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Re: Unable to identify town in "Russia" #russia

topaz1943@...
 

Thank you for your quick response.
Here is the census document from which I tried to interpret the name.
Warm regards
Dianne Moses


Re: Viewmate Translations Request Russian #translation

ryabinkym@...
 

VM98973
Ivan Andreevich Krilov
Was born February, 2, 1768
Died November, 9, 1844
Translated by Michael Ryabinky
Boynton Beach, FL


Re: New Jewish DNA From 14th Century Erfurt #sephardic #dna #germany

Kevin Brook
 

Josh Lipson got more precise on sample I13866 and determined that it is in the Y-DNA haplogroup J-ZS2622.

Leo Cooper thinks it is likely Judean/Israelite in origin.

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Kevin Brook


Re: New Jewish DNA From 14th Century Erfurt #sephardic #dna #germany

Yossi Jalas
 

Would be wonderful if someone can upload the samples to GedMatch and let us know the kit numbers.

Thanks in advance,
Yossi Jalas
USA


Synagogue "Linath Hazedeck" Frankfurt a.M. (1920-1939) #germany

Yaron Wolfsthal
 

Dear Group,
I am interested in information, photos, testimonies, anything about a synagogue by the name "Linath Hazedeck" that operated in Frankfurt (Langestrasse 38) in the interwar years and burnt and destroyed in Kristallnacht. 

This synagogue was operated by a family member.

Thank you - Yaron Wolfsthal, Israel


Pope Orders Online Release of WWII-era Pius XII Jewish files #announcements #general #holocaust

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

 

Pope Francis has ordered the online publication of 170 volumes of its Jewish files from the recently opened Pope Pius XII archives, the Vatican announced 23 June, 2022, amid renewed debate about the legacy of its World War II-era pope.

 

The documentation contains 2,700 files of requests for Vatican help from Jewish groups and families, many of them baptized Catholics, so not actually practicing Jews anymore. The files were held in the Secretariat of State’s archives and contain requests for papal intervention to avoid Nazi deportation, to obtain liberation from concentration camps or help finding family members.

 

The online publication of the files comes amid renewed debate about Pius’ legacy following the 2020 opening to scholars of his archives, of which the “Jews” files are but a small part. The Vatican has long defended Pius against criticism from some Jewish groups that he remained silent in the face of the Holocaust, saying he used quiet diplomacy to save lives.

 

The Vatican’s foreign minister Paul Gallagher said it was hoped that the digital release of the “Jews” files would help scholars with research, but also descendants of those who had requested Vatican help, to “find traces of their loved ones from any part of the world.”

 

“The requests would arrive at the Secretariat of State, where diplomatic channels would try to provide all the help possible, taking into account the complexity of the political situation in the global context,” Gallagher wrote.

 

Pulitzer Prize-winning historian David Kertzer, suggests that the people the Vatican was most concerned about saving were Jews who had converted to Catholicism, the offspring of Catholic-Jewish mixed marriages or otherwise related to Catholics.

 

To read more see: https://tinyurl.com/bd9fkhax

original URL:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/pope-orders-online-release-of-wwii-era-pius-xii-jewish-files/2022/06/23/bbae7410-f302-11ec-ac16-8fbf7194cd78_story.html

 

The Vatican’s Apostolic Archives are located at: https://www.archivioapostolicovaticano.va/content/aav/it.html

 

To access the previous postings about the Vatican Archives including Pope Pius Xll see the IAJGS Records Access Alert archives at: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts   You must be registered to access the archives. To register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert go to: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts.  You will receive an email response that you have to reply to or the subscription will not be finalized. It is required to include your organization affiliation (genealogy organization, etc.)

 

Jan Meisels Allen

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Re: New Jewish DNA From 14th Century Erfurt #sephardic #dna #germany

Kevin Brook
 

Moshe, the DNA extractions were performed from teeth. The rabbis' requirements included that the teeth were already detached, that the digging up of the graves wasn't done for the purpose of DNA analysis, and that the bodies be subsequently reburied. There are believed to be additional Jews buried in an extension of the cemetery beyond a fence (if i remember) and those were never dug up because they were beyond the construction zone so we can only guess at their DNA. But the existing DNA samples are plentiful enough and, as Adam Cherson is showing, can probably be used to study the genealogical kinship on particular lineages of rabbis where the matches are close.
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Kevin Brook


Re: Deciphering First Names In a Manifest #names

Odeda Zlotnick
 

On the manifest:
Mother: Maria
Father:  Yonas  [compare the first letter to the mother's place of residence]

In the detention list: Janos
--
Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.


Re: World War II - "Liberal" #usa

Susan&David
 

Could be Liberal, Kansas where there was an Army Air Field.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Army_Air_Field

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 6/23/2022 7:28 PM, Shlomo Katz wrote:
My wife inherited photos of her great-uncle during his U.S. military service in WWII, and many of them are labeled, by hand, "Liberal 1943."
 
If anyone has any suggestions of what that means or how to find out, please let me know.
 
Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring, MD


Re: New Jewish DNA From 14th Century Erfurt #sephardic #dna #germany

Moshe Berman
 

Hi Adam, this is fascinating. thanks for sharing!

Where can I learn more about the halakhic loophole? I couldn’t find it on the Twitter thread, and I think there may be others who are interested as well.

I’m also curious about the process of extracting this DNA from such an old sample.

Thanks!
Moshe Berman,
Boca Raton, Florida, USA


Re: New Jewish DNA From 14th Century Erfurt #sephardic #dna #germany

Adam Cherson
 

Kevin,

Thanks. Leo Cooper's read doesn't move the needle much at all. What a pity...

Here is a revised chart based on the connection of I13865 with the Maharam of Rothenburg (everything very tentative).

NB: The EU group includes y uniparentals T1a1a, J1a, and E1b1. I wonder how this would affect interpretation of that cluster's evolution.

--
Adam Cherson


World War II - "Liberal" #usa

Shlomo Katz
 

My wife inherited photos of her great-uncle during his U.S. military service in WWII, and many of them are labeled, by hand, "Liberal 1943."
 
If anyone has any suggestions of what that means or how to find out, please let me know.
 
Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring, MD


Re: New Jewish DNA From 14th Century Erfurt #sephardic #dna #germany

Kevin Brook
 

Adam,
Yes. Leo Cooper says his SNP analysis of that sample you asked about (I13866) places it within haplogroup J-Z2215.
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Kevin Brook


Re: New Jewish DNA From 14th Century Erfurt #sephardic #dna #germany

Adam Cherson
 

As I understand your analysis, you interpret the Erfurt EU group as having some Khazar ancestry via Knaanic populations. This must be then one of the main hypotheses going forward. I look forward to a paper on this someday (not by me!).

I wonder if you can dig up any insight on sample I13866 (y-called as J1a), appearing in the EU cluster. Is there a way to look at the SNPs in the BAM file for this sample to see if that y classification can be narrowed down a little?

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Adam Cherson


Compound last names from Detmold, Lippe Germany #germany

LMEIXLER@...
 

I am researching the last name "Jena" of my maternal Great Grandfather.  He immigrated from Ritschenwalde, Prussia [ Noe Ryczywo'l Poland].  There doesn't seem 
to be any records there of a Jena family earlier than about 1840s.  The only other Jena families that I could located were from Detmold, in Germany, but some of the last names were Jena and others were Michaelis Jena.  Does anyone have any thoughts on why some people would have just Jena and others Michaelis Jena in the same family?

    For example
Joseph Michaelis Jena Kornhändler und Particulierer   1788-1867 • LC3Z-K30
Marriage: 11 Nov 1818    Detmold, Lippe, Deutschland
Brendel Gerson Treuenfels   1800-Deceased • LC3Z-KDG
     ^ Children (6)
Herman Michaels Jena Kaufmann und Rent...   1825-Deceased • LC3Z-KST
Hannchen Jena   1827-Deceased • LC3Z-2NC
Särchen or Järchen Jena   1830-Deceased • LC3Z-2NN
Jacob Joseph Michaels Jena Kaufmann   1833-Deceased • LC3Z-K3C
Rika Michaelis Jena   1836-Deceased • LC3Z-2J0
Auguste Michaelis Jena   1840-Deceased •
                   LC3Z-2JK 

 Lew Meixler


Re: Arrival in Palestine in 1941 #israel

Rose Feldman
 

The Israel Genealogy Research Association has a database collection of over 2 million records starting in the mid 19th century. Registration is free and allows you to see if the names your are searching are in our collection. We suggest you use the phonetic search.

 

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Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year  
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Maharam of Rothenburg Matches 14th Century Erfurt Sample #dna #germany #rabbinic

Adam Cherson
 

Meir ben Borukh Rothenburg is in the Rabbinical Index under group R-A13358. Sample I13865 in the recently pre-printed Erfurt study (https://twitter.com/ShaiCarmi/status/1526850050772590592) is R-Y19847+, which means that the two lines are closely related on the R haplotree.

I cannot say for sure how close, because the ancient sample provide only limited SNPs for classification. However, it could be very close. The only thing that prevents me from saying that I13565 is in fact the Maharam of Rothenburg is the fact that the latter is buried in Worms and I13865 is from Erfurt.

The date of I13865 is estimated to be anywhere from about 1275 CE to 1398 CE. The Maharam is believed to have been born circa 1215 CE and lived until 1293 CE. Rothenburg ob der Tauber is about 115 miles SW of Erfurt.

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Adam Cherson


Re: New Jewish DNA From 14th Century Erfurt #sephardic #dna #germany

Kevin Brook
 

Adam,

For the handful of maternal and paternal haplogroups in Ashkenazim that are closely linked to the North Ossetians and Turkic peoples like Bashkirs -- I mentioned 3 out of the 4 haplogroups of this nature in JewishGen message #667951 -- I would posit anew the migrational path I had proposed decades ago whereby a small number of Khazars who remained Jewish were living in what became Kievan Rus' and became a part of East Knaanic Jewry, intermarrying with assorted Romaniote Jews and Mizrahi Jews, and subsequently mixing with other Jewish groups including West Knaanic Jews and Ashkenazic Jews.  The Khazars switched their language from Turkic to Slavic to Yiddish, and their writing system from Turkic runes to Cyrillic to Hebrew square script.

I cannot agree with your proposal that Turkic elements were incorporated into a Jewish community in southern Italy, such as a population of proto-Ashkenazim.  Modern Sicilian Catholics, who sometimes have several segments of Sicilian Jewish DNA, don't show Turkic admixture in the calculators nor do they have Turkic uniparental haplogroups.  There are no living people whose ancestry is 100 percent Sicilian Jewish so we can't test your hypothesis in the best way but I never saw a reason to believe they had relations with peoples from northern and eastern Asia, nor that any Khazar Jews or Avar Jews had moved into southern Italy, although small numbers of Khazar Jews did live at least temporarily in a more eastern area of the Byzantine Empire and in Spain.

As others have said, the Jews in 14th-century Erfurt were a very mixed group and some members had genetic affinities that others didn't, sometimes seemingly randomly, without a completely consistent pattern when it comes to non-Slavic elements like South Asian, North African, and even East Asian, other than for example the "EA_Devils_Gate" element that Michalis Moriopoulous incorporated into his custom Vahaduo model using G25 coordinates to determine the Erfurt Jews' admixtures.

4 of the Erfurt Jews from the Eastern Profile group scored that element whereas none of the Erfurt Jews from the Western Profile group did.  "EA_Devils_Gate" is a Northeast Asian cluster similar to modern Ulchi of far-eastern Russia and other Tungusic-speaking ethnicities and to also forming a minority portion of Koreans and Japanese but not found in most Han Chinese, especially not the Southern Chinese where Ashkenazim got mtDNA haplogroup M33c from.  So I think "EA_Devils_Gate" would be Turkic Khazarian in this case, and would be at the deepest root of the "Siberian" and "Mongolian/Manchurian" affinities for Ashkenazim in some calculators.

In Moriopoulous's experiment, some of the Erfurt Jews with "EA_Devils_Gate" don't score in the other East Asian element, "EA_Hanben", which appears to represent affinity to Hanben people from Taiwan, and visa versa.  The EA_Hanben element is in 10 of the samples, this time including members of both the Eastern Profile and Western Profile groups as well as among what Moriopoulous calls the Mixed Western-Eastern Profile.  In fact, the highest Hanben score (2 percent) is in a Western Profile sample (I13863).

Using Eurogenes K13's admixture estimates, Erfurt Jewish sample I13869 scores 3.08 percent Siberian and 2.06 percent East Asian, adding up to 5.14 percent. Her Siberian score is the highest of all the tested Erfurt Jews.

The only carrier of mtDNA haplogroup N9a3 (which probably originated with a Khazarian convert), sample I14740, scores 2.74 percent Siberian and 0.95 percent East Asian in Eurogenes K13. She has the third-highest Siberian score among these samples.

The authors of the Erfurt study cannot be correct in assuming that East Eurasian DNA came into Ashkenazim from a Slavic people.  There's evidence in these samples as well as uniparental evidence that Slavic DNA in Ashkenazim is related to the Slavic peoples of Czechia, Poland, and perhaps eastern Germany (e.g., the Sorbs in the 14th-century Krakauer Berg DNA samples), rather than to those of Russia or Ukraine.  Ethnic Czechs and Poles have very low East Eurasian DNA proportions so it can't explain what Ashkenazim have.

The Erfurt sample I14899 scores 0 percent Siberian and 0 percent East Asian but 21.37 percent Baltic in Eurogenes K13.  This disparity would show what some of us already knew that the Slavic and East Eurasian elements in Ashkenazim don't come from the same ultimate non-Jewish source population if we went back to the 10th century.  But the Slavic-admixed and Eastern-admixed Jewish populations would have started intermarrying a short time after that.

The Erfurt sample I13862 scores modestly in the East Eurasian elements but has 18.25 percent Baltic, again all per Eurogenes K13.
--
Kevin Brook


Re: Unable to identify town in "Russia" #russia

Chloe Kogan
 

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 03:31 AM, <topaz1943@...> wrote:
Valkacreszr
Hi Dianne,

I was able to find this website that mentioned a nearly identical town name:

Valacreszr, Russian Poland

https://british-jewry.org.uk/leedsjewry/getperson.php?personID=I0012654&tree=1

The RUSSIAN Poland makes me even more confident that this could be the town you're looking for. I'm replying publicly just in case this could be of use to anyone else looking for this town.

Best of luck,
 
--
Chloë Kogan
Arizona, USA
Email: KoganAncestry@...

Researching:
  • KOGAN (Tarutyne & Kakhovka, Ukraine):
    • Great-grandparents Bentzion (b. 1871; sochet, cantor, soapmaker; murdered Kakhovka 1941) & Frieda nee BERCOVICI (b. Akkerman, Ukraine), and their children Joseph (Montreal, Canada), Riva / Rebekah (Moscow), Israel (Moscow), Blyuma (murdered Kakhovka 1941), Moisey (killed at the front near Kiev 1941), Unknown child.
  • FISHER / FISERAS (Anyksciai, Kupiskis, Skapiskis, and Utena, Lithuania):
    • Searching for my paternal grandmother's brother, Jankelis / Jankel / Jacak / Yaakov FISHER / FISERAS (born ~1899 in Utena) & wife Sonia nee PICKER / PIKERAITE (born ~1898 in Anyksciai), and their children.


Re: Unable to identify town in "Russia" #russia

Hap Ponedel
 

Diane,

I agree with Angel. Perhaps you could post a screenshot of the text here.
Otherwise, here is a page from the JewishGen gazetteer that has many hits on it for Volkacreszer: https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/gazetteer/gazetteer.php?Town=Volkacreszer&Country=AU|BO|HR|EZ|EN|HU|LG|LH|MD|PL|RO|RS|LO|SI|UP&Miles=MILES&cl=capital&stype=D&accnt=Y&HttpVerb=Post

Once you can secure the name I would like to find a historical map of the area for you. You may be able to use the map to understand the immediate environment around the town/village.

Hap Ponedel
Eugene, OR
hapsky@...
http://easteurotopo.org/

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