Interpretation of Name in Old German Script #germany #names #records

I am trying to determine the maiden name of the mother of the bride on a marriage record for my grandfather's cousin.

Here is the excerpt of the name.  Looks to me like Hirscmann or something similar.

Any more educated interpretations would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

Vicky Furstenberg Ferraresi
Belmont, California, USA


FUERSTENBERG (Gdansk, Berlin, Shanghai), PROCHOWNIK (Bydgoszcz, Berlin, Shanghai), QUIATOWSKY (Berlin, Ujest/Ujazd)), BAUM (Gdansk), FREYSTADT (Berlin, Sweden), HEYMANN (Israel, Geneva), SCHULVALTER (Berlin, Brazil), SILBERSTEIN/SILVER (Gdansk, Chicago)

Re: Who Betrayed Anne Frank and Her Family? #holocaust

Larry Gaum

It seems rather strange that Irene Newhouse's uncle, Rabbi Wilde, while under arrest, along with his entire male congregation, had sufficient freedom to wonder around and purchase post cards.
Larry Gaum

Date of Litvak census #lithuania #records

Bob Silverstein

I am researching someone in the 1858 Litvak census.  It says he was 13 years old in the previous revision date 1858.  What was the date of the previous revision?

Bob Silverstein
Elk Grove Village, IL

Researching Kaplan (Krynki, Poland) Tzipershteyn (Logishin, Pinsk, Belarus), Friedson/Fridzon (Pinsk, Cuba, Massachusetts), Israel and Goodman (Mishnitz, Warsaw, Manchester).

Re: Translation of two typed Russian documents re: WW2 soldier deaths #translation



In Russian:

Верхний правый угол



Ексемпляр #1





По личному составу армии.

26 декабря 1944 года.


город МОСКВА

Ножепоименованный офицерский состав, погибший в боях против немецко-фашистских войск, исключается из списков Красной Армии:


1. Гвардии лейтенант ПЕТРОВ Иван Парамонович - командир взвода моторизованного взвода автоматчиков 2 Гвардейской мотострелковой бригады.

Убит в бою 18.8.44 года

1909 года рождения, беспартийный

Сестра ТЕРЁХИНА Екатерина Сергееевна -

город Москва 18, 13 проезд, дом 29, квартира 4.

Список вх. #044152


2. Гвардии младший лейтенант ЛЕРНЕР Леон Григорьевич - командир стрелкового взвода 161 гвардейского стрелкового полка 53 гвардейской стрелкобой дивизии.

Убит в бою 20.10.44 года.

1924 года рождения. Родился в С.Ш.А., город Нью-Йорк

Отец Гринблат Григирий Моисеевич

город МОСКВА, улица Горького, 10, квартира 179

Список вх. #044194


3. Гвардии лейтенант ЛУЧКОВ Константин Ильич - командир взвода 17 гвардейской танковой бригады.

Убит в бою 4.9.44 года

1922 года рождения

Мать ЛУЧКОВА Мария Алексеевна

Город Москва 81, Алексеевский студенческий городок, 1, кбартира 6.

Список вх. #044152


4. Лейтенант РОЗЕНЦВАЙК Мойсей Олькович - командир взвода 1217 стрелкового полка 367 стрелковой дивизии.

Убит в бою 20.1044 года.

1914 года рождения, член ВКП(б)

Уроженец Житомирской области Чудновского района, село Долчинское.

Жена Гостева Надежда Федоровна.

город Москва 81, 11 проезд, дом 30, квартира 7.

Список вх. #044152


Translated into English:


Upper right corner



Copy # 1





According to the personnel of the army.

December 26, 1944.

# 03929

city ​​MOSCOW

The knife-named officer who died in the battles against the Nazi troops is excluded from the lists of the Red Army:


1. Guards lieutenant PETROV Ivan Paramonovich - platoon commander of the motorized platoon of machine gunners of the 2nd Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade.

Killed in battle on August 18, 1944

Born 1909, non-partisan

Sister TEREKHINA Ekaterina Sergeevna -

city ​​of Moscow 18, 13 passage, house 29, apartment 4.

Input list # 044152


2. Guards Junior Lieutenant Leon Grigorievich LERNER - Commander of the Rifle Platoon of the 161st Guards Rifle Regiment of the 53rd Guards Rifle Division.

Killed in battle on October 20, 1944.

1924 of a birth. Born in the USA, New York

Father Greenblatt Grigory Moiseevich

MOSCOW, Gorky Street, 10, apartment 179

Input list # 044194


3. Guards lieutenant LUCHKOV Konstantin Ilyich - platoon commander of the 17th Guards Tank Brigade.

Killed in battle on September 4, 1944

Born in 1922

Mother LUCHKOVA Maria Alekseevna

City of Moscow 81, Alekseevsky campus, 1, room 6.

Input list # 044152


4. Lieutenant ROSENTSWEIK Moisey Olkovich - Commander of Platoon 1217 Rifle Regiment 367 Rifle Division.

Killed in battle on October 20, 1944.

1914 of birth, member of the CPSU (b)

A native of the Zhytomyr region of the Chudnov district, the village of Dolchinskoye.

Wife Guest Nadezhda Fedorovna.

Moscow city 81, 11 passage, house 30, apartment 7.

Input list # 044152

Translated by Michael Ryabinky
Boynton Beach, FL

Assistance Identifying a Rabbi and Gabbai from Prague Synagogue 1840s Text #austria-czech

Dave Baron

This enclosed 3 row text [blessing] in Hebrew with [commentary] provides some information about these people (Rabbi and Gabbai), perhaps connecting them to a Shul in Prague and I’m trying to connect the dots.  

Any assistance is greatly appreciated, -David 




שורה 1נעשה ממעות צדקה דבהכ"נ [=של בית הכנסת משקוט טוילסקי ע"י הגבאים


[שורה 2: ריודא [=יהודהליב [=שמו ביידיש

פורגיס עם רגבריאל בן ה"ה הרבני


שורה 3: מו"ה אנשיל פישלס ש' [=שנתתר"כ [=בשנת 1859] לפ"ק




יהודה ליב פורגיס / Yehuda Loew Porges / Aka: Loew pronounced Lev, Löw, Loeb, Lieb, Liv


אנשיל פישלס / Rabbi X Fishles perhaps from Boleslav?


רגבריאל בן ה"ה / Rabbi Gabriel Yehuda son of x?

David Baron
Baltimore, Maryland

Re: Translation of two typed Russian documents re: WW2 soldier deaths #translation


VM96995 is the same as VM96994, only in the different format.
Michael Ryabinky
Boynton Beach, FL

Accessing JewishGen's Maramaros vital records database #records #romania

Wendy Kalman

There is a record in JewishGen's Maramaros vital records database that I'd like to see (the listing shows identifying info for book, page & row). According to, the files have been photographed. It also says that death records for these dates often have a lot of info. But I cannot find a link on the page to see the photos so I can try and find the page I want. Am I missing something? The only links I see take me back to JewishGen's search page. Thank you.

Wendy Kalman
Acworth, GA

Re: פנינים משלחן הגר"א על התורה - Request for Scans of pages from a book by the Vilna Gaon #rabbinic #general

Avrohom Krauss

The sefer פנינים משלחן הגר"א על התורה is a compilation of Torah explanations and thoughts of the Vilna Gaon by Rabbi Dov Eliach. It was not written by the Gaon himself, but contains some material written by him and some attributed to him by others.  I searched pages 30 and 324 of my copy (Jerusalem 5757) and did not find mention of Rabbi Shmuel of Rassein. In fact, there is no footnote at all on p. 324. Perhaps there is a different printing or another volume of this work.
Avrohom Krauss
Kiryat Yearim (Telz-Stone) ISRAEL
Researching: KRAUS, GOTTFRIED, MONAT from PRZEMYSL (Galicia) Poland/ KINSTLICH, GREENBERG, SCHMIDT from Tarnobrzeg, Rozwadow, Ulanow (Galicia) Poland
KLOTZ from Telsiai, Lithuania/ ROGOZIN, KAPLOWITZ, from Vyazyn, Ilya, Vilyayka, Belarus /LAPIDUS, SOKOLSKY, ROGOZIN, Maladzyechna, Belarus

JGSIG Meet FEB 8 - How to Be A Successful Genealogist!? #jgs-iajgs #announcements #events #education #dna

Arthur Sissman


JGSIG Fed Meeting - Tues Feb 8 2022  10-11:30 am EST  (TimeConverter -



Hi All,


February Topic:  How to set up to be a successful and cooperative genealogist, just like you would want everyone else to do!  Or “do for yourself, as you would have others do for you.”

Various websites (Ancestry for sure) will be visited and a handout sent to those who attend the meeting.


If you have any specific questions related to websites and manipulation, please send them.  


Don’t forget to signup for Workshops. The next 2 workshops seeking attendees are:


  • MyHeritageDNA1 (Wed Feb 23   1-4pm EST for persons who have Never taken one of Arthur’s workshops)
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  • When the attendee list exceeds 15 people in each workshop a Wait List will start.  
  • Email Arthur that you are interested, and he can send added info to help you decide.
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Arthur Sissman
Naples FL

Jewish Genealogy SIG of Collier/Lee Co FL


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Researching: ZISMAN/ZYSMAN/ZUSMAN (Belarus); TELESHEVSKY (Belarus); CHANUTIN, (W. Russia), BRODY, (Hungary); FRIEDMAN, (Hungary); GRAUBARD, (Romania/Ukraine)




Re: Prezlau=Przeclaw? #hungary

Alan Reische

Thanks Alex and Odeda.

Rzeszow was the place I started many years ago. I was in touch with a genealogist there who could find no evidence of a family with my exact spelling, which is AFAIK unique amongst the Jewish community. (There are of course a multitude of variant spellings - Reich, Reisch etc. and the precise spelling is found amongst non-Jews.)

Oddly, my ggf's name on his death certificate is shown as 'Lishe'. The information for that likely came from a gg/uncle, with whom he lived when he died. While that might have been an overlooked clerical error at a difficult time, it's odd that it wasn't corrected if wrong. Using inference, which is all we have, and the recurrence of the name 'Lishe' or 'Lische' in other records, led me to search Hamburg under that identity. In turn, I found the 1880 passenger lists which were correct for dob's and - significantly - for his occupation as schneider/tailor, which is what he did once he arrived here.

My ggm's headstone identifies Przeclaw as the locus for her family, thanks to helpful translations I received here some years ago. That more or less corresponded to the place of residence on the manifest ('Prezlau, Osterreich'), once the German towns were screened out. The residence name on the manifest - which I've seen - is written in difficult handwriting but clearly enough seems to be Prezlau, Osterreich.

The Lische name with that spelling also occurs in the Debica/Dembitz records and is prominent (sadly) in Holocaust Museum records. I have found Lische family photos there, and while there are no immediate family resemblances. we're viewing them from 150+/- years later. Because the two communities are so close - 6 miles more or less - it strikes me as likely that the two groups were connected.

To Odeda's questions, I have seen the original manifest and while it's not easy, this particular data seemed clear enough. I really don't know how to answer the other questions at this date, as I have no family recollections to look to. I agree, Prezclaw was a tiny place, but it is specifically tagged as Austro-Hungarian, which filters out a lot of alternatives.

This rabbit hole is all I have at the moment, but the inferences seem strong enough to warrant pursuing them.

Alan Reische
Manchester NH

Researching Reische, Lische, Lishe, Przeclaw, Debica, Rzeszow.

Translation help from Russian, please--four words #belarus #translation

David Gordon

As the note in Viewmate indicates, I have a short line in Russian I would like to have translated--four words.  I believe the last word identifies the family; it appears to be FRUCHTBEIM or FRUCHTBEIN .  My great-grandfather's sister, Rifka HURWITZ, married Abraham FRUCHTBAUM (there is a question about the exact name and spelling) in 1887.  They both died in the Holocaust in 1941, although at least one of their sons, Jacob FRUCHTBAUM, came to the United States.  I am most grateful in advance for any assistance.  Thank you.
David Gordon
Evanston, Illinois
GORDON: Butrimantz; Eisiskes, Daukniunai; HORWITZ: Smolevichi, Lapichi;
GEBALOVITCH: Borisov, DRAZIN: Bobruisk; BENENSON: Borisov;

Looking for a branch of my family from Iasi #romania #general

Shimy Karni


I found a testemony in Yad va Shem about the brother of my GF's family (attached by).
My GF testified that Abraham Slomo was murded in the Iasi trains (1941).
Abraham was his father's name and it became his family name.
We do not find what happened to his wife, Bracha,  and one of his children.
About the second child, Pesia,  there is a testemony that she was killed in Aushwitz.
I will be happy to find if they servived or what happened with them.

Best Regards,
Shimi Karni,Israel

Re: Who Betrayed Anne Frank and Her Family? #holocaust

Irene Newhouse

Nicole Heymanns has stated that she finds a note tossed out a train window reaching its destination farfetched. WELL, my great uncle Rabbi Georg Wilde was arrested, along with all the men of his congregation in Magdeburg on Reichspogromnacht. While the train was stopped at various railway stations, he managed to buy several postcards, but was unable to get stamps. So he addressed them all to his wife, instructing her to contact the Chief Rabbi of Great Britain on his behalf. He tossed these out the window, one by one, as the train passed through built-up areas. And yes, one DID get picked up, stamped, & sent his wife. You can read the story in a written testimony he provided the Wiener Library (subject of a digest from LitvakSig today.) I can't seem to find the item in the Wiener Library catalog, but a different part of Wilde's testimony is quoted in footnote 97, which give the library's call number for the document:"rabbi+georg+wilde"&source=bl&ots=0tcZ3LGV2S&sig=ACfU3U0SIlQpBd7-wdd8sJnWHGB_W3wXfQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiTpeys9cn1AhWcJUQIHTI1By4Q6AF6BAgTEAM#v=onepage&q="rabbi%20georg%20wilde"&f=false 
Kihei Hawaii USA

Request translation German to English on Viewmate #germany #translation

Roger Kingsley

Assistance deciphering German handwriting through transcription or translation will be greatly appreciated. Following are the two sides of the same postcard written in a concentration camp in France:

Thank you,
Roger P. Kingsley

Request translation German to English on ViewMate #germany #translation

Roger Kingsley

Transcription or translation of German handwriting will be greatly appreciated. Following are two sides of the same postcard written in a concentration camp in France.

Thank you,
Roger P. Kingsley

Re: Prezlau=Przeclaw? #hungary

Odeda Zlotnick

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 05:29 PM, Alan Reische wrote:
Does 'Prezlau' strike members as a likely match for Przeclaw or am I heading down a rabbit hole?
Did you see the handwritten manifest with your own eyes?
Are you sure the Hamburg agent was not sloppy or distracted and possibly dropped a letter when writing?
Did you take into account that the "ts" sound in German is written with a "z", whilst in Polish it's written with a "z"?
Do you know if the agent heard the name from a speaker, or copied it from a document? Accent may have affected his spelling, or noise his hearing.
Given the number of Jew in Przeclaw in 1880 (all of 299) it can't have been a very large, famous know place that the agent if Hamburg would necessarily identify and spell correctly.

I don't think there are any hard and fast rules to be followed here, but rather hypotheses, to be generated and left as "maybe" till you have further data. You can't really avoid dropping into rabbit holes every now and then - and eventually either come out saying "Wow, that was gold mine" or "Wow. that was some rabbit hole! I'll leave a sign there to remind me".

Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.

German Passports #germany #general

karen mhyre

It is complicated to write this email without identifying our names but I am not sure if I should do so or not.  Our father left Germany in January 1939 traveling by ship to New York City by ship.  He spent a few months in New York working on his English.  He then moved to Augusta, Georgia  where he sold used cars.  He loved fast cars!  From  there he moved to New Orleans  and was repeating  an internship at a city hospital.  

Dad was half Jewish.  His father,  a physician  and medical researcher in Gottingen, Germany enlisted in the German Army.  Dad's  father  was killed when he fell from a horse  in October 1914 at the very beginning of WWI.  His mother, also a physician, but not Jewish,  returned to finish medical school.  Grandmother   left our father to be cared for  with her parents,  as  he was only almost two years old.      While in medical school,  she met and married our step grandfather, also not Jewish.   

In the 1930's, this  stepfather was a well known surgeon and academic physician in a major academic medical center in a  major city in  Eastern  Germany.  He was able to arrange our fathers medical school course work and rotations in different locations in Europe, and thus putting off or protecting him from the Nazi's. Dad was able to  complete   his studies for his medical degree.  

Just after Christmas of 1938 our grandmother drove with him to Hannover, Germany   where  he  had passage on a transport ship to America.

On December 7, 1941 our father was assigned  overnight and worked  on Obstetrics.  The next morning, December 8th, he was walking across the street with his professor discussing the cases from the overnight shift.  His plan that morning  was to  enlist  in the  United States Armed Forces.   As  they walked out of the hospital  to  the food service center, they were approached by 2 FBI agents who arrested Dad as an enemy alien.  Our father  was transported by train to internment camps,  first in Oklahoma,  and then on to Fort Lincoln Internment Camp near Bismark,  North Dakota.  Someone had reported our father to the FBI for being German!  He was on some governmnet watch list.  We believe this was because he was a great communicator and spent much of his time trying to educate those American's who would listen, to the perils of the then current political climate in Germany.   Our father spent the following 3 + years in this camp.  He was able to assist in the camp in some medical assignments.  Near the end of the war,  he was  paroled  to the ND State Tuberculosis Sanitarium where they were desperate for physicians to care for the large TB Population.

The complete irony of the story is that our  father was forced to leave Germany because he was half  Jewish, and then was a prisoner of war as a German enemy of the United States.  

Our mother grew up in a neighboring town, had recently completed Nursing School and finished her first job with the Air Force Training Program in Grand Forks, ND.  As the war was winding down, and her job finished, she  returned home and applied for and went to work at "the San" about the same time Dad started work there.  Their work identity numbers only one number apart, as they were the last two employees hired  that week!  They courted, married, had 5 kids and eventually our father became  Superentendent  of the Institution. 

With his large family and now  at age 46, we moved  to  Minneapolis  where he trained as a Radiologist with the VA Hospital and University of Minnesota.   Our family moved several times following his training.  First to Seattle where he spent two years as head of Radiology at the VA hospital while the physician who he replaced was on sabbatical  in Italy.   From there we moved to Minnesota where we lived and he practiced until his passing in 1975 at the age of 63.  He did return to Germany to visit his Mother and 4 half siblings until after the passing of the step grandfather.

The long story I have shared brings me to our current status.   Our family now consists of 23 people.   3 daughters, 2 sons, plus 2 spouses and 7 grandchildren.  ( 3) of the the grandchildren married have (so 3 additional spouses) and they have 6 great grandchildren between them.   I have concerns in the current political climate, that at some point in the next 3 or so years we may find the need to leave the United States.  I have read recently that we are eligible for German citizenship.  Any help or advise regarding this process would be appreciated.    

I joined the JewishGen web site in the process of searching for our father's family.  I have been successful in identifying his 3 aunts, their spouses and two dependents.  From what I can find,  none of his family perished in the Holocaust. The paternal siblings (3 great aunts) and great grandparents emigrated to England and New York and Philadelphia before WWII.   I may have located one adult descendent of one of the aunts who lived most  her adult life in England. I received one note from this gentleman, but since I responded, I have not had further response.  

I am hoping to locate and connect  with any in common descendants.   

Karen Loeb Mhyre

Program: Once We Were Slaves with Author Laura Leibman - Jews of Color in Early America #announcements #events #jgs-iajgs


The Jewish Genealogical Society of Georgia, Atlanta Jews of Color Council, and The Breman Museum
Professor Laura Leibman speaking about her book -
Once We Were Slaves: The Extraordinary Journey of a Multiracial Jewish Family.

Sunday, January 30, 2022
2:00 pm Eastern Time
Zoom Event

While visiting the American Jewish Historical Society Archives, Dr. Leibman found two eighteenth century ivory miniatures painted in watercolor. They were portraits of the ancestors of a wealthy Jewish heiress who donated them to the archives. Leibman traced the family back through New York, Philadelphia, London, Suriname and Barbados. But instead of the expected Sephardic ancestry, discovered a surprisingly complex and multiracial family.

Join us for this free Zoom event to learn more about the history, the records, and the journeys of this racially mixed Jewish family.

Preregistration is required!

Peggy Mosinger Freedman
Atlanta, Georgia

Re: Identify military uniform and medals #photographs #general #germany

Helen Gottesman


Helen Gottesman

Boca Raton, Florida

Searching Schwarz Roding Germany
Dobrin,Davidsohn,Segall. Lublinski in Bukofzer Tuchel/Tuchola  Poland/West Prussia
Greenhut/Grunhut Germany, Bohemia/Czechlovakia
Bukofzer, Zempelburg, West prussia/Poland

Translation help: two 1858 Russian census documents posted on ViewMate #translation #ukraine

Lee Jaffe

I have 2  Russian census records from 1858 from Ternivka Ukraine for which I need translations.  They are on ViewMate at ...

Please respond via the form provided on the 
ViewMate image page. 

Thank you very much.

Lee David Jaffe

Surnames / Towns:  Jaffe / Suchowola, Poland ; Stein (Sztejnsapir) / Bialystok and Rajgrod, Poland ; Joroff (Jaroff, Zarov) / Chernigov, Ukraine ; Schwartz (Schwarzman?, Schwarzstein?) / ? ;  Koshkin / Snovsk, Ukraine ; Rappoport / ? ; Braun / Wizajny, Suwalki, Poland,  Ludwinowski / Wizajny, Suwalki, Poland


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