Re: Name Confusion (was: Top 10 Jewish Genealogy Myths) #names

David Harrison <djh_119@...>

Elyn has discarded a common feature of all these changes of given names.  The initial sound remains the same.  If the alphabet were the same, Her/his initial letter would be used and effectively so would the signature..  A Dutch great g-father changed his name from Hartog to Henry whilst and another who rose to own a shop with employees changed his family name from Herszkowicz to Harrison as being easier for his clients.
David Harrison
Birmingham, England

From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of Elynn Boss <bossgen_1@...>
Sent: 21 December 2021 15:02
To: main@... <main@...>
Subject: Re: [] Name Confusion (was: Top 10 Jewish Genealogy Myths) #names
When I first started doing genealogy, I asked my mother what the English names of her uncles (her father's brothers) where.  She said "I don't know".  She only called them by their Yiddish names.  Found them many years later and it turns our Uncle Mordechai went by Morris as did my grandfather Moshe.  They really didn't care what the English name was because that's not how they were referred to by family.

Another gr-gr grandfather Yehoshua was Ovsey in Poland, became Sam on his naturalization papers (as did his older brother), and later became Joshua.

Another gr-grandfather put as his father's (Baruch) English name Barry, Benjamin, Bernard on various records.
Elynn Boss
Frisco, Texas, United States
Searching: Abrahams (New York); Gichtin/Gechtin/Gertin (Buffalo, New York and Canada); Dreishpoon (New York, Russia, France), Danovitch/Daynes (New York, Massachusetts, Poland/Russia) and associated branches.

Re: The confusion of 'b' and 'v' in early immigration documents #records


In historical linguistics, betacism (UK: /ˈbtəsɪzəm/, US: /ˈb-/) is a sound change in which [b] (the voiced bilabial plosive, as in bane) and [v] (the voiced labiodental fricative [v], as in vane) are confused. The final result of the process can be either /b/ → [v] or /v/ → [b]. Betacism is a fairly common phenomenon; it has taken place in Greek, Hebrew and several Romance languages.[a]
See, I can use Wikipedia too!
Robert Roth
Kingston, NY

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Re: Was there a place called Strasburg in Silesia in 1875? #germany #poland


Thanks Rodney
I've tried looking for the family, Ickowicz, in Brodnica/Strasburg but didn't find anything,
Maybe I'm not looking in the right record sets.
I hadn't heard of the other place you mentioned or of the reference you quoted.
I'll have to keep looking : )

Many thanks!
Shoshanah Glickman

Re: Looking for information on a town called "Olmesh" in Transylvania #hungary #romania

Valentin Lupu

The place is Almas, pronounced Almash. It is situated in Arad region, Transylvania. You may find it in Google maps, just look for Almas Romania.
Valentin Lupu

Re: Help needed: identify language of handwritten letter (assumed German) #translation

Ines Klein

Hello Alice,
that is definitly German.
kind regards
Ines Klein

Re: Was there a place called Strasburg in Silesia in 1875? #germany #poland


There is / was a tiny place in Lower Silesia called Strassberg.  See:

That said, you might still want to pursue Rodney's idea that it was the place in West Prussia, rather than Silesia.

All the best,
Stephen Falk
Point Roberts, WA, USA

Re: The confusion of 'b' and 'v' in early immigration documents #records

Jill Whitehead

Speaking as someone whose maiden name was Servian, changed from Serwianski in Poland (named after Lake Serwy), this name caused my Liverpool family considerable problems, with all the Balkan wars in the late 19th and early 20th century. My great grand uncle changed his name from Servian to Silverman (and later to Maxwell after his grandfather Mordecai). Another cousin branch in the NE of England changed their name to Server. It makes research difficult today as a Google search may come up with Serbian conflicts rather than family aspects. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK
Researching Servian, Serviansky, Serwianski, Server, Serwer, Sirvan etc. from Sejny, Augustow and Vishtinetz in Suwalki Gubernia, Liverpool, Middlesbrough, Chicago, Detroit, Florida, Pennsylvania, California, and Mexico.

Re: Moshe Eliezer Klein and Rachel Leah Bronstein's 5th child Nathan Grossman #usa #poland #general

Sharon Ann Dror

UPDATE: Thank you for your responses. The Nathan that is buried at Washington Cemetery in 1954 is the WRONG person as his father's name does not match and the death date for Sam doesnt match the father's name too so I have the WRONG death information for this family. It is the RIGHT Nathan person with Libby AKA Lillie as his handwriting name matches his sister's NY Marriage License (not Ketubah) and his Army Registration card... 

Sharon Ann Dror

Re: Ozimina, Poland #galicia

Renee Steinig

Ozimina is listed in Gesher Galicia's Galician Town Locator ( As Mark Halpern mentioned, its Jewish Administrative District, where vital records were filed, was Sambor.

Listings in the JewishGen Gazetteer ( suggest that Ozimina is now either Mala Ozymyna (small Ozymyna) or Velyka Ozymyna (large Ozymyna) -- villages within c.10 miles of what's now Sambir, Ukraine.

This article in the Słownik geograficzny Królestwa Polskiego (Geographical Dictionary of the Kingdom of Poland) describes Ozimina: . Perhaps someone who reads Polish can skim it to see if it mentions anything of interest -- e.g. number of Jewish residents.


Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY

Helen Ernst Dosik <ernstcal@...> wrote:

<< My mother's family lived in Ozimina, near Sambor.  Does anyone have any information on this town? >>

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Re: The confusion of 'b' and 'v' in early immigration documents #records


This is a very interesting theory, but it's not quite in synch with the historical record.  The use of "Servia" for "Serbia" is more widely attributed to Latin;  there is some debate about what degree the "v" version came from phonological confusion or whether the Romans were trying to emphasize the servile (from Latin servus) nature of the Balkan tribes.  A substitution of Cyrillic Б (b) for В (v) due to their proximity in the alphabet is, with all due respect, creative but far-fetched.

I'd also like to point out that while Cyril and Methodius were responsible for the Glagolitic alphabet when translating the Gospels for the South Slavs, the later Cyrillic alphabet (which the brothers may or may not have had direct influence on) is derived from Greek, not a simplification of Glagolitic.  A few letters from Glagolitic (for example, Ш, Щ, for South Slavic "sh" and "sht", respectively) were brought into Cyrillic from Glagolitic, as Greek had no equivalent sounds or symbols.

Joel Novis
Longmeadow, Massachusetts
(NOVITSKIY:  Kyiv, Vasil'kiv;  OLSZTAJN:  Łódź area;  HYMAN/GEYMAN:  Ashmyany;  POTASNIK/LEVY:  ??;  POMERANTZ:  Kapyl', Navahrudak)

Re: Looking for information on a town called "Olmesh" in Transylvania #hungary #romania

Yitschok Margareten

Maybe "Almosd". It's in Hungary near the Romanian border. 

Yitschok Margareten

Rabbi Lippman Heller #rabbinic


Seeking descendants of the famed Rabbi Lippman Heller

Martin Surkis

Re: Help Obtaining Israeli Death and Burial Details #israel

Ilan Ganot

Hello Gail, 
The link in your post is broken. The correct link is:
According to the inscription on the gravestone, Arieh Zvi Markus, son of Asher David, was born in the Hebrew year 5639 (1879 CE) and died on 29 Shvat 5721 (5 Feb. 1961).
Ilan Ganot 
Holon, Israel 

Re: Book - list of Jewish military died 1ast WW #germany

Ilan Ganot

The Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington DC already has a copy of this book. See:
Perhaps the Leo Baeck Institute in New York will be interested in receiving this copy.
Ilan Ganot
Holon, Israel

Deutsch - Woodridge, NY #usa


Does anyone know the connections between the multiple Deutsch named individuals who settled in Woodridge, NY or had meetings there?   DNA matches have been elusive.   My grandfather Abe Deutsch lived and is buried there.

Ron Deutsch
Annapolis, MD

Henry FONSTEIN (b. ~1912) "Lost" in France mid-1960s #france

Arnon Hershkovitz

Hello, Dear JG Colleagues,

I'm looking for traces of my father's cousin, Henry FONSTEIN, born ~1912 in Israel (then Palestine), to Bellah (nee HERSHKOVITZ) and Maurice. Later, the family had immigrated to Cairo, Egypt, and from there - in the 1940s and 1950s - Henry's brother, sister and mother emigrated to Australia. As far as I know, Henry didn't emigrate to Australia.

One document, dated to the time he was living in Cairo, mentions Celine nee LEVY as Henry's wife.

On Bellah's tombstone - she died in 1965 - listed are her children names, and Henry is mentioned as being alive, living in Paris, France.

That's all that I know about Henry. I'm looking for more information about Henry, specifically what happened to him after 1965 - Where did he live? When did he die? Where is he buried? Did he have children? etc.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Arnon Hershkovitz

Re: Archived documents in Novo Ushytsky District and Kamianets-Podolsk County #records #ukraine


Kamenets-Podolsky uezd (county) was a distinct administrative entity from Novo-Ushitsa uezd.  There is a possibility that the records have not survived, but they would definitely not be found in metric books of another town or uezd.

Mike Vayser

Re: Moshe Eliezer Klein and Rachel Leah Bronstein's 5th child Nathan Grossman #usa #poland #general

Sherri Bobish


If someone has a subscription to:
There is a photo of Nathan GROSSMAN'S stone at Washington Cem.

Also, Nathan and Libby had at least two sons, Sam and Rubin.  Sam passed on in 1977.

1940 census, The Bronx
Nathan Grossman  b. Poland 60 Head
Lebby Grossman   b. Poland 55 Wife
Ruben Grossman   b. Poland 33 Son
San Grossman   b. NY 17 Son
Soc. Sec.
Name: Sam Grossman
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Date: 17 Apr 1922
Birth Place: N Y N Y, New York
Death Date: Feb 1977
Father: Nathan Grossman
Mother: Libby Borovich
 Notes: May 1943: Name listed as SAM GROSSMAN
 U.S., World War II Draft Cards Young Men, 1940-1947
Name: Reuben Grossman
Race: White
Age: 32
Birth Date: 20 Dec 1907
Birth Place: Sokoly, Russia
Registration Date: 16 Oct 1940
Registration Place: New York City, Bronx, New York
Employer: Self
Height: 5 4
Weight: 153
Complexion: Light
Hair Color: Red
Eye Color: Brown
Next of Kin: Nathan Grossman
Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala / Ragola, Lith.)
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne / Istryker, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD / FINK, KALTER (Daliowa/ Posada Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BERGER (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
SOKALSKY / SOLON / SOLAN / FINGER(MAN) (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / APPEL (Odessa?)

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