Re: Triangulated DNA matches and Pile-up Areas #dna

Adam Cherson


I'm not a 'degreed' geneticist but have been working as a private researcher for many years. What I am about to say is only my perspective based on experience. In addition to the possibility of pile-up zones, there is another aspect and that is the length of and number of triangulating segments. In your example I see a 6.6 cM segment and do not know whether this is the only one for the group.

My view is definitely in the 'more is better' camp. In my work I tend to disregard anything under 7 cM and especially if it is the only triangulating segment for the group.This is all the more so when one considers that many of the chip-reading programs use something called imputation, which is in effect a way of filling in gaps between segments to make them appear longer.

As with all genetic analysis I feel much more secure when triangulation results are supported by other evidence, both genetic and non. For example I tend to be accept smaller triangulation segments when the overall amount of matching is consistent with the degrees of relationship I am trying to prove for the various group members.

Genetic analysis is often somewhat impressionistic and I don't think anyone can say for sure that this or that segment length is or is not significant. I look at your example this way: if you remove the pile-up zone from consideration, you have a triangulation of about 2.4 cM, which is below what most people, including myself consider significant. Therefore, if this is your only evidence of common ancestry for the group I wouldn't consider this result as proof. If it is only one of several other types of evidence then it could lend a tiny bit of support to the hypothesis.

There is a blog and discussion dedicated to segment analysis which may discusses such matters as segment length and pile-ups in greater detail and may provide you with valuable information: You may want to re-post your question there for additional opinion and discussion.

Adam Cherson

LANDAN, Rabka-Zdrój, Poland #poland

Yale Reisner


Dear JewishGenners:

The June 28, 2022 edition of the Polish newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza carried a legal notice in which the Regional Court in Nowy Targ, First Civil Division, announced that the Court, at the request of one Elżbieta Urbańczyk-Fiorucci, is seeking the heirs to a number of properties located in Rabka-Zdrój.  The properties are identified as:

dz. ewid. nr 515 [LWH 252];  nr 523 [LWH 252]; nr 527 [LWH 252]; nr 535 [KW NS2L/00011086/0]; nr 563 [KW NS2L/00011086/0]; nr 590 [LWH 172]; nr 597 [LWH 252]; nr 601 [LWH 172, 252, 756]; nr 603 [LWH 252]; nr 2715/2 [KW NS2L/00011086/0]; nr 2718 [LWH 252, KW NS2L/00011086/0]; nr 3709/1 [KW NS2L/00011080/8, KW NS2L/00010511/2], all located in Rabka-Zdrój.

The notice lists the names of nearly fifty individuals who are thought to have shares in these properties.  Of all the names listed, only one appears to be Jewish.  The Jewish co-owner is:

Chana LANDANOWA (i.e. Mrs. LANDAN).  Since Rabka-Zdrój is a spa town, Mrs. Landan might have lived in Rabka-Zdrój or might have lived elsewhere and just owned a vacation home there.  Unfortunately, the Court offers no further details about her.

If you are an heir to Mrs. Landan or you have information pertinent to this matter, the Court asks that you make contact within three months of the notice's publication.  In contacting the Court, please make reference to Docket No. I Ns 523/22.

Best wishes,

Yale J. Reisner

Warsaw, Poland

JGFF #913980


Re: Searching for Riuva/Rivka/Sonia Levine or Levine #russia #belarus

Michele Lock

The spelling 'Riuva' is likely due to a miss-hearing; it could well be Rivka or Rifka. 

Have you looked for other persons with the surname Levine living in Northern Ireland in the early 1900s, in the town (or towns) where your great grandmother lived? It is more than likely that she lived with family when she first came to your country, and probably lived with family up until the time she married. Just be aware that Levin/Levine is a common Jewish surname, and not all persons with this name are related.

The record of a Rivka Levin born on June 6, 1895 - I would get an image the original record (whatever it is), to see if there is any more information on it that might be useful to you. 

As someone else above mentioned, there is always DNA testing. If Rivka had siblings, the great grandchildren of those siblings would be third cousins to you, and some of them might show up as DNA matches, if you and they test at the same company.
Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Rabinowitz in Papile, Lithuania and Riga, Latvia
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus

GEWERC, Lublin, Poland #poland

Yale Reisner


Dear JewishGenners:

The June 29, 2022 edition of the Polish newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza carried a legal notice announcing that the District Court of Lublin West, Eighth Civil Division, is seeking the heirs of 

Berek GEWERC, son of Lejbuś & Szyfra (née GOLDMAN), former resident of Lublin, who died March 31, 1942.

Berek Gewerc owned a 3/80 share in an apartment at

ul. Archidiakońska 6 / ul. Grodzka 7, Apt. 7C in Lublin, registered as Parcel No. 79/1, consisting of 0.099 hectares.

The Court calls upon any heirs to Berek GEWERC to make themselves known to the Court within three months of the publication of the notice,  Anyone contacting the Court in this matter should make reference to Docket No. VIII Ns 341/21.

Best wishes,

Yale J. Reisner

Warsaw, Poland

JGFF #913980



Triangulated DNA matches and Pile-up Areas #dna

Lee Jaffe

I would appreciate help to determine whether a cluster of triangulated DNA matches is significant or whether it is negated because it is in a pile-up region.  
In the example from MyHeritage, I've identified four people who match me on the same segment – Chromosome #2   88,474,256 - 105,231,018
All of the individuals have fairly strong matches to me, enough that I already considered them higher priority on their own.  The possibility of identifying four matches with a suggestion that we  share a common ancestor might be a useful clue in solving some of my brick walls.

However, I recently attended a DNA workshop where the instructor mentioned that matches in pile-up areas were not useful.  According to the chart I copied, there is a common pile-up area on Chr #2 starting 85,304.243 and ending 99,558,013  As you can see there is some overlap with the triangulated segment I am investigating.  BUT, the triangulated segment isn't completely within the pile-up area where the examples shown during the workshop were entirely within the pile-up area.  Therefore, I wonder ...

Is the triangulated segment significant or not? 

I've found a number of good guides about pile-up areas and also those discussing triangulation but I haven't managed to find anything which relates one to the other.  I'm hoping members of the list can answer this or point me to a source which provides the answer.  I quit Facebook a year ago, so I don't have access to the relevant groups there.  I've tried to join JewishGen's DNA Testing mailing list but haven't yet managed to navigate that resource.  

Thanks in advance for your help,

Lee David Jaffe
Surnames / Towns:  Jaffe / Suchowola, Poland ; Stein (Sztejnsapir) / Bialystok and Rajgrod ; Roterozen / Rajgrod ; Joroff (Jaroff, Zarov) / Chernigov, Ukraine ; Schwartz (Schwarzstein) / Ternivka, Ukraine ;  Weinblatt / Brooklyn, Perth Amboy, NJ ; Koshkin / Snovsk, Ukraine ; Rappoport / ? ; Braun / Wizajny, Suwalki,  Ludwinowski / Wizajny, Suwalki


Conversation about Bessarabia #announcements #bessarabia

Cassio Tolpolar

It's this Sunday! Please join me in this special event where I will answer questions about my film and have a conversation about genealogy and much more.
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US-Brazil-Moldova | 55 minutes | 2014
Portuguese, Russian, Romanian, Yiddish with English subtitles
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Join us on Sunday, July 3,2022
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Cassio Tolpolar

DP Camps in Cyrpus #holocaust


I am looking for lists of  Shoach survivors who were in Cyprus on the way to Palestine/Israel.
My greataunt immigrated after the war from Cluj and arrived in Haifa Israel in 1948. I am trying to trace her steps from Cluj and Haifa. (source: Arolsen Archives)
I am trying to search this site but have not found any records (I have searched in English and Hebrew).
Does anyone have tips or ideas for searching this website?
Is anyone aware of other databases/sources to search? 

Thank you all for sharing your wisdom
Deborah Barany
Deborah Barany, Ph.D.
Barany Educational Consulting, LLC

Deborah Barany

Kozelets Family Lists from 1888 Are Translated #ukraine #translation

Beth Galleto

Dear fellow researchers,

Tax censuses (family lists) from the Kozelets uezd (district) in 1888 have now been translated and transcribed as part of the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project.

The lists include 169 numbered families made up of 1,136 individuals. Among these families there are 157 surnames. I have extracted these surnames and attached the list to this email. The original pages can be seen online on the FamilySearch website in FHL film 1409779, item 4. 

So far this project has translated tax censuses from six Chernigov uezds in 1882, and from ten uezds in 1888. Data from all except the most recently translated of these lists can be accessed through the JewishGen search page.

Search for your surnames of interest from the lists that have been uploaded by entering each name in the JewishGen Unified Search. When the results page appears, click on those listed for the heading "Ukraine Revision Lists". (The tax censuses or family lists are not actually revision lists, but they are similar enough to be categorized under this heading.)  

Those who donate $100 or more to the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project on the JewishGen website are eligible to view the completed spreadsheets before they are uploaded to the website. Please contact me with proof of your donation if you want to see any of the finished spreadsheets. All donations of any size are appreciated and will continue to advance the project. You can donate through the following link:

Next to be translated will be tax censuses from the Glukhov uezd in 1888.

Best wishes,

Beth Galleto,
Project Leader


question regarding records #records

Diane Friel

Thanks for looking at my request.
I am searching for information about Szimon/Sime Kukielka/Kukialka (1858-1898)and Chaja Kosowski/ Kosowska/Kossowski (1856-1930).
JRI Poland has a record of their marriage. Szimon was widowed and had a child from a previous marriage, but that child is not the subject of my search.
I am interested in finding records of children born to Szimon Kukielka and Chaja Kosowska. I have a DNA match with a woman whose grandfather, Joseph Kukiolki, came to the US in 1907. Ship’s manifest listed him as Chie Josef Kikiolki. He married Tillie Levine in 1921 - on marriage certificate 24858 his name is listed as Joseph Kuck. On that document, Father’s Name is Simon and Mother’s Name is Chaja. Unfortunately, a stamp covers his mother’s maiden name. But I believe it corroborates that he is the son of Szimon Kukielka and Chaja Kosowski. Eventually he changed his name to Kook.
I have another document requesting a military headstone for Joseph. It was requested and signed by a Benjamin Cook, who says he was Joseph’s brother. I haven’t found any documents about Benjamin that state his parents.
So I have two men who look to be the children of Szimon and Chaja but I can’t find data from the Jewish websites to verify. Most of the Kukielkas in my family came from Chmielnik, but this family appears to have resided in Sobkow.
Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks so much.
Diane Ricks

Mitchell Kagan #usa

Angie Elfassi



On Ancestry I have  a 2nd-3rd DNA match with a person named Mitchell Kagan.


He has not been on Ancestry for over a year. I would very much like to contact this gentleman.


If anyone knows this gentleman, I would be grateful if you could forward him my email address.


Thanks in advance.



Angie Elfassi



RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds

COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds

MAGIDOVICH, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds

KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds

MULVIDSON, Rezekne, Latvia/Sweden

GREENSTONE, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds

ITMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/USA


KANTOR, Sakiai, Lithuania

GOLDBERG, Sakiai, Lithuania
GELBERG, Kamianka-stromilava, Lvov, Poland

ELFASSI, Settat, Morocco


RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds
COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds
MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds
KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds
MULVIDSON, Rezekne, Latvia/Sweden
GREENSTONE, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds
ITMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/USA
KANTOR, Sakiai, Lithuania
GOLDBERG, Sakiai, Lithuania
GELBERG, Kamianka-stromilava, Lvov, Poland
ELFASSI, Settat, Morocco

Re: DNA help #dna

Bob Smiley

You may also want to join the Facebook group "Jewish DNA for Genetic Genealogy" at
Bob Smiley
Kirkland, Washington USA

ViewMate translation request - Polish #translation

Dror Bereznitsky


I've posted a marriage record in Polish for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address -

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much,
Dror Bereznitsky

Re: Seeking Friedman Descendants #usa

Awesome Properties

I'm also looking for Friedman family.
My GG grandfather was Alexander Zisha / Joszef Friedman. He was born in Sarcai / Sarbi Romania.4/25/1864.   His parents were Marton and Hinda. His first wife was Rose Ekker. Looking for his descendants . Family of his children with Wife #1:
Also Looking for Descendents of children of , Mili/ Mirl Leitman,Wife #2 
Levi and Ignac ( my ggrandfather was Eliyahu/ Andor)
I'd love to find my GGG father's family,
Information on burial spot for Alexander Zisha Friedman. . He died 4/28/1925 in Oradea, Romania.
Thank you for your help and input
Rachel Malik
FRIEDMAN Sarbi , Margareten and Oradea Romania
LEITMAN Saniob, Oradea Romania
TESZLER Barsana Romania
MOSKOVIC Hustkoz, Hungary now Nankovo Ukraine


Re: Chaim Moskovitc Hustkoz Hungary now Nankovo Ukraine #hungary #ukraine #records

Mark Friedman

Nankovo is in Transcarpathia, Huszt region, Ukraine. 
The records are stored in the state archive in Uzhgorod ( Ungvár).
I recommend to contact Mr Bela Huber, he is a local researcher and he has access to the archive. 
His contacts can be found on Jewishgen researchers list. 
Highly recommended

Mark Friedman . 

Re: Chaim Moskovitc Hustkoz Hungary now Nankovo Ukraine #hungary #ukraine #records

Sherri Bobish

Hi  Rachel,

Have you seen these records?
Chaje, born 12-Mar-1889
father - TESZLER, Majer / Leb from Barczanfalu
mother - MASKAVITS, Leja from Barczanfalu

Jakab, born 07-May-1897   (died 12-Oct-1898)
father - TESZLER, Leb from Barczanfalu
mother - MOSKOVICS, Leia from Huszt
Father butcher, age 42; mother age 36. Child died 1898

Paula, born 20-Jan-1899
father - TESZLER, Leb from Barczanfalva
mother - MOSKOVICS, Laja from Husztkoz
Father butcher, age 43; mother age 37

Amalia, born 25-Dec-1900 (died 31-Dec-1900)
father - TESZLER, Leb - from Barczanfalva
mother - MOSKOVITS, Laja from Husztkoz
Father butcher, age 45; mother age 39

Zsofia, born 23-Dec-1901 (died 28-Jan-1903)
father - TESZLER, Leb from Barczanfalva
mother - MOSKOVITS, Laja from Husztkoz
Father butcher, age 45; mother age 43

Szima, born 8-Mar-1904
father - TESZLER, Leb from Barczanfalva
mother - MOSKOVICS, Laje - Husztkoz
Father butcher, age 48; mother age 46.

Zseni, born 2-Jun-1906
father - TESZLER, Leb from Barczanfalva
mother - MOSKOVICS, Laje - Husztkoz
Father butcher, age 49; mother age 47
See above site for records of deaths of several of their children.

This may also refer to your Lea. 
CHAJMAVICS probably referring to her father being Chaim.
Seindel, born 1890, died 1891 in Barczanfalu
father - TESZLER, Majer / Leb - hometown Barczanfalu
mother - CHAJMAVICS, Lea - hometown Nankif [Nankovo]

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala, Lith.); LEFFENFELD / FINK / KALTER (Daliowa & Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BLEIWEISS (Tarnow & Tarnobrzeg, Pol.); WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.); SOLON / SOLAN / SOKOLSKY (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / BLUMENKRANZ / APPEL / WEINER / ROSENBERG (Vysoko-Litovsk, Brest, Biala Podlaska)

Re: DNA help #dna


Post your questions on this site, there are many people here who have plenty of experience with DNA.
Stephen Schmideg
Melbourne, Australia

Re: Searching for Riuva/Rivka/Sonia Levine or Levine #russia #belarus


She wasn't buried in a Jewish cemetery. She married a Protestant man before her death in 1958 and was buried with him in Omagh in Northern Ireland. I haven't been able to find any birth certificate, death certificate or marriage certificate for her. All I have is a photo of her headstone, my grandfather's birth certificate and some undated photos of her.

The headstone also says she was born in Goumin in Minsk. Someone from Belarus told me this could be because she was saying Humen (Yiddish for Ihumen - as it was known at the time) and was misunderstood by English speakers. 

I found a Rivka Levin who was born on the same day as her (June 6) in 1895 on but I don't know if this was her. I'm guessing her name was more likely Rivka or Rifka but the English person wrote her name as "Riuva" because she couldn't understand her accent. 
AC Calvert

Re: Alternates for first name Blimah #names


My wife was born in a DP camp after the war and was named Bluma after her late grandmother. When she migrated to Australia and went to school the other kids called her Bloomers so she anglicised her name to Betty.
Geoff Ackerman

USHMM Make Holocaust Related Ukrainian Archives Available Online #announcements #records #ukraine #usa

Jan Meisels Allen



The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM) has made Holocaust-related Ukrainian Archives available on line with special permission from the Ukrainian State Archives. This results in 10 million pages of records that will be accessible online for the first time.

The first one million pages are now searchable at

Original URL:


These archives include historical materials from before, during and after the Holocaust. They include collections topics such as:


  • The activities of Jewish political, cultural, educational and philanthropic organizations;
  • information about individuals, census data, vital statistics, lists of names, personal files, etc.;
  • pogroms during the Russian civil war, closure of synagogues and dissolution of Jewish communities by the Soviet authorities, demographic and statistical information and other documentation;
  • the Nazi German administration in occupied Ukraine and Ukrainian auxiliary police;
  • Jewish ghettos;
  • postwar developments, such as Soviet investigations of war crimes committed by Germans and their allies on the occupied territories, return of evacuated populations, restitution of Jewish property and war crimes trials and Soviet antisemitism.


With one of Europe’s largest pre-war Jewish populations, Ukraine was the site of critical events in Holocaust history, including the beginning of Nazi Germany’s systematic mass killings of Jews after the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941. At least 1.5 million Jews were killed within Ukraine’s current borders.


To read the press release see:


Thank you to Phil Goldfarb, President, JGS Tulsa, for sharing this information with us.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee



Re: Alternates for first name Blimah #names

Helen Kon

As far as I know, Blima is a Yiddish name and not a Hebrew name. Blima means flower. Blanca as I know it means white.

Helen Kon
New York City, NY

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