Is it Klasor Klaus/Klauz? There are people >from that family listed in
the 1858 Vilkomir Revision Lists. I have a friend in Israel >from that
family. If that is the same name, please contact me privately, and I
will give you this guy's address and telephone numbers.

I will also send you the 1858 information if you'd like.

Harold Rhode
hrhode@...

Subject: Searching KLAS,KRASKIE,KARNI

1. KLAS and KRASKIE------Seta 1892-------------Krekenova 1900
My grandfather, Leizer Klas worked in one of the two Jewish owned

Norman Camber (aka Kamber)
Los Angeles,Ca.

Is it Klasor Klaus/Klauz? There are people >from that family listed in
the 1858 Vilkomir Revision Lists. I have a friend in Israel >from that
family. If that is the same name, please contact me privately, and I
will give you this guy's address and telephone numbers.

I will also send you the 1858 information if you'd like.

Harold Rhode
hrhode@...

Subject: Searching KLAS,KRASKIE,KARNI

1. KLAS and KRASKIE------Seta 1892-------------Krekenova 1900
My grandfather, Leizer Klas worked in one of the two Jewish owned

Norman Camber (aka Kamber)
Los Angeles,Ca.

If anyone has the street address, and the email address for the Hungarian=
Museum in Sefat I would be very grateful if you could email them to me =
privately. IT'H I will be leaving for Israel on Wednesday, and would ver=
y much like to get to the museum if possible (please email me directly =
as I will be temporarily turning off my H-SIG!!)

TIA
Sheryl Kastriner
mailto: cyberpass@...

If anyone has the street address, and the email address for the Hungarian=
Museum in Sefat I would be very grateful if you could email them to me =
privately. IT'H I will be leaving for Israel on Wednesday, and would ver=
y much like to get to the museum if possible (please email me directly =
as I will be temporarily turning off my H-SIG!!)

TIA
Sheryl Kastriner
mailto: cyberpass@...

I am so very delighted for the Budapest directories information on my
GARTENFELD family.

Once again I thank Janos for getting them and putting them on the web, and
thank to Moshe for the translations.

This has been a giant step for me, I am in the process of filling in this
information, just in time for the Hoildays. I usually update everyones books
for them.

Thanks all, you have all been so helpful with this Irish Catholic girl. I have
learned so much this year. I'm certainly learning a lot about the Jewish, not
to mention Hungarian side of the family.

Ley K. O'Connor

I am so very delighted for the Budapest directories information on my
GARTENFELD family.

Once again I thank Janos for getting them and putting them on the web, and
thank to Moshe for the translations.

This has been a giant step for me, I am in the process of filling in this
information, just in time for the Hoildays. I usually update everyones books
for them.

Thanks all, you have all been so helpful with this Irish Catholic girl. I have
learned so much this year. I'm certainly learning a lot about the Jewish, not
to mention Hungarian side of the family.

Ley K. O'Connor

Hello all:

I am new to this list and thought I would inquire about my grandfather,
Alexander Kravetz (b 6 Jan 1894). According to his ship records he came to
the United States when he was 21 on The George Washington, which he took

from Bremen, Germany (dep 20 July 1914 arr New York 3 Aug 1914).

Family tradition has it that his family gave him the money and he walked all
the way >from Minsk to Bremen.

Unbeknownst to my father, aunts and uncles, was that, according to his
immigration records, he was married at an early age in Minsk to a Rosie ??.
He also had three children (Moses, b. 5 Dec 1909; Isaac, b. 5 July 1911 and
Goldie, b. 20 May 1913).

I am not sure what part of Minsk he came from. As well, on his records it
said that the present residence of his wife and children was in Poland.

If anyone has any insight I would surely appreciate it.

David Kravetz
japan1@...

Hello all:

I am new to this list and thought I would inquire about my grandfather,
Alexander Kravetz (b 6 Jan 1894). According to his ship records he came to
the United States when he was 21 on The George Washington, which he took

from Bremen, Germany (dep 20 July 1914 arr New York 3 Aug 1914).

Family tradition has it that his family gave him the money and he walked all
the way >from Minsk to Bremen.

Unbeknownst to my father, aunts and uncles, was that, according to his
immigration records, he was married at an early age in Minsk to a Rosie ??.
He also had three children (Moses, b. 5 Dec 1909; Isaac, b. 5 July 1911 and
Goldie, b. 20 May 1913).

I am not sure what part of Minsk he came from. As well, on his records it
said that the present residence of his wife and children was in Poland.

If anyone has any insight I would surely appreciate it.

David Kravetz
japan1@...

Pictures of the the towns of MIKHANOVICHI, SAMOKHVALOVICHI,
and OSTROVY, Belarus can now be found in the Geneology
section of my web site (http://www.hantman.net). The pictures
will take a few minutes to download. All are in jpeg (.jpg)
format. There were no Jewish cemeteries still standing in
these towns and I was unable to find any Jewish people living
there. But, the towns haven't changed much in the past 100
years and still look very much like the old shtetls (for
example, MIKHANOVICHI was just getting running water installed
when I visited).

Pictures of Rodomosko, Poland (including the Jewish cemetery) and
Czestochowa, Poland will be added in a few weeks.

Barry Hantman
hantman@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Barry, perhaps you will consider doing Shtetlink pages
for your Belarus shtetls and or writing an article about your travel
experiences in Belarus for the SIG newsletter.

Pictures of the the towns of MIKHANOVICHI, SAMOKHVALOVICHI,
and OSTROVY, Belarus can now be found in the Geneology
section of my web site (http://www.hantman.net). The pictures
will take a few minutes to download. All are in jpeg (.jpg)
format. There were no Jewish cemeteries still standing in
these towns and I was unable to find any Jewish people living
there. But, the towns haven't changed much in the past 100
years and still look very much like the old shtetls (for
example, MIKHANOVICHI was just getting running water installed
when I visited).

Pictures of Rodomosko, Poland (including the Jewish cemetery) and
Czestochowa, Poland will be added in a few weeks.

Barry Hantman
hantman@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Barry, perhaps you will consider doing Shtetlink pages
for your Belarus shtetls and or writing an article about your travel
experiences in Belarus for the SIG newsletter.

I feel compelled to reply to Prof. Harry J. Hirschhorn's e-mail regarding
the 'three grades of membership'. First of all, the Latvia SIG mailing
list is hosted by Jewishgen, and there is no fee for joining. The 'other'
Latvia SIG is a paid membership organization that was founded before the
mailing list was established (see the history on our web site). There are
membership dues largely because of the costs of printing and mailing our
quarterly newsletter (also called Latvia SIG). The membership organization
includes members who do not have computers, and do not have access to
e-mail or the World Wide Web. Our first newsletter editor was in this
category (currently about 75% of the membership is 'connected'), and was
very adamant about not giving information out for free. The compromise we
arrived at was to set a policy that no data would appear on the web site
without first being published in the newsletter.

I have done some spot surveys over the last couple of years, and have found
that there are a lot of people on the mailing list who are not paid
members, and that many paid members are not subscribed to the mailing list.
In fact, there are really two groups, with considerable overlap. In
addition, the fact that I am moderator of the mailing list has nothing to
do with the fact that I am president of the Latvia SIG. There was nobody
else to do it, so I am doing it. The two organizations are really
separate, even though the mission is the same.

I sense, that there is yet a third and higher grade of membership. It is
for those, who make the decisions for us. They moderate and monitor the
e-mail ,nd decide who is allowed access to our e-mail forum and what may be
said. It seems that to belong to the highest grade, a person must
contribute significant time and effort to LatvianSIG. I admire the good
people, who volunteer so much time and effort to make LatvianSIG a more
effective and productive tool for genealogical research and free exchange of
genealogical information, They rightly deserve our admiration and public
accolades,
But I also cherish the democratic rights of free speech for all of us, be we
1 . subscription members only, 2. paid up members, or 3. ruling members.

As for the third 'ruling class', there are three people (four, if you count
our former newsletter editor who is not on the mailing list) who have
basically carried the Latvia SIG >from its inception. As with many
membership organizations, many people are full of suggestions, but when it
comes down to doing any work, they are strangely absent. I would like
nothing better than to turn over the SIG presidency as of the next summer
seminar. It is far too time-consuming, and I just don't have the time
necessary to do the job properly. David Hoffman, co-chair of the
LitvakSIG, is semi-retired and devotes more time to the SIG than most
people spend at their full time jobs. I have avoided dealing with issues
of databases and other things which need to be done because I know these
are complex projects that take more time than I have to do them. I work
full time, and my job has been taking up an increasing portion of my time,
and I would like to leave some time for myself and my family (not to
mention my own genealogical research).

I have not been an active moderator, and have done absolutely NO screening
of messages--if you submit it, it gets distributed. The mailing lists have
only had moderation capabilities for the last several months, when
Jewishgen changed the software that administers mailing lists. Frankly, I
don't have the time to do real moderation, and so far, there hasn't really
been the need to do so.

I hope this addresses all the concerns that were raised. The dual
organization issue has always been somewhat ambiguous. It is Jewishgen
policy not to charge for mailing list membership--period. As long as there
are genealogists who do not have computers, there will be a need for a hard
copy newsletter (we also have a number of institional members, including
JGS's and libraries, who are subscribers), and the expenses which go with
that. The 'paid' SIG may also finance research projects or purchase
documents of general interest, should we accumulate enough money to do so.

Regarding comments on the newsletter, our web site has a full list of
articles published in back issues
<http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia/newsindx.html>, including articles on some
of the topics suggested by Prof. Hirschhorn. Back issues are available for
purchase by anybody, paid or otherwise. (note: Paid members receive all
issues for the year they have joined, regardless of when they join.)

Hope this clarifies the situation.

Regards,

Marion Werle
President, Latvia SIG

Visit the Latvia SIG web page: <http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia>

I feel compelled to reply to Prof. Harry J. Hirschhorn's e-mail regarding
the 'three grades of membership'. First of all, the Latvia SIG mailing
list is hosted by Jewishgen, and there is no fee for joining. The 'other'
Latvia SIG is a paid membership organization that was founded before the
mailing list was established (see the history on our web site). There are
membership dues largely because of the costs of printing and mailing our
quarterly newsletter (also called Latvia SIG). The membership organization
includes members who do not have computers, and do not have access to
e-mail or the World Wide Web. Our first newsletter editor was in this
category (currently about 75% of the membership is 'connected'), and was
very adamant about not giving information out for free. The compromise we
arrived at was to set a policy that no data would appear on the web site
without first being published in the newsletter.

I have done some spot surveys over the last couple of years, and have found
that there are a lot of people on the mailing list who are not paid
members, and that many paid members are not subscribed to the mailing list.
In fact, there are really two groups, with considerable overlap. In
addition, the fact that I am moderator of the mailing list has nothing to
do with the fact that I am president of the Latvia SIG. There was nobody
else to do it, so I am doing it. The two organizations are really
separate, even though the mission is the same.

I sense, that there is yet a third and higher grade of membership. It is
for those, who make the decisions for us. They moderate and monitor the
e-mail ,nd decide who is allowed access to our e-mail forum and what may be
said. It seems that to belong to the highest grade, a person must
contribute significant time and effort to LatvianSIG. I admire the good
people, who volunteer so much time and effort to make LatvianSIG a more
effective and productive tool for genealogical research and free exchange of
genealogical information, They rightly deserve our admiration and public
accolades,
But I also cherish the democratic rights of free speech for all of us, be we
1 . subscription members only, 2. paid up members, or 3. ruling members.

As for the third 'ruling class', there are three people (four, if you count
our former newsletter editor who is not on the mailing list) who have
basically carried the Latvia SIG >from its inception. As with many
membership organizations, many people are full of suggestions, but when it
comes down to doing any work, they are strangely absent. I would like
nothing better than to turn over the SIG presidency as of the next summer
seminar. It is far too time-consuming, and I just don't have the time
necessary to do the job properly. David Hoffman, co-chair of the
LitvakSIG, is semi-retired and devotes more time to the SIG than most
people spend at their full time jobs. I have avoided dealing with issues
of databases and other things which need to be done because I know these
are complex projects that take more time than I have to do them. I work
full time, and my job has been taking up an increasing portion of my time,
and I would like to leave some time for myself and my family (not to
mention my own genealogical research).

I have not been an active moderator, and have done absolutely NO screening
of messages--if you submit it, it gets distributed. The mailing lists have
only had moderation capabilities for the last several months, when
Jewishgen changed the software that administers mailing lists. Frankly, I
don't have the time to do real moderation, and so far, there hasn't really
been the need to do so.

I hope this addresses all the concerns that were raised. The dual
organization issue has always been somewhat ambiguous. It is Jewishgen
policy not to charge for mailing list membership--period. As long as there
are genealogists who do not have computers, there will be a need for a hard
copy newsletter (we also have a number of institional members, including
JGS's and libraries, who are subscribers), and the expenses which go with
that. The 'paid' SIG may also finance research projects or purchase
documents of general interest, should we accumulate enough money to do so.

Regarding comments on the newsletter, our web site has a full list of
articles published in back issues
<http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia/newsindx.html>, including articles on some
of the topics suggested by Prof. Hirschhorn. Back issues are available for
purchase by anybody, paid or otherwise. (note: Paid members receive all
issues for the year they have joined, regardless of when they join.)

Hope this clarifies the situation.

Regards,

Marion Werle
President, Latvia SIG

Visit the Latvia SIG web page: <http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia>

I have just received information on my GORDON
family, placing some of them in "POHOST not far

from Dahlinav" (is that perhaps Posthavy??) and

"BEHEMLE in Minsk county."

My information is in Hebrew and the two towns are
written:
pe-vav-he-vav-samech-tet
bet-ayin-he-ayin-mem-lamed-ayin

Anyone know anything about records in these towns?

Israel Pickholtz
Descendant of GORDON >from Dolginov/Dalhinav,
ROSENBLOOM >from Borisov, KUGEL >from Pleshchenitsy

I have just received information on my GORDON
family, placing some of them in "POHOST not far

from Dahlinav" (is that perhaps Posthavy??) and

"BEHEMLE in Minsk county."

My information is in Hebrew and the two towns are
written:
pe-vav-he-vav-samech-tet
bet-ayin-he-ayin-mem-lamed-ayin

Anyone know anything about records in these towns?

Israel Pickholtz
Descendant of GORDON >from Dolginov/Dalhinav,
ROSENBLOOM >from Borisov, KUGEL >from Pleshchenitsy

If anybody with database
experience (and I mean more than just creating an Access database on your
desktop PC for personal use) would like to volunteer to lead this effort
(Sid, are you out there???), please contact me.

I was under the impression that Michael Tobias developed the db for
LitvakSIG as he did for many Jewgen dbs.

iris

________________________________________
Iris
iris-macsie@...

If anybody with database
experience (and I mean more than just creating an Access database on your
desktop PC for personal use) would like to volunteer to lead this effort
(Sid, are you out there???), please contact me.

I was under the impression that Michael Tobias developed the db for
LitvakSIG as he did for many Jewgen dbs.

iris

________________________________________
Iris
iris-macsie@...

Iris, Joel, and everybody,

I was under the impression that Michael Tobias developed the db for
LitvakSIG as he did for many Jewgen dbs.

iris

Yes, that is true, but I am assuming that Michael Tobias has a life of his
own, and can't do everything himself. Don't forget that Jewishgen labor is
entirely volunteer. The more we know about what we want and how we want to
set it up, the better off we will be. Anything having to do with the data
collection and input will need to be our own (I believe that Susan King had
once told me that they can handle a variety of formats, but we can talk to
them about it). We can give the data to Jewishgen, and they can set up the
search engine, but the rest of it is up to us.

(>from Joel Jakobson):

With the Litvak discussion about "clarifications" of original data fresh in
mind, I have a suggestion to the building of a Latvian database:

The original documents should be scanned into a tif (or jpg or whatever)
format and each entry in the database (=name) be hyperlinked to the original
document. This would allow any researcher when finding a relative in the
database to also crosscheck the data with the scanned original source for
possible errors by us volounteers who have interpreted and typed in the
data. No matter how cautious we are there is always a risk for an accidental
mistyping which could be hazardous for the future researcher.

I have no idea if the idea of scanned documents would be just too time
consuming, or if the available space on hard discs is an obstacle. But a
good illustration is available in the Danish Emigrant Database (sometimes a
bit slow) at:

This is a possibility, but again, this depends on the number of volunteers
we have and how generous Jewishgen will be with disk space (remember,
nothing is free, and Jewishgen incurs considerable costs to provide its
services). Scanning is a very slow process, as anyone with a scanner will
tell you, especially if you have a lot to scan, not to mention that scanned
documents may require further editing (cropping, sharpening, etc.). This
is something that definitely bears looking into.


Marion Werle
President, Latvia SIG

Visit the Latvia SIG web page: <http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia>

Iris, Joel, and everybody,

I was under the impression that Michael Tobias developed the db for
LitvakSIG as he did for many Jewgen dbs.

iris

Yes, that is true, but I am assuming that Michael Tobias has a life of his
own, and can't do everything himself. Don't forget that Jewishgen labor is
entirely volunteer. The more we know about what we want and how we want to
set it up, the better off we will be. Anything having to do with the data
collection and input will need to be our own (I believe that Susan King had
once told me that they can handle a variety of formats, but we can talk to
them about it). We can give the data to Jewishgen, and they can set up the
search engine, but the rest of it is up to us.

(>from Joel Jakobson):

With the Litvak discussion about "clarifications" of original data fresh in
mind, I have a suggestion to the building of a Latvian database:

The original documents should be scanned into a tif (or jpg or whatever)
format and each entry in the database (=name) be hyperlinked to the original
document. This would allow any researcher when finding a relative in the
database to also crosscheck the data with the scanned original source for
possible errors by us volounteers who have interpreted and typed in the
data. No matter how cautious we are there is always a risk for an accidental
mistyping which could be hazardous for the future researcher.

I have no idea if the idea of scanned documents would be just too time
consuming, or if the available space on hard discs is an obstacle. But a
good illustration is available in the Danish Emigrant Database (sometimes a
bit slow) at:

This is a possibility, but again, this depends on the number of volunteers
we have and how generous Jewishgen will be with disk space (remember,
nothing is free, and Jewishgen incurs considerable costs to provide its
services). Scanning is a very slow process, as anyone with a scanner will
tell you, especially if you have a lot to scan, not to mention that scanned
documents may require further editing (cropping, sharpening, etc.). This
is something that definitely bears looking into.


Marion Werle
President, Latvia SIG

Visit the Latvia SIG web page: <http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia>

In a message dated 98-11-28 19:42:15 EST, gurtler@... writes:

Shtetl of Bochnia. I have been looking for any records or materials
relating to the this town located near Krakow. Any
help would be appreciated.

The Polish State Archives have the Bochnia birth records for the
following years:

1825, 1830, 1844, 1856, 1860, 1863-1869, 1878-1882

For information on how to order records >from the Polish State Archives
which have not yet been indexed by Jewish Records Indexing - Poland,
refer to Warren Blatt's
<A HREF="http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/polandv.html">PolandV</A>
infofile on JewishGen.

Stanley Diamond
Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

In a message dated 98-11-28 19:42:15 EST, gurtler@... writes:

Shtetl of Bochnia. I have been looking for any records or materials
relating to the this town located near Krakow. Any
help would be appreciated.

The Polish State Archives have the Bochnia birth records for the
following years:

1825, 1830, 1844, 1856, 1860, 1863-1869, 1878-1882

For information on how to order records >from the Polish State Archives
which have not yet been indexed by Jewish Records Indexing - Poland,
refer to Warren Blatt's
<A HREF="http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/polandv.html">PolandV</A>
infofile on JewishGen.

Stanley Diamond
Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland