Date   

Finding Cleveland Obit Database #general

Helen Wolf <aa869@...>
 

When I posted the information about the update, I thought I put the path to
find the database, sorry.

It is: www.jewishgen.org/databases/cleveweb.htm

Hope you all have a good Shabbas.

Helen Rosenstein Wolf

Searching KORNSWEET and CORNSWEET (and varied spellings) >from Odessa
ADLERSBERG and WOLF >from Synowodko Wyne, Belarus (was Poland)
PINCHOFSKY
CRUTCH

--
Helen Rosenstein Wolf
aa869@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Pres. Ohio Valley Region-USCJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Finding Cleveland Obit Database #general

Helen Wolf <aa869@...>
 

When I posted the information about the update, I thought I put the path to
find the database, sorry.

It is: www.jewishgen.org/databases/cleveweb.htm

Hope you all have a good Shabbas.

Helen Rosenstein Wolf

Searching KORNSWEET and CORNSWEET (and varied spellings) >from Odessa
ADLERSBERG and WOLF >from Synowodko Wyne, Belarus (was Poland)
PINCHOFSKY
CRUTCH

--
Helen Rosenstein Wolf
aa869@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Pres. Ohio Valley Region-USCJ


Where is the shtetle Boboff ? #general

moshe susser <msusser@...>
 

Where is the shtetle Boboff, and where can I find information ?
Moshe Susser


Hebrew Home for Aged, Boston MA #general

HankPropp@...
 

Does anyone know if the records for the referenced institution still
exist somewhere. I had a relative I am reseaching pass away in the
Home in 1916 and I am looking for any information about him.

I could not find any mention of it in Warran Blatt's great book,
"Resources For Jewish Genealogy in the Boston Area"

Does anyone remember the place.

Thank You

Hank Propp


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Where is the shtetle Boboff ? #general

moshe susser <msusser@...>
 

Where is the shtetle Boboff, and where can I find information ?
Moshe Susser


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew Home for Aged, Boston MA #general

HankPropp@...
 

Does anyone know if the records for the referenced institution still
exist somewhere. I had a relative I am reseaching pass away in the
Home in 1916 and I am looking for any information about him.

I could not find any mention of it in Warran Blatt's great book,
"Resources For Jewish Genealogy in the Boston Area"

Does anyone remember the place.

Thank You

Hank Propp


Dreyfus Family #general

gen@...
 

-------------------------------------------
Name: Stephen A. Cohen (JewishGen #12106)
E-mail: <gen@nassau.cv.net>
Fax: (516) 826-5056 (24 hrs)
Date: 10/9/98 Time: 6:29:02 PM
-------------------------------------------
In yesterday's bulletin was an inquiry concerning the
descendants of Alfred Dreyfus:


A recent news program on I believe the Art and Entertainment
chnnel had data on the grandchildren of Alfred Dreyfus who were
active in the French resistance during World War II. On
survived but another was catured, tortured and later killed by
the Germans.

L'Shanna Tova,

Stephen A. Cohen


PS: I am researching the following families:

BAUM-Germany:Bosen; EISENKRAMER & LEFEVRE-Germany:Rhineland
Palatine; BASIST-Lith: Vilna or Vilnius, Belarus:Lida District
COHEN & SHEINHOUSE-Belarus:Radoshkovichi & Molodechno
BIRNBAUM & GOLDBERG-Poland: Krakow; Geller-Poland: Mielec
KREINDLER-Poland: ALL; Leinkram-Poland: Krakow,Ireland, England
SCHNEPS/SHNEPS-Poland: Debica/Dembitz & Tarnow
--------------------------------------------------


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dreyfus Family #general

gen@...
 

-------------------------------------------
Name: Stephen A. Cohen (JewishGen #12106)
E-mail: <gen@nassau.cv.net>
Fax: (516) 826-5056 (24 hrs)
Date: 10/9/98 Time: 6:29:02 PM
-------------------------------------------
In yesterday's bulletin was an inquiry concerning the
descendants of Alfred Dreyfus:


A recent news program on I believe the Art and Entertainment
chnnel had data on the grandchildren of Alfred Dreyfus who were
active in the French resistance during World War II. On
survived but another was catured, tortured and later killed by
the Germans.

L'Shanna Tova,

Stephen A. Cohen


PS: I am researching the following families:

BAUM-Germany:Bosen; EISENKRAMER & LEFEVRE-Germany:Rhineland
Palatine; BASIST-Lith: Vilna or Vilnius, Belarus:Lida District
COHEN & SHEINHOUSE-Belarus:Radoshkovichi & Molodechno
BIRNBAUM & GOLDBERG-Poland: Krakow; Geller-Poland: Mielec
KREINDLER-Poland: ALL; Leinkram-Poland: Krakow,Ireland, England
SCHNEPS/SHNEPS-Poland: Debica/Dembitz & Tarnow
--------------------------------------------------


Re: Hungarian-Jewish Archives #hungary

Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
 

MTB <71431.1612@compuserve.com> 1998.10.08. 20:11:10 -4h-kor irta:

Everything that Tom quoted about the Hungarian-Jewish Archives is true, I
think, at least in the abstract. I agree to call first. >from what I
understand, everything they have is in boxes, so far uncategorized.
Yes, they are completely unsorted. A friend of mine did a reasearch of statutes of Jewish organizations, and she worked >from those boxes. I assume >from the content of those boxes, that many of them came >from people who died and their documents were donated to the archive.


would be interesting to know if it is at least categorized by counties.
No, they are completely messed up. In one box there might be photos, old writing, legal documents, lists of survivors and martyrs, RIF soaps, etc.

I understand that even scholars are not permitted to root through the boxes.
It is possible to do research, although I understand that the archive publishes a series of booklets, so they would keep 'interesting' pieces for themselves. If anybody needs more precise information, please write me!

from my talk with Dr. Gyorgy Haraszti last summer, the former head of
these archives, there is nothing of genealogical interest in them, at least for the Burgenland Jewry.
Of course, it depends what we considerd to be of interets! I would be rather surprised if Dr. Haraszti checked all of the several hundreds of large boxes.

Maureen Tighe-Brown

mod- Is it fear, greed or apathy that keeps these important and valuable
documents interred within the bureacratic stranglehold of the self appointed oligarchs who call themselves caretakers of Hungarian Jewry?

I tend to agree with the above statement, although the organized Jewish community of Hungary (MAZSIHISZ) did have certain success lately. E.g. signed an agreement with the Hungarian Govt. to receive a yearly sum of c. 650 Million HUF as a compensation of the Jewish assets lost during the Holocaust.

Gyuri

mod (LS)- Gyuri Ujlaki is the executive director of Memoria - Hungarian Jewsih Genealogical and Historical Society in Budapest.

Gyuri, what amount of this annual 650 Million HUF (which I beleive is equivalent to approximately US $3,000,000)do you think will go towards protecting/preserving Jewish cemeteries & synagogoues? How much of this amount will go to Jewish archivists and scholars in Hungary to catalogue and preserve the precious and fragile documents of our history? Perhaps, I am too cynical, and all the funds will go to the indigent and hungry? I just find it difficult to accept that there is no money available to do something productive with the records that are now wasting away in the Jewish archives. How can we ask the archivists in the Ukraine and Romania to be more liberal in allowing for records' access when our own community still acts as if though it were a surrogate for a previously discredited and authoritarian regime? P.S. Gyuri, I understand if you choose not to reply.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hungarian-Jewish Archives #hungary

Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
 

MTB <71431.1612@compuserve.com> 1998.10.08. 20:11:10 -4h-kor irta:

Everything that Tom quoted about the Hungarian-Jewish Archives is true, I
think, at least in the abstract. I agree to call first. >from what I
understand, everything they have is in boxes, so far uncategorized.
Yes, they are completely unsorted. A friend of mine did a reasearch of statutes of Jewish organizations, and she worked >from those boxes. I assume >from the content of those boxes, that many of them came >from people who died and their documents were donated to the archive.


would be interesting to know if it is at least categorized by counties.
No, they are completely messed up. In one box there might be photos, old writing, legal documents, lists of survivors and martyrs, RIF soaps, etc.

I understand that even scholars are not permitted to root through the boxes.
It is possible to do research, although I understand that the archive publishes a series of booklets, so they would keep 'interesting' pieces for themselves. If anybody needs more precise information, please write me!

from my talk with Dr. Gyorgy Haraszti last summer, the former head of
these archives, there is nothing of genealogical interest in them, at least for the Burgenland Jewry.
Of course, it depends what we considerd to be of interets! I would be rather surprised if Dr. Haraszti checked all of the several hundreds of large boxes.

Maureen Tighe-Brown

mod- Is it fear, greed or apathy that keeps these important and valuable
documents interred within the bureacratic stranglehold of the self appointed oligarchs who call themselves caretakers of Hungarian Jewry?

I tend to agree with the above statement, although the organized Jewish community of Hungary (MAZSIHISZ) did have certain success lately. E.g. signed an agreement with the Hungarian Govt. to receive a yearly sum of c. 650 Million HUF as a compensation of the Jewish assets lost during the Holocaust.

Gyuri

mod (LS)- Gyuri Ujlaki is the executive director of Memoria - Hungarian Jewsih Genealogical and Historical Society in Budapest.

Gyuri, what amount of this annual 650 Million HUF (which I beleive is equivalent to approximately US $3,000,000)do you think will go towards protecting/preserving Jewish cemeteries & synagogoues? How much of this amount will go to Jewish archivists and scholars in Hungary to catalogue and preserve the precious and fragile documents of our history? Perhaps, I am too cynical, and all the funds will go to the indigent and hungry? I just find it difficult to accept that there is no money available to do something productive with the records that are now wasting away in the Jewish archives. How can we ask the archivists in the Ukraine and Romania to be more liberal in allowing for records' access when our own community still acts as if though it were a surrogate for a previously discredited and authoritarian regime? P.S. Gyuri, I understand if you choose not to reply.


Jewish Names #hungary

Henry Wellisch <Henry_Wellisch@...>
 

I think this message never made it to the digest, so here it is again

Jewish surnames have been of interest to me for a number of years and so I
would like to add to this conversation. I know of at least three books on
Central European Jewish names if you include Germany and Hungary in this
category:

Die Familiennamen der Juden in Deutschland - Gerhard Kessler (1935)

Deutsche Judennamen - Ph. Stauff (1912) [antisemitic]

A Nyugatmagyarorszagi Zsido Czaladnevek - Dr. Schwarz Elemer (1926)

There exist a considerable number of excellent articles on this subject
and several of these were by Dr. Heinrich Flesch who was the Rabbi in Neu
Rausnitz (Rousinov) now in the Czech Republic. Dr. Flesch was one of the
leading authorities on Jewish names in German speaking areas including
those of the Austro/Hungarian empire. He also published the history of
his own family entitled: Die Familie Flesch.

Practically all of this literature is in German and was published in
Judische Familienforschung, Jahrbuch der Judisch-Literarischen
Gesellschaft, Hickl’s Judischer Volkskalender and other journals. There
are of course many other articles on the subject by G. Wolf, L. Moses,
Erwin Manuel Dreifuss in these and other publications.

Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Hungary SIG #Hungary Jewish Names #hungary

Henry Wellisch <Henry_Wellisch@...>
 

I think this message never made it to the digest, so here it is again

Jewish surnames have been of interest to me for a number of years and so I
would like to add to this conversation. I know of at least three books on
Central European Jewish names if you include Germany and Hungary in this
category:

Die Familiennamen der Juden in Deutschland - Gerhard Kessler (1935)

Deutsche Judennamen - Ph. Stauff (1912) [antisemitic]

A Nyugatmagyarorszagi Zsido Czaladnevek - Dr. Schwarz Elemer (1926)

There exist a considerable number of excellent articles on this subject
and several of these were by Dr. Heinrich Flesch who was the Rabbi in Neu
Rausnitz (Rousinov) now in the Czech Republic. Dr. Flesch was one of the
leading authorities on Jewish names in German speaking areas including
those of the Austro/Hungarian empire. He also published the history of
his own family entitled: Die Familie Flesch.

Practically all of this literature is in German and was published in
Judische Familienforschung, Jahrbuch der Judisch-Literarischen
Gesellschaft, Hickl’s Judischer Volkskalender and other journals. There
are of course many other articles on the subject by G. Wolf, L. Moses,
Erwin Manuel Dreifuss in these and other publications.

Henry Wellisch
Toronto


KLEINS in your? tree? Tools for all #hungary

Jordan Auslander <jordan@...>
 

I have hundreds of Kleins in my family tree. I have put them all, along
with thousands of others in the AJGS's Family Tree of The Jewish
People. I hope people realize that the SIGs are amongst many tools
available to the Jewish genealogist. But these resources are only as
good as the community that maintains and supports them. We have the
Cemetery Project and Family Finder, amongst others. When the SIGs
create their, own in isolation, we squander precious resources. Most
Jews , especially those in the US are products of many geographic
origins. I have Hungarians, Litvaks AND Galitzianers in my blood. We
can't afford to operate in isolation.

Jordan


Hungary SIG #Hungary KLEINS in your? tree? Tools for all #hungary

Jordan Auslander <jordan@...>
 

I have hundreds of Kleins in my family tree. I have put them all, along
with thousands of others in the AJGS's Family Tree of The Jewish
People. I hope people realize that the SIGs are amongst many tools
available to the Jewish genealogist. But these resources are only as
good as the community that maintains and supports them. We have the
Cemetery Project and Family Finder, amongst others. When the SIGs
create their, own in isolation, we squander precious resources. Most
Jews , especially those in the US are products of many geographic
origins. I have Hungarians, Litvaks AND Galitzianers in my blood. We
can't afford to operate in isolation.

Jordan


.Re: * Auschwitz inmates records and fate #hungary

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

Tom Venetianer wrote:

I just received a letter >from the Auschwitz Museum, containing quite
detailed data about the fate of 7 of my close relatives. It took them about 3 months to reply to my original request. For those who are interested in obtaining similar information, here is the procedure:

1. Don't send email. They will NOT reply. Write instead. Their address is:

Panstowe Muzeum Oswiecim Brzezinka
Mr. Jerzy Wroblewski - Director
32-603 Oswiecim 5
Polska - Poland
Phone: (0-33) 432-022
Fax: (0-33) 431-934
There is no cost for this service; you just have to be patient.
For further searches they refer you to the following organization. You
can try this too:

Internationaler Sucherdienst
(International Search Service)
Grosse Allee 5-9
D-34444 Arolsen
Deutschland - Germany
Anyone interested in requesting death records >from the Oswiecim Museum can
expedite the process by referring to the 3-volume publication in English,
"Death Books >from Auschwitz". Volume 1 contains reports and illustrations.
The second and third volumes contain the Index of Names, A-L and M-Z,
respectively. The third volume also includes an additional list compiled of
eight original records for victims who were registered but are not
documented in the death books. Some 400,000 inmates in Auschwitz were
registered of whom about half died there. The death books contain about
69,000 entries.

Victims who went directly >from the transports to the gas chambers were not
registered.

The Death Books can be obtained via interlibrary loans. Ask for the English
edition ISBN: 3-598-11264-5 (There are German and Polish language sets, as
well).
Publisher: K.G. Saur Verlag GmbH & Co. KG, Munich, 1995

The books list the name of the deceased, birth date, birth place, death
date, and the number of the death record. All that is needed to obtain the
records is to list the information with a brief note explaining how the
victim may be related to you. In some cases, I was not certain of the
relationship, but indicated that the person in question came >from or near
the village (or town) of known ancestors. Unlike Tom's experience, all
correspondence >from the Museum to me was written in English. I received
records within seven weeks of inquiry.

If you cannot get access to the Death Books, then follow Tom's procedure.
Keep in mind that the death records usually contain the occupation and last
known address of the victim before deportation to Auschwitz, names of the
father, mother, their town of last residence, and the maiden name of the
spouse where applicable. The rest of the document gives the name of the
physician in charge, the name of the camp director and the falsified cause
of death.

On the other hand, Tom indicated that he received information about
transfers to other camps, etc. I am encouraged, therefore, to write to the
Museum again to ask about my relatives whose names were not listed in the
Death Books.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC


Hungary SIG #Hungary .Re: * Auschwitz inmates records and fate #hungary

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

Tom Venetianer wrote:

I just received a letter >from the Auschwitz Museum, containing quite
detailed data about the fate of 7 of my close relatives. It took them about 3 months to reply to my original request. For those who are interested in obtaining similar information, here is the procedure:

1. Don't send email. They will NOT reply. Write instead. Their address is:

Panstowe Muzeum Oswiecim Brzezinka
Mr. Jerzy Wroblewski - Director
32-603 Oswiecim 5
Polska - Poland
Phone: (0-33) 432-022
Fax: (0-33) 431-934
There is no cost for this service; you just have to be patient.
For further searches they refer you to the following organization. You
can try this too:

Internationaler Sucherdienst
(International Search Service)
Grosse Allee 5-9
D-34444 Arolsen
Deutschland - Germany
Anyone interested in requesting death records >from the Oswiecim Museum can
expedite the process by referring to the 3-volume publication in English,
"Death Books >from Auschwitz". Volume 1 contains reports and illustrations.
The second and third volumes contain the Index of Names, A-L and M-Z,
respectively. The third volume also includes an additional list compiled of
eight original records for victims who were registered but are not
documented in the death books. Some 400,000 inmates in Auschwitz were
registered of whom about half died there. The death books contain about
69,000 entries.

Victims who went directly >from the transports to the gas chambers were not
registered.

The Death Books can be obtained via interlibrary loans. Ask for the English
edition ISBN: 3-598-11264-5 (There are German and Polish language sets, as
well).
Publisher: K.G. Saur Verlag GmbH & Co. KG, Munich, 1995

The books list the name of the deceased, birth date, birth place, death
date, and the number of the death record. All that is needed to obtain the
records is to list the information with a brief note explaining how the
victim may be related to you. In some cases, I was not certain of the
relationship, but indicated that the person in question came >from or near
the village (or town) of known ancestors. Unlike Tom's experience, all
correspondence >from the Museum to me was written in English. I received
records within seven weeks of inquiry.

If you cannot get access to the Death Books, then follow Tom's procedure.
Keep in mind that the death records usually contain the occupation and last
known address of the victim before deportation to Auschwitz, names of the
father, mother, their town of last residence, and the maiden name of the
spouse where applicable. The rest of the document gives the name of the
physician in charge, the name of the camp director and the falsified cause
of death.

On the other hand, Tom indicated that he received information about
transfers to other camps, etc. I am encouraged, therefore, to write to the
Museum again to ask about my relatives whose names were not listed in the
Death Books.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC


1848 book/Hung-Jewish archives #hungary

MTB <71431.1612@...>
 

Alex Miller re: 1848 book: I bought a copy for Louis Schonfeld. Check with
him about its contents.

Why Hungarian-Jewish Archives aren't archived: my impression is that there
is so much stuff and either part-time staffers or insufficient staffers to
categorize it all. Not sure it's even open any more, i.e., it may just be
a holding place for now.

Maureen Tighe-Brown
University of Pittsburgh


Hungary SIG #Hungary 1848 book/Hung-Jewish archives #hungary

MTB <71431.1612@...>
 

Alex Miller re: 1848 book: I bought a copy for Louis Schonfeld. Check with
him about its contents.

Why Hungarian-Jewish Archives aren't archived: my impression is that there
is so much stuff and either part-time staffers or insufficient staffers to
categorize it all. Not sure it's even open any more, i.e., it may just be
a holding place for now.

Maureen Tighe-Brown
University of Pittsburgh


h-sig digest: September 30, 1998 #hungary

Steven Leof <leof@...>
 

I haven't been able to locate Kossu, Hungary or Bankoez, Austria Hungary on
the shetl finder. Can anyone tell me where they are/were located or how to
find out?

Many thanks

Steven Leof
--------------------
Researching my ancestors:
Bacharach >from Germany/Baltimore
Finkle >from Belarus/Ukraine
Fischer >from Bankoez, Austria Hungary
Gutman >from Kossu, Hungary/New York/Philadelphia
Hecht (of the eponymous department store) >from Baltimore
Hertz >from Germany (possibly Freischbach)/Tennessee/Arkansas
Katzenstein >from Hesse Cassel, Germany/New York/South America
Leifshutz/Lipshutz >from Azaritch, Minsk, and Mogelov, Belarus/Gomel,
Ukraine/Philadelphia/Toronto
Levin >from Azaritch, Minsk, Belarus/Gomel, Ukraine
Markovitz >from Dluke Kulcova, Slovakia/Philadelphia
Nathan >from Germany/Tennessee/Arkansas
Neufeld >from Humenne, Slovakia/New York
Nusbaum/Nussbaum >from Tarnov, Galicia, Poland/Newark, NJ
Schwarz/Schwartz >from Neu Sanditz, Galicia, Poland/Newark, NJ
Sherizen >from Kiev, Ukraine/Philadelphia/Toronto
Triesta


Hungary SIG #Hungary h-sig digest: September 30, 1998 #hungary

Steven Leof <leof@...>
 

I haven't been able to locate Kossu, Hungary or Bankoez, Austria Hungary on
the shetl finder. Can anyone tell me where they are/were located or how to
find out?

Many thanks

Steven Leof
--------------------
Researching my ancestors:
Bacharach >from Germany/Baltimore
Finkle >from Belarus/Ukraine
Fischer >from Bankoez, Austria Hungary
Gutman >from Kossu, Hungary/New York/Philadelphia
Hecht (of the eponymous department store) >from Baltimore
Hertz >from Germany (possibly Freischbach)/Tennessee/Arkansas
Katzenstein >from Hesse Cassel, Germany/New York/South America
Leifshutz/Lipshutz >from Azaritch, Minsk, and Mogelov, Belarus/Gomel,
Ukraine/Philadelphia/Toronto
Levin >from Azaritch, Minsk, Belarus/Gomel, Ukraine
Markovitz >from Dluke Kulcova, Slovakia/Philadelphia
Nathan >from Germany/Tennessee/Arkansas
Neufeld >from Humenne, Slovakia/New York
Nusbaum/Nussbaum >from Tarnov, Galicia, Poland/Newark, NJ
Schwarz/Schwartz >from Neu Sanditz, Galicia, Poland/Newark, NJ
Sherizen >from Kiev, Ukraine/Philadelphia/Toronto
Triesta