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Pre-WW1 and Earlier School Books from Husiatyn #galicia

Yaron Wolfsthal
 

Dear Group,
Gymnasium year books were published in Austrian empire during the 19th century. These are known to be genealogical resources of high value. They can be found in some of the the digital libraries of Poland.


Recently, I came across a high school book from Husiatyn, published for the year 1912/1913:

 https://pbc.rzeszow.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?showContent=true&id=5160

Sprawozdanie Dyrekcyi Polskiego Gimnazyum Prywatnego z prawem publiczności w Husiatynie za rok szkolny 1912/13

 
The form of the book suggests that it is one of many such books issued in Husiatyn (which was an important Jewish community before WW1).

Has anyone come across other/earlier annual school books from Husiatyn?  

Thank you - Yaron Wolfsthal, Israel


Re: Using given names to find populations of common descent #names

clucenti@...
 

Hi Bob,

I have also noticed this and have been taking advantage of it in my own research. I’ve been following these patterns in families with the same surname using the same combinations of given names. I’ve also used it in examining unusual/unique given names and given name combinations to identify families from the same general region that may be related to one another in earlier generations. Interestingly, it has led me to the same cluster of towns, and to repeated marriages between the same group of families sharing unique given names.

Regards,
Cary Pollack
Tamarac, Florida, USA


Re: Searching for Riuva/Rivka/Sonia Levine or Levine #russia #belarus

Sherri Bobish
 

AC,

Her name Rubimova may be Rubinov.
Rubimova probably being the feminized version of the name.

Try searching at The JewishGen Belarus Database:
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Belarus/

Use a soundex search on surname Rubinov, as the vowels can shift, i.e. Rabinov.
Also could have an "f" or "w" at the end instead of "v," i.e. Rabinof, Rabinow.

I see the name Rubinov in records from Minsk, but also from Gomel in Belarus.  I wonder if the town Goumin on her stone could actually be Gomel?
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1943559

Best regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Joseph Maneson town in Hungary #hungary

Marianna Toth
 

I see that Sherri Bobish was a minute quicker, and later I also found Biełaja Cerkow
best
Marianna Toth


Re: Using given names to find populations of common descent #names

Herb Weisberg
 

The Washington Post had an interesting article Friday July 1 by Andrew Van Dam on "How Amateur Genealogists Helped ShatterMyths about Immigrants."  Ran Abramitzky with Leah Boston analyzed US census data in which people and families could be traced across generations to look at how changes occur.  According to the article, their book "Streets of Gold" focuses particularly on economic change and adult success.  But near the end of the Washington Post article there are is an interesting discussion on first names:
"Given the limitations of census data, cultural assimilation is harder to measure. But Abramitzky, himself an immigrant from Israel, noticed something about his own family. When he was new to the United States, he gave his first son a typical Israeli name, Roee. Friends and teachers struggled to pronounce it. For each subsequent kid, Abramitzky and his spouse tried harder to find names that fit their culture but sounded more familiar to American ears — first Ido and, finally, Tom.

The economists found the same pattern in the census data. The longer they were here, the more likely immigrant parents were to pick less-foreign names for their children. That correlates closely with other measures of assimilation, such as intermarriage and proficiency in English.

By the time Ellis Island-era immigrants had been in the United States for 20 years, they already had closed half the “foreign name gap” with native residents. For today’s immigrants, birth records from California — one of the biggest modern name databases available — show an identical pattern."
Herb Weisberg

 


Re: Joseph Maneson town in Hungary #hungary

Marianna Toth
 

It is a Russian city, not Hungarian
(seems something like Belaja etc.)
best regards
Marianna  Toth


Looking for Joseph OBERMEYER Who Died In South Africa #southafrica #general

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners,

Joseph OBERMEYER was born in Baghdad in 1871 to the scholar Jacob OBEMEYER who was teaching then at the Alliance school there. He returned with his father to Vienna around 1881

where his father started a new family in 1886. He was spotted in Antwerp in 1890 and the family lore(on the Baghdadi side)has it that he travelled to South Africa where he died quite young and

alone. Did not find anything in JOWBR or in the South African National Archives. Does it ring a bell? Thanks

Jacob Rosen

Jerusalem


Re: Joseph Maneson town in Hungary #hungary

Sherri Bobish
 

Marilyn,

Bila Tserkva, Ukraine is my guess, since the town on the nat looks like "Bulaja Cyertkow," note that two of the alternate names of this town are Belaja Zerkow & Biała Cerkiew:

https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1035624

Bila Tserkva [Ukr], Belaya Tserkov [Rus], Shvarts-Timeh [Yid], Bila Zerkwa [Ger], Biała Cerkiew [Pol], Sde Lavan [Heb], Shwartz Timme, Belaja Zerkow, Belaia Tserkov, Biala Tserkov

Region: Kiev


Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

Searching:
RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala, Lith.); LEFFENFELD / FINK / KALTER (Daliowa & Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BLEIWEISS (Tarnow & Tarnobrzeg, Pol.); WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.); SOLON / SOLAN / SOKOLSKY (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / BLUMENKRANZ / APPEL / WEINER / ROSENBERG (Vysoko-Litovsk, Brest, Biala Podlaska)


Re: Searching for Riuva/Rivka/Sonia Levine or Levine #russia #belarus

alanacalvert@...
 

Thanks very much for flagging this Sherri. After a fair bit of trial and error I’ve managed to find her death certificate.

Seems her legal name was Sarah Rubimova Levin (married to a McQuaid) when she died (but has Sonia on her headstone?). They weren’t married in NI it seems so need to keep hunting for a marriage certificate.
--
AC Calvert


Re: Using given names to find populations of common descent #names

David Oseas
 

The Social Security Administration's website has a list of popular given names by decade.  However, it only starts in 1880: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/babynames/decades/

Regards,
David Oseas


Re: Searching for Riuva/Rivka/Sonia Levine or Levine #russia #belarus

Sherri Bobish
 

AC,

Have you seen this site regarding Northern Ireland civil registration records?
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Northern-Ireland-civil-registration.html

If you haven't yet, try searching for her marriage & death certs.

Best regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: question regarding records #records

Sherri Bobish
 

Diane,

I assume you are looking at this on-line scan of the marriage cert?
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/9314588

Looking at his mom's maiden (with a magnifying glass), to me it looks something like KOSOWITZ.  Even when names are easier to read on vital records I have seen names written with much more variation from the actual name.

Benjamin's 1922 marriage cert does not give mom's name.  Gives father as Samuel.
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/11918071

Another document that should have his mom's maiden name (although not 100% guaranteed) is Joseph's original SS5 (Social Security application.)  Joseph would have filled this out in the mid-1930's.  Some are transcribed on-line in this Ancestry database:
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60901/

I don't see Joseph's name, but you can try searching the database yourself.  You can also request his SS5 (it is not free), instructions here:
https://www.ssa.gov/foia/request.html

You can also search for the SS5 of Benjamin.

On Joseph's WW11 card he lists his brother Benjamin at 623 Avenue S in Brooklyn. 
On the 1940 census Benjamin is at 619 Avenue S.
Benjamin COOK, born about 1894.  
wife - Sarah, born about 1900.
children:
Seymour, born NY, about 1926.
Melvin, born NY, about 1930.

Benjamin's WW11 card gives his name as Benjamin KUCK, address 623 Avenue S, born Melnick (probably a mispelling of Chmielnik.)

Joseph's nat papers give his birthplace as Keltz (Kielce.)

Chmielnik, Sobkow & Kielce are all very close.  I'm sure there was a lot of back & forth between these towns.

I see that Joseph and Benjamin served in The U.S. military.  You might try obtaining their service records.  I do not know if parents names will be there, but you never know what clues you may find. https://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records

Death certificates should have mom's maiden name, but remember that is second hand information.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

Searching:
RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala, Lith.); LEFFENFELD / FINK / KALTER (Daliowa & Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BLEIWEISS (Tarnow & Tarnobrzeg, Pol.); WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.); SOLON / SOLAN / SOKOLSKY (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / BLUMENKRANZ / APPEL / WEINER / ROSENBERG (Vysoko-Litovsk, Brest, Biala Podlaska)


Re: DP Camps in Cyrpus #holocaust

DBarany
 

Hi Rose,

I have searched the IGEA collection (and I am a member).  It sent me to Bintivey Ha'apala. I am having trouble navigating that website. If you have any tips or tricks that would be great. I speak, read, and write Hebrew which might help.  I also need tips and tricks for the JDC collection. There is a possibility that my greataunt never went to a DP camp. It is not documented in her records from Arolsen Archive- any thoughts on that theory?

 

I am also wondering if there is a way to get her marriage and death certificates from Israel.

Elef Hodot- Shabbat Shalom
Deborah Barany
--
Deborah Barany
deborahbarany@...


Re: question regarding records #records

Shelley Mitchell
 

I find the first helpful documents for immigrants is their Naturalization Petition. It includes name changes. Another is the burial records of Joseph’s parents. It might also help to get the death certificate. 


Shelley Mitchell, NYC


Sending payment to Zhytomyr State Archives #ukraine

Lina Goldberg
 

Hi there,

I've need to make a small payment to the Zhytomyr State Archives in Ukrainian currency (UAH). For some reason Wise/Transferwise will not let me make the transfer through them (they seem to be only allowing payment to personal cards in Ukraine), and none of my banks offer payments in UAH. The archives say they cannot accept payment in another currency.

Does anyone have any experience making payments to the Zhytomyr State Archives? If so, how did you do it? 

Lina

--
Lina Goldberg
thecuckootree.com


Re: Using given names to find populations of common descent #names

Peggy Mosinger Freedman
 

There is an interesting graduate student thesis on a similar topic - how Ashkenazi names were Americanized - that includes a statistical analysis of immigration records (for the Yiddish name) and censuses and city directories for the American name.  It is very dense, and I haven't read it all.  You can find it yourself at:
From Rochel to Rose and Mendel to Max: First Name Americanization Patterns Among Twentieth-Century Jewish Immigrants to the United States (cuny.edu)

I have the same question as Robert about names in Austria Hungary.  The given names Herman and Jacob and David appear frequently in the SPIELBERGER family.  But I cannot tell if it is one Spielberger family or several families that took the same surname.  Some of the families "daughtered out" so the DNA is inconclusive.

If anyone knows of an article about "Most Common Given Names" in the 19th Century, please share it!

Peggy Mosinger Freedman
Atlanta, Georgia, USA


Joseph Maneson town in Hungary #hungary

Marilyn Levinson
 

I am trying to read, with no luck the town in which my ancestor was born.  I have attached a copy of his declaration of intention, and wonder if any one can decipher the name of this place.  Thank you for your help.
Marilyn Levinson
Spring Lake NC


Major new Andrzejewo records extraction project launched #poland #records

steven@...
 


Long-time Andrzejewo and area researchers will be pleased to learn that Jewish Records Indexing - Poland has undertaken a huge new “Phase 3” project to fully extract all Andrzejewo birth, marriage, and death records from 1826 to 1935 (births up to 1921). To carry out this major initiative, we also have acquired scans (digital images) of currently available Andrzejewo records in the Łomża branch of the Polish State Archives (up to 1910).

 

As Town Leader, it would be my pleasure to send you a full description of the project and explain how you will be able to obtain the extracts of your family records as they become available and before they go online.

 

I look forward to hearing from you.

 

Steven Zedeck

Town Leader, Andrzejewo Phase 3 extraction project


Re: DNA help #dna

Theo Rafael
 

Facebook is THE place for DNA discussions. There are quite a few groups on the subject and some very knowledgeable people. I haven't found any other forum which such breadth and depth. Even browsing existing discussions can be very helpful, and one can also pose new questions and get people's input.
As someone already mentioned, it's up to you to divulge (or not) any info about yourself on FB and you could use such an account strictly for genealogy research for instance and ignore other aspects of FB if you're so inclined. To really be in control though you need to learn the intricacies of privacy, notifications etc, it's quite a lot of detail if you start from scratch.
Good luck!

Theo Rafael


Re: DP Camps in Cyrpus #holocaust

Rose Feldman
 

Have you tried the IGRA collection? We don't have everything but we do have somethings.  Also try the JDC collection.  Remember the same name can appear with different spellings, so do to typographical errors or not understanding the pronunciation.
--
Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year  
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy

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