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“Just How Were Passenger Manifests Created”. Great information on avotaynuonline.com on passenger manifests to South Africa and the USA, late 1800’s to early 1900’s.
Re: Marriage Certificate #records
This would appear to be it -
Re: I'm trying to locate a Jewish twin brother who came to New York from Shanghai via Japan in 1938. #usa
Based on the year 1938, here are the most likely families to send an oil tanker:
Waltham, MA, USA
Re: Query about how someone from Nyitra megye ends up in Mauthasen #general
Was he a male of military age? Recruited to the labour battalions attached to the Hungarian army? This could easily have yielded a pathway ending at Mauthausen.toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Petah Tikva, Israel
On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 06:37 AM, JACOB MICHAEL wrote:
Dear members of the group,
I offer services in genealogy search:
- research for vital records (birth, marriage, death records in old
church metrical books) in the state archives of Ukraine;
- translations of personal letters, vital records, census records
(from Russian/Ukrainian into English and from English into
Free of charge I can answer your questions about availability of old
metrical books if you know the following parameters: religion, year of
an event you are interested in (birth, death, marriage), town/village,
where your ancestors lived.
For details, contact me privately.
Best regards, Vladimir Kreshchyshyn
in Kherson, Ukraine.
The Israel Genealogy Research Association (IGRA) has just released new and updated databases on its website. There are now over 2,000,000 records available in our databases. With each release we provide a variety of records to our collection.
A preview of the databases is available at
Rishon Letsiyon Registries 1882-1911
Family Search Archives
Voters Petah Tikva 1940
Israel State Archives
Telephone Directory July 1941
Library of Congress
Passport from Two Archives
Israel State Archives
Basmat – Technion Instructors & Workers 1937-2007
Fallen – Graduates of Basmat
Jerusalem 1947 Census – Jewish Community (partial) Update
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Before viewing and searching the databases, please register for free on the IGRA website:
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Elena Biegel Bazes
IGRA Publicity Chair
I am related by marriage to another child of Lipot Gunsberger & Magdolna Stern:
Moric Jozsef Israel Gunsberger
BIRTH 27 APR 1860 • Osli, Gyor-Moson-Sopron, Hungary
DEATH 10 APR 1931 • Budapest, Hungary
husband of great-grandaunt
BIRTH 1870 • Szentdomonkos, Heves, Hungary
DEATH 22 JUL 1936 • District XV, Budapest, Hungary
who was the sister to my G Grandmother:
BIRTH 1866 • Garta, Gyor-Moson-Sopron, Hungary
DEATH 3 JAN 1947 • District V, Budapest, Hungary
Adolf Abraham Perl
BIRTH 27 FEB 1857 • Kajarpec, Gyor-Moson-Sopron, Hungary
DEATH 20 SEP 1943 • District VII, Budapest, Hungary
My work in progress Family Tree is reasonably detailed and is Public on Ancestry DNA - "Warman Family Tree" - Michael Warman
I cannot tell if we share a branch in our family trees.
Trying to make contact with the family of Yisrael Yosef Herzl in Antwerp who established a dairy farm there called HERGO and his nephew, Eliezer Herczl who owns a London-based yogurt company called HERCZL.
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First thing that comes to mind is that you can look for the direct and indirect Hamburgtoggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Passenger lists. Indirect indexes and manifests are those that stopped at a different
Port after leaving Hamburg and then continued on most likely on a different ship to the US.
Remember there could be other similar names they may have used. In my maternal family my
Grandfather was Singman in NYC and Washington DC. Schimkov on the 1888 passenger manifests from Hamburg to England and then on to NY. But I have since discovered that the actual name was Sinko or Shinke
from Gelvonai, Sirvintos and Jonava in
Lithuania and from there I was finally able to find his father’s siblings and many others.
Hope this helps.
On Oct 14, 2021, at 5:50 PM, Gail H. Marcus via groups.jewishgen.org <ghmarcus=aol.com@...> wrote:
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey
Gail H. Marcus
Earlier this year, I posted a question (#655832) about a puzzling ship manifest someone found for me that looked like it might be my family (all 7 first names, birth order and approximate ages were right), but had a different surname (Penesuch instead of Grossman). I received a number of helpful replies--many thanks to all who responded!!! Since then, I have been trying to see if I can find some "proof"--that is, some record that connects the 2 names. This has unearthed a new dilemma for me, and I am hoping someone can help me figure out a logical explanation for several discrepancies I am seeing.
Here is the background: I have found a few records in Poland that "might" be some of my ancestors, but nothing linking the 2 names, or in fact, linking any of the names to each other, so I thought I would see if any of the naturalization records referenced the former name. In the first place, I don't see where a name change should be indicated. I don't see a place for it on the declaration and petition forms, so it would help me to understand where I should be looking for this information. In the second place, I have 3 records for brothers who should have traveled together. They all give different dates of travel, and all the dates are different than the Penesuch record we found. One says the ship is unknown, and 2 give the same ship name, the same month and day, but different years! And although I do see that there was a ship by the right name, I don't see any record that it arrived on that date in either year! I thought the officials were supposed to check the manifests to verify the information in the naturalization forms, so I am seeking an explanation for how this could have happened. Were the checks not as rigorous as I've been told? Were officials bribed to sign off without checking? Is there another explanation?
If there is a plausible explanation for what I am seeing, and/or if there are other records I should be looking for (along with information on whether they exist and where I can find them), that alone would be a great help.
I wasn't sure if it was necessary to provide all the details, and doing so makes the message rather long, but in case my explanation above is not clear, the following are the details of what I have found and what they seem to show:
The details: I searched for 3 brothers whose names I know as William, Max and Jack Grossman who came from the Lomza area of Poland (not sure if the city or the province). William was probably Wulf in Lomza, and I know Max was Isaac. Jack, of course, was Jacob. All were born around 1880-1888. The naturalization papers I have found include the following: for William, a Declaration dated Nov. 27, 1909 and a Petition dated Sept. 19, 1912; for Max, a Declaration dated 1923, I think (the date is smudged), a second Declaration dated Oct. 3, 1941, and a Petition signed Feb. 3, 1944; and for Jack, a Declaration dated Nov. 12, 1913, another Declaration dated Aug. 23, 1923, and a Petition dated Dec. 18, 1925.
In their Declarations, Max and Jack Grossman said they sailed from Hamburg to NY on the Amsterdam, arriving Sept. 15 (Max said it was in 1896 and Jack said it was 1894). William didn’t remember the name of the ship, but said he sailed from Glasgow to NY, arriving July 29, 1892. Let me qualify this slightly—most of the records for Max and Jack say they sailed from Hamburg, but Max apparently let his first Declaration of Intention expire, and his second one (almost 20 years later) gives the same ship name and same date of arrival, but says he sailed from Rotterdam. The Penesuch record (or Pencsuch in the U.K. manifest) has the mother, these 3 children and 3 other children (for whom I have found no naturalization papers, and in 2 cases, I believe none exist--one was naturalized under her husband's petition and the other lied about her age so appeared to have been born in the U.S.) sailing on the State of California and arriving on Aug. 27, 1895.
William, Max, and Jack were all minors at the time they came here, so it doesn't seem likely that they went back and forth. I also wondered if they could have been confused and mixed up names a little bit (i.e., remembering that the ship was the name of a Dutch city, but getting the wrong city), so I tried to search to see if there was a ship named Rotterdam. I did find a ship named Rotterdam that arrived from Amsterdam on Sept. 15, 1894, but I don’t see any Grossman family members listed. I even tried to see if there was a ship named Hamburg, but it looks like there wasn’t one that sailed during that period.
In all the Declarations and Petitions, I find some piece of information (an address, a spouse's name, and/or the name of a witness) that I believe confirms that these are the right individuals.
I hope this hasn't gotten too detailed. Most of all, I'd be happy to know if there is anything else I could check to find out if there was a name change, but any other help or advice is certainly appreciated.
Gail H. Marcus
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Linda Wolfe Kelley
Portland, OR, USA
Marriage Certificate #records
I have determined that my Great Aunt was married in Denmark. I would like to get the marriage certificate. Please advise how to proceed. If the only language available is Danish, please indicate how I can research as I only speak English.
Her maiden name was Regina Galdwarsen or Goldwater and she married Carl Kalman Saietz (Sweden)
Thanking you in advance for your help
Greetings everyone. Where would I be able to track medical school records from before World War I for relatives who attended the Medical School (to qualify as paramedics) in Kherson, Ukraine?
Re: I'm trying to locate a Jewish twin brother who came to New York from Shanghai via Japan in 1938. #usa
Do you know their parents' names?
Are you certain of 1938?
This is the only entry I found from Yokohama, Japan. I do not think this is the correct person. British.
Richard Werbin New York, New York JGSNY Membership Vice President
Harry Zients #usa
Harry, Oct 1870-3 dec 1950, lot 2000, block 93, grave 49. Grave 50 is his wife, Rose Coopersmith Zients, Nov 1868 - 31 mar 1949.
Harry may be related to Morris, 1oct 1898-13 apr 1944, grave22 and his wife, Vera Bunkin Zients grave 21 born 10 Apr 1902-23 dec 1970. No photos are available of any of them.
All are in oheb shalom where my grandparents are buried.
There are also some Zients buried in the bnai jeshrun cemetery around the corner. If you want those names let me know.
Good luck, Eve Kummel
Please write to info@... and we will try and help you.
Thank you for your support.
Looking for the Chumski family from Pruzhany #belarus
I'm looking for the family of Moshe Chumski, born in 1911.
He was the son of Jacob Chumski and Ronia Froimczyk.
Jacob was the son of Symcha and Ester.
Any information will be much appreciated.
This Sunday: Sephardic Diplomatic Power #sephardic
Under Dutch rule in Brazil (1630-1654), the local and Amsterdam Sephardic
communities tried to convince Dutch authorities to intervene and protect
their interests. When asking for help, they emphasised their value as
international merchants, as well as other areas in which Jews contributed to
the Dutch colony. Hans Wallage will discuss some of these arguments and will
provide new insights into how Jews valued their own contributions in the
Hans Wallage is a young historian specialising in Jewish Migration History.
Since February 2019, Hans has been affiliated with the University of
Amsterdam as a PhD candidate. He works within the VICI Project: 'The
Invention of the Refugee in Early Modern Europe'. In his dissertation, he
examines the organisation and forms of Jewish charity in the Dutch Republic
during various early modern Jewish refugee crises. In his studies, he has
mainly focused on Jewish history, transnationalism within Jewish societies
and Jewish migration patterns. Hans also studied at the Hebrew University of
Jerusalem and worked as a student assistant at the University of Manchester.
The meeting is on 17 October 2021 at 11am in LA, 2pm NYC, 7pm London, 8pm
Paris/Amsterdam and 9pm Jerusalem. Patrons can join us on Zoom. The link is
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Everyone is invited to join us for free at:
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David Mendoza and Ton Tielen
Translation from Yiddish to English - Viewmate 95605 #translation
I have posted a letter written in Yiddish at Viewmate and would appreciate a translation to English.
Re: Contacting Oheb Shalom Cemetery in New Jersey, USA #usa
I can't promise they will be able to help, but I'd suggest contacting an organization called Friends of New Jersey Cemeteries, Inc. It is based about 30 minutes from Oheb Shalom, and someone in the group may know what the situation is or have a contact there. I've found the organization to be very responsive, though I believe it is mostly run by volunteers, so you may not hear back right away.
Email contact: FPMCJC@...
Best of luck!
Ellen Morosoff Pemrick
Saratoga County, NY
Researching WEISSMAN/VAYSMAN (Ostropol, Ukraine); MOROZ and ESTRIN/ESTERKIN (Shklov & Bykhov, Belarus); LESSER/LESZEROVITZ, MAIMAN, and BARNETT/BEINHART/BERNHART (Lithuania/Latvia); and ROSENSWEIG/ROSENZWEIG, KIRSCHEN, and SCHWARTZ (Botosani, Romania)