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Re: Status of abandoned or divorced wife #usa

kshepard
 

Hmmmm...  Was his name Julius Jacobi?

Regards,

Kathleen Shepard

On Monday, January 10, 2022, 12:33:24 AM CST, Diane Katz. SURNAMES/TOWNS: Laske/Ladyzhin;,Steinberg Kiev; Grunberg Rheinhorn/Iasi; Milston/Slutzk; Bicz/Mogilev; Glas/Varniai; Moskowitz/Nagy-Saros Klein/Eperjes; Hefliech/Hungary; Marks/Machester/Suwalki; Shedrofski/Suwalki <gdbkatz@...> wrote:


One of my gggrandfathers was a petty criminal and philanderer.  He abandoned his wife and two babies.  She too indicated on the UK census records that she was a widow.  However after 2 trips to the US she located her ex and got her get.  Jewish women need a Jewish divorce to remarry in a religious ceremony.  

I was surprised to see so many divorces listed in JewishGen records.  I think it was more common than it is perceived.   
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Diane Katz
gdbkatz@...


Two Different Hebrew Given Names or Wrong Person? #names #belarus

Brad Rubin
 

I found a birth record from 1882 in Belarus, written in both Russian and Yiddish, that I thought matched my great-grandfather.  The birth date generally matches other records.  The mother’s name (Shifra) generally matches other records (Sara/Soufia/Soufra). 
 
Numerous other records and headstones show his father’s given name is Meshulem Feivish.  I assume Meshulem is his Hebrew name and Feivish is his Yiddish name.  The Russian translation of the birth record gives the father’s name as Fayvish Movshov Rubenchik.  However, the Yiddish part of the record refers to him as Yosef Feivish son of Moshe Rubentzik.  This is the only record I’ve seen that uses the name Yosef.  Is there some connection between the given names Meshulem and Yosef?  Is it possible for someone to have two Hebrew names, one that appears in a birth record and another used everywhere else?  Or, does this suggest that despite all the other matching information, I have the wrong person?  — Brad Rubin
 


Re: Status of abandoned or divorced wife #usa

Diane Katz. SURNAMES/TOWNS: Laske/Ladyzhin;,Steinberg Kiev; Grunberg Rheinhorn/Iasi; Milston/Slutzk; Bicz/Mogilev; Glas/Varniai; Moskowitz/Nagy-Saros Klein/Eperjes; Hefliech/Hungary; Marks/Machester/Suwalki; Shedrofski/Suwalki
 

One of my gggrandfathers was a petty criminal and philanderer.  He abandoned his wife and two babies.  She too indicated on the UK census records that she was a widow.  However after 2 trips to the US she located her ex and got her get.  Jewish women need a Jewish divorce to remarry in a religious ceremony.  

I was surprised to see so many divorces listed in JewishGen records.  I think it was more common than it is perceived.   
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Diane Katz
gdbkatz@...


Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Gary Pokrassa
 


-- Hi Sheila


There is indeed a huge number of documents posted by Alex K for Elizavetgrad but nothing that I can see identifying Rivne within these files ....sorry I cant give you better news
 
Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division


Re: Another request for 1921 England census Polish Russian place name suggestion #unitedkingdom #poland #general

Terry Ashton
 

Hi Nettie,
Have you checked to see if your relative has a "Supplementary" file to their
naturalisation document at the National Archives? It would begin with HO
144/...
If so, these files contain a lot more information than the straight
naturalisation document which is often an HO 134/... and this might answer
your question. If the file is closed for a 100 years, complete an FOI
request. I have had success with them being opened.

Ms Terry Ashton, Australia
PRASHKER-Kalisz; SZUMOWSKI-Lomza; WAJNGOT-Poland; WIERZBOWICZ-Poland;
GOLDMAN-Poland; SEGAL-SEGALOVITCH-Vilna; GOLTZ-Latvia


Re: SHTERENLIKHT from HODORKOV / HODOROVKA ( ШТЕРЕ�ЛИХТ ) GORLOVSKAYA from MENA ( ГОРЛОВСК�Я ) #ukraine

David Ellis
 

There may be surprises in the form of family branches where this surname transposes into LICHTENSTEIN.  Keep your eyes open!

 

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David  J  Ellis

Natick, MA 01760

djemkitso@...

 


Can you identify 1920s Slovakia employment by this uniform? #austria-czech

Alice Glasner
 

 
This photo of family member was probably taken in the Kesmarok area in the 1920s.  I would like to know what kind of job she had. Perhaps you have seen similar uniforms from this region/period and might have an idea. 
 
Thank you for your suggestions!
Alice Glasner
 
 


Warshofsky in Chicago #belarus #names

Karen Gramigna-Warren
 

I’m trying to possibly find siblings by looking at Tombstones and other data and see if there is a possible relationship.  I’m working on the surname Warshofsky from Motol, Belarus.  As many of you have experienced this surname has many variations as well as “Americanized” variants.  My husband’s family shorten theirs to Warren but I’ve seen Warner, Worsham, Warshan, Warshaw and I’m sure I will find others. 

 

I have 2 individuals David Louis Warshofsky and Sarah Gittel Worsowesky both born in Motol, traveled to Chicago and are buried in Waldheim Cemetery, Illinois in the Anshe Motele Section

 

David Louis Warshofsky went by David Warner.  Born on 15 Apr 1891, on his ship record to the US, stated leaving his father Alter Worocewicki in Motol, Grodno.  His tombstone states he is the son of Pinchas Eliahu.

 

Sarah Gittel Worsowesky married a Hershel Warshafsky in 1910.  Hershel/Harry’s naturalization papers stated Sara was born in Motel on 14 Jul 1889 and came to the US in 1906.  On her death certificate it stated her father was Alter Warshafsky and on her tombstone it lists her father as Pinchos Eliyahu.

 

Another similarity between them, David had 3 children, and Sara had 5, both named a daughter Dorothy and a son Irving.

 

So here are my questions:

  1. What is the relationship between the name Alter and Pinchas Eliahu?
  2. With all this similar information, Alter, Pinchas Eliahu, born in Motol, Warshafsky/Warshofsky Worocewicki/Worsowesky, children’s named Dorothy and Irving, can I assume they are probably siblings?

 

Karen Warren

Chicago, IL

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Avotaynu magazines to donate #general

ssroth@...
 

Hi friends,

                Please let me know if you would be interested in a full set of Avotaynu Magazines from 1997-2010. I am moving and must let go of many of my treasures.

 

Best,

Sheree Roth

Palo Alto, CA

ssroth@...
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View Mate Translation-German #translation

John Anderson
 

I've posted 2 vital records in  German for which I need a translation. They’re on ViewMate at the following addresses….
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM96769 and

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM96770

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.

John Anderson,
Orlando, Florida 


Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Family and DNA
 

I don't know what else might be available, but on Wikipedia Ukraine the files for Rivne/Rivnoye would be here

https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/Архів:Єврейське_містечко/Херсонська_губернія#Єлисаветградський_повіт

and the 1 metric file listed in that place is also referenced via the "archive" page

https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/Архів:ДАКрО/187

So there it is included in in Yelizavetgrad uzed, & I'm posting this publicly in case anybody else needs the info, or can tell us more about what might be available.

regards,

Juliana Berland (France)

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Seeking information on Jacob LISHINSKY/LASHLEY #usa

Felissa Lashley
 

Dear all,
I have a couple of clippings that indirectly refer to my father being
a "former lightweight eastern intercollegiate boxing champion" but
have not been able to find anything more primary or detailed.

Jacob LISHINSKY changed his name to Jack LASHLEY in about 1930. He
attended Brooklyn College from 1927-1934 or so working part time and
going to school. Except for 1-2 years in St. Joseph, MO in 1923-24, he
lived in Brooklyn, NY till 1941 when he moved to the Bronx. In the
1980s he moved to Bloomington, IL.

Many many years ago I looked thru the microfilms of the school
newspapers at Brooklyn College but was unable to find anything.
Does anyone have a suggestion as to how I could find out more about
this aspect of his life? I am near the point of completing this
section of my family history and story to send to the printers.

Thank you so much for any suggestions or help you can provide.

Felissa Lashley
frlashley@...
Austin, TX


Re: Help with place name on 1921 UK census form please #names #unitedkingdom #poland

Jessica Skippon
 

Hello Ruvane - Don't jump too quickly to Biala Podlaska. Another large city near Krakow was Biala, merged in 1951  with Bielitz across the small river to be known as Bielsko Biala.

My grandmother spent her teenage years there and I have visited several times with various family members. The first time I visited was1988, before the Berlin Wall came down, I was driving my car with UK license plates. I followed another car down a street and was pulled over by two policemen who fined me the equivalent of 25p - 30 cents. I never found out what I did wrong. I think it was having foreign plates.

Jessica Skippon
London, England
researching SCHANZER, BORGER, BIRN, JACHZEL, GLUCKSMAN and WALDNER, all Andrychau, Wadowice and Bielso Biala.


Subj: ViewMate translation request - Russian #russia #poland #translation

kosfiszer8@...
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
--

Angel Kosfiszer

Richardson, Texas


Re: Where is the SSDI? #usa

Laurie Sosna
 

Fold3 is free (no registration required) search https://go.fold3.com/ssdi?
FamilySearch has it for free (registration required) https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1202535

Laurie Sosna
San Francisco, CA


Subj: ViewMate translation request - Polish #translation

kosfiszer8@...
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
--

Angel Kosfiszer

Richardson, Texas


Re: Identify building and location of an early group photo? #photographs #usa

Michele Lock
 

You can try contacting the Jewish Museum of Maryland, which is located in Baltimore. I know they keep archives of synagogue records, and I suspect they also have records of Jewish communal organizations. 

I agree that this is a photo from 1925 to the early 1930s, based on the women's hairstyles and dress. The photo does seem to have been taken in some type of courtyard or atrium. 
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Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Rabinowitz in Papile, Lithuania and Riga, Latvia
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus


Re: 1921 Census may have removed bricks. Is this my Zilbert family - Kaunas, Lithuania #lithuania #records

Nancy Seibert
 

Rachel, 
The given name Yehoshua (Joshua) (you noted your document has the spelling Yehoshue) doesn't translate to Jankel/Yankel in Yiddish, in a search of the JewishGen Given Names Database. Jankel is a Yiddish name for Yaakov (Jacob).

But a person could have had several Yiddish and secular nicknames. Does "Jankel" appear in any family documentation you have found? 
A Hebrew name sounding similar to Yehoshua is Yeshayahu/Yeshayo (Isaiah). Those two names have at least one Yiddish nickname in common, though: "Shaye".

Mazel tov on breaking the brick wall between "Russia" and Kovno, Lithuania! I'm also looking for ancestors there, who seemed to have migrated back and forth from the former Kovno Gubernia to Latvia, making the puzzle more complex. I'm somewhat familiar with Silber/Zilber in the LitvakSig records, having come across the record you posted.

You probably know that name spellings could vary widely. We are reading transliterations based on input from the named person and the clerk who wrote them down.

Nancy Seibert
Rhode Island, USA

Searching: ALMAN/OLMAN, SALKOFSKY/ZALKOFF, TZIBERT/ZIBERT, SANDEL/ZANDEL, BURNOWITZ/BARANOWITZ, BLUM, BLUMBERG, VOLPERT, REYNHOLD, MATUSEWICZ in Lithuania, Latvia , and USA.


Re: SHTERENLIKHT from HODORKOV / HODOROVKA ( ШТЕРЕ�ЛИХТ ) GORLOVSKAYA from MENA ( ГОРЛОВСК�Я ) #ukraine

David Lewin
 

At 15:39 09/01/2022, as@... wrote:
Hello Group

I'm new to JG (although I have helped some of you
translate from Russian about 5 years ago
via soc.genealogy.jewish usenet group).

I now want to trace my family tree,
starting from a birth certificate of my
grandfather.

Not sure what to expect from this Group,
but here's what I have
(I'm a native russian speaker, so I do transliteration
as I think this should be done - please correct
if there are standard rules):

ШТЕРЕ�ЛИХТ МИХ�ИЛ ИС��КОВИЧ
родил�� 20 июн� 1906
м ХОДОРОВК�
район КОРЖИ�СКИЙ
обла�ть ЖИТОМИРСК�Я

отец ШТЕРЕ�ЛИХТ ИС��К ОВСЕЕВИЧ
еврей

мать ШТЕРЕ�ЛИХТ ЮЛИЯ С�МОЙЛОВ��
еврейка

my tranlsation/transliteration:

SHTERENLIKHT MIKHAIL ISAAKOVICH
born 20 June 1906
in village (russian "м" is "ме�то/ме�течко",
which is shtetl) HODOROVKA
(which is in Volynia, and at that time could
have been also called HODORKOV).

father SHTERENLIKHT ISAAK OVSEEVICH
jew

mother SHTERENLIKHT YULIA SAMOILOVNA
jew


This is the birth certificate issued in 1957
by Ukranian Soviet authorities.
There is stamp on it

"Во��тановлена запи�ь"

meaning "Restored entry/record"
which is obviously correct -
there must be some birth record
of him from 1906.
Where?

What I want to know is where my
great grandparents are from.

I contacted Chabad Zhitomir -
closest Chabad to Hodorkov,
to see if they have access to any
local records - waiting for a reply.

Any advice?

Thanks

Anton Shterenlikht (�нтон Штеренлихт)
Bristol, UK
as@...

I do not know how up-to-date I am but try to comntat

Hana Sternlicht hanadov2@...,

David Lewin
London

Search & Unite attempt to help locate people who,
despite the passage of so many years since World
War II, may still exist "out there".
We also assist in the process of re-possession of
property in the Czech Republic and Israel.
See our Web pages at https://remember.org/unite/


Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Sheila Toffell
 

Gary Pokrassa,

There is another town with the same name as the one in Volyn - Rivne / Rovnoe  approx 30 miles SSW of what was Elisavetgrad. My maternal GM might have come from there, but she only told me Elisavetgrad. I was told about Rivne by her great niece, who lived in Elisavetgrad pre and post war as a child and made Aliyah in the Gorbachev era. However, this cousin of mine also said that our mutual GGF was a jeweler in Elizavetagrad, but he didn't appear in a list of Jewelers so who knows where they lived! I am not sure who it was that lived there but I am contact with another Brizinov family from the same town, but they have not done DNA testing. 

I can see the town of Rivne / Rovnoye on Google Maps but I cannot find out what district it was listed as in Alex's scans past the title of Elizavetgrad. Consequently, I am stuck with hundreds of pages of documents looking for the name of Bresenov / Brizinov.  Do you have any idea what ledgers towns in the approximate area of this Rivne/ Rovnoe  might be in? I think that the town might be a "county seat" at this point, but maybe not earlier on. 

Sheila Toffell
UKRAINE: BRESENOV / BRIZINOV (Elizavetgrad), KORSUNSKY, BERNSTEIN  (Stavische, Boguslav, Tarasche and nearby towns).
POLAND: GEBICKI (Izbika Kujwalski), LAKUMSKI (Skulsk, Radzievow), RACHWALSKI, SOMPOLINSKY / BENJAMIN (Slesin).

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