Re: Did you go to a Jewish summer camp? #usa


I attended Camp Yungvelt in Pickering, Ontario, Canada, in the summers of 1958 and '59. It was a Workman's Circle camp attended by campers and staff from both sides of the border.
Ruth Chernia
Toronto, Canada

Re: Did you go to a Jewish summer camp? #usa


My brother and I attended Camp Kahagon, near Quakertown, PA in the late 50s.  What a wonderful experience.
Michael Diamant

Re: A Hungarian Office Title that Sounds Phonetically Like "Chang-er"? #hungary #germany


Hi Mr Miller                                              13th May 2022.

I-VP- share the thoughts of Marrianna Toth:

In my understanding:  Csendor--( Gestapo)  with two dots on letter 'o' 
in practice meant:
Csendor was     ( Csend--eerie silence--)
Or: Guardian--in practice--Enforcer 
The Guardian of the 'Silence' --
The enforcer of silence:
The presence of a Csendor--induced indescribable --merciless  fears--within Human beings

Never to be experienced by any human beings

Rendor--with two dots on letter 'o' The Guardian of the 'Order' 
The guardian of Everyday-life --like Police.

Wishing you all a wonderful Guth Shabboth

Veronika Pachtinger
20.Shirehall Lane 
London NW4 2PD

Re: Name Piroska and hebrew name- is it Penina or Pesl? #hungary #names


Hi ,                                       13th May 2022

I do not know--what matches : Piroska--?

I am aware-  my father's sister wasNee:   Piroska ---Paje--Friedman--married a Laszlo Fisher
They lived and   were deported from --EGER--to Stutthof Camp--and never returned.

Wishing you All a lovely Guth Shabboth
Veronika Pachtinger
London NW4 2PD

Re: Next Free JewishGen Webinar: Jewish Surnames and Patronymics: Tracing Your Ancestors Before They Had Surnames #JewishGenUpdates

David Mendoza

On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 11:15 AM, Avraham Groll wrote:
Anyone researching their Jewish ancestry prior to the 18th century encounters the challenge of identifying relatives with no family surnames.

I think they mean "Ashkenazi Jewish", rather than just "Jewish".   :)

Best wishes,

David Mendoza
President, Sephardic Genealogical Society

Dutch Sephardim: An interview with Professor Bart Wallet - Sunday meeting #announcements #sephardic


Early this year the eminent scholar Bart Wallet was appointed professor of
Jewish history at the University of Amsterdam. We have the privilege of
interviewing him.

We shall discuss the role of Sephardim in The Netherlands in the 19th
Century Jewish; the tension between Sephardic identity and cooperation with
Ashkenazim; the shifting meaning of Sephardic identity; the changing role of
the Western Sephardic diaspora in the 19th and 20th Centuries; and the role
of Sephardim in 20th Century Netherlands.

Prof. Dr. Bart Wallet is Professor of Early Modern and Modern Jewish
History, in particular of Amsterdam, at the University of Amsterdam. He is
co-editor-in-chief of Studia Rosenthaliana and an editor of the European
Journal of Jewish Studies. He is one of the editors and authors of
Reappraising the History of the Jews in the Netherlands (London 2021) and
has published extensively on subjects related to the history and culture of
Dutch Jewry.

The meeting is on Sunday 15 May 2022 at 11am in LA, 2pm NYC, 7pm London, 8pm
Paris/Amsterdam and 9pm Jerusalem. Patrons can join us on Zoom. The link is
shared at our Patreon page at: Everyone is
welcome to join us on YouTube at:

You can now watch last week's talk by Hugo Martins on The Portuguese Jews of
Hamburg. The History of a Mercantile Community in the Seventeenth Century.

Over the last two years Sephardic World has become the leading forum for
learning about Sephardic history and genealogy. We have no commercial
sponsorship or public funding. There is no charge to attend our meetings or
to view our content. If you are not a patron and can afford it, please
consider supporting our work.

Best wishes,

David Mendoza and Ton Tielen
Sephardic World
Sephardic Genealogical Society

Re: Name Piroska and hebrew name- is it Penina or Pesl? #hungary #names

Odeda Zlotnick

Penina is a Hebrew name.
Pesl is Yiddish.

I see no reason to chose one over the other.

The word "penina" is the Hebrew word for "pearl".  Are you 100% sure it's Pesl and not "Perl" that you're looking at? 

I'd say Pnina Perl is far more likely than Pnina Pesl.
Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.

JGS Toronto. Virtual Meeting. DNA SIG Q&A Workshop. Gil Bardige and Arthur Sissman. Tuesday, 24 May 2022, 7:30 PM ET. #announcements #jgs-iajgs

Jerry Scherer





Featuring our new JGS Toronto members,

Gil Bardige and Arthur Sissman

Tuesday, 24 May 2022, 7:30 p.m. ET
Virtual meeting:  View from home 

We are pleased to welcome Gil Bardige and Arthur Sissman, both recognized as experts in Jewish DNA (see bios below), as new members of JGS Toronto. These two DNA mavens will answer your questions and provide general mentoring on your DNA brick walls. 

Here’s an opportunity to submit your DNA questions so that our mavens can try to provide you with guidance by directing you to specific methods and tips to further your research. By submitting your questions for this programme, you agree, if necessary, to give permission to share your screen and the names of DNA matches and family tree members. This will allow others to benefit from observing the techniques used by our experts. We ask that you include as much information as possible with your question and indicate what research you’ve done.

We are pleased to announce that this DNA Special Interest Group (SIG) programme will be open for both members and non-members.  The DNA SIG is scheduled to meet at least 4 times per year. Future DNA SIG programmes may be open only to JGS Toronto members to allow for the interactive presentations and discussions that are the hallmark of our SIG meetings.

Gil Bardige, originally from Chicago, has been a genealogist for over 40 years and a Genetic Genealogist since 2007.  He has tested at the 4 major testing companies and is the Co-Admininsitrator of 3 projects at FTDNA including Jewish R1B and R-A11711 Subclade Projects.  He is Chair of the Columbus Ohio JGS, a volunteer at IAJGS Conferences (including the Program Committee), and Director of the Mentoring Program.  Gil is a firm believer that you can use DNA results as a tool in your genealogy research.  Over the last five years, he has regularly helped people navigate their DNA matches by speaking at dozens of Jewish Genealogical Societies. After his presentations, people say: “Thank you, Gil, I am no longer confused!"

Arthur Sissman has been engaged in family history genealogy since 1999 and genetic genealogy (DNA) since 2015. Arthur has built over 25 family history trees for his various family surname lines. In addition he has tested his autosomal DNA at all the major DNA testing companies, and his Y-DNA and MtDNA at FamilyTreeDNA.  Using his methods in DNA matching, Arthur has found relatives previously unknown to him and has built out one family history tree by 150 persons in 10 days. For information on Arthur’s Jewish Genealogy SIG monthly meetings and scheduled workshops, email genresearch13@....

To register for the 24 May DNA SIG event , please go

You will then receive an immediate acknowledgement plus the link to access the event on 24 May.

Note: the video recording of this event will be available to JGS Toronto members only.

If you would like to ask our speakers one or more questions for this progamme, please complete this questionnaire form and submit it by 16 May.  Our DNA mavens will try to get to as many questions as possible with priority given to JGS Toronto members.

To our guests: consider joining JGS Toronto for only $40.00 Canadian per year ($50 for couples) by Clicking Here, or consider a donation to JGS Toronto by Clicking Here to assist us in continuing our mission of providing a forum for the exchange of genealogical information. (Tax receipts are issued to Canadian donors.)




Tel 647-247-6414         twitter: jgsoftoronto

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Jerry Scherer

DNA SIG Co-Ordinator






Burial in Jaffa 1860s-1890s #israel


Hello all.

Yesterday I read that an ancestor, Moshe Steiner, (אברהם משה בן ראובן?) fell  ill traveling from Hungary to the Holy Land and was buried in Jaffa. I know he was alive in Vienna in 1861 and was no longer living in 1898. Is there a register of Jewish burials in Jaffa from that period?

David Dubin
Teaneck, NJ

SILBERSZAC, Łódź- Warsaw #poland

Yale Reisner


Dear JewishGenners:


The May 12, 2022 edition of the Polish newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza carried a legal notice announcing that the Regional Court of Central Warsaw (Sąd Rejonowy dla Warszawy-Śródmieścia), Sixth Civil Division, is seeking, on behalf of the State Treasury as represented by the Mayor of Łódź and the court-assigned curator for the individual named below, is seeking any heirs of:


Jakub SILBERSZAC, who was declared deceased on January 1, 1947 and whose last known address was on ul. Nalewki in Warsaw.  [Given the suspect January 1st death date and the fact that Nalewki Street was razed to the ground along with the Warsaw ghetto years before 1947, this information is rather dubious.]


Jakub SILBERSZAC held a 140/12600 share (!) of a property located at the corner of ul. Piotrkowska 45 and ul. Zielona 1/3 in the city of Łódź.  The property was formerly designated as “dz. ew. nr 393” and is now registered with the Regional Court of Central Łódź (Sąd Rejonowy dla Łodzi-Śródmieścia) as KW LD1M/00007569/9.


Any heirs of Mr. SILBERSZAC or those with information about such heirs is requested to contact the Warsaw Court within three months of the notice’s publication, citing Docket No. VI Ns 658/21.


Best regards,


Yale J. Reisner

Warsaw, Poland

JGFF #913980


Re: Did you go to a Jewish summer camp? #usa


My family could not afford summer camp for my siblings and me in the 1950s and 1960s, but I did attend a one week late summer "camp" sponsored by the North Carolina Association of Jewish Youth in Hendersonville, NC, across the lake from Camp Blue Star, the all summer Jewish camp.  For teens only, it was well done and a great chance to meet other Jewish kids, especially for those who, like me, were the only Jews in their schools.  I do not know how the adults became involved, but I am very grateful for the opportunity they gave us. 
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Name Piroska and hebrew name- is it Penina or Pesl? #hungary #names


I have a list of 15 children of an ancestor of mine that contains their Hebrew names (family is BAUMHAFT). I found a birth record matching the family with the first name Piroska. Using the Jewish Given Names database on Ancestry, I have narrowed down the possibility that it matches either Penina or Pesl. Which do you think is more likely? Any other suggestions for determining this?

Esther Kleinman

Re: Petah Tikva Cemetery - Segula update-found #israel #general

Madeleine Isenberg


There were STAMPFERs in the Los Angeles area.  Do you have them in your tree?  I took photos of some matzevot here.

Madeleine Isenberg
Beverly Hills, CA
Researching: GOLDMAN, STEINER, LANGER, GLÜCKSMAN, STOTTER in various parts of Galicia, Poland
(Nowy Targ, Nowy Sanz, Wachsmund, Dembno, Lapuszna, Krakow, Ochotnica) who migrated into Kezmarok or
nearby towns in northern Slovakia and Czech Republic (i.e., those who lived/had businesses in Moravska Ostrava);
GOLDSTEIN in Sena or Szina, Szkaros and Kosice, Slovakia; Tolcsva and Tokaj, Hungary.
GOLDBERG, TARNOWSKI in Chmielnik and KHANISHKEVITCH in Kielce, Poland

Next Free JewishGen Webinar: Jewish Surnames and Patronymics: Tracing Your Ancestors Before They Had Surnames #JewishGenUpdates

Avraham Groll

The entire community is invited to join us for our next free JewishGen Talks webinar:

Topic: Jewish Surnames and Patronymics: Tracing Your Ancestors Before They Had Surnames
Date: Wednesday, May 18th, 2022
Time: 3:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Registration: Free with a suggested donation. Please click here to register now

About the Talk
Anyone researching their Jewish ancestry prior to the 18th century encounters the challenge of identifying relatives with no family surnames. In this presentation, Dr. Thomas Fürth will demonstrate, using case studies, how these obstacles can be overcome.


About the Speaker
Dr. Thomas Fürth lives in Stockholm, Sweden and is the Associate Professor of History at Stockholm University. He serves as President of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Sweden (Judiska släktforskningsföreningen i Sverige) and the Genealogical Society of Sweden (Genealogiska föreningen) and is the Avotaynu Contributing Editor for Sweden.

Re: Narovlya #belarus

Sherri Bobish


Have you seen this JewishGen page?  Additional resources listed on lower right-hand portion of page.

Narowlya [Bel], Narovlya [Rus], Narovla [Yid], Narowla [Pol], Naroŭla, Naroulja, Narovlia, Rovlia     Region: Minsk

Also, a soundex search on town Narowlya in the JewishGen Unified Databases:
finds hits with town spelled Narovli.  For instance, 119 hits in 
Belarus Duma Voters Lists.

Hits in other databases also.  Note that a phonetic search on the town name was not so productive, so choose soundex (sounds like) from the drop-down menu.

Reminder--May 15 1PM Central, MNJGS will host Schelly Talalay Dardashti and Jennifer Mendelsohn #events #education #dna


Have you ever wished you could consult someone to make sense of a discovery or break down a brick wall? Facebook groups allow you the opportunity to access the knowledge of many. Join us on May 15th at 1:00 PM CT to learn how best to make use of this important resource at a virtual panel discussion on Jewish Genealogy Facebook Groups: A Valuable Resource in Family History Research. Schelly Talalay Dardashti will represent Tracing the Tribe-Jewish Genealogy on Facebook, and Jennifer Mendelsohn will represent Jewish DNA for Genetic Genealogy and Family Research.
The program will take place on-line via Zoom. For more information and to register go to
Questions can be emailed to MNJGS at
Members are free, non-members $5.
Payment can be made at
Liba Casson-Nudell
Minneapolis, MN
Researching: NOTKIN from Minsk, Hlusk, Gomel, Zlynka and CASSON/CHAZANSKI from Nemencine, Vilnius

Re: Ridley Road #unitedkingdom

Jeffrey Gandz

I need some help with a date.  I vividly remember standing on the sidewalk (pavement) of her shop on Ashton Old Road watching Oswald Mosley and his Brownshirts marching down the street. It must have been sometime in the 1950's or early 1960s but I can't remember the year.  Can anyone help me?  Thanks.

Jeffrey Gandz

Re: Ridley Road #unitedkingdom

Sheila Toffell

David Cantor, I agree! 
I grew up in Clapton, London E5. Both my parents worked for Joe Scott in his grocery shop in Ridley Road.  My husband's grandparents owned a dress shop across the street. His great aunt worked for a Kosher butcher at the other end of the market.  My mom left work when I was born, but my dad stayed with Joe until my parents invested in a shop of their own in Romford. So I knew Ridley Road well. In the 50's it was a vibrant place to be - everything from many Kosher food shops and stalls to the music stalls of the recent immigrants from the Caribbean. Everyone went to Ridley Road! The majority of men working in the market had fought in WW2, and that was only 12 years or so before things started getting nasty. No wonder that these men were very prepared to take on the fascists when they targeted Ridley Road. I remember my dad had a couple of knuckledusters in his tool box. One he had taken with him when he was called up to the army in case there were  some anti-semites in the ranks. There was another one that he started to leave in his coat pocket in the 50's. That was when he was working in Ridley Road. they were scary times.   For those group members in the US that need clarification of the movement of the Jewish population from NE London, you might want to compare it to the movement from the Lower East Side of NYC, then to Brooklyn and then out to Westchester or Long Island.  In London it was the East End to Hackney, Stamford Hill, Dalston, Stoke Newington etc and then out to the NW suburbs of London or to Ilford in the county of Essex to the North East of London  They were all "Moving on up" - that's all!  As a fellow Bergen County NJ  resident I  suggest the group member from Mahwah look up the info about the Bund in Bergen County, the discrimination, even written into deeds for houses, against Jews buying houses in certain Bergen County towns and the Hitler Youth encampment that was run in the 1930's on the hill behind the quarry near Riverdale on Rt 287, where they were brainwashing poor children to hate those who were not like them and whose parents fell for the free summer camp, new clothes and shoes and good food.  

Sheila Toffell

Re: ViewMate Interpretation Request #translation


I think, it's a Belarussian City of Slutsk,
See "Wikipedia":
Quick facts
Slutsk is a city in Belarus, located on the Sluch River 105 km south of Minsk. As of 2010, its population is of 61,400. Slutsk is the administrative center of Slutsk District.Wikipedia. 53.021842, 27.554904
Michael Ryabinky
Boynton Beach, FL

Re: change of surname #names #romania

Odeda Zlotnick

In fact, until required to by law in the middle of the 19th Century, most Romanian Jews didn't bother having family names at all, often preferring just to use patronymics,
In our family, the legend was GGF changed his surname from Sigler to Leizerovici.  The legend held until we started finding documents and gravestones.
In Vienna, where my Romanian GGF married my Galicia born GGM, his parents are registered as Leizerovici in the marriage documents.  So too is GGF's sister, who married said Galician GGM's brother.
And then we found GGF's father's gravestone.  GGF's grandfather was Eliezer, aka Leizer.  Leizerovici -- son of Leizer - was the original surname, not at all one made up at random.

Did you check if your great uncle didn't have a Leib among his ancestors?

Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.

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