Gen to best effect I may well follow up individually. I'm also not an expert at finding census or similar material - still learning. So if anyone knows where I can find - or might even be able to provide - a historical document that shows the Weinlings (or just Aloys Casamir Frederick Weinling) were Jewish, I'd be grateful.
 
Jonathan Myers
 
 
 


Travel from Palestine early 1900s #general

Carol Reisman
 

My grandfather left Palestine around 1916 and eventually sailed to the US from Cherbourg France.
What is the most likely route he could have taken to reach Europe, and do any passenger records exist for passengers leaving from Yaffo or other port in the early 1900s.

In a newspaper clipping I have from Havatzelet late 1890’s another relative sailed from Yaffo to Alexandria Egypt. Any possible records exist from that time?

Thank you
Carol Reisman


Re: 1897 All Empire Russian Census #russia

peggyfreedman@...
 

There is an excellent article about "The 1st National Census of the Russian Empire" by Thomas Edlund in the Fall/Winter 1999 Issue of the FEEFHS Journal (Federation of Eastern European Family History Societies).
The bottom line is that the focus of the census was to collect statistics.  After the statistics were collected, many returns were destroyed, but not all of the returns. Twenty years ago, returns were being found in all sorts of local archives.

When Howard Margol and I worked on the remaining 1897 All Russia Census for Lithuania, we were told that about 10% of the records were preserved for future statistical analysis.  All of those records have been transliterated, indexed, and entered into the Lithuanian databases on JewishGen.  

Previous posters have mentioned work in other areas of the former Russian Empire.  The best thing to do is figure out the likely places that your family came from, then research those places to see what records are available.

Peggy Mosinger Freedman


Re: Help make out and translate mystery postcard #hungary #translation

András Alvincz
 

Since yesterday we have met two Serbian girls and a boy on the train. At first it was very difficult for the Russians to go, but we got more and more into the speech that we understood each other quite well.
Regards Andras Alvincz
(2.Teil)


Re: Help make out and translate mystery postcard #hungary #translation

András Alvincz
 

Dear Erika!
What can be read without a date:
My dear Mom
We are now in Innsbruck, the capital of Tyrol. Thanks to God, our journey is going pretty well. Since yesterday we have met two Serbian girls and a boy on the train.(1 Teil)
Andras Alvincz


Re: (US) Supreme Court Agrees to Hear Museum Win in Nazi-Plundered Art #announcements #holocaust

michele shari
 

I am thrilled that our US Supreme Court agreed to take this case and hopefully right a serious wrong and error done by the lower court and restore this art to the family.
Michele Farkas
Boynton Beach, FL

researching Farkas in Transylvania/Hungary (Carei, Tasnad, Cluj, Kisvarda, Margitta, Satumare), Weiszhauz/Weisshaus (Vamospercs), Rosenfeld (Vamospercs), Isak/Izsak, Taussig/Tauszik, Schein, Pollak (married Farkas), Jakab (married Farkas)

Researching Stauber/Stober/Shtauber (Viseu and surrounding towns, Maramures, Romania), Deutsch, Malek/Malec, Fischman, Genud/Genuth, Apter, Herstik/Hershtik/Herstig, Teszler/Tessler, Davidovici, Ganz/Gancz, Paszternak, Feig, Pollak, Jakab

Researching Kaufman, Horowitz, Hurwitz/Gurevitz, Potashnik/Potasnik/Perlman, Perlmutter/Perelmutter, Lipsky, Leykin/Leikin, from Gomel, Minsk/Russia, Rosen and Resnick from Russia


Re: route from Cherkassy, Ukraine to Manchester, England #general

estherahr@...
 

Thank you for your replies,Previouls I wondered if thy didnot go south to the port in Odessa.Alan Shukat-please chekout my Simferopol wwebsite. I hope youhave some information for me to put on this site. Thanking you in advance.  estherahr@...
Esther (Herschman) Rechtschafner


Kimberley Diamond Mines #southafrica

Esta Kawaoka
 

My mother told me that my grandfather, and at least one other brother, worked in the Kimberley Diamond Mines in South Africa.  Are there any records of mine workers? This would have been in the later part of the 1890’s.
They migrated from Schwekshne Kovno, Lithuania.
Esta Kawaoka


This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks #belarus

Bruce Drake
 

“I still had some hope that one day I would see the town of Kurenets with its Jews the way I wanted to see it, but to my great sorrow it was never to be.”
Yizkor books are filled with chapters about Jews who longed to return home, and did so, after the Nazis were defeated. This excerpt, “A Small Remnant” from the Yizkor book of Kurenets in Belarus, is an eloquent addition to that trove of stories about going home again. The endings are rarely happy, marked by grief over the many that had been lost and towns that were beyond recognition.
Daviv Motosov had left Kurenets in 1941 when Germany invaded Russia and had hear the rumors of bloody massacres and annihilations carried out by the Nazis. As the Red Army began driving out the Germans, he donned a Red Army uniform and set out for home clinging to the hope that “maybe someone from my large family in the area had survived.” But it soon became clear to him that “I would not find any of the dear ones alive, and soon I would enter a huge graveyard that was named Kurenets.”
The rest of the story is best told in his own words.


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Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel

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