1. main@groups.jewishgen.org
  2. Messages
   Date   
Max Bruch. Who wrote the music for Kol Nidre was NOT Jewish #general

Larry Gaum
 

I have been shocked by many events over the many years of my life but nothing equals the one I felt when I discovery that Max Bruch, who wrote the music for the Kol Nidre, the most sacred of Jewish prayers, was not Jewish.
He was in fact Protestant, and born in Germany.
On many occasions, the story goes, he vehemently denied he was Jewish and in some reports was said to have uttered statements that were considered to be anti semitic.
After I regained my composure, I looked further into his name. Nothing sounder more Jewish than BRUCH, as In Baruch or Brochas.
My question to my fellow readers is:
Do you think that Bruch or his ancestors were Jewish at one time. This wouldn’t surprise me as we have see this happen before.
When I attend the next Arev Yom Kippur , I might feel a bit different. Maybe not. But I won’t be in the same frame of mind.
Best to all
Larry Gaum
Toronto
Searching for Schwiff family in Israel #israel

katgo@...
 

Looking for descendants of Leon, Jacob, or Wolf Schwiff from Poland, who emigrated to Palestine around 1900. One of these people had either home or office on Lilienblum Street in Tel Aviv in 1920. They were nephews of my great-great grandparents from Montreal (Gershon & Judith Shapira), who made Aliyah in 1913.  

--
Kathy Goldberg
KOLODZINSKY FAMILY WHITE RUSSSIA #russia

gensurgmd
 

Looking for this family from around Michalowo/Nezbodka, Krinenk, Zabludova.

 

Ronald Kaplan

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


--
Ronald I. Kaplan
Atlanta, Georgia
Re: Town in Galicia #galicia

Renee Steinig
 

The Gesher Galicia Galicia Town Locator -- a comprehensive listing of localities in Galicia -- includes no place that starts with the letters Ocst or similar.

I wonder if what looks like a C in might actually be an E. In that case, the abbreviation may be "Oest." for Oestrreich (Austria).

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
genmaven@...


On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 3:28 PM RICHARD GROSS <richardgross@...> wrote:

A certificate of marriage in New York (extract below) lists the groom and bride's place of birth as "Ocst. Gal." Gal, is likely an abbreviation for Galicia, which is consistent with other documents that say they were born in Austria. Does anyone have an idea what town Ocst., which also appears to be an abbreviation, might be? The JewishGen Communities Database and Gazetteer do not suggest any places in Galicia.
Richard Gross
Guilford, Connecticut, USA
_._,_._,_
Subj: ViewMate translation request - Polish #translation

Albert Braunstein
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM97058
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
 
Albert Braunstein
Melbourne, Australia
Re: Enquiry about Pilovich and Melnik in Vilnia #lithuania #general

Janet Furba
 

Hi,
ask the birth certificate from the Vilnia archive. 
Janet Furba,
Germany
Town in Galicia #galicia

RICHARD GROSS
 

A certificate of marriage in New York (extract below) lists the groom and bride's place of birth as "Ocst. Gal." Gal, is likely an abbreviation for Galicia, which is consistent with other documents that say they were born in Austria. Does anyone have an idea what town Ocst., which also appears to be an abbreviation, might be? The JewishGen Communities Database and Gazetteer do not suggest any places in Galicia.
Richard Gross
Guilford, Connecticut, USA
Re: Request for posting on Discussion Group #general #photographs #usa

Sherri Bobish
 

Eric,

A search for 1465 Unionport at the free site:
https://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html
finds a few employment ads in the mid 1950's for counterman at S&W Lunch.

FultonHistory is a database of digitized newspapers, heavy on NY papers, and many papers can be found there back into the 1800's.

You can try searching their names also.

Good luck in your search,
 
Sherri Bobish

Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala / Ragola, Lith.)
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne / Istryker, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD / FINK, KALTER (Daliowa/ Posada Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BERGER (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
SOKALSKY / SOLON / SOLAN / FINGER(MAN) (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / APPEL (Odessa?)
Looking for information on Lomanski family from Kobryn #belarus

Marc Lipoff
 

Hello,

I’m looking for information on the LOMANSKI family from Kobryn (now Belarus).

The surname can be spelled many ways, especially the vowels.

My 2x great grandmother was Celia/Zissel Lomanski, born July 1865 in Kobryn. Her parents were Aryeh Leib and Yeta née Cohen.

Thanks
Marc Lipoff
Re: Looking for Lincer Zlata born at Chrzanow #poland #general

Sherri Bobish
 

Michele, 

Have you checked what records are available on the JewishGen databases?  Try using the 
Unified Search.  Look for Chrzanow and surname LINCER.  A phonetic search on the surname also finds spelling LINZER.
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/all/

Good luck in your search,
 
Sherri Bobish

Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala / Ragola, Lith.)
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne / Istryker, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD / FINK, KALTER (Daliowa/ Posada Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BERGER (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
SOKALSKY / SOLON / SOLAN / FINGER(MAN) (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / APPEL (Odessa?)
Tulchyn, Vinnytsia, Ukraine #ukraine

Tammy Driver <110166tlj@...>
 

Hello all,

I'm new here, and hope that someone here can help me. I'm trying to help a cousin trace his family tree in Vinnytsia Ukraine. His nephew is convinced that the family is/was Jewish, and I'll find records in the Synagogue Records. 

I'm researching the KLASSOVSKY family, from the area of Tulchyn, Vinnytsia, Ukraine, during the time period of 1840-1890. There were 2 known sisters, Nadejda and Sophia. Their parents may have been Mikhail and Petruna Klassovsky.

Nadejda married Alexander Olshevsky. Their son  Leonid was born 5 Aug 1899. I don't know if they had any other children. Leonid changed his name to Leonard Alyson when he became a Naturalized US Citizen. He was living with Sophia in 1930, and was listed as her nephew on the census.

I'm looking for the name of Sophia's 1st husband, and their marriage date and place, as well as his date and place of birth, when and where he died, and his parents' names. He died before 1915. Sophia remarried, and immigrated to the US with her 2nd husband, and her 2 children in early 1916. The children took the step-father's name when their mother remarried.
Sophia was born in 1888 according to her US Naturalization records.

Thanks,
Tammy Driver
Re: Riga - Latvia Holocaust website #holocaust #latvia

T R
 

Do we know/have information yet on who was killed how & when?

I discovered a few years ago relatives that definitely ended up and died there, with departure dates/train numbers
but then no other information.

Thank you,

Tanya Roland
Searching ROSENBERG, ROTH, STEINMANN, SCHWARZ
Re: Rabbi Yakov Rabinovich of Dvinsk #latvia #rabbinic

Ann Rabinowitz
 

In the official 1901 Death Registers for Dvinsk (Daugavpils), Latvia as well Marriage Registers for 1886 as well as other years, Rabbi Yakov Rabinovich signed off on these. This probably means he was the State Rabbi for Dvinsk or government-paid rabbi. If I find any further information on him, will post.

Ann Rabinowitz
arabinow@...
Re: Confusion over changing surnames from Dusseldorf to Leuwarden #germany #names

l.a.m.buisman@...
 

English text Wikipedia about Leeuwarden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeuwarden Listen to the Dutch pronunciation of Leeuwarden. (Frisian: Ljouwert). Also in that article, the origin of the name. History of the city including a part about the Jewish community.

There were/are, besides the Frisian language in different dialects and local languages different variants of the name, so pronunciation may vary. Leeuwarden en Leuwarden is just a matter of spelling.
It's beyond me how Leeuwarden as a surname hints them to being Levites.

To Tanya Williams: maybe it's not a matter of changing surnames, but using, or being registered with different surnames in different context. I researched a Cohen family; while some of them appeared in Amsterdam burial records as amesfort or the like, others didn't (though they all lived or had lived in Amersfoort and used the name Cohen). A family de Jongh (de Jong, de Jonge) that used that surname since late 1600's but remained Rintel in Jewish records). And of course, in Europe early 19th century everybody had to have an official surname, and within families different surnames could appear.


To Pieter Hoekstra: Westfriesland is the name of a region in the northern part of what is now the province of Noordholland. Originating from the time they were connected with nowadays Friesland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friesland#/media/File:Frisia_716-la.svg
Later and now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Friesland_(region)
I can understand though why the name west-Friesland for the Dutch part of Friesland is also used as opposed to Ost-Friesland in Germany.

Loes Buisman, Amsterdam

 

 

 
Re: Identifying town name from WW1 and WW2 Draft Cards. Maybe in Bessarabia? #bessarabia #russia

clucenti@...
 

Using the information found by Odeda Zlotnick, Marshall Lerner and Larry Bassist, I looked at the various spellings. From my own personal experience, I decided that the ship manifest was probably the most reliable. The town name appears three times on Elie Akerman's arrival record. Examining all 3 spellings, I come up with Orzawenets, with Arzawenets or Orzavenets being reasonable alternatives. Although I cannot find any information on such a town, I've learned from experience that not being able to find this town name on JewishGen or using Google does not mean it didn't exist. It may have been quite small, or the spelling might be off just enough to keep it from showing up in a phonetic search. I've seen it happen before, and I know I will see it happen again. I believe you are right that the "Bess." notation on the WWI draft registration refers to Bessarabia, as I have seen that notation appear before.

The closest town name I found was Zhvanets, which is roughly 5 miles from Khotyn, Ukraine. Although Zhvanets was reportedly in Podolia gubernia, nearby Khotin/Khotin was in Bessarabia gubernia. It may or may not be the town you are looking for, and I'm not saying that it is, but I believe the town you are looking for might potentially be in this region.

Regards,

Cary Pollack

Tamarac, Florida
Re: Free fillms in honor of International Holocaust Remembrance Day #announcements #holocaust

Ronnie Hess
 

Alert: Chai Flicks asks for your email and credit card information.
The films are worth seeing but be careful. They aren’t exactly free. You need to cancel by 7 days.And they still have your cc number.
Ronnie Hess
Madison, WI
Will the real Lousada duke please stand up?! #events #sephardic

contact@...
 

Who is the legitimate claimant of the Spanish Lousada dukedom?
Three families of alleged Jewish ancestry say it is them!

Did the Baruch Lousada commit fraud in making the original claim?! Do the
Barrow family descend from the Baruch Lousada? Julian Land discusses this
eminent Victorian family whose members included mayors of two English
towns and three British generals. Are they Sephardic-descended as was
claimed, or Ashkenazim who invented the story? Are they even Jewish? And who
are their rival claimants for the dukedom, the Fischl von Dirsztays of
Vienna? Julian will guide us through the complex and entertaining claims
of Sephardic and noble ancestry. Who deserves the ducal coronet?

Julian Land trained in theoretical physics and mathematics followed by a
thirty year career in commercial client relations with Australia’s national
science research corporation, CSIRO. He descends for the Lousada family and
runs the popular www.barrow-lousada.org website

The meeting is on Sunday 30 January 2022, at 11am in LA, 2pm NYC, 7pm
London, 8pm Paris/Amsterdam and 9pm Jerusalem. Patrons can join us on Zoom.
The link is shared at our Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/sephardi

Everyone is invited to join us for free at:
https://www.youtube.com/SephardicGenealogyAndHistory/ Please subscribe to
the YouTube channel. It helps us a lot and reminds you when we are going
live!

Over the last two years Sephardic World has become the leading forum for
learning about Sephardic history and genealogy. We have no commercial
sponsorship or public funding. There is no charge to attend our meetings or
to view our content. If you are not a patron and can afford it, please
consider supporting our work: https://www.patreon.com/sephardi

Best wishes,

David Mendoza and Ton Tielen
Sephardic World
Sephardic Genealogical Society
https://www.sephardic.world/
Re: Confusion over changing surnames from Dusseldorf to Leuwarden #germany #names

N. ARONSON
 

Although it is true that the name Leeuwarden refers to the capital of Friesland in The Netherlands (as hinted at in my initial post when I referred to a member of the family being buried there), but it is not at all far-fetched to suggest that they adopted that as a surname, not only because they lived there but also because it also hints to them being Levites.
--
Nachum Aronson
Rabbi Yakov Rabinovich of Dvinsk #latvia #rabbinic

Terry Ashton
 

I am trying to find out some biographical details of Rabbi Yakov Rabinovich
of Dvinsk, who married my great grandparents, Sora Basha Goltz and Abe
Zalman (Solomon) Abrahamovich on February 22nd, 1889, (corresponding to the
Hebrew date of 3 Adar 5649).
I wonder if anyone has any information about this rabbi or where I might
find information on him please?

Ms Terry Ashton, Australia
PRASHKER-Kalisz; SZUMOWSKI-Lomza; WAJNGOT-Poland; WIERZBOWICZ-Poland;
GOLDMAN-Poland; SEGAL-SEGALOVITCH-Vilna; GOLTZ-Latvia
Re: Tombstone (matzevah) inscription translation request #hungary #rabbinic #translation

fredelfruhman
 

I am returning to correct my reading of the second part of the father's name:  It is Gedalyahu, as Ms. Zlotnick wrote (not Gedalya).
--
Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA
5081 - 5100 of 670659