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F. Marmor #general

DAIZYDO0
 

About a year ago, there was a message (and I can't remember whereI saw it)
about a Yizkor placque for a Faiga Wiatrak. That is the name of my
ggrandmother >from Radom, Poland. I emailed her, but never got a reply. I
tried twice again and got a message that after four tries, it was unable to
be delivered. The person I am trying to contact is Florence Marmor. Can
anyone help me?

Harriet Rosen
New York
email: daizydo0@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen F. Marmor #general

DAIZYDO0
 

About a year ago, there was a message (and I can't remember whereI saw it)
about a Yizkor placque for a Faiga Wiatrak. That is the name of my
ggrandmother >from Radom, Poland. I emailed her, but never got a reply. I
tried twice again and got a message that after four tries, it was unable to
be delivered. The person I am trying to contact is Florence Marmor. Can
anyone help me?

Harriet Rosen
New York
email: daizydo0@aol.com


Gesher Galicia Winter 99 Publications Sent #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero <rpollero@...>
 

NOTICE TO MEMBERS OF GESHER GALICIA:

The Winter 1999 Editions of The Galitzianer and Gesher Galicia Family
Finder have been published and mailed to members who have paid their
1998-9 dues.

Editor Barbara Krasner-Khait has produced the new 36 page issue of
The Galitzianer, featuring Krakow, and Editor Peter Zavon's latest
Family Finder has 88 pages of information!!!

If you haven't yet sent in your renewal form and check, please do so
now in order to receive the above publications. Send to:

Gesher Galicia c/o Shelley Pollero
549 Cypress Lane
Severna Park, Maryland 21146 USA

In addition, we are now preparing the Spring Galitzianer. If you
have any corrections to your contact information (address, phone,
fax, e-mail), please send by e-mail to Peter Zavon at
<pzavon@compuserve.com> as soon as possible for the Finder update.

To those who have an interest in Galicia but have not yet joined
Gesher Galicia, consider doing so. The dues are $20 per year for USA
and Canada and $27 per year for overseas. New members who join at
any point during the year receive all issues published during 1998-9.

To find out more about our SIG and get a membership form, you may:

Visit our website <http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/>

OR

Send a blank email message to <ggalicia@jewishgen.org> for our
InfoFile/Membership Form which you will receive by automated return
e-mail.

If you have any questions, please let us know.


--
Shelley Kellerman Pollero
<rpollero@umd5.umd.edu>
Severna Park, Maryland
Gesher Galicia Coordinator

Researching in Galicia: KELLERMAN (Brzozow, Sanok); BLECHNER (Dukla,
Rymanow, Cergowa); BIRNBACH, KAMPEL, ROSER, GROSS (Judaszowka,
Rudnik, Nisko, Lezajsk)

Elsewhere: BASSIOR, BECHER (Zamosc); TENENBAUM (Kobrin); COHN,
LEKHERZAK (Vitebsk)


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Gesher Galicia Winter 99 Publications Sent #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero <rpollero@...>
 

NOTICE TO MEMBERS OF GESHER GALICIA:

The Winter 1999 Editions of The Galitzianer and Gesher Galicia Family
Finder have been published and mailed to members who have paid their
1998-9 dues.

Editor Barbara Krasner-Khait has produced the new 36 page issue of
The Galitzianer, featuring Krakow, and Editor Peter Zavon's latest
Family Finder has 88 pages of information!!!

If you haven't yet sent in your renewal form and check, please do so
now in order to receive the above publications. Send to:

Gesher Galicia c/o Shelley Pollero
549 Cypress Lane
Severna Park, Maryland 21146 USA

In addition, we are now preparing the Spring Galitzianer. If you
have any corrections to your contact information (address, phone,
fax, e-mail), please send by e-mail to Peter Zavon at
<pzavon@compuserve.com> as soon as possible for the Finder update.

To those who have an interest in Galicia but have not yet joined
Gesher Galicia, consider doing so. The dues are $20 per year for USA
and Canada and $27 per year for overseas. New members who join at
any point during the year receive all issues published during 1998-9.

To find out more about our SIG and get a membership form, you may:

Visit our website <http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/>

OR

Send a blank email message to <ggalicia@jewishgen.org> for our
InfoFile/Membership Form which you will receive by automated return
e-mail.

If you have any questions, please let us know.


--
Shelley Kellerman Pollero
<rpollero@umd5.umd.edu>
Severna Park, Maryland
Gesher Galicia Coordinator

Researching in Galicia: KELLERMAN (Brzozow, Sanok); BLECHNER (Dukla,
Rymanow, Cergowa); BIRNBACH, KAMPEL, ROSER, GROSS (Judaszowka,
Rudnik, Nisko, Lezajsk)

Elsewhere: BASSIOR, BECHER (Zamosc); TENENBAUM (Kobrin); COHN,
LEKHERZAK (Vitebsk)


ENLIGHTMENT-MOSES MENDELSSOHN #galicia

Andreas Inhofner <inhofner@...>
 

Dear SIGgers,

Re Brody, (+Lemberg, +Tarnopol): Heard an interesting interview on
Austrian radio with a Professor >from Wisconsin University. Didn't hear
his name, but he speaks perfect German, wrote a book about Moses
Mendelssohn and the Enlightment (Haskalah).

Brody was one of the centers of Enlightment in former Galicia. They
were called The Berliners and my greatgf Adolf Aron NUSSBAUM "German
doctor", like Mendelssohn, resided in Berlin. He was the father of
composer Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy.


Regards >from Vienna, Austria, Andreas inhofner@netway.at (new address!).

Searching for NUSSBAUM, GUTTMANN, CZECHER, KULKA, KORNFELD, LOEW,
HIRSCHHORN.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia ENLIGHTMENT-MOSES MENDELSSOHN #galicia

Andreas Inhofner <inhofner@...>
 

Dear SIGgers,

Re Brody, (+Lemberg, +Tarnopol): Heard an interesting interview on
Austrian radio with a Professor >from Wisconsin University. Didn't hear
his name, but he speaks perfect German, wrote a book about Moses
Mendelssohn and the Enlightment (Haskalah).

Brody was one of the centers of Enlightment in former Galicia. They
were called The Berliners and my greatgf Adolf Aron NUSSBAUM "German
doctor", like Mendelssohn, resided in Berlin. He was the father of
composer Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy.


Regards >from Vienna, Austria, Andreas inhofner@netway.at (new address!).

Searching for NUSSBAUM, GUTTMANN, CZECHER, KULKA, KORNFELD, LOEW,
HIRSCHHORN.


Re: Translation #germany

Evgeor@...
 

Dear Magda!
The meaning of H.Gy.E. is Honv=E9d Gyalogos Ezred. In English approximate=
ly
Footsoldiers' Regiment.

George Harsanyi.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Translation #hungary

Evgeor@...
 

Dear Magda!
The meaning of H.Gy.E. is Honv=E9d Gyalogos Ezred. In English approximate=
ly
Footsoldiers' Regiment.

George Harsanyi.


Yad Vashem names (fwd) #hungary

Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
 

"Louis Schonfeld" <lmagyar@en.com> 1999.03.15. 12:56:11 -5h-kor irta:

Apropos of the discussion regarding the Hungarian Holocaust Names Project-

A list of Holocaust victims should be available
on the internet before we even begin to mobilize for a similar effort to do
the same things for Hungarian Jews.

UGY: I don't want to underestimate the inertia of a robust organization, like the
YV, especially when it is financed >from German Holocaust reparation monies.
Just think about the debates concerning the grandious plans of the Berlin
Holocaust Memorial. A loose network, like H-SIG, which is totally voluntary can
not undertake tasks similar to YV. But it is true the other way around!

UGY: I percieve H-SIG as a network of Jewish Genealogists of specific interest in
the former Hungarian Kingdom. Therefore, the Hungarian Holocaust Names
Project won't be a mere reproduction or duplication of the YV project. The DB
should contain data relevant to all of us - genealogists!

I won't impose my opinion on the sig
UGY: Your opinion is very important and has a great weight in the discussion. I
think it is not a matter is imposing your opinion, but contributing your thoughts,
arguments, insights and opinion.

[LS: when extracted >from the total message and without the necessary context to soften its meaning, the words "I won't impose my opinion on the sig" sounds imperious. I regret the choice of these words; and since UGY gives my viewpoint such credence it would be more representative of my view to state - I won't proffer an opinion on this matter.]

I have an alternative proposal. This morning I had a telephone conversation
with Stanley Diamond the head of the JRI-Poland project, and he was enthused
about the idea of a JRI-Hungary project. For those of you not familiar with
the JRI-Poland project I suggest you visit their web site to learn about
this ambitious undertaking. Eventually, it will allow us to create a
computerized, searchable database of all the births, marriages, and deaths,
recorded on the microfilms of the Mormons and the Hungarian National
Archives.

UGY: I think it is a very worthy and ambitious project! But why alternative?

[LS: I only have a simple response to this question. Enthusiasm in the fulfilment of a Mitzvah is a virtue (Hiddur Mitzvah or if you prefer Zerizus). However, our ability to do justice to both projects simultaneously doesn't seem possible at this time. As a number of you are, I too am a child of the Holocaust. For the first fifteen years of my life I had contact almost exclusively with Hungarian survivors and their children. I was exposed to the fear that somewhere "out there" there also lived Nazis. Therefore, it would be painful to me if I were labeled insensitive to the cause of rememberance. All I ask is that we await the results of the Yad Vashem project. In the past I have been critical of Yad Vashem - but now with new leadership the promise may be kept.]

Best regards,

Gyuri


Hungary SIG #Hungary Yad Vashem names (fwd) #hungary

Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
 

"Louis Schonfeld" <lmagyar@en.com> 1999.03.15. 12:56:11 -5h-kor irta:

Apropos of the discussion regarding the Hungarian Holocaust Names Project-

A list of Holocaust victims should be available
on the internet before we even begin to mobilize for a similar effort to do
the same things for Hungarian Jews.

UGY: I don't want to underestimate the inertia of a robust organization, like the
YV, especially when it is financed >from German Holocaust reparation monies.
Just think about the debates concerning the grandious plans of the Berlin
Holocaust Memorial. A loose network, like H-SIG, which is totally voluntary can
not undertake tasks similar to YV. But it is true the other way around!

UGY: I percieve H-SIG as a network of Jewish Genealogists of specific interest in
the former Hungarian Kingdom. Therefore, the Hungarian Holocaust Names
Project won't be a mere reproduction or duplication of the YV project. The DB
should contain data relevant to all of us - genealogists!

I won't impose my opinion on the sig
UGY: Your opinion is very important and has a great weight in the discussion. I
think it is not a matter is imposing your opinion, but contributing your thoughts,
arguments, insights and opinion.

[LS: when extracted >from the total message and without the necessary context to soften its meaning, the words "I won't impose my opinion on the sig" sounds imperious. I regret the choice of these words; and since UGY gives my viewpoint such credence it would be more representative of my view to state - I won't proffer an opinion on this matter.]

I have an alternative proposal. This morning I had a telephone conversation
with Stanley Diamond the head of the JRI-Poland project, and he was enthused
about the idea of a JRI-Hungary project. For those of you not familiar with
the JRI-Poland project I suggest you visit their web site to learn about
this ambitious undertaking. Eventually, it will allow us to create a
computerized, searchable database of all the births, marriages, and deaths,
recorded on the microfilms of the Mormons and the Hungarian National
Archives.

UGY: I think it is a very worthy and ambitious project! But why alternative?

[LS: I only have a simple response to this question. Enthusiasm in the fulfilment of a Mitzvah is a virtue (Hiddur Mitzvah or if you prefer Zerizus). However, our ability to do justice to both projects simultaneously doesn't seem possible at this time. As a number of you are, I too am a child of the Holocaust. For the first fifteen years of my life I had contact almost exclusively with Hungarian survivors and their children. I was exposed to the fear that somewhere "out there" there also lived Nazis. Therefore, it would be painful to me if I were labeled insensitive to the cause of rememberance. All I ask is that we await the results of the Yad Vashem project. In the past I have been critical of Yad Vashem - but now with new leadership the promise may be kept.]

Best regards,

Gyuri


Hungarian Holocaust Victims DB project (fwd) #hungary

Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
 

"Charles R. Mandelbaum" <cmandel@pop.erols.com> 1999.03.14. 11:47:45
-5h-kor irta:

Perhaps, a wiser path is to start cataloging the easy to obtain
data, for example, that in the Yizkor books and validated transit
lists in the various Holocaust museums.

UGY: Please, visit the H-SIG homepage! You will find a preliminary
bibliography of Yizkor books and other relevant works.

The search for additional
and corroborating sources can continue in parallel. Inevitably, the
process will turn up duplicate entries and these wil have to be
resolved. That's independent of the eventual approach taken by the
project.

UGY: The more data we have, the less is the chance for duplication!

What if the project only finds fifty percent of the names? That
would be a blessing because the memory of fifty percent would be
preserved. If the project only gets seventy-five percent, that would
be a bigger blessing, still. Conversely, if the project never gets
started because of arguments perfection, then no names get
remembered and the Third Reich won.

Regards,

Gyuri


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Holocaust Victims DB project (fwd) #hungary

Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
 

"Charles R. Mandelbaum" <cmandel@pop.erols.com> 1999.03.14. 11:47:45
-5h-kor irta:

Perhaps, a wiser path is to start cataloging the easy to obtain
data, for example, that in the Yizkor books and validated transit
lists in the various Holocaust museums.

UGY: Please, visit the H-SIG homepage! You will find a preliminary
bibliography of Yizkor books and other relevant works.

The search for additional
and corroborating sources can continue in parallel. Inevitably, the
process will turn up duplicate entries and these wil have to be
resolved. That's independent of the eventual approach taken by the
project.

UGY: The more data we have, the less is the chance for duplication!

What if the project only finds fifty percent of the names? That
would be a blessing because the memory of fifty percent would be
preserved. If the project only gets seventy-five percent, that would
be a bigger blessing, still. Conversely, if the project never gets
started because of arguments perfection, then no names get
remembered and the Third Reich won.

Regards,

Gyuri


Re: Yad Vashem names #hungary

Lebn@...
 

In a message dated 3/15/99 1:10:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, lmagyar@en.com
writes:

I have an alternative proposal. This morning I had a telephone conversation
with Stanley Diamond the head of the JRI-Poland project, and he was
enthused
about the idea of a JRI-Hungary project
Hi H-SIGGERS,
Let me add my enthusiasm about the JRI-Poland project and the Polish State
Archives (PSA) project. A JRI- Hungary project would be great. My recent
success with JRI-Poland revealed several direct ancestors that I could not
find on the LDS films of Przasnysz, a town in Poland. These records were
indexed and available through the database on JRI-Poland and the form that one
completes and sends $10 for a single record to the Polish State Archives is at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/orderfm.htm

This is the best $ "deal " I have experienced so far with Poland. It would be
wonderful if we had a similar negotiation with Hungary, because I just spent
$50 for a birth record that was searched by the Somogy Leveltar, rather a
steep price.

I would not want to defocus >from Gy. Ujlaki's project for a DB to honor
Hungarian Holocaust victims, but if Yad Vashem is working on a comprehensive
DB, perhaps we can focus on some other effort. I would help with Somogy megye.

Eleanor Bien


Where is Tardos? #hungary

Yosef & Ida Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Dear H-Sigers,

I have the marriage registration of my grandmother, Hermin Fried, in
which it is stated that she was born in Tardos. According to my 95 year
old uncle, Bela Schwarcz, his mother was born in Tardos near Tokaj. He
knows the country very well, is of sound mind and body, and used to
travel >from Mezocsat to Tokaj to buy wine. However, my map of Hungary
shows Tardos as west of Budapest, north of Tatabanya, very far >from the
Tokaj area. Does anyone know of a Tardos in the Tokaj area? Can there be
two towns with the same name in Hungary?
Joseph M. Schwarcz
Arad, Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Yad Vashem names #hungary

Lebn@...
 

In a message dated 3/15/99 1:10:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, lmagyar@en.com
writes:

I have an alternative proposal. This morning I had a telephone conversation
with Stanley Diamond the head of the JRI-Poland project, and he was
enthused
about the idea of a JRI-Hungary project
Hi H-SIGGERS,
Let me add my enthusiasm about the JRI-Poland project and the Polish State
Archives (PSA) project. A JRI- Hungary project would be great. My recent
success with JRI-Poland revealed several direct ancestors that I could not
find on the LDS films of Przasnysz, a town in Poland. These records were
indexed and available through the database on JRI-Poland and the form that one
completes and sends $10 for a single record to the Polish State Archives is at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/orderfm.htm

This is the best $ "deal " I have experienced so far with Poland. It would be
wonderful if we had a similar negotiation with Hungary, because I just spent
$50 for a birth record that was searched by the Somogy Leveltar, rather a
steep price.

I would not want to defocus >from Gy. Ujlaki's project for a DB to honor
Hungarian Holocaust victims, but if Yad Vashem is working on a comprehensive
DB, perhaps we can focus on some other effort. I would help with Somogy megye.

Eleanor Bien


Hungary SIG #Hungary Where is Tardos? #hungary

Yosef & Ida Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Dear H-Sigers,

I have the marriage registration of my grandmother, Hermin Fried, in
which it is stated that she was born in Tardos. According to my 95 year
old uncle, Bela Schwarcz, his mother was born in Tardos near Tokaj. He
knows the country very well, is of sound mind and body, and used to
travel >from Mezocsat to Tokaj to buy wine. However, my map of Hungary
shows Tardos as west of Budapest, north of Tatabanya, very far >from the
Tokaj area. Does anyone know of a Tardos in the Tokaj area? Can there be
two towns with the same name in Hungary?
Joseph M. Schwarcz
Arad, Israel


Re: * Hungarian Holocaust Victims DB project: 1941 Census #hungary

Meyer Denn <lionsden@...>
 

Dolph Klein wrote:

The National Archives of Slovakia (Slovensky narodny archiv) in Bratislava
has documents (Supis Zidov) of the Jewish Census of 1941 . Robert Klein of
Be'er Sheva visited the archives last July and after encountering
resistence on the part of the archivist in charge, he was able to obtain
information on some of our family members. The enumeration was conducted by
town and district and contained names, birth dates, place of birth, place
of residence, citizenship status, and for some individuals, registration
numbers and occupation. There was additional information on household
possessions and properties that Robert was not permitted to see.

I was lucky enough to visit Czechoslovakia in 1989 and 1990 on behalf of
industrialist Dr. Armand Hammer, and as such, gained special access to the
Bratislava State Archives. At leisure, I was able to sit down with the
archivist and peruse these 1941 Census records without hindrance, and even
copy ALL of the Jewish records >from our village of Certizne. If I am not
mistaken, there was a census >from another year (maybe 1929? but I am not
sure). Unfortunately, all of my records are in storage in Los Angeles and I
am in Jerusalem, so I am not sure what it was. However, one of these
documents has a signature of the head of household on the back, and in the
case of my great-grandfather, who was either too ill to sign his name or
illiterate, his thumb print appears instead....very neat indeed.

Additionally, during that trip, I was able to gain access (with a little
force and massive use of Dr. Hammer's name and prestige) enter the Hall of
Land Ownership in Humenne and get a copy of the deed to my
great-grandfather's property in Certizne. I never tried to claim it back
because I presume that it has little or no value, and the cost for the
legal work, taxes, upkeep, etc. didn't seem to make sense.

Best wishes,

Meyer Denn
Jerusalem


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: * Hungarian Holocaust Victims DB project: 1941 Census #hungary

Meyer Denn <lionsden@...>
 

Dolph Klein wrote:

The National Archives of Slovakia (Slovensky narodny archiv) in Bratislava
has documents (Supis Zidov) of the Jewish Census of 1941 . Robert Klein of
Be'er Sheva visited the archives last July and after encountering
resistence on the part of the archivist in charge, he was able to obtain
information on some of our family members. The enumeration was conducted by
town and district and contained names, birth dates, place of birth, place
of residence, citizenship status, and for some individuals, registration
numbers and occupation. There was additional information on household
possessions and properties that Robert was not permitted to see.

I was lucky enough to visit Czechoslovakia in 1989 and 1990 on behalf of
industrialist Dr. Armand Hammer, and as such, gained special access to the
Bratislava State Archives. At leisure, I was able to sit down with the
archivist and peruse these 1941 Census records without hindrance, and even
copy ALL of the Jewish records >from our village of Certizne. If I am not
mistaken, there was a census >from another year (maybe 1929? but I am not
sure). Unfortunately, all of my records are in storage in Los Angeles and I
am in Jerusalem, so I am not sure what it was. However, one of these
documents has a signature of the head of household on the back, and in the
case of my great-grandfather, who was either too ill to sign his name or
illiterate, his thumb print appears instead....very neat indeed.

Additionally, during that trip, I was able to gain access (with a little
force and massive use of Dr. Hammer's name and prestige) enter the Hall of
Land Ownership in Humenne and get a copy of the deed to my
great-grandfather's property in Certizne. I never tried to claim it back
because I presume that it has little or no value, and the cost for the
legal work, taxes, upkeep, etc. didn't seem to make sense.

Best wishes,

Meyer Denn
Jerusalem


Database - Russian Army Jewish Soldiers #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

I just became aware of the following URL

<http://www.avotaynu.com/fast/rjmain.htm>

Russian-Japanese War of 1904-1905 Database of Russian Army Jewish
soldiers injured, killed, or missing in action

There is a great explanation about the War as well as the surname
database which can be displayed in a number of ways. The area covered in
the database includes Belarus as well as other parts of the old Russian
Empire.

David M. Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD
Belarus SIG Coordinator

Support the Jews of Belarus
<http://bnaibrith.org/cpp/belarus/index.html>


Belarus SIG #Belarus Database - Russian Army Jewish Soldiers #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

I just became aware of the following URL

<http://www.avotaynu.com/fast/rjmain.htm>

Russian-Japanese War of 1904-1905 Database of Russian Army Jewish
soldiers injured, killed, or missing in action

There is a great explanation about the War as well as the surname
database which can be displayed in a number of ways. The area covered in
the database includes Belarus as well as other parts of the old Russian
Empire.

David M. Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD
Belarus SIG Coordinator

Support the Jews of Belarus
<http://bnaibrith.org/cpp/belarus/index.html>