Hebrew Minsker Old Men's Benevolent Society #general


On 11/30/2021 11:01 PM, murphy8@... wrote:
I would really appreciate the translation into English on Minsker Old Men's Benevolent Society entry.  This photo was taken at Beth David Cemetery in Elmont, NY.  Additionally, If anyone knows anything about this Society or links, that would be great also.   
Thanks for any help.
Robin August


Re: Facial Identification in Two Old Photos #latvia #photographs

Jerry Scherer

I do not have any pictures in my collection that compare two males, with and without a beard. My guess is that it will not make a difference. My assumption is that the software compares many facial "landmarks" such as distance between eyes, nose shape and size, jaw structure, face shape (round or oval), etc. Hair would not be a factor into the algorithm. In my mother's case, her hair became thinner as she aged and the software still managed to correctly identify her after 70 years. If you have two or more photos to compare, I'd be happy to test this hypothesis. I created a primitive facial software application about 10 years ago using this principle. As I expected, professional software developers have come up with much better algorithms. You may want to sign up to Scott Genzer presentation at JGS Cleveland, posted by Esther Brill above. Scott presented at our society, JGS Toronto, on Feb 28, 2021. His presentation was excellent.

Jerry Scherer
Toronto, Ontario

Translating Hebrew on Gravestone - Hoping to find Hebrew Names #translation


Needing Hebrew on Gravestone Translated. Hoping to find out their Hebrew Names.

 Max Hoffman

 Anna Sarah Hoffman

Sophia Sherman

Reclaim The Records publishes the New Jersey geographic birth index and delayed birth index, 1901-1929, FREE #records #usa


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Records from the Soviet Embassy #russia

Anna Olswanger

Has anyone had success getting records (c. 1965) from what was the Soviet Embassy?
Thanks very much.
Anna Olswanger

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Re: Another facial identification question #photographs

EdrieAnne Broughton

They could be 14 years apart if the man on the left was 13 or 14 and the man on the far right was about 14 years older.  I'd try to find the family in a census or even in immigration papers.  The last are not as reliable as often boys ages were fudged to escape military conscription.  The sons look to be related...more than my sisters and I look alike.  
EdrieAnne Broughton
Vacaville, CA

Re: Facial Identification in Two Old Photos #latvia #photographs


I photographed a photo of my son at 16 today to send to him.  I also uploaded it to Google Photos, and it automatically matched the early photo to one of him this year at age 50. I would definitely upload these photos to Google Photos and see what happens.  
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Translation Hebrew Minsker Old Men's Benevolent Society #translation


I would really appreciate the translation into English on Minsker Old Men's Benevolent Society entry.  This photo was taken at Beth David Cemetery in Elmont, NY.  Additionally, If anyone knows anything about this Society or links, that would be great also.   
Thanks for any help.
Robin August

For researching ZIONTZ family - seeking a contact person for the Galil Genealogical Society in Israel #holocaust #israel #poland #russia #belarus

David Ziants

Does anyone have a contact person and phone number or email for the Galil Genealogical Society in Israel?

Tali B. Hadar z"l, who passed away approx. 20 years ago was in charge of this society and sometimes posted to this group. She occasionally tried to contact me about my ZIANTS family - but because of a "tale" in my family from my paternal grandparents that the original name of ZIANTS was ZENETSKY, which I had no reason to disbelieve, I every time told her this and that there was no point in researching my family name ZIANTS beyond my great-grandparents. Thus, I missed out on collaborating with her because I didn't think I had reason to.

I was born in the UK, and my grandfather Morris (Moshe) ZIANTS came as a baby with his parents, Marks (Mordechai) and Alice (Alka)  at the beginning of the 20th century from Narewka near Bialystok and Bielsk. (My grandfather identified himself as a Bialystoker.) 

I apologise, as I know I have repeated my story here or maybe parts of this story before on this discussion group and on other forums - and I thank people who have helped me in the past with this - but I don't think that I have presented this specific direction yet.

A number of years later, after Tali passed away, I found out from a cousin that this was just a tale and of course my great-grandmother Alice (Alka) ZENETSKY  changed her family name to her husbands when she married my great-grandfather Marks (Mordechai) ZIANTS. (All family names of course have variant spellings as is usually the case of names from Eastern Europe.) So ZIANTS was always my paternal family name, and I received at the time an extensive hand-written tree of the other side from a ZENETSKY cousin whom I never knew about previously. I have documented this tree clearly on .

Exactly fourteen years ago, I was put in email contact with Tali's father and I just now revisited and examined the email thread which did not last long. I wish to continue this "conversation" with him, but I don't know whether her father is still going strong. The email of then (and also the email of the person who put me in contact) no longer works. He was very explicit that the UK ZIANTS family and his family were the same family. This does not necessarily mean that it was my ZIANTS family that he was referring to because there was another ZIANTS family in the UK and so far these two families cannot be traced as being connected. 

What he did write to me is that his father was very upset and broke contact with the UK family (again don't know whether my family or the other - or maybe even both) because they did not want to pay for passage of his family. (It is known, that in my family that the two oldest of my great aunts came to England a number of years before my great-grandparents and the rest of the children and earned money to bring the others over - as this was quite often done.) He sent me the address of Yad Vashem, and told me to write to them. I did not, but now they have an online search engine - but because of quite a large number of  ZAJAC / ZIONTS entries, also with the names of Tali's ancestors (see below) and could not find Tali as a Page of Testimony submitter - I am not able to progress well, but possibly if someone of this genealogy society is holding Tali's personal genealogy files, or she has a relative who has this - maybe this can help me. 

I want to mention that Tali's ancestry was (as given to me by her father whose name I don't want to mention at this stage) Morris ZIONTZ (grandfather) and Joseph ZIONTZ (great-grandfather). On searching online trees, I find a few trees with the combination but none seem to resonate also where I see the name of Tali's father appearing as a son of Morris. The closest is where Morris has a daughter but no son is documented. Also, Tali had once posted a request to identify a Morris ZIONTZ, and nowadays with enhanced search facilities, I was just now able to answer this, but sadly she is no longer with us to see. That Morris does not resonate with her family. (Concerning the trees, I try and validate them from government records, etc, and add the documentation to the "about" of the profile on Geni and also have likewise created a few small trees, if I could not find am already existing matching tree). Also it is a bit vague from the email exactly who of the family perished and who survived. There was David ZIONTZ the trumpeter, among his list of a previous generation. (But nothing to do with my name David - as this is a name my parents liked and not after an explicit relative.)

Concerning my own family, I have reason to believe that my paternal ancestry of my family have originated in Brest (Brisk) as I located what seems to be my 3rd great-grandfather Moshe's grave stone in Bialystok, and on the transcript it is mentioned that he was from Brisk. A link to the gravestone photo with transcript is:-

The patronymic on that stone, according to the transcript, is Gavriel.

My online tree is (focusing on Marks):-
where Baruch Leib is the patronymic on my Marks's grave stone. His siblings and mother's name were deduced from Eastern European records that I found on and JRI Poland databases. This includes what seems to be this family in Bransk (also in Bielsk region).

So, knowing about Tali's ZIONTZ family and having a contact in that direction - in addition to any other help and suggestions that I might receive in light of what I have told now, might help me further in my research of my family. Again, thank you for the help I have received in the past from this group.

Searching on my paternal side, family names: ZIANTS, ZENETSKY (became SCHOLSBERG), ISMACH (became DAVIDSON and OSMAN), ALPERT, FRIEDMAN; all from Bilaystok, Bielsk, Narewka, Brest (Brisk), Bransk, Warsaw, Lomza, Lodz and possibly other towns in these parts of Eastern Europe.

David Ziants

Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel

Re: How to find Jewish family in Kaliningrad/Konigsberg #russia #general

Seth Morgulas

thanks so much for this information.  I just happened to see the topic headline and clicked on it.  I too have been looking for my Cohn family in the wrong place for many years.  Only took me about 40 minutes going through those scans to find exactly who I was looking for.   It never made sense to me looking in what is now Kaliningrad but wasn’t familiar with the Koenigsberg that is now Chojna.  Thanks for the assist in breaking a very old brick wall!

Seth Morgulas
Scarsdale, NY, USA

SCJGS invites you to: The Importance of Patronymic Naming and Cemetery Research #announcements #events

Leah Kushner

Santa Cruz Jewish Genealogy Society  invites you to  

The Importance of Patronymic Naming and Cemetery Research

Speaker: Nolan Altman

Sunday, December 12th- 1 pm Pacific Time Zone/4 pm Eastern


Free to Members, $5.00 to Guests

Headstone inscriptions provide one of the most important tools for those researching their Jewish genealogical history, patronymic naming. This presentation will familiarize the attendees with the evolution of family surnames and the practice of patronymic naming. Also, a trip to the cemetery:  including symbols and how to understand Hebrew inscriptions.

Nolan Altman was bit by the “genealogy bug” when he was inspired to write his family history in 1996 in memory of his mother. After  making use of the valuable information on  JewishGen, he volunteered to do data entry on  various projects. In time, he was asked to become the Coordinator for JewishGenʼs Holocaust Database and subsequently the  Coordinator for the JOWBR (JewishGenʼs Online  Worldwide Burial Registry) project. Nolan works with volunteers from around the world helping to grow both data-bases for the benefit of family members and researchers. Nolan currently holds the position of JewishGenʼs Vice President for Data Acquisition and will focus on growing the JOWBR, Holocaust databases and JewishGenʼs new Memorial Plaque project. He is currently on the board of the International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies (IAJGS) and was President of JGSLI (Jewish Genealogical Society of Long Island), where he coordinates their  Yearbook, Cemetery, and Memorial Plaque projects. Nolan is also a member of the JGS of New York. 

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Re: Searching: GOLDMAN (Poland) #general

David Ziants

It is known that the poster is no longer alive. In case, anyone else is interested, this seems to be some of the information that she is seeking.

From what her father told me in 2007, that her great-grandfather's name was Joseph ZIONTS, this profile that she is seeking does not seem to be of her grandfather as here Moses's father is Rivan (I guess Reuven):-


District of Columbia Deaths and Burials, 1840-1964 [online database], MyHeritage Ltd.



Morris Zaontz

Country: USA; State: District of Columbia; Folder: 4025324; Film: 2116026; Image: 509



Morris Zaontz

Wife: Esther F. Zaontz

Birth: Dec 8 1867 - Warsaw, Poland

Death: May 31 1926 - District Of Columbia

Burial: June 1 1926

Father: Rivan Zaontz 

David Ziants

Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel

Brick wall finding my Great Aunt's descendents Rose Schwed Roth #hungary #usa

Susan stone

Hello...I have been researching all my families for over 30 years. I am looking for the family of Rose Schwed Roth from Sarkosujlak, Hungary (now Romania), my grandfather's sister.. She lived in The Bronx and I have several photos of her.  She had a daughter named Sharon Lee ROTH and a son who I think was Irving ROTH.  Her husband was Eugene (I'm assuming it was Jeno in the old country).  My grandfather's family stopped speaking to my grandparents..  We did not know them until we met my 94 year old great Aunt Sadie (Rose's sister) .  I interviewed her...she was the one who sent the ticket (2) to  my grandfather to come here from Hungary!!!  She said it was just foolishness why they all stopped talking.  There is a lot more to the story...
BUT...I have since found ALL of this family except one sibling, Rose.  I have found a woman with her name spelled Schweid . But wrong family. Her birthday is Nov. 25  1895.  Think she was married here in the USA.    Can't find her Ellis Island records.  I found census but wrong family...Any help appreciated.  I found Harry, Sadie, Czilli, Sandor (my grandfather) Schwed  but not Rose.  And  I know all their children and grandchildren now, too...via FB and email.  They are all on my TREE.
Thank you,
susan Stone
Evanston, IL

Re: Facial Identification in Two Old Photos #latvia #photographs

Susan stone

I KEEP vacillating.  So I would try a facial recognition software like photomyne.  If you write back I can do it for you as I have a subscription.
susan stone
Evanston, IL

Re: Moshie and Ida ZIONTZ #general

David Ziants

Hi Albert,

I am trying to reply to this message from 17 years ago privately, but cannot see how to do this (the email is no longer active).

We corresponded around 15 years ago, and you put me in touch with the father of the late Tali Hadar nee ZIONTZ. I can no longer reach him, and also there might now be more information on the family that you are seeking, so if you are reading this, or anyone on this group knows how to put me in touch with you, that would be great.

David Ziants

Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel

Re: Looking for Taubs #hungary

Pam Shoebridge

Hi Robert 
I have a cousin Alan TAUB who lives in England. 
I can put you in contact with him. 
Please reply to me privately. 
Thank you 
Pam Shoebridge from New Zealand 

JGS of Greater Boston Dec. 19 Program Vilnius-The Jerusalem of Lithuania #announcements

Jessie Klein

December 19, 2021  1:30-3:30PM EST  Daniel Gurevich – Vilnius, The Jerusalem of Lithuania. Free for JGS of Greater Boston members, $5:00 for non-members. Information at


Jessie Klein


JGS of Greater Boston

Re: Looking for Taubs #hungary

Shelley Mitchell

One of my grandmother’s best friends was the widow, “Mrs Taube.”  They were both from Kolomea/Kolomyya. Good luck. 

Shelley Mitchell, NYC

Re: 2 questions #records #russia

michele shari

Hi trudy,
My great grandparents had a child die (stillbirth or a day or 2 later) and I found the record accidentally on when I was looking for more info on my great grandparents. It did give me the information for a cemetery, Silver Lake Cemetery in Staten Island, NY is where a lot of Jews and children were buried. To my surprise it was not in the same cemetery as my great grandparents or the rest of the family. The land for Silver Lake was donated. I contacted the cemetery and they said I had more information than they did and could not point me to a specific grave. Children were frequently buried between graves or in any available space. Markers were small and some may be illegible years later. Try plugging in the parents names on a random search on various sites and see what you find. Interestingly, when I found out this information and told my brother, he knew. My grandmother was very young at the time and she remembered the death and mentioned it just once to my brother but he didn't think of telling me and essentially forgot about it. 
Michele Farkas
Boynton Beach, FL (formerly NY)
Searching Farkas, Izsak, Weiszhauz, Tuaszig, Rosenfeld: Romania, Transylvania, Hungary
Searching: Kaufman, Horowitz, Gurvich, Leykin, Rosen: Minsk and NY

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