Re: Lithuania/Latvia and South Africa #southafrica #general #lithuania

Ed Goldberg

At the beginning of the 20th century there were no restrictions on countries of origin emigrating to South Africa and Jews arrived from all countries. The Union Castle Line of ships had the contract to carry mail from Southamton, England to Cape Town and back but needed more income and so expanded into passenger service. They decided to send agents throughout Latvia and Lithuania to sell tickets to Jews in the cities and shtetls. Often one member of a family would buy a ticket, make some money in South Africa and then send money back through these agents so that the rest of their families could get tickets.
Ed Goldberg
Vancouver, Canada

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

David R. Brill

Response to Jim Gutterman about Tuchin - All the Tuchin revision lists are online on the Tuchin KehilaLinks page This includes years not yet uploaded to the Ukraine database (1816-1817). Also various lists from the Polish period that you may find useful for the 20th century. Unfortunately there are no  birth/marriage records known to have survived for Tuchin.

Response to Sammy Iger and others about Rovno: All of the 1851 revision list for Rovno town (4581 records total) has been translated. It has been submitted to the Ukraine database but not uploaded yet. Please contact me for more information. I'm afraid I don't see the surname IGER or variants in that list.

David R. Brill
Cherry Hill, NJ

Ordering books from Avotaynu #general


Does anyone know how to order a book from Avotaynu without using its website? Because Avotaynu doesn't use https/encryption, I'm reluctant to order on its website.The number on Avotaynu's website for telephone orders is inoperative, no one has responded to messages I've sent using its online "contact us" tool, and there is no reference on the website to ordering by mail/check. Thanks.

David Solomon

Re: Lithuania/Latvia and South Africa #southafrica #general #lithuania


I can't answer that question exactly, but among my ancestors--my father's family all came from Lithuania--many went to South Africa but some came to the US as well. It seems to be a bigger group in South Africa (where they spell they family name "Judelman"), but I don't know of any impediment keeping them from going elsewhere. I would also like to know--was it more expedient to immigrate to SA?

Rachel Youdelman

Re: British census terms #unitedkingdom

Diane Jacobs

Perhaps one got bed and food while the other just had a bed.

Diane Jacobs

On Jan 11, 2022, at 10:22 AM, John Anderson <counselor12721@...> wrote:

What might be the difference between these terms in the 1891 English census (London)--LODGER and BOARDER? This person's household had 3 lodgers and 2 boarders.

John Anderson,
Orlando, FL

Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: Where is the SSDI? #usa

Sarah L Meyer

While to access all of Ancestry's records and databases, a subscription is required, some of Ancestry's databases are free.  Don't dismiss Ancestry until you have seen a padlock on the data.  I have a subscription so I can't tell if it is or is not free.  The 1940 census is free.  There is however a list of free collections on Ancestry.
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

British census terms #unitedkingdom

John Anderson

What might be the difference between these terms in the 1891 English census (London)--LODGER and BOARDER? This person's household had 3 lodgers and 2 boarders.

John Anderson,
Orlando, FL

JGSColorado presents Preserving Holocaust History: Collecting Oral Testimonies and Researching Family Fates with experts from the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum #announcements #jgs-iajgs #events

Ellen Beller

Preserving Holocaust History: Collecting Oral Testimonies and Researching Family Fates

With experts from the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum

Jo-Ellyn Decker, Research and Reference Librarian, National Institute for Holocaust Documentation. U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum

Ina Navazelskis, Oral Historian, National Institute for Holocaust Documentation. U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum


Jaime Monllor, International Outreach Officer, National Institute for Holocaust Documentation. U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum

Join us for a live digital program featuring representatives from the National Institute for Holocaust Documentation at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum who collect, preserve, and make accessible to the public the vast collection of record on the Holocaust.  The Museum has collected and produced over 25,000 interviews, making it one of the largest Holocaust-related oral histories collections in the world.  In addition, it has thousands of collections and millions of pages of searchable material from the International Tracing Service Digital Archive from the Arolsen Archives.  Learn how the Museum continues producing oral history interviews despite the pandemic and hear about the meticulous research process offered -- relevant for Holocaust survivors, their families, and others wishing to discover more about the fate of those persecuted.

Sunday January 23, 2022 

10:00 AM To 12:00 PM Mountain Time

9:30 AM to 10:00 AM Schmear, Schmooze, and Share

Program starts promptly at 10 AM

On Zoom  

Speakers’ bios:

Jo-Ellyn Decker is currently a Research and Reference Librarian in the Holocaust Survivor and Victims Resource Center.  In this role she conducts research using Museum collections, especially the International Tracing Service (ITS) collection from the Arolsen Archives, in order to trace the paths of persecutions related to individuals, Jewish or non-Jewish, persecuted, or discriminated against due to the racial, religious, ethnic, social, and political policies of the Nazis and their collaborators between 1933 and 1945, this includes, inmates of concentration camps, ghettos, and prisons as well as people who were in hiding or displaced.  Ms. Decker earned a BA in Interdisciplinary Studies: Appreciation, Promotion, and Management of Historical and Cultural Antiquities from Bethany College, WV, in 2006 with minors in History and in German. She holds a master’s degree in Library and Information Science (M.L.I.S.) from Kent State University in Ohio.  Ms. Decker began her career at the Museum in 2008. 

Ina Navazelskis is a journalist of 35 years’ experience specializing in East European affairs and 20th century history. Since 2001, she has been on staff at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum’s Oral History Branch. In that time, she has conducted almost 400 in-depth video interviews with Holocaust survivors, witnesses and liberators from over a dozen countries in three languages: English, German and Lithuanian. She has written extensively about the Baltic States in the context of World War II and its aftermath. Her work has appeared in publications such as Newsday, the Washington Post, the Christian Science Monitor, St. Petersburg Times, Chicago Tribune, Philadelphia Inquirer, Transitions Magazine, Index on Censorship, the German language newspapers Die Zeit and Sueddeutsche Zeitung, as well as the Lithuanian language publications Kauno Dienos and Ieva.  She is also the author of Fragments and Fissures:  Dispatches from Vilnius 1990-1991 (in Lithuanian: Versus Aureus, Vilnius, 2012); Leonid Brezhnev (in English: Chelsea House Publishers; New York, 1987); and Alexander Dubcek (in English: Chelsea House Publishers; New York, 1990).  She was a Fellow at the Woodrow Wilson Center in 2009.

Jaime J. Monllor currently is the International Outreach Officer at the National Institute for Holocaust Documentation of U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, where he oversees a range of international activities under the Museum’s Rescue the Evidence Initiative.  He provides leadership and direction for the development and operation of the outreach program, analyzes its needs, and defines policies, procedures and guidelines for its execution.  He joined the Museum in 1996 to manage the visiting scholar and academic scholarly presentation programs at the Center for Advanced Holocaust Studies.   He also served as a Program Producer for the Museum’s Educational and Public Programs Division, producing a variety of programs that examined the Holocaust and contemporary genocides.  Prior to joining the Museum, he worked at the National Endowment for the Arts’ Office of Communications.  Jaime earned a M.A. in Language and Foreign Studies / Latin American Studies, American University, Washington, DC, and a B.A. in Communications, University of the Sacred Heart, San Juan, PR.
Register at

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                                                                                                                   Guests $5
Ellen Beller President JGSCO

Re: Searching for 2 Abramowitz Brothers Who Emigrated to South Africa from Kurland, Latvia #southafrica



I've had good results with two South African websites:

SA Jewish Rootsbank, the South African Jewish Database
National Archives of South Africa

FamilySearch has some South African records, but I'd recommend starting with these two websites.  Many Jews emigrated to South Africa from Latvia and Lithuania.  


Ellen Morosoff Pemrick 
Saratoga County, NY


Re: Where is the SSDI? #usa

Ilya Zeldes

Several days ago, I posted this question to the group and got many suggestions. Since in my original post I did not explain why I was asking, I'd like to do it now.
On the  Social Security Death Records page, you have to select a search engine before you may search. There are 5 options: Ancestry and Genealogy Bank require a subscription (which I don't have), while Death Master File, FamilySearch, and MyHeritage are free. 
I tried FamilySearch first, but got an error message "oops, something went wrong". Then I tried the Death Master File and got a note saying that it's hosted by JewishGen. After that, being lost, I posted my question. 
Now, I think, at the time, there was some kind of a glitch either on the page, or on the server, or on my computer.
Nevertheless, my thanks to all who responded to my question!
Ilya Zeldes
North Fort Myers, FL

New Partnership between JewishGen and Yad Vashem #JewishGenUpdates

Avraham Groll

Yad Vashem Partners with the Museum of Jewish Heritage and JewishGen to Expand Access to Yad Vashem's “Pages of Testimony” and the 4,800,000 names commemorated in the Central Database of Shoah Victims’ Names

Genealogy researchers on JewishGen can now tap into Yad Vashem’s collection of Pages of Testimony memorializing family and friends lost in the Holocaust

11 January 2022

The Museum of Jewish Heritage – A Living Memorial to the Holocaust and its affiliate JewishGen have announced a new partnership with Yad Vashem, the World Holocaust Remembrance Center, whereby researchers will be able to access Yad Vashem’s Pages of Testimony data as part of a genealogical search on the JewishGen website – the largest online Jewish genealogy resource of its kind, which includes a Holocaust collection of nearly 3.8 million records. 

Museum of Jewish Heritage President and CEO Jack Kliger says:

“By making available these precious records via JewishGen, the broader Jewish community can more easily research names of family and friends who were murdered during the Holocaust. The agreement facilitates access to the resources of our Museum and Yad Vashem, two of the most prestigious Holocaust memorial institutions in the world.”

Yad Vashem Chairman Dani Dayan states:

"Yad Vashem's Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names brings the millions of faceless victims into the light and returns to them their identity, so the world can remember. This is part of Yad Vashem's mission to gather all forms of documentation from the Holocaust, including the collection of names of our brethren who were murdered during the Shoah. We owe it to them to know that they lived, what they looked like, what they dreamed about and at the very least – what their name was."

Since the 1950s, Yad Vashem has collected "Pages of Testimony," in which members of the public memorialize family members and friends who were murdered during the Holocaust. In many cases, these Pages – that comprise the names, biographical details and if possible, photographs – might contain the only evidence of what happened to their loved ones.

Dr. Alexander Avram, Director of Yad Vashem’s Hall of Names, observes:

"More than one million Holocaust victims have yet to be memorialized at Yad Vashem. It is our expectation that by widening the exposure of our endeavor through JewishGen, the genealogical community will be able to play an important role in helping us add a large number of Pages of Testimony in the years to come.”

JewishGen Executive Director Avraham Groll notes:

“Researchers will now be able to retrieve Pages of Testimony data through a direct search within JewishGen. This common access to data from both institutions will directly benefit researchers by increasing the likelihood that they will find useful information. Without this new agreement, many Jewish genealogists may otherwise not have been aware of this vital resource.”

Yad Vashem has been running their Names Collection endeavor for over six decades, with the aim of restoring the personal identities and recording the brief life stories of the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis and their accomplices. The names documented in Yad Vashem’s Central Database of Shoah Victims’ Names are sourced from many different sources, including Pages of Testimony. To date Yad Vashem has gathered some 2,700,000 Pages of Testimony. The Names Database currently commemorates over 4,800,000 Jewish men, women and children who were murdered in the Holocaust.

The records can be freely accessed via the JewishGen Holocaust database (

About the Museum of Jewish Heritage – A Living Memorial to the Holocaust

The Museum of Jewish Heritage – A Living Memorial to the Holocaust is New York’s contribution to the global responsibility to never forget. The Museum is committed to the crucial mission of educating diverse visitors about Jewish life before, during and after the Holocaust. The third largest Holocaust museum in the world and the second largest in North America, the Museum of Jewish Heritage anchors the southernmost tip of Manhattan, completing the cultural and educational landscape it shares with the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island.

The Museum receives general operating support from the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs and New York State Council on the Arts. 

For more information, visit

About JewishGen

JewishGen was founded in 1987 and serves as the global home for Jewish genealogy. Featuring unparalleled access to more than 30 million records, it offers unique search tools, along with opportunities for researchers to connect with others who share similar interests. There is no charge to access JewishGen’s resources.

JewishGen is an affiliate of the Museum of Jewish Heritage – A Living Memorial to the Holocaust. 

For more information, visit:

About Yad Vashem

Yad Vashem, the World Holocaust Remembrance Center, was established by the Israeli Knesset (Parliament) in 1953. As the world's largest and preeminent Holocaust institution, Yad Vashem's extensive collections of Holocaust-era artifacts, documentation and artworks serve as the foundation for its research, commemorative and educational activities both on the Mount of Remembrance in Jerusalem and digitally worldwide. Yad Vashem's educational method integrates a multigenerational and interdisciplinary approach to telling the story of the Holocaust as a unique and unprecedented event perpetrated against the Jewish people, and as a cataclysmic event with universal significance. For more information, visit us at

Re: Searching for connections to surname HOLZAPFEL #names

David W. Perle

I’m not really of much help, but I wonder if you’ve become familiar with musician Peter Holsapple, whose name I know from having worked with R.E.M. for a while.

David W. Perle

Re: Geographical location of Lumsden/Lumsen Poland #poland #general

Gillian Cook

Thanks for the Canadian info but I dont think that this can be correct for my grandparents as if they came from there, they would have had to have gone there from Poland and then back to England which I feel would have been unlikely at that time (but maybe not impossible :))
Any idea where I could search to find an entry point to Britain for these grandparents and their first child. They lived in London at the time of the 1891 census and continued to live there until their deaths.

Gillian Cook 

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia


Does anyone know if any 19th century records survive from the town of Dubrovytsia?
Rob Klegon
Chicago, IL USA

Lithuania/Latvia and South Africa #southafrica #general #lithuania

David Cherson

I have had a question that has been 'gnawing' at me for some time.  It seems to me that most of the Jews who got affidavits (or the South African equivalent) to emigrate to South Africa came from Lithuania (and Latvia?).  Was South Africa the only country to which emigration was possible from Lithuania?  Thank you.

David Cherson

Re: Translation of Death Announcement -- German #translation


The announcement runs as follows :

This is the only announcement 

Deeply shaken I am giving the sad news, on my behalf as well as on behalf of my wife and my so, of the demise of so beloved son, resp. brother, Sir

Frit Werner
Lieutenant (res.)

who after short illness went to an appeasing rewt. 
We are mourning in the deceased person a son of rare kindness with exceptional traits of character. 

Burial of the unforgettable departed person takes place on Monday May 7th 1917 at 10:30 AM at the Central Cemetery from the Ceremony Hall to the family crypt. 

Gottlieb Werner, Cäcilie Werner.     Leo Werner 
Parents.                                          Acrive First Lieutenant, brother

It is asked to refrain from flowers and visits of condolence 
Laurent Kassel

ViewMate translation request - Russian #translation

Dror Bereznitsky


I've posted two vital records in Russian for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address:

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.
Dror Bereznitsky

Viewmate translation request--Russian. #translation #russia



I've posted an image of two envelopes sent in the 1960s or 1970s from the USSR to relatives in California.  I need a translation of the return address for each envelope--the address of the sender not the receiver.  It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page

Thank you!
Thank you very much.
Sharon Fingold

Re: Where is the SSDI? #usa

Linda Higgins

This is the SSDI on Family Search:  familysearch.orgsearch/collections/1202535

Linda Gordon Higgins
Spring, TX

"Navigating Your Jewish DNA Results” webinar by Adina Newman for the JGS of Illinois on Sunday, Jan. 23, 2022 #announcements #jgs-iajgs

Martin Fischer

Adina Newman to explain how to interpret Jewish DNA test results for Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois on Jan. 23 

“Navigating Your Jewish DNA Results” will be the topic of a presentation by genealogist Adina Newman for the Sunday, Jan. 23, 2022, virtual meeting of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois at 2 p.m. CST. Register/RSVP to receive the Zoom link at

This online presentation, which will be free and open to the public, will focus on interpreting so-called “Jewish DNA” results from the major commercial testing companies (i.e., Ancestry, 23andMe, Family Tree DNA, and MyHeritage), with primary focus on Ashkenazi Jewish heritage. The speaker will dig into common beliefs and misconceptions related to interpreting these results and provide context and strategies to maximize successful research.  

Topics will include ethnicity estimates, tools to understand and locate DNA matches, nuances found at each testing company, and strategies to tackle endogamy. Although not required, familiarity with navigating the various DNA testing sites and viewing DNA matches is recommended. 

Adina Newman, EdD, is the owner of My Family Genie, where she assists clients with their research and blogs about her own family history. Her main interests are in Jewish genealogy, genetic genealogy, and New England. She has a doctorate in educational leadership and a certificate in genealogical research from Boston University.  

She volunteers as a Jewish genetic genealogy Facebook group moderator, social media coordinator for NextGen Genealogy Network, and a discussion leader for ProGen, a self-study group for aspiring and professional genealogists. She was also a 2020 recipient of the AncestryProGenealogists scholarship. She presented four talks for the 2021 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois is a non-profit organization dedicated to helping members collect, preserve, and perpetuate the records and history of their ancestors. JGSI is a resource for the worldwide Jewish community to research their Chicago-area roots. The JGSI motto is “Members Helping Members Since 1981.” The group has more than 300 members and is affiliated with the International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies

JGSI members have access to useful and informative online family history research resources, including a members’ forum, more than 65 video recordings of past speakers’ presentations, monthly JGSI E-News, quarterly Morasha JGSI newsletter, and much more

Members as well as non-members can look for their ancestors on the free searchable JGSI Jewish Chicago Database

Martin Fischer
Vice President-Publicity
Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois

JGSI website:

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