Re: Seeking possible cousins in Israel #israel #general

John Kovacs

Dear Veronica,
Your note got my attention because you mentioned the name of the town of Drohobych.   My mother, after WWII got married to a wonderful man Oskar Russ who was born in Drohobych about 1907.  Oskar's sister went to Israel and settled in a Kibbutz and I met her and her family several years ago.   Unfortunately I am not in my usual home where I have various notes that would remind me of the name of the Kibbutz.  Part of the family of Russ who live in the US are on vacation and as soon they come home I will ask them of the name of the kibbutz who maybe could give you more information.     
Best wishes, John Kovacs

Re: Caribbean with Ashkenazi Jewish Dna #dna

Paula B

Hi, Simon,

I would love to read your book. I don’t see it on Amazon, or am I missing something? I am very interested in Caribbean history *and* Jewish history, so it sounds perfect. How can I get hold of a copy?

Thank you!
Paula Berinstein 

Re: Grave translation #translation


I see that the name of the father of Dvorah Fine was spelled differently, once Kapil and once Kopil. 

The traditional Jewish name involved here is Koppel. 
In Yiddish, many times, the letter "aleph" is used for the voyel "o". The letter "yod" is very softly pronounced to the point that it reflects the sound "e".

In most cases Koppel is a diminutive form of Jacob. 
We have a similar example for Seppel being the diminutive form of Joseph.

Depending time and place, Koppel became germanized as Kaufmann. This is the source of the family name Kaufmann, that usually does not mean that an ancestor was a trader or merchant, as implied by the German meaning of the word. 

Best regards, 

Laurent Kassel 
Moreshet, Israel

Re: Have the towns in Prussia but can't read the handwriting #translation


Hi Ellen,

I read the towns as Hamerstein (probably a misspelling of Hammerstein, now known as Czarne), and Krotoschin (Krotoszyn).

Jonathan Spencer-Todd
Oxford, UK

Lichtenstein in Ramat Gan #israel

Neil Rosenstein

Trying to make contact with the family of Sara (nee Wagschal)
Licthenstein who immigrated to Israel in 1943 and lived in Ramat Gan.
Her father, Shlomo Wagschal was a descendant of the Wagschal Chassidi
Neil Rosenstein

Re: NYC information on psychiatrists #general #usa

Sherri Bobish


Found at

On the NYC 1924 Voters List there is a Henry V. AGINSKY listed in Brooklyn, NY at 299 Hopkinson Ave.  Also at that address are Hyman S. and Ida AGINSKY.

On the 1925 NY State Census at 299 Hopkinson Ave. are the same three people, as above.  Henry is age 22 and a student, and Hyman and Ida are his parents.  Also living with the family are Hyman's father-in-law and mother-in-law, Jacob and Lea SASSULSKY.

Found at:
Henry V. AGINSKY received a medical degree in 1927 from The Medical School of The Long Island College Hospital, according to a newspaper article at the above named site.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala / Ragola, Lith.)
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne / Istryker, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD / FINK, KALTER (Daliowa/ Posada Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BERGER (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
SOKALSKY / SOLON / SOLAN / FINGER(MAN) (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / APPEL (Odessa?)

Seeking Ancestors, Julie ERTHEIN, born Julie ROSE #usa


I cannot find much information on my paternal grandmother's family.  She was born Julie ROSE, in Stamford, Connecticut, in 1906, daughter of Nora and Morris ROSE.  

I do not have further information on Morris ROSE, such as dates of birth or death.  And nothing about his parents.

As for her mother, Nora, she was born Nora COON in ca 1886, and died in 1951.  I strongly expect she was born and died in the US, probably in the NYC area.  

Any hints or suggestions of where to look would be wonderful (what I have, I have from Ancestry dot com.  I asked my father but he does not know more than that either.  He's not much into genealogy).

Thank you,

John Erthein

Re: FamilySearch - order documents #general

Barbara Stack

You can also phone your local LDS Library and ask if there is someone who can help you or when such a person might be in.
Barbara Stack
Berkeley, CA
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FamilySearch Library To Offer Library Lookup Service #announcements #records #usa
From: Jan Meisels Allen
Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 03:25:06 EDT
With the pandemic, the FamilySearch Library in Salt Lake City, Utah has been closed, as has its regional and affiliate libraries. A new Library Lookup Service will soon provide greater access to these records globally.
You need to register for a free FamilySearch Account where you can search through their large database of records. When you open the link on the right upper side there is a sign in and a create account. To create an account you need to provide your first and last names, birth month, day and year, sex and whether you are a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Upon request, staff and volunteers at the library will look up specific records in their collections that cannot be viewed online. Since Library Lookup is not a research service, people will need to identify the specific record from that they need to see.
To use the Lookup service, visit the online request form (   to request a copy of the image of the original document.
If your request is about something in a book-not all books have been digitized and copyright limitations will apply. Use the same aforementioned request form along with the title or call number of the book and the page number (s) you want copied.  The staff will send a PDF copy of the page or pages, as allowed. In cases where page numbers are unknown, staff can check the index in a book for the listing of a name or chosen term to help provide the right pages.
After the COVID-19 restrictions are lifted and the library reopens, the Library Lookup Service will continue as part of the FamilySearch global outreach.
To read more see:
Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Have the towns in Prussia but can't read the handwriting #translation

Ellen Beller

The marriage of my great great grandmother and father have the towns they were born but I can not read the script.  Encolsed is the marriage certificate from NY in 1867.   Thank you in advance.  

Ellen Beller

Re: Naming convention among Romanian Jews in the late 1800's / early 1900's #names

David Harrison <djh_119@...>


Certainly this also happened in The Netherlands.  I have a large slice of an ancestral tree in which a series of first cousins have the same given name with a ripple of third cousins all using the same given name.  I am very thankful that the Dutch do not have a once in ten years census, they have house books which are open for a whole decade and are cross reference between books showing where people have come from or went to.  This has given me a child who went to relations for several years and then returned (to make a new entry in that book)  Other information can be found on Birth Certificates, which if signed by the Postmaster or town Clerk instead of parents , indicates thar parents could not read, this was a requirement for signing such a document.

David Harrison
Birmingham, Great Britain

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To: main@... <main@...>
Subject: Re: [] Naming convention among Romanian Jews in the late 1800's / early 1900's #names
In Romania, Jewish children were definitely named after deceased ancestors. My late father, Nathan (Nuta), born in Raducaneni in 1911, was named after his paternal grandfather, Nuta Tailic. As a matter of fact, the name "Nuta" was so common in the family that the family name was eventually changed from "Tailic" to "Natanzon".

Jack Nathanson,

Re: FamilySearch - order documents #general

Lee Jaffe

Family History Library Lookup Service


Lee David Jaffe

Surnames / Towns:  Jaffe / Suchowola, Poland ; Stein (Sztejnsapir) / Bialystok and Rajgrod, Poland ; Joroff (Jaroff, Zarov) / Chernigov, Ukraine ; Schwartz (Schwarzman?, Schwarzstein?) / ? ;  Koshkin / Snovsk, Ukraine ; Rappoport / ? ; Braun / Wizajny, Suwalki, Poland,  Ludwinowski / Wizajny, Suwalki, Poland


Re: Kalman and Deborah ABRAMOWITZ #names


I am also searching for my Abramowitz family.  

Could you provide approximate birth-death dates for Kalman and Deborah and where they originated from.

I am looking for relatives of Tsvi Hirsch HlLevi Abramowtiz (born about 1845) and Eta/Yetta Smarkowitch. from Lativa (possibly Jelgava)  Five of the children came to the US:  Max,  Gurssie, Sarah, Abe, Sam.  Two went to South Africa but I don't know their names or what happened to them, and 2 sons and their families perished in the Holocaust. 

Tara Blieden Rothman

Offering Mount Zion Cemetery photos (Queens, NY) #photographs #usa

A. E. Jordan

A few people are asking about Mt Zion in Maspeth. Queens, NY so if the weather continues ok I am happy to make another trip back there to get photos.
Process I follow is fairly simple in offering to take photos for people.
You ID the grave from the cemetery's online database and send me the details. I take a photo and email it to you and in turn I appreciate a few dollars to help defer the expense of doing this for everyone, ie gasoline money.
I am happy to help out where I can, but please don't send me a generic name and ask me to find the person at the cemetery and please don't send me around the cemetery to find the 20 people named Jack Cohen because one of them might possibly be your long lost cousin. The cemetery is massive and a few people have asked me to do that and it is a very slow process that takes a lot of time and gasoline, etc.

Also if you are asking for an infant or child's grave please tell me. They are mostly in separate areas of the plots and a lot of those graves do not have markers.
Mount Zion has an online database. It is better if you search the name on their database versus the commercial Find a Grave because the position information and data is better at the cemetery's page.
Feel free to ask me questions via email and ask about other NYC area cemeteries because I will visit most of them as the summer progresses. There's a few I do not go to because of distance or safety issues.
Please respect the discussion group and send your specific requests to me privately by replying to this email or my email address aejordan at aol dot com.
Allan Jordan
New York

Re: Caribbean with Ashkenazi Jewish Dna #dna

Victoria Fisch

I have in my possession a book likely written in the 1950s (no publication date) entitled Jewish Monumental Inscriptions in Barbados, by E.M. Shilstone. It is a list of burials and headstone inscriptions and in glancing through it, I did come across the surname Burgos  / Burgoss - perhaps Burgess was an anglicization.

Victoria Fisch
Sacramento CA

Resource to find Jewish demographics #records

Myra Fournier

I have been investigating the Jewish population in Brookline, MA for an article I am writing.  
Many "Genners" gave me suggestions to find democratic information, so I wanted to let you know about one valuable resource I stumbled upon - the online archive of American Jewish Yearbook.
Hard copies are also available at:

The yearbooks contain a wealth of data about Jewish civilization since 1899, including Jewish demographics by states, some cities, and some countries.

I have no affiliation with the publishers; am just providing an FYI because it was so helpful to me.

Myra Fournier
Bedford, MA

Re: Caribbean with Ashkenazi Jewish Dna #dna

Victoria Fisch has some really good burial records in Barbados. If you can construct a family tree, you may be able to utilize their records. Searching for Burgos or Burgess, I found 180 hits under the parameters of death and burial, however, the hits appear to all be Burgess. It's possible you can find your family and work backwards.

Victoria Fisch

Re: Mount Zion Cemetery Maspeth Queens NY #usa

alan moskowitz

I also have  gotten photos from them, just advise that you need to be able to read the headstones from the photos.
Alan Moskowitz
New Jersey

Pre War handwritting Yiddish #yiddish

Jorge Frankon

I am interested in reading old handwritten Yiddish, especially coming from central west Poland and the "zone of transition" of Yiddish dialect at the north west from Warsaw, in the pre WWII years.
I have found a very interesting blog in that every Yiddish reader will love, that helps a lot, but I am trying to find more resources that may help to read it.
I will really appreciate if somebody can provide information about other resources, as books, papers, blogs, web pages or any one you know about.
Many thanks,
Jorge Frankon
Buenos Aires, Argentina.

Jorge M. Frankon
Buenos Aires, Argentina

Lecture by Holocaust scholar Samuel Kassow on Sunday at 1:30 pm #warsaw #events #announcements #holocaust #poland

Heidi Urich

Holocaust scholar Samuel Kassow will speak on "Time Capsules Under the Rubble: The Ringelblum Archive in the Warsaw Ghetto" this coming Sunday, 11/21, at 1:30 pm, on Zoom.  This is an annual lecture co-sponsored by the JGS of Greater Boston and Hebrew College. Free. For more info and to register, see:
Heidi Urich, JGSGB

Re: Help with NYC Record of Aliens Help for Special Inquiry #lithuania #records


David is again correct that the next step is to consult that INS Name Index to immigration correspondence, and Lynn’s question gives me the chance to talk about that index (and this process) in a little more detail.  And at the end there is a file number for Lynn 


When I read Lynn’s question I first went to search the INS Subject Index on Ancestry, since a small fraction of references in that index go back to 1903.  Of course I had no luck.  As a rule, the appeal cases from ships like the SS PENNSYLVANIA don’t show up there until ca. 1906-08.


The index to check for earlier dates is the name index David mentioned, the [INS] Name Index [to early immigration correspondence], ca. 1893 - ca. 1932 (  The problem is that date span, 1893-1932, which is misleading.  The Name Index has a few references back to 1900, and some as late as 1912, but the core of it covers 1903 to 1906-08 (when the indexing of such cases shifted to the Subject Index discussed above).  But Lynn’s immigrant arrived in 1903, so he should be in the Name Index, right?


I searched the portion of the Name Index already online (the 1st alphabet is complete, the 2nd is in progress, 600+ entries loaded so far).  I found none of the three immigrants listed on Lynn’s BSI page who filed appeals (Salomon Friedman, Moszko Sohall, and Itzke Rubenstein).  I figured either they were indexed with a different spelling of the name, or the index does not go back as far in time as I believed.


At this point I turned to some data I received from NARA about the Name Index project, from their initial inventory of files.  That data was/is destined to go through several verifications before it can be loaded in the catalog.  There, I found all three—two with alternate spellings.  So I went back to the online Name Index in the catalog and searched the alternate spellings.  Still, no luck.


As always, the explanation is in the dates.  The “function and use” notes for the Name Index catalog entry (4709010) indicates the Name Index begins with file number 38000.  Some additional research reveals file number 38000 relates to May 1903.  Thus the dates for the name index should be “May 1903 to ca. 1912.”  Where does that leave Lynn, whose immigrant arrived in January 1903?


Happily in this case I found all three from her BSI page, including Itzke, in that preliminary data (note all numbers are below 38000):







Soholl, Moszko



Reubenstein, Itzke



Friedman, Salomon


So, Lynn needs file # 34943, in Box 137 of the series "Letters Received, 1882 - 1906" (NAID 1564919)  Whether Archives I is accepting email reference requests, or how/when one could get an appointment to request it in person, is beyond me.  But that’s her citation for whenever the dam breaks.  


To review:  The INS “Letters Received” (NAID 1564919) cover the years 1882-1906 and are available for research when NARA is open.  The problem is finding an index to those files.  Currently there are several indices that cover different time spans:

·      INS Subject Index, ca. 1906-1957.  NAID 4490783 / Searchable on Ancestry at

·      INS Name Index, May 1903-ca. 1912.  NAID 4709010 / 1st alphabet searchable in NARA Catalog

·      Registers of Letters Received, 7/12/1891 - 9/11/1903, NAID 1561313.  Not digitized, available only at Archives I.  This register should include Lynn’s immigrant and the other two on her BSI page.  The problem is the registers are only inside the Archives I building.


That said, things are getting better:

·      That data NARA is verifying will continue make its way into the searchable catalog, eventually describing every file in that series for all dates.  The NARA-created index to all surviving files will be an accurate representation of all available files.

·      The old indexes and registers will continue to reveal files that may not survive, at least not within their original series, or perhaps indexed differently.


Marian Smith

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