Help with identifying a "Devora" in Lida, Vilnius #lithuania


Hello.  I am hoping for some clues to a woman named variously Dushka, Devora, Gityla Rivka, or Raisa from Lida, Vilnius.  She was born in the mid 1850s and I believed married a Volkovisky who must have died between 1895 and 1898, when as a widower she marries Itsko Rubenstein.  She had two children with him, the latest in 1902, which helps with her age and allows me to eliminate 1840s and earlier “Devoras”  I have good documentation on the Rubenstein part, but am looking for her first marriage.   Those records suggest that her father’s name was Aron, possibly Abram.    

Has anyone come across the following women whose names I have found, but whom I can’t find as married adults.     

GITLYA Zakgeym, b. March 26 to Dvora Lebya and Abram, son of Iosel.  Vilnius.

She appears in the LITVAKSIG birth records and in the 1858 Revision list as Gitlya, aged o.25.


She also seems to appear living with relatives in Voronovo in the 1868 Revision list under the name of Dvorka (daughter of Abram, Itsko).  She is niece (aged 8) to Khaim Zakeim (aged 20) and his sister (possibly not) Rokhia Zakeim (aged 38).  


No trace of Gitla or Dvorka after 1868.


Another possibility is Dvosia Khoderovski, daughter of Zkharia, born c. 1856. Appears in 1874 Revision list only.   


Lynn Dumenil

Re: Jewish community in Salem Conn #usa

Karen Lukeman

Hi Marc, 

I am originally from New London CT which is about 15 miles from Salem. You received very good information from everyone. If you don't hear back from Jerry Fischer, please let me sister knows him well!

Best regards and good luck!!
Karen Calmon Lukeman
KALMANOWITZ (Lyubcha and towns near Grodno, Vilna and Minsk)
GOLDSMITH (Bakshty and Ivje)
NASSER (Damascus)
BENBAJI (Damascus)
BALLAS (Damascus)

Re: Translation of Hebrew Inscriptions #translation

Dubin, David M. MD

The funny looking lamed is a conglomeration of three letters — lamed-pe-qof meaning “by the short count”, leaving out the thousands place (inscription says “631”). Very common on tombstones, probably due to a desire for accuracy. I think the idea is that since the deceased was headed for the “world of truth” (עולם האמת), the last thing you want is inaccuracy over their final and permanent resting place. 

the person died on the 27th but was buried (gathered unto her nation) on the 29th, Rosh Hashana eve. 

“who stretched her palm out to the poor and her hand to the pauper” Is a quote from the last chapter of the biblical book of Proverbs.

  Zelig is right. No conventions in Yiddish spelling. 

David dubin
teaneck, nj


Re: Kishinev Revision Lists 1910 #bessarabia

Janet Furba

Hi ask the Kishinev State archive in Kishinev.
Janet Furba,

Translation from Russian script on back of photo #translation #russia


I would be grateful for help translating the Russian script (to English) on the back of a photo of my grandmother, Fanny [Weckstein] Kupperman, taken in 1905. The inscription is made in her handwriting; she signs as "your daughter and sister" (that much I could make out!).

Thank you in advance,

Kim Dana [Kupperman] Saydjari
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Re: Are we cousins? #dna #ukraine

Lee Jaffe

"It would be helpful to know what the largest segment was in the 70 cM match. If ftDNA got to 70 cM by lots of small segments, the 3rd cousin hypothesis would seem diminished. On the hand, if there was a 25 cm or 30 cM segment within the aggregate 70 cM, your hypothesis would gain some support."

I went back and looked more closely at the FTDNA data in response to this suggestion. It looks like the 70cM match with me was in 6 segments, 3 of which were more that 10cM – 15.81, 15.15 and 13.42.

I also went back to double-check K's match to my mother at FTDNA and saw I'd reported the wrong numbers earlier. They matched for a total of 103cM (not 181cM), on 6 segments, the longest being 21cM. Five segments were larger than 10cM – 20.89, 20.42, 17.41, 15.12 and 14.62.

I'm not that familiar with this level of DNA analysis, so I'd need to hear from someone who is whether this is significant. I was mostly interested in the fact that K was more closely matched to my mother than me, and whether that indicated (conclusively?) that my match was on my maternal line. I have only one known paternal match on FTDNA and she doesn't show up as a match to K.

Thanks for this help,

Lee David Jaffe
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Surnames / Towns:  Jaffe / Suchowola, Poland ; Stein (Sztejnsapir) / Bialystok and Rajgrod, Poland ; Joroff (Jaroff, Zarov) / Chernigov, Ukraine ; Schwartz (Schwarzman?, Schwarzstein?) / ? ;  Koshkin / Snovsk, Ukraine ; Rappoport / ? ; Braun / Wizajny, Suwalki, Poland,  Ludwinowski / Wizajny, Suwalki, Poland


Re: Help with NYC Record of Aliens Help for Special Inquiry #lithuania #records



I am looking to find more information about the deportation of great Uncle Abe Isrelsky in 1909.  He went before a Special Inquiry and actually deported.  I can't find any records of his situation in NARA.  He eventually did make it back to the United States.  With the links below can anyone help me find more information about his case.

Let me know if you need more information

New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Operations, Inc., 2010. “ (  Arrival of Isrelsky Family on November 17, 1909 aboard the Zeeland. Son Abe was deported because of curvature of the spine.  His birthplace is listed as Nur, Russia and is last known residence as Nier, Russia. 

Also  ( Records of Aliens Kept for Special Inquiry Pessche Isrelsky b 1879, Chaje Isrelsky b 1898, Beile Isrelsky b 1900, Abram Isrelsky b 1902, Schmuel Isrelsky b 1905. 



Jay Filan

Re: Are we cousins? #dna #ukraine

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>

"The The Shared cM Project 4.0 tool v4 gives 73 cM as the average for a 3rd cousin relationship. Jewish cousins might well be higher given endogamy, "

My closest match, other than my nephew, at 450+ cM, is in no way that we can figure related to me. In fact her family didn't even live near any of mine (and that is difficult as I am Heinz 57 Jewish).

To me, 73 cM seems like nothing. I do have actual 2nd and 3rd cousins, but none as low as 73 cM.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ.

Help in deciphering a town in Belarus #belarus


Requesting help in deciphering the town in which my grandparents Joseph and Sophie  were born from their  1909 Brooklyn marriage license.  Their passenger manifests their last residence in Russia as Nevel, Belarus.

I am including an attachment and a screenshot.

Thanks for your help

J. Filan
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Re: Russia Decides to Return Greek Jews Holocaust Archives #announcements #holocaust #records #sephardic

Francis AMAR

We have been waiting for this for such a long time ! 
I hope that JewishGen will immediately start negociations with the greek government to have access to these dramatically important archives as soon as possible !
Francis Amar / Geneva

Need help in identifying place of birth on WWI draft registration. #records

Herbert Lazerow

   Initial letter is a W-- compare the Ws in lines 1 and 9 with the M in line 10. Looks like Woloderky, but there is no W in the Russian alphabet, so read it as Voloderky, changed to a W by a German purser. That does not sound very Russian, so look for Volodsky.
    It is unfortunate that no such community appears in JewishGen's Community database.
    Perhaps the reference is to the guberniya of Volynia, located in Ukraine.
Herbert Lazerow
Visiting Scholar, UC Hastings College of the Law 2021-22
Professor of Law, University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110 U.S.A.
(619)260-4597 office, (858)453-2388 cell, lazer@...
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Herbert Lazerow
Professor of Law, University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110
Author: Mastering Art Law (Carolina Academic Press, 2d ed. 2020)

SZEJNIUK Family - Vilnius / Wilno #israel #holocaust #poland #photographs #translation


Good afternoon from the USA (Virginia),

This is my 1st time in the groups, and I am excited.  Jewish Genealogy has gotten better and better over time, and I have recently learned so much more about the SZEJNIUK (my father's side) of the family recently. This said I have attached a picture that had writing on the back I got after my father passed.  Unlike my father who passed in 1999 I am not multilingual.  So, if some knows how to translate then that would be excellent.  Here is the picture.  If anyone has pictures that are similar to anyone in this photo, then please share.  My father Noach (Noakh/Neuch) is the boy sitting lower left.  

Here is the writing that was on the back of the picture.  If anyone recognizes the language and can translate and return the translation in English, I would be appreciative.  Here is the back of the photo:

Also, here is the link to one of several related stories I have found about dad online.  He never shared much and that always saddened me.  But I am hoping that via this forum that others who have knowledge of the SZEJNIUK line will be able help me fill in the gaps.  

I want to thank whoever happens to respond to my post in advance for any support they can offer to my quest for a greater awareness of the SZEJNIUK family specifically my father's family (aka great and great-great grandparents) and the ROGINKIN family my grandmother's family (aka those great and great-great grandparents).  This IGCR came to me via a connection a short time ago, I think the language is French.  Dad spoke French but I do not.  This is another translation I really appreciate.

Finally, here is what I have so amassed and am looking for evidence I am on the right track in terms of the proper relationship alignment.  Some information I have is not clear and conflicts at the same time.  So, any documentation that established clear lines (aka birth certificates, etc.) that anyone may have from the SZEJNIUK or ROGINKIN lines would be most welcomed.   If you have written stories with pictures that would be outstanding to receive.  

Blessings always,

Nate Szejniuk

Re: Are those gravestones proof my ancestors were jewish? #germany

Corinna Woehrl (nee Goslar)

Hello All,

Sorry, Ted, I've been researching (Jewish) genealogy (based) in Northern Germany for 30 years now, and I don't see a clue for Jewish ancestry just by interpreting the writing/symbols on the gravestones.
As Andreas states: it is custom in Germany to use the "asterisk" as a genealogical sign for the birthdate on tombstones. The surname "Blunck" is fairly common in Northern Germany and not necessarily Jewish.
None of these hints would solely be an indicator of Jewish ancestry. As I wrote privately: the only way to find out is the classical paperwork genealogy.

Kind regards

Corinna (Wöhrl), near-Hamburg, Germany

Re: Sending money to Poland in 1880s #general #usa #poland

Lee Jaffe

Since you asked specifically about money for passage to the US, I think it more likely that you’re talking about the sophisticated system of immigrant banks and steamship agents. This allowed someone in the US to deposit funds on behalf of someone back home into a local account. When paid in full, the steamship agency in Europe would be authorized to deliver the tickets. No money crossed the Atlantic. There have been earlier discussions about this system with historical references which you might find interesting. Here’s one …

Lee David Jaffe

Surnames / Towns:  Jaffe / Suchowola, Poland ; Stein (Sztejnsapir) / Bialystok and Rajgrod, Poland ; Joroff (Jaroff, Zarov) / Chernigov, Ukraine ; Schwartz (Schwarzman?, Schwarzstein?) / ? ;  Koshkin / Snovsk, Ukraine ; Rappoport / ? ; Braun / Wizajny, Suwalki, Poland,  Ludwinowski / Wizajny, Suwalki, Poland


Re: a new Gesher Galicia project: interactive historical data maps #galicia

Deb Katz

This project is a great addition to your already mind-bogglingly stupendous Map Room....what a gift!
aka Debra Katz
Pacific Beach CA USA

Finding New Jersey County of Marriage #usa #records

Robert Avner

I found the listing of the marriage of Dora Goldstein & Nathan Rudman in 1943 on in the New Jersey Marriage Index. There is no county or code for county listed. At this time it can’t be ordered from the New Jersey State Archives. To order from the NJ Dep’t of Health Vital Records the county of marriage has to be filled out. Does anyone know how to find this out.
Robert Avner

Re: Need help in identifying place of birth on WWI draft registration. #records


Probably Woloderky in Kiev gubernia

Giannis Daropoulos 


Re: Translation of Hebrew Inscriptions #translation


5631 Is correct for year  תרלא
 ערה     appears to me to be an acronym for Erev Rosh Hashana, (Eve of Rosh Hashana)
although Rosh Hashana Eve begins after sundown of the last day of Elul which is the 29th.

David Rosen
Boston MA

On 12/11/2021 8:46 AM, Relly coleman wrote:

This is the Matzevah of a woman with honor at home and in public
who stretched her palm out to the poor and her hand to the pauper
the modest woman Rachel bat reb Asher
who left with good name 27 Elul
and was taken to her people on the day 5631 (1871) 'lamed'

Not sure about the last line.  The words may be:
ביום - on the day
ערה - awake
תרלא - 5631
ל - not sure of the meaning, coresponds to the number 30 

Relly Coleman

Need help in identifying place of birth on WWI draft registration. #records

Ken Cohen

My cousin, born in 1888, indicates that he was born in Russia. Can anyone help me read and locate the place of birth as indicated on his WWI draft registration? 

Ken Cohen
Norfolk, VA

Family name of Moishe Zahn (converted to Morrison) #canada


I am hoping for information that will assist me in placing Hadassah Morrison onto our family tree.

She originated in Ostropolia Ukraine.

She was known as "Mina Dasia"

I believe she had a son Shama who emigrated to NYC

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Martin Surkis

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