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Info on SCHWARZSCHILD family of Rückingen Hessen Germany? #germany #general

Melody Schloss
 

I would like to connect with anyone who might possibly have information on or suggestions for finding information on one of my husband's lines in the late 1700s and early 1800s.
 
SCHWARZSCHILD family of Rückingen Hessen Germany
 
Hona Herz SCHWARZSCHILD  Possible death in Rückingen 
was the father of:  
 
Naftali Herz SCHWARZSCHILD   Birth ca1802 Possibly Rückingen    Death 26 Sep1872 Hanau Hessen Germany
  m#1  Fanny SCHWAB on 26 Oct 1836 at Hanau Hessen    Child: Moritz
            (Fanny died 15 Jul 1845 in Frankfürt on Main at age 32)
  m#2  Sara GLAUBERG on after 1845    Known children: Mathilde, Bertha, a son  (Sara was widow of FÜRTH at time of marr)
 
Naftali and Fanny were my husband's 3great grandparents.
 
I found a listing in Kelly's Directory of Merchants Manufacturers and Shippers of a MH Schwab & Schwarzschild, Liebfranenberg 29.
Apparently they were wholesalers in clothing materials and their building was called 'Braunfels'.  Wondering if this is the same Schwab and Schwarzschild?
At the time of his first wife Fanny's death in 1845 the record states she was 'the 32 year old wife of the Jewish merchant Herz Schwarzschild of Rückingen in Kurhessen'. 
Naftali Herz is buried in the Jewish cemetery in Hanau.  
 
I have been unable to find any information on Naftali's siblings or parents, with the exception of his father's name.  I can find no early records for Rückingen except for a list of surname adoptions in 1811, where Hona Herz chose SCHWARZSCHILD.
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Melody Schloss
Santa Barbara CA USA
melschlos@...
 
 
 
 


Re: I'm trying to locate a Jewish twin brother who came to New York from Shanghai via Japan in 1938. #usa

Hilary Osofsky
 

I would check Ancestry's California Passenger Lists. My son-in-law's g-g-grandparents had been living in Japan before emigrating to the U.S. in 1906. I found the record of their voyage from Yokohama to San Francisco among those lists, as well as the record of his g-g-grandfather's initial 1902 exploratory voyage, which departed from Hong Kong for San Francisco.

Hilary Osofsky


Info on family of Fanny SCHWAB possibly of Hanau? #germany #general

Melody Schloss
 

I would like to connect with anyone who might possibly have information on or suggestion for finding information on my husband's 
SCHWAB line from Hanau or Frankfurt on Main area in the late 1700s and early 1800s.
 
His 3greatgrandparents were:
Fanny SCHWAB and Naftali Herz SCHWARZSCHILD married on 26 Oct 1836 in Hanau Hessen Germany.  
 
Their marriage record does not list either of her parents.  They had one child, Moritz, born 6 Jan 1837 in Rückingen Hesse.  
 
Fanny's death record reads:  In Frankfurt am Main L G No. 81 in the Scheurgasse died Tuesday, July 15, 1845 at 11:15 PM, according to a certificate from Dr. Schwarzschild, Fanny Schwarzschild nee Schwab, 32-year-old wife of the Jewish merchant Herz Schwarzschild of Rückingen in Kurhessen
 
I have been unable to locate her grave.  Her husband married again and is buried in the Jewish cemetery in Hanau.
 
I found a listing in Kelly's Directory of Merchants Manufacturers and Shippers of a MH Schwab & Schwarzschild, Liebfranenberg 29.
Apparently they were wholesalers in clothing materials and their building was called 'Braunfels'.  Wondering if this is the same Schwab and Schwarzschild? 
 
I have looked at the records for Hanau on Arkinsys and found SCHWABs but could not make any connection to Fanny.
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Melody Schloss
Santa Barbara CA
melschlos@...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: Any users of Mac Family Tree here? #general

michele shari
 

I use MacFamily Tree 9 (upgraded a while ago from 8). I am not on their FB group and if I need help their customer service is excellent. 
Michele Farkas
Boynton Beach, FL

researching Farkas in Transylvania/Hungary (Carei, Tasnad, Cluj, Kisvarda, Margitta, Satumare), Weiszhauz/Weisshaus (Vamospercs), Rosenfeld (Vamospercs), Isak/Izsak, Taussig/Tauszik, Schein, Pollak (married Farkas), Jakab (married Farkas)

Researching Stauber/Stober/Shtauber (Viseu and surrounding towns, Maramures, Romania), Deutsch, Malek/Malec, Fischman, Genud/Genuth, Apter, Herstik/Hershtik/Herstig, Teszler/Tessler, Davidovici, Ganz/Gancz, Paszternak, Feig, Pollak, Jakab

Researching Kaufman, Horowitz, Hurwitz/Gurevitz, Potashnik/Potasnik/Perlman, Perlmutter/Perelmutter, Lipsky, Leykin/Leikin, from Gomel, Minsk/Russia, Rosen and Resnick from Russia


translation of Hebrew on tombstone #translation

Deborah Friedman
 

I need help translating the hebrew on this tombstone.  See Attached photo
Thank you

Deborah


Deborah Friedman

Walnut Creek, CA

dsfaec@...

 

Searching for: FRIEDMAN (KOPAIGOROD UKRAINE), SHULMAN/SCHULMAN (KOPAIGOROD UKRAINE), SPECTOR, GOLOGORSKY, KANSTERIN/KANSTEROOM, LIPSON (JERUSALEM), ZASLER (JERUSALEM, ZASLOW), LEVY, GRATZ/GRATCH, EISENSTEIN (DROHITCHIN), BENIOFF (KIEV AREA), SILBERMANN/SILVERMAN (ZEIL GERMANY), DINKELSPIEL(BADEN, GERMANY), MAIER, WIEDERQUIST, HOROWITZ (KIEV AREA), HESS (NEW ORLEANS), SANGER (NEW ORLEANS AND ALSACE), MAROZ (Ignatovka, Ukraine).


Re: Any users of Mac Family Tree here? #general

Mark Lucas
 

Yes. I use it. I'm not signed up for Facebook (not a fan) so can't check out that user group.
I am relatively new to JewishGen - first post in fact.
What were you wanting to do?

--
Mark Lucas
UK


Cleveland’s Mount Olive Cemetery #photographs #usa

Sandy.eisen@...
 

Wondering if anyone in Cleveland might be able to get me a photo of the following gravestone at Mount Olive Cemetery: Anna Gordon, Block 007, Lot 08-17, died 4/9/1956 and interred 4/11/1956. Many thanks.

Sandy Eisen
sandy.eisen@...


Re: To offer genealogy services in Ukraine #ukraine #general

Lev
 

Hello Vladimir,
 
I am looking for the "Cheskis" family record from Korosten, Ukraine. My ggfather Ben-Zion Cheskis passed away in 1937, and his last residence was Korosten, Karla Marksa 9. Unfortunately, I do not know who his father, mother, or sibling was. Any record that can reveal this info is going to help me to go further into the past. If you can check the documents related to Ben-Zion Cheskis, that would be great.
 
Thanks,
Lev Klibanov
lev.klibanov@...


Re: To offer genealogy services in Ukraine #ukraine #general

Stephan Owen Parnes
 

Max Heffler provided a correct, but apparently unnecessary, solution.

 I tested his solution on a note saying “via groups.jewishgen.org” by clicking on the “From” address. I saw the = sign that would need to be replaced by @.

However, when I clicked on the “Reply to Sender” link at the bottom of the same email, the original poster’s email address appeared in the “To” position without any need to change characters.

Stephan Parnes
Great Barrington, MA



On Oct 16, 2021, at 3:05 PM, Max Heffler <max@...> wrote:



In case others are not aware:

 

From address are obscured in the From field after “on behalf of”

 

There is an ‘=’ sign that you convert to an ‘@’ and then you can reply directly

 

Max Heffler

Houston, TX



Was Japanese righteous diplomat Chiune Sugihara honoured in Montreal? #poland #holocaust #lithuania #yiddish

rabbi_baron@...
 

Mr Jose Levkovich of Montreal - Jerusalem (Holocaust guide) told me 2 years ago that about 50 years ago my father Rabbi Leib Baron zt"l asked him to make a reception at his home in Montreal for Japanese diplomat Chiune Sugihara. He told me it was well planned and survivors came from all over, including Rabbis Hershberg from Mexico and Kreiswirth from Antwerp as well as rabbis from New York, Chicago and Detroit and other places. He related to me the speeches of several of the participants, including Chazzan Rabbi Yankel Ederman of New York who organised the event and Sugihara himself. He asked me if we had any record and I replied that I was shocked as I had never heard about it. It would have been the first public recognition of its kind anywhere for Sugihara.

 

Since then I have spent much energy trying to find a reference, including Rabbi Ederman's archives at the USHMM, with no luck. Mr Levkovich's Daughter Sheila insists she remembers the event. Mr Jose is clear as a bell (as is evident on his many videos about the holocaust) and this whole affair is frustrating me as Sugihara's youngest son Nobuki, who was in Israel last week for dedication ceremonies, claims his father was never in Montreal! If anyone has any further info that could shed light on this I would greatly appreciate it. Mr Sugihara first met Religious Affairs Minister Zorach Warhaftig in 1969, bringing the first publicity of his whereabouts, so this reception would have taken place between late 1969 and late 1971 (for other reasons it couldn't have been later), but would not have been in the bitter cold period of Dec 20-March 20, almost certainly May-September 1970 or May-September 1971.

 

It occurred to me that the only periodical where this would have been recorded would have been the Yiddish Montreal daily Keneder Adler, as Yiddish was still the language of the elite in Montreal at the time, but there is no digital copy, only microfilm in just a few libraries. Does anyone know someone who could do a search?

--
Rabbi Elchonon Baron
Jerusalem
rabbi_baron@...


JGS Toronto. Two Virtual October SIG Meetings. DNA SIG (Adam Brown) and Ukraine SIG (Marla Waltman). #events #dna #ukraine

Jerry Scherer
 

Jewish Genealogy Society of Toronto

 

October Special. We are opening our two October Special Interest Group (SIG) programmes to both members and non-members. The recordings for these two SIGs will only be available to JGS Toronto members in the “Members Only” section of the Society website. As per our policy, we will return to keeping future SIG programmes and their recordings open only to JGS Toronto members.

To our guests, consider joining our membership for only $40.00 per year by Clicking Here or consider a donation by Clicking Here to assist us in continuing our mission providing a forum for the exchange of genealogical knowledge and information. (Canadians receive a CRA tax receipt.)

 

DNA SIG

The Avotaynu DNA  Project

Speaker:  Adam Brown

Tuesday, 19 October at 7:30 pm. ET

Adam Brown – The Genetic Origins and Migrations of the Jewish People

Under the auspices of the Technion (Israel’s MIT), the Avotaynu DNA Project is a landmark scientific study that has tested over a thousand men in far-flung Jewish communities from China to Surinam. Project Administrator Adam Brown will describe what the Project has learned thus far about Jewish origins, as well as the latest discoveries about our migrations during the last 3,000 years of Jewish history.

Adam Brown, Director of the AvotaynuDNA Project, is the Managing Editor of AvotaynuOnline.com. He was the co-chair of the 2017 IAJGS international summer conference on Jewish genealogy.  He speaks frequently on topics pertaining to DNA, Jewish history, and the application of technology to genealogical pursuits.

The Avotaynu DNA Project is a collaboration of experienced Jewish DNA project administrators, historians and geneticists worldwide to develop an online knowledge base that will enable genealogists to discovery the history of their own families and at the same time allow historians and demographers to illuminate the history of the Jewish People.

If you have tested at FTDNA, join the project by logging in at www.JewishDNA.org and identify yourself as a member of JGS Toronto so Adam can be prepared to answer any particular questions you may have during Q & A.

The project currently has DNA from thousands of participants from around the globe in its database. Their aim has been to describe the origins and migrations of the world’s Jewish populations since the founding of the Jewish People approximately 3,000 years ago.

Join us on to hear Adam describe and present his findings on the history of our heritage using the tools of the Avotaynu project.

Register at jgstoronto.ca/register

 

 

 

UKRAINE SIG

Jewish Life in Ukraine: A selected history from 800 to 1914

Speaker: Marla Waltman

Monday, 25 October at 7:30 p.m. ET

The JGS Toronto Ukraine Special Interest Group (SIG) provides an opportunity for members and registered guests to focus on subjects of interest for those with ancestors from Ukraine.

This presentation, “Jewish Life in Ukraine: A selected history from 800 to 1914”, will provide an introduction to the history of Ukraine as it pertains to Jewish settlement, from early recorded records, through the years of the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Russian Empire, to 1914 and the start of the First World War. Given the length of the period covered, the presentation will examine the major political events and economic realities that had an impact on Jews and their neighbours. Its emphasis will be on the lands now part of modern Ukraine that were annexed by Catherine II (known as Catherine the Great by Russians) for the Russian Empire in 1772, and known as the Pale of Settlement. 

Marla Waltman, a former President of JGS Toronto and current Board member, was born in Toronto. Her paternal grandparents emigrated to Canada from Ukraine in the 1920s following other family members who arrived as early as 1905. Marla received a B.A. in History and Anthropology from York University and an M.A. in History from Queen’s University. Over a 32 year career, she worked in Ottawa as an archivist at Library and Archives Canada, policy advisor on heritage institutions and the Canadian music industry at Canadian Heritage, policy chief at the Canadian Literacy Secretariat, and Chief of the Culture Statistics Program at Statistics Canada. Her passion is genealogical research and sharing what she has learned with others.

To register, please go to jgstoronto.ca/register

 

info@...     www.jgstoronto.ca    Tel: 647-247-6414

twitter: jgsoftoronto                                         facebook: Jewish Genealogical Society of Toronto

 

 

Jerry Scherer

Vice President, Communications

jscherer@...

 

 

Jerry

 


Re: To offer genealogy services in Ukraine #ukraine #general

Max Heffler
 

In case others are not aware:

 

From address are obscured in the From field after “on behalf of”

 

There is an ‘=’ sign that you convert to an ‘@’ and then you can reply directly

 

Max Heffler

Houston, TX

 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Linda Habenstreit via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 10:30 AM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] To offer genealogy services in Ukraine #ukraine #general

 

Hi Mr. Kreshchyshyn. You did not provide an email address to correspond with you, so I am replying to your message here.

 

Would you be able to search the State Archive of Ternopol Oblast? I need someone to search the below notary records for  Gusyatin (Husiatyn), Ternopol, Ukraine, for my paternal grandmother’s Steckman family from Liczkowce, Galicia, Austria (now Lychkivtsi, Ternopol, Ukraine). The nearest Jewish Center to Liczkowce is Husiatyn.  

 

Birth, death or marriage records of my paternal grandmother and her parents and siblings may be included in these notary records as vital records are sometimes submitted by the subject of the notary record. 

 

Locality/Town:

 

GUSYATIN

 

Raion/Region:

 

GUSYATIN

 

Oblast/District:

 

TERNOPOL

 

Country:

 

UKRAINE

 

Archive Name:

 

STATE ARCHIVE OF TERNOPOL OBLAST

 

Archive Locale:

 

TERNOPOL

 

Archive Type:

 

ARCHIVES

 

Document Type:

 

NOTARY RECORDS

 

Year List:

 

1877-1887;1894-1904;1920

 

Fond/Opis/Delo:

 

61;86-87


These are the people I’m looking for: 

 

1. Ernestina Steckman, my paternal grandmother, said she was born 4/22/1891 in Liczkowce, Galicia, Austria, now Lychkivtsi, Ukraine. 

 

2. Ernestina’s father—Josel/Josef Steckman born in Husiatyn, Galicia, Austria, now Husyatyn, Ukraine, in 1/1865

 

3. Ernestina’s mother—Feiga Breine Becker (unknown birthdate/place)

4. Ernestina’s sister—Sime/Sune said she was born 10/14/1893;

5. Ernestina’s sister—Schemdel said she was born 10/16/1898;

6. Ernestina’s sister—Tzvia or Celia (unknown birthdate), married a man with the last name HOFFMAN/HOFMAN and had a daughter, Sarah, born in 1938;

7. Ernestina’s brother—Leon (unknown birthdate);

8. Ernestina’s brother—Chaim said he was born in Liezkowce, Poland, on September 11, 1905, married Sara Nusbaum, born October 3, 1900, in Paris, France, on May 24, 1930. I do not know when Chaim died. His wife, Sara, was deported from Drancy transit camp to Auschwitz on July 29, 1942.

I emailed the Ternopol Archives at archive_te@... requesting assistance with accessing the above Notary Records. I received the following response: "Good day. In order to provide you with information, please submit to us request of the established sample which is placed on our website in a heading citizens' appeal. Requests are processed within 30 days. Those queries that require more review of cases are performed up to 45 days. Payment and invoice are issued after the request. Please send confirmation of the receipt of the letter!!"

Please email me at lindahabenstreit@... with a price quote for your research. Thank you!

Linda Habenstreit

lindahabenstreit @yahoo.com 

HEBENSTREIT, Rawa Ruska Galicia, Austria (now Rava Ruskaya, Lwow, Ukraine)

REITZFELD, Rawa Ruska, Galicia, Austria ((now Rava Ruskaya, Lwow, Ukraine)

STECKMAN, Husiatyn, Galicia, Austria (now Gusyatin, Ternopol, Ukraine) and Liczkowce, Galicia, Austria (now Lychkivtsi, Ternopol, Ukraine)

BECKER, unknown


--

Max Heffler
Houston, TX
max@...
HEFFLER(Ukraine)/TIRAS(Poland)/WASSEMAN(Lithuania)/MOORE(Poland)/ZLOT(Lithuania)
GORENSTEIN(Ukraine)/FLEISCHMAN(Latvia)/GOLDEN(Lithuania)


Issue of the Newspaper Brunner Zeitung #austria-czech

Yaron Wolfsthal
 

Dear Group,

As a part of my roots research, I need access to a 100-years old issue of the newspaper Brünner Zeitung.

Specifically, I am interested in page 5 from Brünner Zeitung , 13.02.1919,  Issue 36,  page 5.

This page, apparently, is online (see link)... but seems to be only accessible to citizens of the Czech Republic, or students studying in the country, who are registered to the National Library of the Czech Republic or affiliated libraries such as the Moravian Library of Brno.

If anyone on this group has access to this newspaper issue/page, I would appreciate sending it to me in a private message.     Many thanks - Yaron Wolfsthal, Israel


Re: To offer genealogy services in Ukraine #ukraine #general

Linda Habenstreit
 

Hi Mr. Kreshchyshyn. You did not provide an email address to correspond with you, so I am replying to your message here.
 
Would you be able to search the State Archive of Ternopol Oblast? I need someone to search the below notary records for  Gusyatin (Husiatyn), Ternopol, Ukraine, for my paternal grandmother’s Steckman family from Liczkowce, Galicia, Austria (now Lychkivtsi, Ternopol, Ukraine). The nearest Jewish Center to Liczkowce is Husiatyn.  
 
Birth, death or marriage records of my paternal grandmother and her parents and siblings may be included in these notary records as vital records are sometimes submitted by the subject of the notary record. 
 
Locality/Town:
 
GUSYATIN
 
Raion/Region:
 
GUSYATIN
 
Oblast/District:
 
TERNOPOL
 
Country:
 
UKRAINE
 
Archive Name:
 
STATE ARCHIVE OF TERNOPOL OBLAST
 
Archive Locale:
 
TERNOPOL
 
Archive Type:
 
ARCHIVES
 
Document Type:
 
NOTARY RECORDS
 
Year List:
 
1877-1887;1894-1904;1920
 
Fond/Opis/Delo:
 
61;86-87

These are the people I’m looking for: 
 
1. Ernestina Steckman, my paternal grandmother, said she was born 4/22/1891 in Liczkowce, Galicia, Austria, now Lychkivtsi, Ukraine. 
 
2. Ernestina’s father—Josel/Josef Steckman born in Husiatyn, Galicia, Austria, now Husyatyn, Ukraine, in 1/1865
 
3. Ernestina’s mother—Feiga Breine Becker (unknown birthdate/place)

4. Ernestina’s sister—Sime/Sune said she was born 10/14/1893;

5. Ernestina’s sister—Schemdel said she was born 10/16/1898;

6. Ernestina’s sister—Tzvia or Celia (unknown birthdate), married a man with the last name HOFFMAN/HOFMAN and had a daughter, Sarah, born in 1938;

7. Ernestina’s brother—Leon (unknown birthdate);

8. Ernestina’s brother—Chaim said he was born in Liezkowce, Poland, on September 11, 1905, married Sara Nusbaum, born October 3, 1900, in Paris, France, on May 24, 1930. I do not know when Chaim died. His wife, Sara, was deported from Drancy transit camp to Auschwitz on July 29, 1942.

I emailed the Ternopol Archives at archive_te@arch.gov.ua requesting assistance with accessing the above Notary Records. I received the following response: "Good day. In order to provide you with information, please submit to us request of the established sample which is placed on our website in a heading citizens' appeal. Requests are processed within 30 days. Those queries that require more review of cases are performed up to 45 days. Payment and invoice are issued after the request. Please send confirmation of the receipt of the letter!!"

Please email me at lindahabenstreit@... with a price quote for your research. Thank you!

Linda Habenstreit

lindahabenstreit @yahoo.com 

HEBENSTREIT, Rawa Ruska Galicia, Austria (now Rava Ruskaya, Lwow, Ukraine)

REITZFELD, Rawa Ruska, Galicia, Austria ((now Rava Ruskaya, Lwow, Ukraine)

STECKMAN, Husiatyn, Galicia, Austria (now Gusyatin, Ternopol, Ukraine) and Liczkowce, Galicia, Austria (now Lychkivtsi, Ternopol, Ukraine)

BECKER, unknown


Re: Mt Olive Cemetery Cleveland #usa #general

rosibal
 

Did you request a picture on Find a Grave? There are currently only 9 requests so your chances are great to get one thru one of the volunteers. You need to sign up for free, then create a memorial with the plot location and then request a picture.

Shosh Eizenshtein, Toronto 


Re: Original Documents of the Lithuanian Census & Family Lists: Are They Available Online? #lithuania

Joel Ratner
 

The 1795 revision list as well as later ones prior to 1850 can be found at Familysearch.org. One way of finding
them is to search the catalog for "Vilnius", then look for census records, NOT Jewish records. You'll find the films rather easily from there.
 
Joel Ratner
 

Sent from Outlook


Re: Looking for info on towns: Bartfeld & Bardejov #austria-czech

Frank Szmulowicz
 

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:46 AM, JB Haber wrote:
Barteld is the German name of Bardejov, Bartfa the Hungarian one.
Whether Bartfa, Bartfeld or Bardejov, it's beautiful

Čítajte viac: https://spectator.sme.sk/c/20014594/whether-bartfa-bartfeld-or-bardejov-its-beautiful.html
Besides defending his kingdom, King Béla was also preoccupied with getting rich. To this end, he lured Germans (and lots of them) to the hinterland to develop mining and other key industries. In "Bartfeld - the German name for Bardejov," trade was the name of the game, quickly raising this German colony's wealth and influence to a level rivaled in eastern Slovakia by only Levoča and Košice.

 https://spectator.sme.sk/c/20014594/whether-bartfa-bartfeld-or-bardejov-its-beautiful.html

Frank Szmulowicz


Mt Olive Cemetery Cleveland #usa #general

Sandy.eisen@...
 

If there’s anyone in Cleveland who might be able to snap a photo of a gravestone at Mount Olive Cemetery, please contact me. Many thanks.
Sandy Eisen
Sandy.Eisen@...


Re: Original Documents of the Lithuanian Census & Family Lists: Are They Available Online? #lithuania

Russ Maurer
 

Hi Marilyn,

The record you want is not online, but the FHL is currently in the process of scanning and posting LVIA/515/15. They have already posted up to file 721 and I know the scanning has progressed well into the 700s. If you can be patient, they will probably reach your record in a matter of months, unless there is an unexpected holdup. Alternatively, you would have to contact the archives and order a copy of the record.

Russ Maurer
Records Acquisition and Translation coordinator, LitvakSIG


Re: How to Find a Name Change #poland #names

David Harrison
 

Gail, I do not know how different the USA and UK procedures were at that period, but in the case of my grandfather, I was able to look into the nationalisation file at the Police report and other backing documents held in our National Archives.  I found a note to the effect that he was now know and traded under the name of Harrison because this was easier for his customers/clients to use, he was a tailor, and this was accepted without any requirement for any official document of change of surname.  this applied to him, his wife and the children, including my father and his siblings.
 
It maybe that there is no official document of change of name on file at that period.  This was after he had been in the UK for nearly 20 years and the law about who could vote (involving property had changed to include all the family. 
 
David Harrison
Birmingham, England
Searching HERSZKOWICZ, in Poland


From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of Gail H. Marcus via groups.jewishgen.org <ghmarcus=aol.com@...>
Sent: 14 October 2021 21:30
To: main@... <main@...>
Subject: [JewishGen.org] How to Find a Name Change #names #poland
 
Earlier this year, I posted a question (#655832) about a puzzling ship manifest someone found for me that looked like it might be my family (all 7 first names, birth order and approximate ages were right), but had a different surname (Penesuch instead of Grossman).  I received a number of helpful replies--many thanks to all who responded!!!  Since then, I have been trying to see if I can find some "proof"--that is, some record that connects the 2 names.  This has unearthed a new dilemma for me, and I am hoping someone can help me figure out a logical explanation for several discrepancies I am seeing.

Here is the background:  I have found a few records in Poland that "might" be some of my ancestors, but nothing linking the 2 names, or in fact, linking any of the names to each other, so I thought I would see if any of the naturalization records referenced the former name.  In the first place, I don't see where a name change should be indicated.  I don't see a place for it on the declaration and petition forms, so it would help me to understand where I should be looking for this information.  In the second place, I have 3 records for brothers who should have traveled together.  They all give different dates of travel, and all the dates are different than the Penesuch record we found.  One says the ship is unknown, and 2 give the same ship name, the same month and day, but different years!  And although I do see that there was a ship by the right name, I don't see any record that it arrived on that date in either year!  I thought the officials were supposed to check the manifests to verify the information in the naturalization forms, so I am seeking an explanation for how this could have happened.  Were the checks not as rigorous as I've been told?  Were officials bribed to sign off without checking?  Is there another explanation?

If there is a plausible explanation for what I am seeing, and/or if there are other records I should be looking for (along with information on whether they exist and where I can find them), that alone would be a great help. 

I wasn't sure if it was necessary to provide all the details, and doing so makes the message rather long, but in case my explanation above is not clear, the following are the details of what I have found and what they seem to show:

The details:  I searched for 3 brothers whose names I know as William, Max and Jack Grossman who came from the Lomza area of Poland (not sure if the city or the province).  William was probably Wulf in Lomza, and I know Max was Isaac.  Jack, of course, was Jacob.  All were born around 1880-1888.  The naturalization papers I have found include the following:  for William, a Declaration dated Nov. 27, 1909 and a Petition dated Sept. 19, 1912; for Max, a Declaration dated 1923, I think (the date is smudged), a second Declaration dated Oct. 3, 1941, and a Petition signed Feb. 3, 1944; and for Jack, a Declaration dated Nov. 12, 1913, another Declaration dated Aug. 23, 1923, and a Petition dated Dec. 18, 1925.

In their Declarations, Max and Jack Grossman said they sailed from Hamburg to NY on the Amsterdam, arriving Sept. 15 (Max said it was in 1896 and Jack said it was 1894).  William didn’t remember the name of the ship, but said he sailed from Glasgow to NY, arriving July 29, 1892. Let me qualify this slightly—most of the records for Max and Jack say they sailed from Hamburg, but Max apparently let his first Declaration of Intention expire, and his second one (almost 20 years later) gives the same ship name and same date of arrival, but says he sailed from Rotterdam.  The Penesuch record (or Pencsuch in the U.K. manifest) has the mother, these 3 children and 3 other children (for whom I have found no naturalization papers, and in 2 cases, I believe none exist--one was naturalized under her husband's petition and the other lied about her age so appeared to have been born in the U.S.) sailing on the State of California and arriving on Aug. 27, 1895. 

William, Max, and Jack were all minors at the time they came here, so it doesn't seem likely that they went back and forth.  I also wondered if they could have been confused and mixed up names a little bit (i.e., remembering that the ship was the name of a Dutch city, but getting the wrong city), so I tried to search to see if there was a ship named Rotterdam.  I did find a ship named Rotterdam that arrived from Amsterdam on Sept. 15, 1894, but I don’t see any Grossman family members listed.   I even tried to see if there was a ship named Hamburg, but it looks like there wasn’t one that sailed during that period.

In all the Declarations and Petitions, I find some piece of information (an address, a spouse's name, and/or the name of a witness) that I believe confirms that these are the right individuals.  

I hope this hasn't gotten too detailed.  Most of all, I'd be happy to know if there is anything else I could check to find out if there was a name change, but any other help or advice is certainly appreciated.

Gail H. Marcus
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