Re: Need help identifying my maternal grandfather #dna

Michele Lock

My reference to 'delicate situations' in regards to a person trying to identify an unknown grandparent or parent - what can happen is that if a potential biological relative is contacted by a searcher, and the potential relative has no interest in helping sort out the mystery, it has happened that such a biological relative may cease all contact, remove their DNA accounts from wherever they tested, and take down their online family tree, thus making it that much harder for the searcher to solve the mystery.  The Jewish DNA facebook group has advice on how to minimize this from happening, and how to be respectful when approaching potential biological relatives.

I sense from the original poster's question that he is not interested in trying to prove he is Jewish halachically, only he is wishing to learn more about his biological grandparents.

Though in a related vein - I have a maternal first cousin here in the US who has a daughter who recently married a man who is Modern Orthodox. The groom's mother demanded that my first cousin prove she is Jewish, and DNA was not an option. Luckily, my first cousin is also into genealogy, and already had gravestone photos of our strictly maternal line, going back three generations, all with Hebrew names and burial in Jewish cemeteries. My cousin later said that the rabbi from the Orthodox synagogue who performed the ceremony was embarrassed that this had happened. 

And thanks to Jewishgen, AncestryDNA and New York City death certificates, I've been able to take our strictly maternal line back another 2 generations, to a woman named Sarah Shloimovitch of Lida/Lyubcha Belarus, born approximately 1820.

Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus

Help needed researching Polish holocaust survivor #poland #holocaust

Guy Chazan

Hi there,
I was wondering if JewishGen members could help me with research I am trying to carry out on a man called Mojzesz Drukarz, who was born in Poland in 1924, survived the Holocaust and emigrated to Palestine after the war, later moving to London, where he died in 1987. 
He was a friend of our family and I am doing research for a book in which I am trying to reconstruct his history. He also went by the name of Moshe, Mosze and Mosche. When he emigrated from Poland he changed his name from Drukarz to Drukash. 
I am trying to find birth records for him, and for the rest of his family, and to find out what happened to his other family members. I believe most of them died in the Holocaust. I would also like to try to find out what he did during the war, if there are any records - he told us he joined a partisan group in the forests. 
We have unearthed various documents which show his date of birth as either 10.5.1924 or 10.5.1926.
He is listed in the US Holocaust Memorial Museum database of Holocaust Survivors and Victims as:
Mojzesz Drukarz, born in 1924. His mother is named as Brucha Birenbaum, his father as Josef. His prewar address is listed as Sliska 27, Warsaw, and his postwar address as Targowa 7, Warsaw. On another card his mother's name is given as Brandla Birenbaum, in yet another as Branda. We believe Brandla/Branda/Brucha was born in c. 1908.
Is there anyone at JewishGen who might be able to help with this?  
best regards, Guy Chazan
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JGS Toronto. Free Virtual Meeting. Jacob and the Mandolin Adventure. Anne Dublin. Wednesday, 27 October 2021, at 7:30 p.m. ET.

Jerry Scherer



Jacob and the Mandolin Adventure

Jewish Orphans from Poland to Ontario


Speaker: Anne Dublin




Wednesday, 27 October 2021, at 7:30 p.m. ET.




PRESENTATION: Anne Dublin will speak about researching and writing her historical novel for young people, Jacob and the Mandolin Adventure (Second Story Press, 2021). Through an interactive PowerPoint presentation, Anne will describe the voyage of thirty-eight Jewish orphans from Poland to Georgetown, Ontario, in 1927, their lives at the Canadian Jewish Farm School, and their concert in Carnegie Hall, New York. The themes of friendship, antisemitism, and music are the threads that are interwoven in her presentation. This novel was inspired by historical events about Morris Saxe, who is sometimes called the “Canadian Schindler.”





BIOGRAPHY: Anne Dublin was born in a displaced persons camp in Salzburg, Austria. She and her family came to Canada in 1948 as part of the "Garment Workers' Scheme," or "Tailor Project." Anne grew up in Toronto, and attended York University and the University of Wisconsin. She was an elementary school teacher and librarian for over 25 years in Nairobi, Kingston, Winnipeg, and Toronto. Anne writes biographies and historical novels for young people, as well as short stories for adults. She has won or been nominated for a number of awards, including the Canadian Jewish Book Award and the Canadian Jewish Literary Award (Youth). She is presently working on a collective biography of Jewish women.




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You will then receive an immediate acknowledgement plus the link to access the event on 27 October.


The presentation will be recorded. It will be available to JGS Toronto members in the “Members Only” section of the Society website, a few days after the event. It will also be available to non-member registrants for one week after the event in the “Registration” location.


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What happened to my great, great grandfather after he landed at Ellis Island? #canada #lithuania #usa


Hi everyone –


Over the last 10 years I have been researching my father's family, together with other family members.  We have successfully tracked down all the descendants of my great, great grandfather and their spouses – both living and deceased – and have located the graves of (almost) all the deceased.  However, we have yet to discover what happened to my great, great grandfather and where he is buried.  Here we hit a classic 'brick wall' and would appreciate any help we can get to track him down.


Here are the facts we know about him:

1.      His name is Nissen Sagan, son of Wulf, from the town of Veliuona (Velon) in the Kaunas (Kovno) area of Lithuania.

2.      He left the port of Hamburg, Germany, on February 25, 1894 aboard the ship S.S. Scandia bound for NYC, with his declared destination being Montreal, Canada.

3.      He traveled with his son, Wulf Goldberg (my great grandfather) and his granddaughter Gittel (Esther Bella) Goldberg (my great aunt, and Wulf's daughter), and they all landed at Ellis Island on March 21, 1894. All the above is well documented both in the Ellis Island and Hamburg port documents.

4.      Wulf and Esther Bella both arrived in Montreal shortly thereafter, where they made their new home.  Esther Bella was married 5 years later in Montreal, raised her family there and both she and her father Wulf are buried in Montreal cemeteries.

5.      Nissen's other 2 children, Sarah and Moses, had already settled in Montreal (together with their respective families) during the six years prior to his arrival at Ellis Island.

6.      However, we couldn't find any documentation of what happened to Nissen Sagan after he landed at Ellis Island – a complete 'brick wall'.  We found absolutely no evidence of him ever being in Montreal – both living or deceased.  We scoured all cemeteries in the Montreal area at the time and enlisted the help of the JGS of Montreal as well – absolutely nothing. We also checked Jewish cemeteries on the way from NYC to Montreal (upper NY state).

7.      We know that he had passed away by June 1895 at the latest, since a grandson of his (Moses' son) was born that month in Montreal and named after him. 

So….what happened to him?

I can think of only 2 possibilities – assuming he never made it to Montreal:

(a)   He died shortly after his arrival in NYC – the most likely scenario being he was quarantined for whatever reason.  Unfortunately, we couldn't find any on-line information of those who died in quarantine at that time.

(b)   He returned to Europe.  He had left his wife and daughter-in-law (Wulf's wife) behind together with some other grandchildren (Wulf's children).  However, all – except his wife – arrived in Montreal (via Boston) in December 1894. We have no evidence of his wife ever having traveled from Europe to North America.  However, it makes no sense to us that he would travel all the way to NYC/Montreal and then return almost immediately to Europe since it is obvious that his entire family planned to resettle in Canada.

Can anyone help us solve this mystery?


Steve Goldberg

Jerusalem, Israel (formerly from Montreal)


Re: Need help identifying my maternal grandfather #dna

Sarah L Meyer

She lives in Ohio and or Florida, so there is no problem with DNA testing for her.  Yes the mamzer possibility is why the Chassidic (Haredi) Rabbinate has forbidden DNA testing for the purpose of finding relatives in Israel - but secular Jews find ways around it.

Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: Jill Anderson z"l untimely passing #lithuania #latvia

Daniel Horowitz

We are very sorry to hear about the passing of Jill Anderson,
President of LitvakSIG.

Jill was a key figure in the partnership established between LitvakSIG
and MyHeritage.

We extend our sympathy to her family, friends and all LitvakSIG members.

In the name of the entire MyHeritage team
Daniel Horowitz
Expert genealogist

Re: The Hebrew translation for the name Yetta #names

Sarah L Meyer

Do you have Hebrew on her tombstone?  A Ketuba?  Either of these would give her Hebrew/Yiddish name as opposed to other possibilities (of which there are many).

Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: The Cohen Family from Rumford/Biddeford Maine #usa #general #lithuania


CORRECTION - Minna/Minnie Rose Glickman born 1896 Vilna, Lithuania * died 1987 Boston, MA USA
~ Carla Ashton-Cohen

Re: Kimberley Diamond Mines #southafrica


In 1900 my grandfather, Albert Isaacs,  travelled from  Manchester, UK,  to Kimberley to make his fortune in the diamond mines.  Unfortunately that didn't happen. He stayed with his Aunt and Uncle, as his Uncle was a manager of one of the mines.    A family diary describes his 2 month stay in Africa.  Bad health meant that he had to search for another job, and at some stage he went to Aliway North to work for Mr. Levy, a Jewish shop owner,  before  returning to Manchester more or less penniless.   I have more details from the diary if anyone is interested.  
Kathryn Berman

THIS Wednesday, Oct. 6, 7 pm - JGSNY, Getting Your ACGT Together: Organizational Strategies for DNA Analysis #jgs-iajgs #announcements #dna

Phyllis Rosner

Jewish Genealogical Society NY Webinar
Wednesday Oct. 6, 2021 at 7 p.m. EDT

A joint program of the Jewish Genealogical Society of New York and the New York Genealogical & Biographical Society

Getting Your ACGT Together: Organizational Strategies for DNA Analysis

Speaker: Paul Woodbury

DNA test results are constantly changing, so trying to organize them can feel like aiming at a moving target. In this webinar, learn to organize your results around clear research objectives in order to isolate, prioritize, analyze, and correlate the genetic data most pertinent to your research.

This webinar is open to the public during the live session. It will be recorded for NYG&B member access and audio will be accessible to JGSNY members on their website. A handout will be provided to attendees and members of both organizations.

Paul Woodbury is a Research Team Manager at Legacy Tree Genealogists. He graduated from Brigham Young University, where he studied Genetics and Family History. He also holds a master’s degree in Instructional Design and Educational Technology.  His article, "Where to Test? Genetic Genealogy Testing Options," appeared in the January-March 2021 issue of the NSG Magazine.

All are welcome; attendance is free, but registration is required:

Submitted by:
Phyllis Rosner
JGSNY VP Communications
New York, NY

Re: Translation of birth register #romania #austria-czech #translation

Andreas Schwab

I read the first entry a Krämmer (misspelling of Krämer) = shopkeeper, owner of a small store selling all sorts of things, not necessary food;
the second entry is Schänker, the owner of a pub.
Here is the scan in better resolution:

Andreas Schwab, Montreal, Canada
MODERATOR NOTE: This is in response to a previous question regarding an occupation

(Subject line): Invitation to JGSSN Zoom meeting at 11:00 a.m. (Pacific Daylight Time) on Sunday, October 10, 2021: "Routes to Roots Foundation: New Holocaust Name Lists Database and more! #belarus #holocaust #poland #ukraine

Miriam Weiner

Even if you attended my IAJS presentation, there is a lot new for you on October 10.
You can now search the following:            
      901 individual Holocaust Collections from 659 Towns!

The Holocaust Collection includes both survivor and victim name lists.

Also different from the IAJGS lecture, there are 37 new slides with new info and images.

To request a Zoom link, please complete this short form: which can also be found on the Meetings webpage.

Members of JGSSN can attend for free.  Non-members can pay $5.00 on the Donate webpage and complete the short form.


Miriam Weiner

Secaucus, NJ

Re: Translation of birth register #romania #austria-czech #translation

Jeremy Pacht

Thanks to all who have responded.  Some of you have pointed out the photos I uploaded are scarcely legible.  I haven‘t been able to figure out the source of the problem yet, I think it may have something to do with a recent update on my computer.

I have received two decipherments with translation from individuals who contacted me directly — I was able to send them a high resolution pic by email — and since the two individuals gave me precisely the same information I think my question can be regarded as resolved.

Thanks again for your help!
Jeremy Pacht
Wecker, Luxembourg

Is this name (in Russian) Zvulinch or alike ?... #russia #translation

Ofer Biran

Attached are the name from the index and from the document - thanks !

 Ofer Biran
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Re: Jill Anderson z"l untimely passing #lithuania #latvia

Joyaa Antares

Thank you for notifying us Carol.  Many of us have worked alongside Jill over the years and this is very sad news.
May her memory be for a blessing.
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

IGRA Free Webinar “Immigration Documents to Eretz Israel” #events #israel

Elena Bazes

Join the Israel Genealogy Research Association (IGRA) for our upcoming free webinar in Hebrew in honor of Aliyah Day The Variety of Documents Where You Find Information on Immigration to Eretz Israel” by Rose Feldman. The webinar will be broadcast on October 10th at   7 pm Israel Time, 12 pm ET.

 Advance Registration Required:

As more documents are opened to the public from various archives, we are able to document when and where our ancestors made Aliyah to Eretz Israel.  Sometimes these are lists of those landing in Eretz Israel, sometimes they are lists of those leaving a port or town on their way to Eretz Israel and sometimes the information is a document not connected to immigration at all. The IGRA All Israel Database collection contains such documents from the 19th century up through the founding of Israel in 1948. The webinar will be a survey of these documents, which will hopefully give you ideas of where to continue you research if you haven’t found the documents in the IGRA collection.

Rose Feldman is in charge of developing new databases for Israel Genealogy Research Association [IGRA]. She has lectured at ten IAJGS conferences starting in 2003, at various annual seminars and branch meetings of IGRA and IGS, at the Israeli Association for Archives and Information workshop, and the genealogy workshop of the Central Zionist Archives. In 2017 she was the recipient of IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year. Rose was one of the three coordinators of the Montefiore Censuses Project.


Elena Biegel Bazes

IGRA Publicity Chair


Re: Please help decipher German and Hebrew #translation

Reuven Mohr

the royal government has received a petition by the Polish Jewish glazier Chest Itzig, to get permission to work as a glazier journeyman (not sure how it is called in English - he has not yet passed an examination to become a master glazier).
Strasburg (today Brodnica in Poland, then a county administration in West Prussia, including for the town of Gollub, today Golub), 16 may 1834

the yiddish note is probably the answer - 'von die Regierung erlap...' permitted by the government

Reuven Mohr

The Cohen Family from Rumford/Biddeford Maine #usa #general #lithuania


I am new to this group and looking forward to learning more about the Cohen Family.  I have been doing genealogy research on my family for many years, and I am now shifting my focus to my husband's family.  I am VERY interested in information on the Cohen family who migrated from Lithuania and settled in Rumford, Maine. See family members below:

Brick Wall
Max Cohen born 1853 Russia * died abt 1922 Biddeford, ME?
married to Minnie Leah Kubitzky born 1855  * died 23 MAR 1922

Louis Cohen born 15 JUL 1875 Russia * died  23 MAR 1939 (owned a Bottling Company in Rumford, ME)
married to Bertha Gerrin Zaguresky born 15 JUL 1875  Lithuania * died 28 MAR 1939

Harry Jacobs Cohen born abt. 1897 Russia * died 1947 (Music teacher - Stephens High School, Rumford, ME USA)
married to Minna/Minnie Rose Glickman born 1896 USA Vilna, Lithuania * died 1987 Boston, MA USA

Milton Herman Cohen b. JUN 1918 Rumford, ME USA * d. MAR 1982 Framingham, MA USA
married to Ruth Jacobs  b. MAR 1916 * d. 1986 Boston, MA

Stephen Harry Cohen b. 1951 Boston, MA USA * Living  (my husband)

Please feel free to contact us through JewishGen or contact my husband Steve Cohen directly:
We look forward to discovering more about the Cohen Family any information you can provide would be great.
Thank you!
~Carla & Steve Cohen

Jill Anderson z"l untimely passing #lithuania #latvia

Carol Hoffman

It is with profound sadness that we announce the passing of Jill
Anderson, President of LitvakSIG. Losing a valiant battle with severe
illness, Jill passed away peacefully in London on Saturday 2 October
Jill, an accomplished musician, was a devoted Litvak. She was always
ready to help others in their pursuit of finding their roots. Jill
demonstrated leadership, compassion and commitment to LitvakSIG.
We extend our profound sympathy to her family and friends.
In great sorrow,
Carol Hoffman
LitvakSIG. co vice-president

Re: Translation of birth register #romania #austria-czech #translation

David Lewin

At 09:43 30/09/2021, Jeremy Pacht wrote:

I am writing to ask if anyone can translate for me the occupation of Israel PACHT that is stated on the birth record of his daughter Rachel, on the attached page from the birth register.   Rachel's entry is the first on the page.

I would also greatly appreciate a translation of the father's occupation for the second entry on the page (pertaining to Abraham PISTINER, father of Chana Feige), since this is the occupation given for Israel PECHT on earlier birth records in the same register.  The word reoccurs in the third entry from the bottom of the page, as the occupation of Sara’s father Abraham LÖF.

In case this helps with deciphering, the records are in German and from the Kimpolung 1859-1877 birth register.  Kimpolung (now Campulung Moldovenesc, Romania) was a village in the mountainous south western part of the Austrian crown land known as the Bukovina.

Many thanks in advance for any help you can provide!

Jeremy PACHT
Wecker, Luxembourg[]

I read the record as
Chaskel    Israel Pachl    Ester Schieba    Rachel Tikin  

David Lewin

Search & Unite attempt to help locate people who, despite the passage of so many years since World War II, may still exist "out there".
We also assist in the process of re-possession of property in the Czech Republic and Israel.
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