Looking for KONIGSBERG family, Hungary, 1880s/1890s #hungary

Jake Jacobs

My great-grandmother was orphaned young, and her son (my grandfather) told us his mother (and her sister) were raised by KONIGSBERG neni (Aunt Konigsberg).  I haven't had any luck finding a Konigsberg family near where she lived, in OLASZLISZKA, HUNGARY. My g'grandmother was Rosa Feuerlicht. Her sister was Sarolta Feuerlicht. Would appreciate any thoughts!

Diane Jacobs
Austin, Texas

Re: Location and approximate date of 2 photos #photographs

JoAnne Goldberg

My family lived in Kansas City in the 1920s and 1930s and I grew up
there. Those photos do not look like Kansas City to me although they
could be St Joseph, which had a significant Jewish population. That
said, I can't read most names and numbers because of the image resolution.
JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535


Jews in Ethiopia in late 1700s #general

Rochelle Gershenow

I was told that my family lived in Ethiopia in the late 1700s to early 1800s.  They were a scholarly and religious family who had to leave Ethiopia because of religious discrimination.  I don’t know where they went at that point but ended up in Ukraine from which they emigrated in the early 1900s.  Does anyone have information on what brought Ashkenazi Jews to Ethiopia at that time?


Rochelle Gershenow

Re: British census terms #unitedkingdom

David Harrison <djh_119@...>

Dear Diane and John
I do not know what the difference was in 1891 but I do know the difference today which has seemed unchanged for the last 70 years of my life.  I am now aged 90. We have through this period always had the term "Board and Lodging".
The implication is simple that lodging is that you have the use of the building with furniture.  Whilst board includes the supply of food and possibly washing of bedding and clothing.  Might I suggest that the ages should also be of use, and could show that lodgers were (all) of working age whilst boarders were children, aged or maybe infirm.  In between these two comes bed and breakfast where you are provided with furniture and cleaning and just the one meal and get the other food from restaurants or cook it yourself.  Another possibility might be that a Lodger is a family member from out of town being aided whilst away from home though Boarders are there and pay as a significant part of the family income of the family owning the premises.  The Lodger may be fed at work or just be using that place as a base for working in a wide area and not wish to have to return for a meal.   Certainly on walking holidays you find and use these differences for difference needs of accommodation.
David Harrison
Birmingham, England,

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Sent: 11 January 2022 16:02
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Subject: Re: [] British census terms #unitedkingdom
Perhaps one got bed and food while the other just had a bed.

Diane Jacobs

On Jan 11, 2022, at 10:22 AM, John Anderson <counselor12721@...> wrote:

What might be the difference between these terms in the 1891 English census (London)--LODGER and BOARDER? This person's household had 3 lodgers and 2 boarders.

John Anderson,
Orlando, FL

Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

translation of short note from yiddish #translation #yiddish

Don Libes

I'm interested in translation of the attached note to my mother from her grandfather, Hertz Kalish. My mother believes it might be some sort of congratulatory note on her graduation. 

Don Libes

Don Libes
Potomac, Maryland

Revisionist list needed to find Platzman siblings in Pietrzykowice or Zaleszcyki #galicia #ukraine #poland

Linda Strauss

According to their ship manifests, my grandfather: Charles Platzman was
born in Pietrzykowice (immigrated in 1911) and his older brother, David
was born in Zaleszyki (immigrated in 1908). My mother once told me that
they had twin brothers over in Europe. I'd like to find their siblings'
names so that it may help me with DNA cousins for whom we have not yet
found any connection. I thought that perhaps a revisionist list would
list everyone.

Linda Strauss

Re: Location and approximate date of 2 photos #photographs

Jx. Gx.


I think you made some astute observations about the two images.  My sense is these two images are not NYC, but are somewhere in the mid-west and likely either St. Louis or KC as you surmise. If you examine old images of NYC you will note the lamp post in that city are of an entirely different design than the one shown in the photo of your grandmother.  Interestingly, a few of those old-style lamp posts are still around in NYC. Additionally, the building architecture has a mid-west appearance. If you are able to adjust the contrast in the two images you might be able to discern additional signage information on the buildings. The signage is key to finding the information you are seeking. With the information that you already have plus anything else you might be able to glean, look up the store names in city directories for St. Louis and KC. A translation of the Hebrew would be a promising additional lead. neighborhood. With the use of the directories your might be able to nail down the exact location and narrow down the date of these images. I would date these images to somewhere between the mid and late 1920s. The truck in photo 2 is probably the first 5 years of the 1920s.  The sedan with the trunk attached to the rear bumper is probably a little newer. The hats that everyone is wearing and your grandmother's dress all add up to the 1920s.

I hope this helps.

Jeffrey Gee

Re: Location and approximate date of 2 photos #photographs

Erika Gottfried

Try looking up the names of the businesses and their addresses where known in city directories from the 1930s for Kansas City (both for KC, Kansas and KC, Missouri) and St. Louis and for Brooklyn (if there's a separate directory for it from that era, if not then for New York City).  That should pinpoint it.  You can get access online to a multitude of city directories through; I imagine that other genealogy websites may also contain city directories.

I agree that "pop" argues for not NYC -- that word still hasn't made the journey east of the Mississippi!

Erika Gottfried
Teaneck, New Jersey

Re: Lithuania/Latvia and South Africa #southafrica #general #lithuania

Ed Goldberg

At the beginning of the 20th century there were no restrictions on countries of origin emigrating to South Africa and Jews arrived from all countries. The Union Castle Line of ships had the contract to carry mail from Southamton, England to Cape Town and back but needed more income and so expanded into passenger service. They decided to send agents throughout Latvia and Lithuania to sell tickets to Jews in the cities and shtetls. Often one member of a family would buy a ticket, make some money in South Africa and then send money back through these agents so that the rest of their families could get tickets.
Ed Goldberg
Vancouver, Canada

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

David R. Brill

Response to Jim Gutterman about Tuchin - All the Tuchin revision lists are online on the Tuchin KehilaLinks page This includes years not yet uploaded to the Ukraine database (1816-1817). Also various lists from the Polish period that you may find useful for the 20th century. Unfortunately there are no  birth/marriage records known to have survived for Tuchin.

Response to Sammy Iger and others about Rovno: All of the 1851 revision list for Rovno town (4581 records total) has been translated. It has been submitted to the Ukraine database but not uploaded yet. Please contact me for more information. I'm afraid I don't see the surname IGER or variants in that list.

David R. Brill
Cherry Hill, NJ

Ordering books from Avotaynu #general


Does anyone know how to order a book from Avotaynu without using its website? Because Avotaynu doesn't use https/encryption, I'm reluctant to order on its website.The number on Avotaynu's website for telephone orders is inoperative, no one has responded to messages I've sent using its online "contact us" tool, and there is no reference on the website to ordering by mail/check. Thanks.

David Solomon

Re: Lithuania/Latvia and South Africa #southafrica #general #lithuania


I can't answer that question exactly, but among my ancestors--my father's family all came from Lithuania--many went to South Africa but some came to the US as well. It seems to be a bigger group in South Africa (where they spell they family name "Judelman"), but I don't know of any impediment keeping them from going elsewhere. I would also like to know--was it more expedient to immigrate to SA?

Rachel Youdelman

Re: British census terms #unitedkingdom

Diane Jacobs

Perhaps one got bed and food while the other just had a bed.

Diane Jacobs

On Jan 11, 2022, at 10:22 AM, John Anderson <counselor12721@...> wrote:

What might be the difference between these terms in the 1891 English census (London)--LODGER and BOARDER? This person's household had 3 lodgers and 2 boarders.

John Anderson,
Orlando, FL

Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: Where is the SSDI? #usa

Sarah L Meyer

While to access all of Ancestry's records and databases, a subscription is required, some of Ancestry's databases are free.  Don't dismiss Ancestry until you have seen a padlock on the data.  I have a subscription so I can't tell if it is or is not free.  The 1940 census is free.  There is however a list of free collections on Ancestry.
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

British census terms #unitedkingdom

John Anderson

What might be the difference between these terms in the 1891 English census (London)--LODGER and BOARDER? This person's household had 3 lodgers and 2 boarders.

John Anderson,
Orlando, FL

JGSColorado presents Preserving Holocaust History: Collecting Oral Testimonies and Researching Family Fates with experts from the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum #announcements #jgs-iajgs #events

Ellen Beller

Preserving Holocaust History: Collecting Oral Testimonies and Researching Family Fates

With experts from the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum

Jo-Ellyn Decker, Research and Reference Librarian, National Institute for Holocaust Documentation. U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum

Ina Navazelskis, Oral Historian, National Institute for Holocaust Documentation. U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum


Jaime Monllor, International Outreach Officer, National Institute for Holocaust Documentation. U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum

Join us for a live digital program featuring representatives from the National Institute for Holocaust Documentation at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum who collect, preserve, and make accessible to the public the vast collection of record on the Holocaust.  The Museum has collected and produced over 25,000 interviews, making it one of the largest Holocaust-related oral histories collections in the world.  In addition, it has thousands of collections and millions of pages of searchable material from the International Tracing Service Digital Archive from the Arolsen Archives.  Learn how the Museum continues producing oral history interviews despite the pandemic and hear about the meticulous research process offered -- relevant for Holocaust survivors, their families, and others wishing to discover more about the fate of those persecuted.

Sunday January 23, 2022 

10:00 AM To 12:00 PM Mountain Time

9:30 AM to 10:00 AM Schmear, Schmooze, and Share

Program starts promptly at 10 AM

On Zoom  

Speakers’ bios:

Jo-Ellyn Decker is currently a Research and Reference Librarian in the Holocaust Survivor and Victims Resource Center.  In this role she conducts research using Museum collections, especially the International Tracing Service (ITS) collection from the Arolsen Archives, in order to trace the paths of persecutions related to individuals, Jewish or non-Jewish, persecuted, or discriminated against due to the racial, religious, ethnic, social, and political policies of the Nazis and their collaborators between 1933 and 1945, this includes, inmates of concentration camps, ghettos, and prisons as well as people who were in hiding or displaced.  Ms. Decker earned a BA in Interdisciplinary Studies: Appreciation, Promotion, and Management of Historical and Cultural Antiquities from Bethany College, WV, in 2006 with minors in History and in German. She holds a master’s degree in Library and Information Science (M.L.I.S.) from Kent State University in Ohio.  Ms. Decker began her career at the Museum in 2008. 

Ina Navazelskis is a journalist of 35 years’ experience specializing in East European affairs and 20th century history. Since 2001, she has been on staff at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum’s Oral History Branch. In that time, she has conducted almost 400 in-depth video interviews with Holocaust survivors, witnesses and liberators from over a dozen countries in three languages: English, German and Lithuanian. She has written extensively about the Baltic States in the context of World War II and its aftermath. Her work has appeared in publications such as Newsday, the Washington Post, the Christian Science Monitor, St. Petersburg Times, Chicago Tribune, Philadelphia Inquirer, Transitions Magazine, Index on Censorship, the German language newspapers Die Zeit and Sueddeutsche Zeitung, as well as the Lithuanian language publications Kauno Dienos and Ieva.  She is also the author of Fragments and Fissures:  Dispatches from Vilnius 1990-1991 (in Lithuanian: Versus Aureus, Vilnius, 2012); Leonid Brezhnev (in English: Chelsea House Publishers; New York, 1987); and Alexander Dubcek (in English: Chelsea House Publishers; New York, 1990).  She was a Fellow at the Woodrow Wilson Center in 2009.

Jaime J. Monllor currently is the International Outreach Officer at the National Institute for Holocaust Documentation of U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, where he oversees a range of international activities under the Museum’s Rescue the Evidence Initiative.  He provides leadership and direction for the development and operation of the outreach program, analyzes its needs, and defines policies, procedures and guidelines for its execution.  He joined the Museum in 1996 to manage the visiting scholar and academic scholarly presentation programs at the Center for Advanced Holocaust Studies.   He also served as a Program Producer for the Museum’s Educational and Public Programs Division, producing a variety of programs that examined the Holocaust and contemporary genocides.  Prior to joining the Museum, he worked at the National Endowment for the Arts’ Office of Communications.  Jaime earned a M.A. in Language and Foreign Studies / Latin American Studies, American University, Washington, DC, and a B.A. in Communications, University of the Sacred Heart, San Juan, PR.
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Re: Searching for 2 Abramowitz Brothers Who Emigrated to South Africa from Kurland, Latvia #southafrica



I've had good results with two South African websites:

SA Jewish Rootsbank, the South African Jewish Database
National Archives of South Africa

FamilySearch has some South African records, but I'd recommend starting with these two websites.  Many Jews emigrated to South Africa from Latvia and Lithuania.  


Ellen Morosoff Pemrick 
Saratoga County, NY


Re: Where is the SSDI? #usa

Ilya Zeldes

Several days ago, I posted this question to the group and got many suggestions. Since in my original post I did not explain why I was asking, I'd like to do it now.
On the  Social Security Death Records page, you have to select a search engine before you may search. There are 5 options: Ancestry and Genealogy Bank require a subscription (which I don't have), while Death Master File, FamilySearch, and MyHeritage are free. 
I tried FamilySearch first, but got an error message "oops, something went wrong". Then I tried the Death Master File and got a note saying that it's hosted by JewishGen. After that, being lost, I posted my question. 
Now, I think, at the time, there was some kind of a glitch either on the page, or on the server, or on my computer.
Nevertheless, my thanks to all who responded to my question!
Ilya Zeldes
North Fort Myers, FL

New Partnership between JewishGen and Yad Vashem #JewishGenUpdates

Avraham Groll

Yad Vashem Partners with the Museum of Jewish Heritage and JewishGen to Expand Access to Yad Vashem's “Pages of Testimony” and the 4,800,000 names commemorated in the Central Database of Shoah Victims’ Names

Genealogy researchers on JewishGen can now tap into Yad Vashem’s collection of Pages of Testimony memorializing family and friends lost in the Holocaust

11 January 2022

The Museum of Jewish Heritage – A Living Memorial to the Holocaust and its affiliate JewishGen have announced a new partnership with Yad Vashem, the World Holocaust Remembrance Center, whereby researchers will be able to access Yad Vashem’s Pages of Testimony data as part of a genealogical search on the JewishGen website – the largest online Jewish genealogy resource of its kind, which includes a Holocaust collection of nearly 3.8 million records. 

Museum of Jewish Heritage President and CEO Jack Kliger says:

“By making available these precious records via JewishGen, the broader Jewish community can more easily research names of family and friends who were murdered during the Holocaust. The agreement facilitates access to the resources of our Museum and Yad Vashem, two of the most prestigious Holocaust memorial institutions in the world.”

Yad Vashem Chairman Dani Dayan states:

"Yad Vashem's Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names brings the millions of faceless victims into the light and returns to them their identity, so the world can remember. This is part of Yad Vashem's mission to gather all forms of documentation from the Holocaust, including the collection of names of our brethren who were murdered during the Shoah. We owe it to them to know that they lived, what they looked like, what they dreamed about and at the very least – what their name was."

Since the 1950s, Yad Vashem has collected "Pages of Testimony," in which members of the public memorialize family members and friends who were murdered during the Holocaust. In many cases, these Pages – that comprise the names, biographical details and if possible, photographs – might contain the only evidence of what happened to their loved ones.

Dr. Alexander Avram, Director of Yad Vashem’s Hall of Names, observes:

"More than one million Holocaust victims have yet to be memorialized at Yad Vashem. It is our expectation that by widening the exposure of our endeavor through JewishGen, the genealogical community will be able to play an important role in helping us add a large number of Pages of Testimony in the years to come.”

JewishGen Executive Director Avraham Groll notes:

“Researchers will now be able to retrieve Pages of Testimony data through a direct search within JewishGen. This common access to data from both institutions will directly benefit researchers by increasing the likelihood that they will find useful information. Without this new agreement, many Jewish genealogists may otherwise not have been aware of this vital resource.”

Yad Vashem has been running their Names Collection endeavor for over six decades, with the aim of restoring the personal identities and recording the brief life stories of the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis and their accomplices. The names documented in Yad Vashem’s Central Database of Shoah Victims’ Names are sourced from many different sources, including Pages of Testimony. To date Yad Vashem has gathered some 2,700,000 Pages of Testimony. The Names Database currently commemorates over 4,800,000 Jewish men, women and children who were murdered in the Holocaust.

The records can be freely accessed via the JewishGen Holocaust database (

About the Museum of Jewish Heritage – A Living Memorial to the Holocaust

The Museum of Jewish Heritage – A Living Memorial to the Holocaust is New York’s contribution to the global responsibility to never forget. The Museum is committed to the crucial mission of educating diverse visitors about Jewish life before, during and after the Holocaust. The third largest Holocaust museum in the world and the second largest in North America, the Museum of Jewish Heritage anchors the southernmost tip of Manhattan, completing the cultural and educational landscape it shares with the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island.

The Museum receives general operating support from the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs and New York State Council on the Arts. 

For more information, visit

About JewishGen

JewishGen was founded in 1987 and serves as the global home for Jewish genealogy. Featuring unparalleled access to more than 30 million records, it offers unique search tools, along with opportunities for researchers to connect with others who share similar interests. There is no charge to access JewishGen’s resources.

JewishGen is an affiliate of the Museum of Jewish Heritage – A Living Memorial to the Holocaust. 

For more information, visit:

About Yad Vashem

Yad Vashem, the World Holocaust Remembrance Center, was established by the Israeli Knesset (Parliament) in 1953. As the world's largest and preeminent Holocaust institution, Yad Vashem's extensive collections of Holocaust-era artifacts, documentation and artworks serve as the foundation for its research, commemorative and educational activities both on the Mount of Remembrance in Jerusalem and digitally worldwide. Yad Vashem's educational method integrates a multigenerational and interdisciplinary approach to telling the story of the Holocaust as a unique and unprecedented event perpetrated against the Jewish people, and as a cataclysmic event with universal significance. For more information, visit us at

Re: Searching for connections to surname HOLZAPFEL #names

David W. Perle

I’m not really of much help, but I wonder if you’ve become familiar with musician Peter Holsapple, whose name I know from having worked with R.E.M. for a while.

David W. Perle

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