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Where was Galicia in 1909? poland , Russia? #general

Brett Lieberman <create@...>
 

Thanks I hope someone can answer this for me...
Where was Galicia in 1909?

thank you
Brett Lieberman
Create@direct.ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Where was Galicia in 1909? poland , Russia? #general

Brett Lieberman <create@...>
 

Thanks I hope someone can answer this for me...
Where was Galicia in 1909?

thank you
Brett Lieberman
Create@direct.ca


* References about rabinical families #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Hello,

I am looking for books or any other sources of information about rabbis and
rabinical families born in Slovakia (Austria-Hungary) in the period of
1750-1850. Please reply in private.

Many thanks in advance, wishing to all a happy Thanksgiving Day
Tom


Hungary SIG #Hungary * References about rabinical families #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Hello,

I am looking for books or any other sources of information about rabbis and
rabinical families born in Slovakia (Austria-Hungary) in the period of
1750-1850. Please reply in private.

Many thanks in advance, wishing to all a happy Thanksgiving Day
Tom


Old Budapest city directories - lookups accomplished #hungary

Radix <tristram@...>
 

Dear H-siggers and Hunroots members,

On 18 November 1998 I sent a message to H-SIG, which was then forwarded
to Hunroots. I offered free lookups in the old Budapest city directories
that are available in our library.

Now I have prepared the material, and it is available at:
http://www.bogardi.com/gen/g077.htm
Those who has requested the lookups, see this page. I am still willing
to do lookups for others, as time permits.

Regards,

Janos Bogardi / Radix.


Re: Neshviz,Russia #general

Alexander Sharon <sharon@...>
 

ptsbl wrote:

Does anyone know the specific location of Neshviz? Where can
I find additional information on this town?
Thanks, Tina GAM
researching: GAM, GAMM, SEID(Russia/Poland)
I'm replying for Tina's query to the group since other JewishGeners
might find this information, which covers other Belarus shtetlakh,
useful in their own research.

Location of Nesvizh and first hand information about the shtetl - see
JewishGen website

http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/nesvizh/nesvizh.html

Additional map for orientation:

http://www.expediamaps.com/results.asp?Place=Nesvizh&MT=&CO=20&RS=CHECKED&Form=CF

To view 3D map of Nesvizh and other towns refer to English site:

http://www.travelnotes.org/Europe/belarus.htm

Hope, this help

Alexander Sharon


Hungary SIG #Hungary Old Budapest city directories - lookups accomplished #hungary

Radix <tristram@...>
 

Dear H-siggers and Hunroots members,

On 18 November 1998 I sent a message to H-SIG, which was then forwarded
to Hunroots. I offered free lookups in the old Budapest city directories
that are available in our library.

Now I have prepared the material, and it is available at:
http://www.bogardi.com/gen/g077.htm
Those who has requested the lookups, see this page. I am still willing
to do lookups for others, as time permits.

Regards,

Janos Bogardi / Radix.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Neshviz,Russia #general

Alexander Sharon <sharon@...>
 

ptsbl wrote:

Does anyone know the specific location of Neshviz? Where can
I find additional information on this town?
Thanks, Tina GAM
researching: GAM, GAMM, SEID(Russia/Poland)
I'm replying for Tina's query to the group since other JewishGeners
might find this information, which covers other Belarus shtetlakh,
useful in their own research.

Location of Nesvizh and first hand information about the shtetl - see
JewishGen website

http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/nesvizh/nesvizh.html

Additional map for orientation:

http://www.expediamaps.com/results.asp?Place=Nesvizh&MT=&CO=20&RS=CHECKED&Form=CF

To view 3D map of Nesvizh and other towns refer to English site:

http://www.travelnotes.org/Europe/belarus.htm

Hope, this help

Alexander Sharon


Re: Ukraine/Slovakia Visit-Summer 1998 #hungary

Dmfreil@...
 

To all readers and fellow genealogists, Louis Schonfeld asked that I duplicate
an article I wrote for the Fall 1998 "Generations" a journal published by the
local Michigan Jewish Genealogical Society chapter. I do not have a photo
scanner so you could see the expressions captured by the camera when my
American father (age 89) and his English first-cousin (age 84) met for the
first time. Neither knew of each other's existence before my research
commenced.
Diane M. Freilich of Michigan

THE TRIP OF A LIFETIME

This summer, I visited the hometowns of my paternal ancestors that were
once part of the huge Austria-Hungary Empire. Today, these places are located
in Slovakia and the Ukraine.

The first two weeks were spent researching genealogy. Louis Schonfeld of
Cleveland, Ohio arranged for our guides, driver and itinerary. We were a group
of six on tour to the Ukraine and two in Slovakia. Louis is an incredible
human being. He is so dedicated to discovering the roots of Hungarian Jewry
that you cannot help but be enthusiastic as well. Our goal was to locate
Jewish cemeteries and the graves of our ancestors.

Highlighting the trip was the successful location of the grave site for
my paternal ggf, Moshe Zvi Freilich. He is buried in the Uzhgorod cemetery in
Ukraine. However, much to our amazement the tombstone bore a memorial
inscription for his sons murdered at Auschwitz, instead of his death seventeen
years before. The stone had toppled over and was embedded in the ground. We
could not lift it. However, we think the inscription of his death must be on
the other side. Finding his grave would have been next to impossible in this
vast cemetery. It was my good fortune to have the page >from the Uzhgorod
pinkas (death registry) which gave his name, section plot number and date of
death. Information regarding this pinkas is in Avotaynu, Winter 1998 edition.
The story behind the pinkas is fascinating and I urge you to read it.
Visiting the Ukraine was like turning the clock back one hundred years ago.
The traffic jams are caused by cows herded through the roads to and from
pasture.

I saw the villages of Gaboltov and Hrabske and the town of Bardejov all
located in Saros County, Slovakia. There are no Jews remaining in the two
villages and only a few in Bardejov. The Gaboltov cemetery is just a jungle.
An elderly Slovakian citizen who led us to the cemetery, returned with an ax
to chop away the overgrown tree branches and brush. Only twenty tombstones
were identified. Most were inscribed with first names not surnames. What a
disappointment not to find any of my ancestors. Several people in the group
were able to locate unknown ancestors at other cemetery locations.
Nevertheless, actually visiting the places where my gf and ggf once resided in
the mid to late 1800s was worth it. The countryside is breathtaking with its
hills and greenery.

Although I knew the cemetery and date of death, I was not able to locate
my paternal gggm in the Bardejov cemetery. This is a huge cemetery and is
poorly maintained with weeds and grass above waist high and bees everywhere.
There is no burial registry according to Meyer Spira, a Jewish man who holds
the cemetery key. Even though he visits the cemetery daily, Mr. Spira offered
no assistance as to where she might be buried. This part of the trip was
frustrating.

It is very difficult to obtain vital records >from the Ukraine. The
communist mentality is still prevalent. In contrast, the Slovakians are more
liberal. At the Presov archives, I actually had the opportunity to touch the
original birth, death and marriage registries. Even though, I had seen the
information on LDS microfilm, this was quite a thrilling experience. Twelve
registers were produced for my review. However, I only had time to peruse
five. In addition, copies of the 1868 census were provided. There were only
three families >from Gaboltov, one of which was the Freilich family. Copies
were made. There is an archival fee based upon the number of books requested.
This fee is quite nominal given the value of the American dollar.

The next two weeks I planned a commercial tour of the Eastern European
cities: Warsaw, Krakow, Budapest, Prague and Vienna. Auschwitz and Birkenau
were visited. The commercial atmosphere of Auschwitz was a disappointment.
However, the exhibits of shoes, glasses, suitcases, human hair were
overwhelming. In contrast, the silence was deafening at Birkenau. It is my
understanding that both camps were reconstructed. Just the original brick
chimneys remain as a reminder of this horrific time in human history.

In Prague, the Pinkas Synagogue has many walls of names (77,297)
memorializing those Jews that were deported >from Bohemia and Moravia. After
each name is the year of birth and year of deportation. The group was alerted
to locate the Freilich name since I knew it was listed in The Precious Legacy
by David Altshuler. These walls of names are just mind boggling. You can
spend hours trying to read them. There is a big sign stating no cameras nor
videos allowed. A few people on tour spotted Freilich, saving a considerable
amount of time. I now have eighteen more Freilichs to research. I understand
no publication exists of these names.

I had the wonderful opportunity, in Vienna, to spend thirty minutes with
Simon Wiesenthal at his office. The man is as impressive in person as his
Nazi-hunting skills are world renowned. Mr. Wiesenthal will be 90 on December
31, 1998. He should live for another 90 years in continued good health. When
I questioned the absence of a Holocaust Memorial in Vienna, his answer
"Everything in due time." Fifty-four years after W.W.II, a Holocaust monument
has broken ground.

The climax of the trip was a visit to London, England. In London, there
is a huge Freilich family who are related. We share the same gggf and ggf.
One year ago, this summer I became interested in genealogy. Within eight
months, I had discovered this English family via the Internet. A kind
gentleman read my note of inquiry and e-mailed a list of thirteen Freilichs in
the London directory. I then en masse snail mailed an inquiry resulting in
five hits.

Yeshiah Nosan Freilich was a brother to my grandfather and uncle to my
father. He was regarded as a learned rabbi having published in 1940 a book on
dietary laws called: Shaare Dura on Yore Deah. After completing a second
volume of this treatise, he was murdered in 1944 at Auschwitz. I received an
unbound copy of the first volume >from my English relatives, who are his
descendants. The US Library of Congress maintains a copy as well.

My father, Norman Freilich (89 years) and my mother Nettie met me in
London to meet this new found family. On this inaugural visit, Norman met his
first cousin, Meier Freilich (84), son of Yeshiah. Neither cousin knew of the
existence of each other. There was a beautiful reception honoring us with
thirty family members present. We learned that my dad has a first cousin Elly
(91) living in Israel and many more relatives. I am urging my father to
embark on an Israeli trip next year, the good Lord willing.

Conclusion. I have three strong impressions to share. First and
foremost, is the realization that the European Jewish civilization and culture
has been eradicated. Town after town that once inhabited Jews are now devoid
of them. What does this mean? The Jewish cemeteries are difficult to find
and have been neglected for fifty years or more. The young people of the
country have no clue regarding the Jews. Searching for older people becomes a
necessity. The older the person the more likely their knowledge of the Jews.
The problem, in a few years they, too will be gone.
Secondly, I feel that American Jewry may also lose its identity. We do
not need a Hitler to annihilate us, it is happening before our eyes. Think for
a moment how often do we attend services. How often do we support the
synagogue, the Jewish community. It is so easy to take things for granted.
How devastating it was to view vacant, rotting synagogues hauntingly standing
as a reminder of the past. How scary it was to see shuls now used as concert
halls and businesses. The Jews are gone.

Finally, when I decided to undertake the creation of a family tree,
little did I realize the time involvement and the impact this endeavor would
have upon my life. Although this "hobby" has become an obsession, I must tell
you how rewarding it is to find family. How mind boggling it is to be
ignorant of relatives existing across the ocean and around the block. How I
buried my head in the sand thinking my family was so fortunate to be in
America during the Nazi era of murder. How naive of me to think with six
million Jews murdered that my family had been spared. To me, this is the
ultimate reason for Jewish genealogy. To uncover the murdered victims and give
them a final resting place; with their names on our family trees.
Diane M. Freilich
Member of Michigan Jewish Genealogical Society


"Varad - Tegnap varosa"look up needed #hungary

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

Is there an index of names in the book? I would like to know if following
names are mentioned:
WEISZ, FEHER, DAVIDOVITS, PALLER, VARADI, KLEIN

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm
susanna.vendel@swipnet.se

Researching:
WEISZ - Valea lui Mihai, Ordea, Salonta (Ro), Margitta (H)
ABRAHAM - Budapest (H)
BERGENTHAL - Zrenjanin (Yu)
BURGER - Carei (Ro)
DAVIDOVITS - Salonta (Ro)
DEIM - Budapest (H)
DREXLER - USA (?)
LEDERMAN - USA (?)
POLITZER - Alba Iulia (Ro), Budapest (H)
ROSSMAN - Alba Iulia (Ro), Budapest (H)
ROSSLER - Zrenjanin (Yu), Budapest (H)
SIMSOVITS - Sighet (Ro)
UNGVARI - Hungary (?)
WAGNER - Sighet (Ro)


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Ukraine/Slovakia Visit-Summer 1998 #hungary

Dmfreil@...
 

To all readers and fellow genealogists, Louis Schonfeld asked that I duplicate
an article I wrote for the Fall 1998 "Generations" a journal published by the
local Michigan Jewish Genealogical Society chapter. I do not have a photo
scanner so you could see the expressions captured by the camera when my
American father (age 89) and his English first-cousin (age 84) met for the
first time. Neither knew of each other's existence before my research
commenced.
Diane M. Freilich of Michigan

THE TRIP OF A LIFETIME

This summer, I visited the hometowns of my paternal ancestors that were
once part of the huge Austria-Hungary Empire. Today, these places are located
in Slovakia and the Ukraine.

The first two weeks were spent researching genealogy. Louis Schonfeld of
Cleveland, Ohio arranged for our guides, driver and itinerary. We were a group
of six on tour to the Ukraine and two in Slovakia. Louis is an incredible
human being. He is so dedicated to discovering the roots of Hungarian Jewry
that you cannot help but be enthusiastic as well. Our goal was to locate
Jewish cemeteries and the graves of our ancestors.

Highlighting the trip was the successful location of the grave site for
my paternal ggf, Moshe Zvi Freilich. He is buried in the Uzhgorod cemetery in
Ukraine. However, much to our amazement the tombstone bore a memorial
inscription for his sons murdered at Auschwitz, instead of his death seventeen
years before. The stone had toppled over and was embedded in the ground. We
could not lift it. However, we think the inscription of his death must be on
the other side. Finding his grave would have been next to impossible in this
vast cemetery. It was my good fortune to have the page >from the Uzhgorod
pinkas (death registry) which gave his name, section plot number and date of
death. Information regarding this pinkas is in Avotaynu, Winter 1998 edition.
The story behind the pinkas is fascinating and I urge you to read it.
Visiting the Ukraine was like turning the clock back one hundred years ago.
The traffic jams are caused by cows herded through the roads to and from
pasture.

I saw the villages of Gaboltov and Hrabske and the town of Bardejov all
located in Saros County, Slovakia. There are no Jews remaining in the two
villages and only a few in Bardejov. The Gaboltov cemetery is just a jungle.
An elderly Slovakian citizen who led us to the cemetery, returned with an ax
to chop away the overgrown tree branches and brush. Only twenty tombstones
were identified. Most were inscribed with first names not surnames. What a
disappointment not to find any of my ancestors. Several people in the group
were able to locate unknown ancestors at other cemetery locations.
Nevertheless, actually visiting the places where my gf and ggf once resided in
the mid to late 1800s was worth it. The countryside is breathtaking with its
hills and greenery.

Although I knew the cemetery and date of death, I was not able to locate
my paternal gggm in the Bardejov cemetery. This is a huge cemetery and is
poorly maintained with weeds and grass above waist high and bees everywhere.
There is no burial registry according to Meyer Spira, a Jewish man who holds
the cemetery key. Even though he visits the cemetery daily, Mr. Spira offered
no assistance as to where she might be buried. This part of the trip was
frustrating.

It is very difficult to obtain vital records >from the Ukraine. The
communist mentality is still prevalent. In contrast, the Slovakians are more
liberal. At the Presov archives, I actually had the opportunity to touch the
original birth, death and marriage registries. Even though, I had seen the
information on LDS microfilm, this was quite a thrilling experience. Twelve
registers were produced for my review. However, I only had time to peruse
five. In addition, copies of the 1868 census were provided. There were only
three families >from Gaboltov, one of which was the Freilich family. Copies
were made. There is an archival fee based upon the number of books requested.
This fee is quite nominal given the value of the American dollar.

The next two weeks I planned a commercial tour of the Eastern European
cities: Warsaw, Krakow, Budapest, Prague and Vienna. Auschwitz and Birkenau
were visited. The commercial atmosphere of Auschwitz was a disappointment.
However, the exhibits of shoes, glasses, suitcases, human hair were
overwhelming. In contrast, the silence was deafening at Birkenau. It is my
understanding that both camps were reconstructed. Just the original brick
chimneys remain as a reminder of this horrific time in human history.

In Prague, the Pinkas Synagogue has many walls of names (77,297)
memorializing those Jews that were deported >from Bohemia and Moravia. After
each name is the year of birth and year of deportation. The group was alerted
to locate the Freilich name since I knew it was listed in The Precious Legacy
by David Altshuler. These walls of names are just mind boggling. You can
spend hours trying to read them. There is a big sign stating no cameras nor
videos allowed. A few people on tour spotted Freilich, saving a considerable
amount of time. I now have eighteen more Freilichs to research. I understand
no publication exists of these names.

I had the wonderful opportunity, in Vienna, to spend thirty minutes with
Simon Wiesenthal at his office. The man is as impressive in person as his
Nazi-hunting skills are world renowned. Mr. Wiesenthal will be 90 on December
31, 1998. He should live for another 90 years in continued good health. When
I questioned the absence of a Holocaust Memorial in Vienna, his answer
"Everything in due time." Fifty-four years after W.W.II, a Holocaust monument
has broken ground.

The climax of the trip was a visit to London, England. In London, there
is a huge Freilich family who are related. We share the same gggf and ggf.
One year ago, this summer I became interested in genealogy. Within eight
months, I had discovered this English family via the Internet. A kind
gentleman read my note of inquiry and e-mailed a list of thirteen Freilichs in
the London directory. I then en masse snail mailed an inquiry resulting in
five hits.

Yeshiah Nosan Freilich was a brother to my grandfather and uncle to my
father. He was regarded as a learned rabbi having published in 1940 a book on
dietary laws called: Shaare Dura on Yore Deah. After completing a second
volume of this treatise, he was murdered in 1944 at Auschwitz. I received an
unbound copy of the first volume >from my English relatives, who are his
descendants. The US Library of Congress maintains a copy as well.

My father, Norman Freilich (89 years) and my mother Nettie met me in
London to meet this new found family. On this inaugural visit, Norman met his
first cousin, Meier Freilich (84), son of Yeshiah. Neither cousin knew of the
existence of each other. There was a beautiful reception honoring us with
thirty family members present. We learned that my dad has a first cousin Elly
(91) living in Israel and many more relatives. I am urging my father to
embark on an Israeli trip next year, the good Lord willing.

Conclusion. I have three strong impressions to share. First and
foremost, is the realization that the European Jewish civilization and culture
has been eradicated. Town after town that once inhabited Jews are now devoid
of them. What does this mean? The Jewish cemeteries are difficult to find
and have been neglected for fifty years or more. The young people of the
country have no clue regarding the Jews. Searching for older people becomes a
necessity. The older the person the more likely their knowledge of the Jews.
The problem, in a few years they, too will be gone.
Secondly, I feel that American Jewry may also lose its identity. We do
not need a Hitler to annihilate us, it is happening before our eyes. Think for
a moment how often do we attend services. How often do we support the
synagogue, the Jewish community. It is so easy to take things for granted.
How devastating it was to view vacant, rotting synagogues hauntingly standing
as a reminder of the past. How scary it was to see shuls now used as concert
halls and businesses. The Jews are gone.

Finally, when I decided to undertake the creation of a family tree,
little did I realize the time involvement and the impact this endeavor would
have upon my life. Although this "hobby" has become an obsession, I must tell
you how rewarding it is to find family. How mind boggling it is to be
ignorant of relatives existing across the ocean and around the block. How I
buried my head in the sand thinking my family was so fortunate to be in
America during the Nazi era of murder. How naive of me to think with six
million Jews murdered that my family had been spared. To me, this is the
ultimate reason for Jewish genealogy. To uncover the murdered victims and give
them a final resting place; with their names on our family trees.
Diane M. Freilich
Member of Michigan Jewish Genealogical Society


Hungary SIG #Hungary "Varad - Tegnap varosa"look up needed #hungary

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

Is there an index of names in the book? I would like to know if following
names are mentioned:
WEISZ, FEHER, DAVIDOVITS, PALLER, VARADI, KLEIN

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm
susanna.vendel@swipnet.se

Researching:
WEISZ - Valea lui Mihai, Ordea, Salonta (Ro), Margitta (H)
ABRAHAM - Budapest (H)
BERGENTHAL - Zrenjanin (Yu)
BURGER - Carei (Ro)
DAVIDOVITS - Salonta (Ro)
DEIM - Budapest (H)
DREXLER - USA (?)
LEDERMAN - USA (?)
POLITZER - Alba Iulia (Ro), Budapest (H)
ROSSMAN - Alba Iulia (Ro), Budapest (H)
ROSSLER - Zrenjanin (Yu), Budapest (H)
SIMSOVITS - Sighet (Ro)
UNGVARI - Hungary (?)
WAGNER - Sighet (Ro)


Re: Szighet records #hungary

PARC313@...
 

In a message dated 11/22/98 8:10:18 PM Pacific Standard Time,
korerc@earthlink.net writes:

<< BTW If you missed seeing my 100+ year old Hunky grandmother on TV and
would like to see what Regina Fox (Salamon, Eichler) looks like, point
your web browser to www.adlercentanarians.com and hit "enter" as you
point to "48 hours" in the top left box on that page.
>>

I was really interested in seeing what your Hunky grandmother looked like. I
had one too. Thought it would be interesting to compare notes. However,
please note the message I received when I tried to get to your site. Is there
something wrong or did I do something wrong?

Phyllis Auspitz Cohen
parc313@aol.com
Philadelphia, PA, USA
The City of Brotherly Love

Searching: AUSPITZ & ZELKOWITZ = HUNGARY-SLOVAKIA-UKRAINE
GROSNOFF = LITHUANIA? RUSSIA?


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ASCHNER-Hradiste, Kocise, Wien, Spisska Novy Ves #hungary

Rakoff125
 

In searching my ASCHNER roots several name have come up, that I don't know
anything about, on various on line searches. Recently I spied this in a AJCS
cemetary report for "Mohacs is located at 45.59 longitude / 18.42
latitude, 50km >from Szekszard, in Baranya, ... A noteworthy Jew buried in this
Neolog cemetery is Aschner Lipot. "
and elsewhere I came upon this (translation would be profoundly appreciated)
Emlekezes Aschner Liptra az Egyesult Izzo centenariuman 454. old. (10. sz.)
Kituntetesunk.
EGY FeNYES KARRIER
Iden Horvath Jozsef, a Tungsram-Schreder vezet je es reszben birtokosa kapta
az Aschner Lipot-d jat, amit az "ev menedzsere" elismereskent is szoktak
aposztrofalni

The Terezin deportation material had this:
Aschner,Max (24.2.1897,Hradiste pod Vratnom,3.7.1942)
-13647/1942
Aschner,Rosa Sara (21.6.1870,Vrbovce,28.12.1943)
-36328/1943
I am wondering if it might be mother and son. My gt grandfather Adolph Aschner
was born in Hradiste in 1861. His parents Salomon Aschner and Netti
(Ernestine?) Low'y had lived there, Iglo,(Spisska Novy Ves), and Kassa
(Kosice). He had a brother Sigmund and sisters Fani and Josephine (Pepi).
Fani married a Mr. Buchvald in Wien and their child Malvina came to the US as
a governess for the Gould family.Mimi (Buchvald) Grossberg , the noted
Austrian writer, is a cousin. I am also seeking to find out what happened
to cousin Victor Aschner and his father Sigmund, (Adolph's brother) who lived
in Wien in the IX district, mail ceased in the mid-30s.
Also, I also believe there is a street in Budapest named for Lipot Aschner.
Now this is not a very common name so I wonder if there are any of you out
there who might know anything about these people that can help me fill in my
tree. I would be most grateful. thank you. Linda Rakoff, Newton, MA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Szighet records #hungary

PARC313@...
 

In a message dated 11/22/98 8:10:18 PM Pacific Standard Time,
korerc@earthlink.net writes:

<< BTW If you missed seeing my 100+ year old Hunky grandmother on TV and
would like to see what Regina Fox (Salamon, Eichler) looks like, point
your web browser to www.adlercentanarians.com and hit "enter" as you
point to "48 hours" in the top left box on that page.
>>

I was really interested in seeing what your Hunky grandmother looked like. I
had one too. Thought it would be interesting to compare notes. However,
please note the message I received when I tried to get to your site. Is there
something wrong or did I do something wrong?

Phyllis Auspitz Cohen
parc313@aol.com
Philadelphia, PA, USA
The City of Brotherly Love

Searching: AUSPITZ & ZELKOWITZ = HUNGARY-SLOVAKIA-UKRAINE
GROSNOFF = LITHUANIA? RUSSIA?


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Hungary SIG #Hungary ASCHNER-Hradiste, Kocise, Wien, Spisska Novy Ves #hungary

Rakoff125
 

In searching my ASCHNER roots several name have come up, that I don't know
anything about, on various on line searches. Recently I spied this in a AJCS
cemetary report for "Mohacs is located at 45.59 longitude / 18.42
latitude, 50km >from Szekszard, in Baranya, ... A noteworthy Jew buried in this
Neolog cemetery is Aschner Lipot. "
and elsewhere I came upon this (translation would be profoundly appreciated)
Emlekezes Aschner Liptra az Egyesult Izzo centenariuman 454. old. (10. sz.)
Kituntetesunk.
EGY FeNYES KARRIER
Iden Horvath Jozsef, a Tungsram-Schreder vezet je es reszben birtokosa kapta
az Aschner Lipot-d jat, amit az "ev menedzsere" elismereskent is szoktak
aposztrofalni

The Terezin deportation material had this:
Aschner,Max (24.2.1897,Hradiste pod Vratnom,3.7.1942)
-13647/1942
Aschner,Rosa Sara (21.6.1870,Vrbovce,28.12.1943)
-36328/1943
I am wondering if it might be mother and son. My gt grandfather Adolph Aschner
was born in Hradiste in 1861. His parents Salomon Aschner and Netti
(Ernestine?) Low'y had lived there, Iglo,(Spisska Novy Ves), and Kassa
(Kosice). He had a brother Sigmund and sisters Fani and Josephine (Pepi).
Fani married a Mr. Buchvald in Wien and their child Malvina came to the US as
a governess for the Gould family.Mimi (Buchvald) Grossberg , the noted
Austrian writer, is a cousin. I am also seeking to find out what happened
to cousin Victor Aschner and his father Sigmund, (Adolph's brother) who lived
in Wien in the IX district, mail ceased in the mid-30s.
Also, I also believe there is a street in Budapest named for Lipot Aschner.
Now this is not a very common name so I wonder if there are any of you out
there who might know anything about these people that can help me fill in my
tree. I would be most grateful. thank you. Linda Rakoff, Newton, MA


Re: Old Phone Directories #hungary

Cherie Korer <korerc@...>
 

From:Cherie Korer (korerc@earthlink.net)
Subject: Bubbe on 48 Hours
Date: November 24, 1998

If you were unable to find the website that shows a 100 year old
Hungarian Bubbe, it's totally my fault. I misspelled it. Here is the
correct URL: www.adlercentenarians.com Sorry!

Michael wrote:


Arthur Kurzweil says that he went to the New York public library and found
many old phone directories >from 1930's Warsaw.

Does such an archive exist for any Hungarian cities?

[mod. - I'm not sure I understand the question, but in A.K.'s revised copy of his book he mentions old telephone books of Subcarpathia Ruthenia, and other locations as well, and I beleive that they too may be found int the New York public library]

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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Old Phone Directories #hungary

Cherie Korer <korerc@...>
 

From:Cherie Korer (korerc@earthlink.net)
Subject: Bubbe on 48 Hours
Date: November 24, 1998

If you were unable to find the website that shows a 100 year old
Hungarian Bubbe, it's totally my fault. I misspelled it. Here is the
correct URL: www.adlercentenarians.com Sorry!

Michael wrote:


Arthur Kurzweil says that he went to the New York public library and found
many old phone directories >from 1930's Warsaw.

Does such an archive exist for any Hungarian cities?

[mod. - I'm not sure I understand the question, but in A.K.'s revised copy of his book he mentions old telephone books of Subcarpathia Ruthenia, and other locations as well, and I beleive that they too may be found int the New York public library]

Michael Kelemen

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Re: jewishgen digest: November 24, 1998 #general

arlene parnes <arlene@...>
 

With the name of GALEWITZ - does this mean I should try looking for
HALEWITZ? Even though I've found 4-5 of the name coming to the US. Could
it be that the "H" was misunderstood by the person taking down the names
upon embarkation and the "G" was just carried over into America? They were
Litvaks, of that I am sure.

Thanks for anyone's input.
Arlene in FL arlene@orlinter.com

--------------------------
Chaim Charutz wrote:

Alexander Sharon's posting on the Russian lack of the letter "H", which
appears in other European languages, was very interesting and informative.

However, he seems to be unaware that English has the exact opposite problem
in that, while most European languages have a guttural sound represented,
usually by "CH" or by "X" or (in Spanish) by "J" (for example, the Scottish
word loch) English does not have this sound. This guttural sound is,
therefore, often represented in English by the letter "H" and is often
pronounced that way.

The examples that Alexander gives to illustrate the use of the Russian "X"
are, for the most part, words that have this guttural sound - Haifa, Hanna
and Haim are all Hebrew names, pronounced with the "CH" or "KH" gutturals,
and represented (and sometimes pronounced) in English as an "H" sound.
The Russian representation is, therefore, closer to the original sound
than the English representation.
All the best, >Chaim Charutz - Petach Tikva, Israel.


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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: jewishgen digest: November 24, 1998 #general

arlene parnes <arlene@...>
 

With the name of GALEWITZ - does this mean I should try looking for
HALEWITZ? Even though I've found 4-5 of the name coming to the US. Could
it be that the "H" was misunderstood by the person taking down the names
upon embarkation and the "G" was just carried over into America? They were
Litvaks, of that I am sure.

Thanks for anyone's input.
Arlene in FL arlene@orlinter.com

--------------------------
Chaim Charutz wrote:

Alexander Sharon's posting on the Russian lack of the letter "H", which
appears in other European languages, was very interesting and informative.

However, he seems to be unaware that English has the exact opposite problem
in that, while most European languages have a guttural sound represented,
usually by "CH" or by "X" or (in Spanish) by "J" (for example, the Scottish
word loch) English does not have this sound. This guttural sound is,
therefore, often represented in English by the letter "H" and is often
pronounced that way.

The examples that Alexander gives to illustrate the use of the Russian "X"
are, for the most part, words that have this guttural sound - Haifa, Hanna
and Haim are all Hebrew names, pronounced with the "CH" or "KH" gutturals,
and represented (and sometimes pronounced) in English as an "H" sound.
The Russian representation is, therefore, closer to the original sound
than the English representation.
All the best, >Chaim Charutz - Petach Tikva, Israel.


MODERATOR NOTE: Although the thread is closed this message
opens up a new view point on the subject and is, therefore
being posted.