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Re: Hebrew Translation #translation

Relly coleman
 

גדיל גדול can also come from גדליה 
Relly Coleman


Re: MyHeritage Adds Historical Record Collection From Vienna Free Access to Search; Adds 1 Million Norwegian Emigrant Registers Free to Search #announcements #austria-czech #records #scandinavia

krausj2@...
 

I found records for my grandmother's uncle, Michael Rosenman, filling out paperwork for a branch of the family I know little about. The application was dated May 13, 1938; too late to be of much good, I'm afraid. I believe his son Egon was killed in the Holocaust a few years later. His wife was also dead by then, but I don't yet know how.

Thanks for sharing the word on this.
--
Joe Kraus
krausj2@...


Thank you #general

mutticampbell@...
 

I've been a member of this site for a while now and I want to say thank you. Sources of information mentioned by people in posts opened up new lines of enquiry for me.  This has resulted in us contacting descendants of family members we thought had been lost in the holocaust.  I'd prefer not to provide details other than to say, they all survived and we hope to meet the descendants.  Thank you again, your posts have great value to more people than just those who ask the questions you are answering.

Caroline Campbell


Re: Shtetel Searching for Gribnetz, Belarus - Birth Place of Uncle #belarus

Dr.Josef ASH
 

Bill, here it is:
village Grebenets
11 km to Cherven'
70 km to Minsk
GPS координаты: N 53° 37' 4.8" E 28° 29' 41.28"
https://www.komandirovka.ru/cities/hrabyanyets/ This site is in Russian, sorry

Josef Ash


Re: NOVOPOLTAVKA, Ukraine question from Asya Zlatina #ukraine

estherahr@...
 

My great aunt's marriag ename s was Zlatin. Her husband was M.Zlatin and thier son Miron (Yoni) ZlatinThey lived in Orscha, near Vitebsk.Are they relatives of yours? Please reply to my email:  estherahr@...
Esther Rechtschafner


Re: Triangulated DNA matches and Pile-up Areas #dna

Eva Lawrence
 

 

Like Lee, I've got really interested in the theory of triangulation. Ive been trying to think if it in the abstract as a mathematical problem.

.In the abstract. it just depends on two lines of ancestors meeting in a single point, another ancestor  - but there's no such thing as single ancestor. It takes two to make a baby.  Each point on your tree is a node,  A person's DNA is just the track of one line of their enormous tree,  going back to 'Adam' or a Neanderthal man but also to  Eve or Neanderthal woman..

Triangulation can only find a node from their ancestral line which also lies on someone else's ancestral line if the line is reflected in their DNA -or in their paper records..

Geometrically a line is defined by two points. Lee put the (very partial) back history of 11 people, A to G who share one segment of DNA into a black box - the algorithm used - and it searched the rest of their DNA to find a second piece (a series of numbers representing  chromosomes)  that existed on one of the other sets of DNA.. . ie a second point where the lines cross.  But it's no surprise if the algorithm doesn't find one, because its existence is almost independent of the first piece - like the second throw of a dice theoretically doesn't depend on the previous throw

The further back you go, the more widely the net of ancestors has spread,  but only a small proportion of  lines is recorded as leading  back to each of the initial list of matches (who were people on a database, but nodes in the abstract)  and provides the information on which the triangulation algorithm reports.

My second  thought was that it was not just a single line, but as Adam Cherson pointed out, at some nodes two lines back are possible because both parents have inherited that piece of DNA. But unless they were identical twins (!)  there must be some difference in their make-up that takes the DNA line back unequivocally to another node. 

It is only because communities were limited in size  that triangulation has any success.

Eva Lawrence

St Albans, UK

 
 

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Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


Re: ViewMate Translation Requests - Polish and Russian #translation

ryabinkym@...
 

VM99075

In Russian:

 

#560

Состоялось в городе Лодзь 10 (23) июля 1907 года в 11 часов утра. Явился Габриел Сегал, местный заместитель равина и в присутствии свидетелей Абрама Хобера, 57 лет и Якова-Меера Тайвеля, 34 лет, оба -  религиозные служащие, жители города Лодзь и объявили, что вчера, в 8 часов вечера, в городе Лодзи был заключен религиозный брачный союз между Пинкусом Годелем, холостым, 23 лет, торговецем, рожденным и живущим в городе Ласк, сыном Леи-Хены (возможно) Годель, урожденной Вайнберг с Ройзей Годель, девицей 24 лет, дочерью Арона и Миндли, урожденной Шотлянд, супругов Годель, живущей с родителями в городе Лодзь. Браку этому предшествовали 3 предбрачные оглашения опубликованные в Лаской синагоге 13, 20 и 27 января и в Лодзинской синагоге 12, 19 и 26 мая сего года. Новобрачные объявили, что они не заключали между собой брачного договора. Акт сей по прочтении нами, равином и свидетелеми подписан. Остальные свидетели неграмотные.

Габриел Сегал

Абрам Хобер

Яков-Меер Тайвель

Президент города Лодзь Подпись

 

Translated into English:

 

#560

It took place in the city of Lodz on July 10 (23), 1907 at 11 am. Gabriel Segal, the local deputy rabbi, appeared and in the presence of witnesses Abram Khober, 57 years old and Yakov-Meer Tayvel, 34 years old, both religious officials, residents of the city of Lodz and announced that yesterday, at 8 pm, a religious marriage took place between Pinkus Godel, single, 23 years old, merchant, born and living in the city of Lask, son of Lea-Hena (possibly) Godel, nee Weinberg with Royza Godel, maiden 24 years old, daughter of Aron and Mindlya, nee Shotland, spouses Godel, living with her parents in Lodz. This marriage was preceded by 3 prenuptial announcements published in the Laska synagogue on January 13, 20 and 27 and in the Lodz synagogue on May 12, 19 and 26 of this year. The newlyweds announced that they did not conclude a marriage contract between themselves. After reading this act, we, the rabbi and the witnesses signed it. The rest of the witnesses are illiterate.

Gabriel Segal
Abram Hober
Yakov-Meer Taivel
President of the City of Lodz Signature

Translated by Michael Ryabinky
Boynton Beach, FL


Re: How do I get original record image from JewishGen? #records #ukraine

mvayser@...
 

Barbara,
The record states that Yakov was born to Shmul (registered in Kherson) and Ester-Malka on June 8. The birth record on Jewish Gen is 735.  There are no patronymics listed for the parents, but it's very likely that Shmul's father was Leyb.  Yakov was married in 1913 to Klara, daughter of Mordko Brodsky.  They had daughters Liya and Dina.

You can find the image here: https://archive.od.gov.ua/wp-content/uploads/metrics/Цифровий%20фонд%20користування/daoo_ri_f39/daoo_ri_f39_5_20/0111_0.jpg

Mike Vayser


Re: Zembin = Zjembin #belarus

jokrohn1@...
 

My gg grandfather was a Moshe Pudnos. As far as I know he had 2 brothers: Menachem Mendel and tzvi Hirsch. Only TZvi Hirsch( Harry) came to the US.  I do know a bout his 2 wives and their children.  He was from Zembin and had many daughters. Alte Yehudis, Hinda, Pesha and Sarah. Does this sound familiar?

Yosepha Krohn


Re: Hebrew Translation #translation

Yechiel Deutsch
 

Whether it's misspelled or not, it definitely looks like the name on the stone is 'גדיל', which is commonly used as a nick name for 'גד' (Gad). It is often spelled גד'ל, but גדיל could still be a correct way of spelling it - just like the names 'Perl' which is spelled פערל or פעריל, same is 'Shmerel' with שמערל or שמעריל, and many other names..
Also, on the second line it definitely says 'וגם בעלה' which means 'and also her husband', and that must be an error, as it should say 'וגם אשתו' - 'and also his wife'.
All the best 
Yechiel Deutsch 
London 


How do You Want to be Remembered? A conversation about Jewish Ethical Wills by Dr. Lesley Simpson #jgs-iajgs #announcements #events

Marguerite Kealey
 

Sunday July 10, 2022

1-3 pm PT

Zoom Meeting

 

 

Dr. Lesley Simpson will explore three primary questions: (1) What are ethical wills, (2) What is the origin of this tradition and (3) Why do people write them? Since this will be an interactive session, once you have registered; you will have access to her handout.  This handout will guide you in contributing to the conversation. Dr. Simpson will ask the participants, “If you were to leave your own Ethical Will, briefly describe what you would want it to say” In addition. Dr. Simpson invites you to share and reach out to her if you have a letter you would like to share or need more detail prior to the presentation at jewishethicalwills@...

 

Dr. Lesley Simpson is a Canadian writer, and a former journalist for Canadian daily newspapers. Her PhD research explores Jewish ethical wills and paradigms of Jewish memory. She is collecting new material to create a contemporary repository of these extraordinary letters for a new book. Dr. Simpson is searching for letters that have not been published. She is working on a collection that will feature new Jewish voices from around the world.

 

To register for the presentations, go to our website Welcome to the San Diego Jewish Genealogy Website (sdjgs.org) and follow the registration directions.   This is a free event for members.   
Non-members: We ask for a small donation

Marguerite Kealey, Publicity Chair
San Diego Jewish Genealogical Society
San Diego County, CA


Re: Jacob Altman murder NYC #usa

Susan&David
 

There is a death notice for his wife, Helen Ocko Altman. in the NY Times of Aug 12, 1995.  Her surviving daughter Randy and two granddaughters are identified.

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 7/4/2022 11:58 AM, Renee Steinig wrote:

Dr. Jacob Altman's office was in Manhattan. 

A New York Daily News article about the murder is attached (20 Oct 1981, page 5).

A possible source of information on the crime:

His grave and his wife's (Helen) are pictured on FindAGrave:

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
genmaven@...


On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 8:41 AM Diane Patrick <dianespatrick@...> wrote:

My grandmother’s nephew, Jacob Altman, was found murdered in his office in Oct. 1981. He was bound and gagged. The office was located at 315 W 55th St. I don’t know the borough in NY. I believe his wife was Helene and he had a daughter. I think her name was Randy. I am curious if the murder was ever solved. Any information would be appreciated.

Diane Stein Patrick



Re: NOVOPOLTAVKA, Ukraine question from Asya Zlatina #ukraine

Gary Pokrassa
 

Asya
you say you see your GM surname - can you read Cyrillic or did you see that in a surname list attached to the file posted on the wiki by Alex Krakovsky?
That revision list from 1858 sounds like it is exactly the document you are asking about...if you can find the actual record for that surname it will give you the entire household on the one page.

If you can't read cursive here is a slide from my IAJGS presentation - use this methodolgy


--
 
Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division


Re: Jacob Altman murder NYC #usa

Yehuda Rubin
 

Not sure how much this will help, but I believe Manhattan is the only borough that has a 315 W 55th St.
Perhaps try contacting the municipal archives or police department records.
--
Yehuda Rubin
Lakewood, NJ
yehudazevrubin@...


Announcement - JGSIG July Meeting Tues July 12 2022 1-2:30 pm EDT Zoom RSVP #jgs-iajgs #records #announcements

Arthur Sissman
 

Announcement - JGSIG July Meeting  Tues July 12 2022 1-2:30 pm EDT Zoom RSVP 

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Jewish Genealogy SIG

 

Hi all,

 

Its summer and it is hot in FL, hope it is better where you are.

The July JGSIG meeting will feature a variety of items.

 

  1. Some searches I have recently conducted and the varying results.  But the process is interesting.  I will be using the following websites in the demonstration if you need to download and have access to follow along: RootsSearch (chrome extension) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/rootssearch/aolcffalbhpnojekmimmelebjchjmmgn  Ancestry.com and Stevemorse.org 
  2. Some and explanations of how you might use spreadsheets in your research, both to gather  data, and organize the data. I will provide a handout after the Zoom meeting with links to appropriate websites and added info, to those who attend the meeting.
  3. There will be a recording send to attendees as well.

 

If you want to attend, send an email to genresearch13@... 

 

If you are new to the Jewish Genealogy SIG, I need the following info to send you a Zoom link:

  1. Your name
  2. Your email address
  3. Your location
  4. Your phone # 

 

You will receive an acknowledgement and the link will arrive 2-3 days before Tues 7/12/22!

--

Regards,

Arthur Sissman

Jewish Genealogy SIG of Collier/Lee Co FL

genresearch13@...

genresearch13 @yahoo.com (copy and close space in email format to send email, if necessary)
954-328-3559

Join our FB page at Jewish Genealogy SIG: https://www.facebook.com/groups/hellojewishgen

Genealogy Wise page: http://www.genealogywise.com/profile/ArthurSissman

 

Researching: ZISMAN/ZYSMAN/ZUSMAN (Belarus); TELESHEVSKY (Belarus); CHANUTIN, (W. Russia), BRODY, (Hungary); FRIEDMAN, (Hungary); GRAUBARD, (Romania/Ukraine), Aaronson (Romania/Ukraine)

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Shtetel Searching for Gribnetz, Belarus - Birth Place of Uncle #belarus

Bill Rubin
 

Searching for the location of Gribnetz, Belarus.
According to my uncle's 'Petition' Citizenship paper (1921), he was born in Gribnetz, Russia, which today, according to where the family lived, should be in Belarus near Igumen (now Cherven), Belarus.  His WWII draft registration card (1940's) has him listing his birthplace as Igumen.

Thanks,

-Bill Rubin
Belmont, MA, USA

Seliba, Belarus - RUBINCHIK, NISHNEVITZ, KOOSHUK/ KUKUSCH

Igumen/Chervon, Belarus - RUBINCHIK, NISHNEVITZ, POLISHUK, GRENGLAZ

Puchowitz, Belarus - RUBINCHIK, NISHNEVITZ, POLISHUK, GRENGLAZ

 

 

Eishishok - SCHRIBER, FINESCHRIBER, SKOLNICK

Lida -  CHIGOROVICH/KHIGOROVICH, FURMAN, GORAVICH, HOROWITZ,SCHRIBER, SKOLNICK, WOLCHUCK

Vasilishki- KOSHINEVSKY/KOSCHETZINEVSKY, CHIGOROVICH, HOROWITZ

Zeludock - KOSHINEVSKY /KOSCHETZINEVSKY,

 

 

LESSOR - St. Louis, New York, New York, southern states

ROSEBERG – St. Louis, New York, New York

LITMAN - Kiev, Ukarine

MYERS – London, Liverpool

 


Zolotonosha and Belozerie in the Ukraine #ukraine

Felissa Lashley
 

I have just recently learned that my grandfather, PINCUS LISHINSKY,
lived in these two places during his childhood. I have not been able
to find out much about these two communities and wonder if anyone can
suggest a source for more information please. Thank you for any
suggestions. I also would like to find a photo.

Felissa Lashley
frlashley@...
Austin, TX

Researching: MOZER/MASUR/MAZOUR; LISHINSKY/LESCHINSKY;
DROBITSKY/DORBIN; ZATULOVSKY/SATLOFF


Re: MyHeritage Adds Historical Record Collection From Vienna Free Access to Search; Adds 1 Million Norwegian Emigrant Registers Free to Search #announcements #austria-czech #records #scandinavia

Odeda Zlotnick
 

I contacted MyHeritage support - looks like they've fixed it.



And when you click on fullscreen, you can scroll through all pages - I had one dossieer with 23 pages I could scroll through all.

A second recommendation: search for all the names in each questionnaire - I've seen correspondence from a person mentioned on one questionnaire appear in the file for other family memebers.

Heartbreaking to see "We all want to leave together; as quicly as possible" when you know some of them eventually died in camps.


--
Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.


Re: Jacob Altman murder NYC #usa

Renee Steinig
 

Dr. Jacob Altman's office was in Manhattan. 

A New York Daily News article about the murder is attached (20 Oct 1981, page 5).

A possible source of information on the crime:

His grave and his wife's (Helen) are pictured on FindAGrave:

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
genmaven@...


On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 8:41 AM Diane Patrick <dianespatrick@...> wrote:

My grandmother’s nephew, Jacob Altman, was found murdered in his office in Oct. 1981. He was bound and gagged. The office was located at 315 W 55th St. I don’t know the borough in NY. I believe his wife was Helene and he had a daughter. I think her name was Randy. I am curious if the murder was ever solved. Any information would be appreciated.

Diane Stein Patrick


Death March 31/1/1945 from Konigsberg to the Baltic sea #holocaust

bat2@...
 

I'm doing a research of the above Death march.
If somebody has information about that Death March, or knows of descendants of it
I would like to contact these persons in order to see what they know.
Please answer privately. 
Thanks,
Ephraim Koplowicz, Israel
bat2@netvision.net.il

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