Re: JewishGen Webinar this Wednesday: Finding Original Jewish Names and Towns #JewishGenUpdates

Hap Ponedel

Dear Avraham,
You may remember me as the translation coordinator for the Telshe yizkor book, but in addition I host a historical map website with Jewish content and I consult with students of Nancy Holden on geography. Unfortunately I was not able to attend Debbie Shaw's talk but would like to see her approach to this topic. Was it recorded and if so might there be an opportunity to watch it soon?
Thank you,
Hap Ponedel
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From: Avraham Groll <agroll@...>
Date: 11/15/21 6:57 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: [Special] [] JewishGen Webinar this Wednesday: Finding Original Jewish Names and Towns #JewishGenUpdates
The entire JewishGen community is invited to join us for our next free JewishGen Talks webinar:

Topic: Finding Original Jewish Names and Towns (Shtetls)- Our Ancestors Left Clues
Speakers: Debbie Shaw
Date: This Wednesday, November 17, 2021
Time: 2:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
Free Registration with a Suggested Donation: Click here!

Join Debbie Shaw, the Past President of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Colorado, for a discussion about Jewish Names and Towns!

Successful Jewish genealogy (beyond 2-4 generations) hinges on two critical facts: original names and towns. Without these two things we hit brick walls quickly! How do you do research if you no longer have relatives to guide you? Where do you start? Is it even possible to re-capture that crucial information if you know neither the original name or town? Using many examples, Debbie will demonstrate how to find original names and towns many decades after they were forgotten
or obscured. More important, participants will walk away with a comprehensive handout and one crucial strategy to help discover those facts.

Registration is free with a suggested donation. Please click here to register now! After registering, you will receive a confirmation email about how to join the webinar.

Re: Suwalki #poland #russia

Carol Hoffman

LitvakSIG Suwalki Gubernia Research Group has extensive information for shtetlach in the area. Follow the link in the previous sentence and you will see the list of the shtetlach. A contribution of $100 entitles one to five years access to all previous excel sheets and all new information that is circulated 18 months prior to upload on the ALD All Lithuania Database.

Carol Hoffman
LitvakSIG President

Re: Status of abandoned or divorced wife #usa

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>

Widowed was common, lots of women were widowed, and it was nobody's 'fault'.

Although divorce was not very uncommon in Eastern Europe, it was somebody's 'fault', and because Jewish law says only men could seek one, it was the woman's 'fault'. So men could be as rotten as they wanted, the woman could not divorce him, without his active participation.

So she became a widow. I had a cousin who was a widow in NYC, but the story is that her husband went back to Russia. You could tell a census taker whatever you wanted.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

"Anyone know was the cultural rules or Halacha would have to say concerning  this?"

Re: Have the towns in Prussia but can't read the handwriting #translation

Jack Berger


You might try a graphics program that will allow you to "squeeze" the image into a more legible form.

Good Luck
Jack Berger
Mahwah, NJ

This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks #poland #JewishGenUpdates

Bruce Drake

I’ve posted many excerpts about market days in Jewish towns because they are always so full of life and detail, and each one has something different to offer. This passage from the Yizkor book of Brzozow (Poland) is kind of a coda to a long section about its market day when neighbors, workers from the field and peasants conclude their business and head to the pub “to moisten their throats a little.”
“The pub is full to overflowing ... The air is thick and foggy with cigarette smoke… A bottle of vodka is opened; glasses are lightly knocked against each other and drunk to be followed by herring and rolls. … Talk begins about the business of the day, what was sold for how much. With each glass spirits improve …One blabbermouth boasts, to the admiring laughter of his companions, how he got one better of a Jew, selling him shoddy goods at a fantastic price.”
Sometimes, spirits get a bit too high and the hard-working publican, in addition to serving his customers, has to keep the peace.

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel

Re: Suwalki #poland #russia


Doug, some of the functionality of that group can be found at the Suwalk-Lomza Independent Genealogy Research Group on Facebook:

Both Detroit and nearby Windsor Ontario received many Suwalki immigrants (and Cincinnati too); including my great-grandparents.

Bill Elkus
Los Angeles, CA

KATZ - Holocaust Survivors in Budapest #hungary

Shlomo Katz

My great-great-great-aunt and her children appear to have survived the Holocaust and to be living in Budapest in 1946:
Lina (Pollak) Katz and her daughters Frida and Gizella living at Nagydiofa 32.
Mayer Katz living at 22 Akacfa.
Mayer, Frida and Gizella would all have been between 40 and 45 in 1946, so they presumably are no longer living.
Any ideas of how to trace them or their descendants would be appreciated.
Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring, MD

Re: Kindertransport exhibit opens at Jewish Museum Vienna #austria-czech

Jill Whitehead

Info is available from the individual Alien Registration records on Ancestry, FindmyPast and UK National Archives, and also via the Assn of Jewish Refugees. In some cases, there is specific data for some groups of arrivals - I found the records for the Kindertransports taken in by my Edinburgh family when they arrived in Southampton in 1939 from Berlin.  

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Suwalki #poland #russia

Jill Whitehead

The owner of the Landsmen printed publication decided to call it a day about three years ago or so. I understand some of the Suwalki data (not Lomza) has been deposited with Litvak SIG from the information on that website. Unfortunately copyright is vested with the owner of the publication and the owner or her representatives have said that copying of it is not allowed.

Litvak SIG sends out specific Suwalki area data if you pay them 100 $ (covers three year period). And some of the data is on JRI Poland too. Some of us also submitted our own data to Landsmen collected in Suwalki Record office itself (for which we paid) over time.

The SIG only published in printed not digital form, and some of us did voluntary research for it when asked to by the owner. It would help if the info could be digitised but this requires the permission of the owner. Copies of Landsmen can be viewed in specific libraries, which seem to be mainly University libraries in certain cities in the US (I do not know which these are). 

I understand that Litvak SIG is trying to set up a Suwalki Birds of a Feathers group at the moment (not including Lomza), under its new coordinator.

Jill Whitehead, ex UK rep on Landsmen Editorial Board 

Status of abandoned or divorced wife #usa

Sam Lorber

I believe I have found my 74 year old 2xg grandfather and his 68 year old second wife living separately with different married daughters in NYC in the 1900 federal census.  His status is married, while hers is widowed.  I have read several articles on desertion and divorce within the immigrant population but nothing mentions the abandoned or divorced wife claiming to be a widow.  Anyone know was the cultural rules or Halacha would have to say concerning  this?

Sam Lorber

Re: Seeking Ancestors, Julie ERTHEIN, born Julie ROSE #usa

The Becker's Email

Herman Rosenberg married Nora Coon 7 Apr. 1904 in Manhattan.  His parents were Harris and Lea (Sissenurie) (source:

Son George's obit in The Journal News (White Plains, NY) 7 Dec. 1982 gives his parents as Herman and Nora Rose and surviving sister Julie Erthein. (source:

Herman d. 3 June 1911 NYC.  Parents listed as Harry and Leah (Sesson Weve) (  Buried in Mt. Zion  Cemetery, Queens.

Johanna Becker
Newport, RI

Re: van Staveren family in the UK from 1858 #unitedkingdom


Are you familiar with the database Ashkenazi Amsterdam 18th century? the family is listed there with their jewish name Lehr, or similar.

His father adopted the name van Staveren.
Going back from there to Isaac Itsak Nathan Lehr.
It looks like their name may have been van Lier (Belgium?)

Loes Buisman, Amsterdam

Re: Tombstone in Hebrew #israel


I agree with Diane.  I did quite a bit of 'browsing' in the early Montreal cemeteries and many of the older stones are in Hebrew only.
I think it would be a good idea to post a picture of the stone.  From my experience, different locations usually have slightly different texts and styles.  Perhaps someone will be able to identify the style/text as perhaps belonging to a specific location.
Steve Goldberg
Jerusalem, Israel
Sagan/Shagan family from Veliuona (Velon), Lithuania
Goldberg family from Vidukle, Lithuania
Susselovitch/Zuselovitch family from Raseiniai (Rossein), Lithuania

Re: To find Romanian archive listed on jewishgen #romania #records

Michael Moritz

Anything that is included in the JewishGen Romania Vital Records database is a record that we have. Please reach out to us about any record of interest. 

Michael Moritz
Director, Romania Research Division

Re: Translation help needed: Yiddish or Hebrew? #translation #yiddish


The two documents in Hebrew talk about promissory notes given to him for safekeeping.  I think the first document refers to a note in the amount of $60, while the second refers to two notes in the amounts of $1,000 and $3,000 - enormous sums at that time.
Steve Goldberg
Jerusalem, Israel
Sagan/Shagan family from Veliuona (Velon), Lithuania
Goldberg family from Vidukle, Lithuania
Susselovitch/Zuselovitch family from Raseiniai (Rossein), Lithuania

Re: van Staveren family in the UK from 1858 #unitedkingdom



I suppose you know the websites of Friesland about genealogy and history? But if not here they are: and
Both websites can be read in english language. In "Bevolkingsregister" are the details of address and occupation. But not from all villages are the archives already scanned, they are working at it.

I did a quick search and found the marriage of Isak Barend van Staveren with Leentje Simon Adelaar. It says that Isak was born in Amsterdam. Amsterdam has its own website about genealogy,

Hope this is some help for you,

Lyn Bos


15 resources every Sephardic genealogist should know #events #sephardic


Where do you start when researching your Sephardic ancestors? This week Ton
and David share their top fifteen resources for Sephardic genealogy. Many of
these are accessible from your desktop. These range from national archives
to specialist websites and indispensable books. While not a comprehensive
list, this will help you get ahead in studying your family history.

Ton Tielen and David Mendoza are professional genealogists, founders of
Sephardic World, the Sephardic Genealogical Society and co-founders of The
Sephardic Diaspora group on Facebook.

The meeting is on 21 November 2021, at 11am in LA, 2pm NYC, 7pm London, 8pm
Paris/Amsterdam and 9pm Jerusalem. Patrons can join us on Zoom. Everyone is
invited to join us for free at: Please subscribe to
the YouTube channel. It helps us a lot and reminds you when we are going

Our last meeting, on Ashkenazim with Sephardic ancestry, was our popular
ever. You can watch the recording at

A listing of previous Sephardic World videos is available on the Sephardic
Genealogical Society website at

Best wishes,

David Mendoza and Ton Tielen, Sephardic World

Re: Suwalki #poland #russia

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>

"I have been trying to contact the Suwalk-Lomza Interest Group to join and purchase copies of the publication of their journal the Landsmen,
to learn more about my great-grandparents who emigrated from the Suwalki region in 1876 to Detroit, Michigan."

The SIG no longer active and doesn't publish the Landsmen journal any more. I don't know what has happened or who (if anyone) is looking at letters.  Since they didn't cash your check, I would recommend stopping payment on it, and, perhaps sending a message to the SIG that you are still interest.

There have never been digital copies as far as I know.

I'm sorry that it has come to this, as it was a valuable group, but check on, as much of the information is there as well. also has some.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: The voyage from Ukraine to Palestine (Israel) #ukraine #israel #general



It is unlikely that they walked from Ukraine to Palestine during that period, especially after the beginning of WWI, since the Turkish/Ottomans were Germans allies, while the Russians were allies with France and England. Traveling as  Russian/Ukrainian nationals through the Ottoman Empire during the war would mean death sentence or long imprisonment as spies, if caught. 

As others have said, it is more likely that they sailed to Palestine from a port in Europe and part of their journey to that port may have been on foot.  It is also possible that if they disembarked at Port Said (Egypt) or Beirut (Lebanon) instead of Jaffa, they had to walk the rest of the way.  When my great-great grandfather immigrated from Belarus to Palestine in 1891, he left his wife and 4 younger children in Port Said and sailed to Jaffa with his older son. Once they found work and were able to rent a room, they sent for the rest of the family, but for some reason, the ship from Port Said did not stop at Jaffa as planned and continued to Beirut, from which they traveled by wagons to Palestine. 

Most maritime traffic to Palestine stopped during the war, so if they did manage to get to Palestine, it was most likely before or after the war.

Dan Efrat
Cherry Hill, NJ, USA (formerly from Israel)
Researching Israelit (Belarus and Latvia), Goldblat (Belarus), Vilensky (Belarus), Pruss and Koifman (Ukraine)

Re: Help with NYC Record of Aliens Help for Special Inquiry #lithuania #records


Many thanks to David and Marian. Marian’s legwork made it possible!  I sent an email to NARA in the afternoon and the next morning received the scan from a very efficient archivist.  The letter describes the young daughter of the detainee, Itzke Rubenstein.  I am pretty sure he is her stepfather and the daughter was my husband’s beloved mother Lily. Thanks,
lynn dumenil

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