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Re: SIG expansion #hungary

diane goldman <dgoldman@...>
 

I may be geographically challenged. Does an "Austro-Hungarian SIG"
cover a larger territory or a smaller territory than our current
"Greater Hungarian SIG"?

In theory (depending on the answer, I guess), I think the Vienna group
from Ger-SIG would seem to have a lot in common with us and the change
in name could make things much clearer. I'm not sure anyone besides us
knows what "Greater Hungary" is, anyway. H-SIGers are already
interested in records in Vienna (military records, at least), and the
cultural overlap is obvious. The only negative aspect that I see is
that I rather like our small, intimate discussions and expanding the
discussion would be rewarding but ultimately less informal.
--Diane
<dgoldman@...>

mod. A little condensed geographical history of East-Central Europe may be in order: Prior to 1867 when the dual monarchy was created, there was only the Austrian Empire which comprised Greater Hungary (AKA as pre Trianon Hungary - Trianon was the name of the treaty that dismembered the Austro-Hungarian Emprire after WWI, and resulted in Hungary loosing 2/3 of its previous territory*), Austria, Bohemia, Moravia and after the partition of Poland in the latter part of the 18th century, Galicia as well.

* A map of Greater Hungary can be found on our website. Greater Hungary never existed as an independant political entity except in the dreams and aspirations of Magyar patriots (my maternal grandfather included). LS


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: SIG expansion #hungary

diane goldman <dgoldman@...>
 

I may be geographically challenged. Does an "Austro-Hungarian SIG"
cover a larger territory or a smaller territory than our current
"Greater Hungarian SIG"?

In theory (depending on the answer, I guess), I think the Vienna group
from Ger-SIG would seem to have a lot in common with us and the change
in name could make things much clearer. I'm not sure anyone besides us
knows what "Greater Hungary" is, anyway. H-SIGers are already
interested in records in Vienna (military records, at least), and the
cultural overlap is obvious. The only negative aspect that I see is
that I rather like our small, intimate discussions and expanding the
discussion would be rewarding but ultimately less informal.
--Diane
<dgoldman@...>

mod. A little condensed geographical history of East-Central Europe may be in order: Prior to 1867 when the dual monarchy was created, there was only the Austrian Empire which comprised Greater Hungary (AKA as pre Trianon Hungary - Trianon was the name of the treaty that dismembered the Austro-Hungarian Emprire after WWI, and resulted in Hungary loosing 2/3 of its previous territory*), Austria, Bohemia, Moravia and after the partition of Poland in the latter part of the 18th century, Galicia as well.

* A map of Greater Hungary can be found on our website. Greater Hungary never existed as an independant political entity except in the dreams and aspirations of Magyar patriots (my maternal grandfather included). LS


Re: Austro-Hungarian SIG? #hungary

nhallas <nhallas@...>
 

Dear SIG Members -

I agree with Linda. As I understand it we have been talking about greater Hungary.
Austro-Hungary was only a certain time period.

Let's leave it the way it is.

Nancy Hallas


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Austro-Hungarian SIG? #hungary

nhallas <nhallas@...>
 

Dear SIG Members -

I agree with Linda. As I understand it we have been talking about greater Hungary.
Austro-Hungary was only a certain time period.

Let's leave it the way it is.

Nancy Hallas


Aschner Lipo't-Budapest #hungary

Rakoff125
 

I understand Aschner Lipo't was a reknowned industrialist in Budapest. There
is a street, Aschner Lipo't Te'r. named for him. What district is this in? He
is buried in the neolog cemetary at Mohacs. He survived WWII and died around
1952. In the 30s he live in Ujpest. what district is this?

Does anyone know anything about him, where "his" street is, why he was so
honored, and of course, anything about his family. Patai's book referrs to
relatives Jakab and Otto. Aschner is not a very common name, mine come >from
Vienna, Hradiste and Kosice. I've been in touch with Klaus Aschner who was
born in Breslau. I notice a number of Aschner deportees >from Trnava.

Any extra input would be most appreciated. Thank you and see you at the
conference.
regards, Linda Rakoff
Newton, MA
Searching: ASCHNER- Hradiste, Bresova, Kosice, SpisskaNova Ves ( Iglo, Yglo),
Wien; LOW'Y-Hradiste, Spisska Nova Ves; GELBERG/LIPSHITZ-Galati; GOLDMAN(N),
LANGER -Kosice, Spisska Nova Ves, Bolyar; POLATSECK-Kosice; KOOPER,
LISSAUER-Losonc, Miskolz; KOHN, STINGL: Wien, Bratislava MELTZER,
RIESENBERG, PERLBINDER, DRANSCH, LICHTENTAL, LADENHEIM-- Horodenka, Galicia;
BRETTSCHNEIDER, Galicia; BAUER, Hedwig-Wien BUCHWALD- Wien,
Budapest;RAKOFF-Kelce, Russia GORDON-Vilna


Hungary SIG #Hungary Aschner Lipo't-Budapest #hungary

Rakoff125
 

I understand Aschner Lipo't was a reknowned industrialist in Budapest. There
is a street, Aschner Lipo't Te'r. named for him. What district is this in? He
is buried in the neolog cemetary at Mohacs. He survived WWII and died around
1952. In the 30s he live in Ujpest. what district is this?

Does anyone know anything about him, where "his" street is, why he was so
honored, and of course, anything about his family. Patai's book referrs to
relatives Jakab and Otto. Aschner is not a very common name, mine come >from
Vienna, Hradiste and Kosice. I've been in touch with Klaus Aschner who was
born in Breslau. I notice a number of Aschner deportees >from Trnava.

Any extra input would be most appreciated. Thank you and see you at the
conference.
regards, Linda Rakoff
Newton, MA
Searching: ASCHNER- Hradiste, Bresova, Kosice, SpisskaNova Ves ( Iglo, Yglo),
Wien; LOW'Y-Hradiste, Spisska Nova Ves; GELBERG/LIPSHITZ-Galati; GOLDMAN(N),
LANGER -Kosice, Spisska Nova Ves, Bolyar; POLATSECK-Kosice; KOOPER,
LISSAUER-Losonc, Miskolz; KOHN, STINGL: Wien, Bratislava MELTZER,
RIESENBERG, PERLBINDER, DRANSCH, LICHTENTAL, LADENHEIM-- Horodenka, Galicia;
BRETTSCHNEIDER, Galicia; BAUER, Hedwig-Wien BUCHWALD- Wien,
Budapest;RAKOFF-Kelce, Russia GORDON-Vilna


Fw: U S District Court #hungary

Avraham Ofek <avrofek@...>
 

Looking for GUZIK
------------------------
My grandmother was Hanna Malka Guzik before she married my grandfather
Eliezer(Laizer)HOPKOVIC.
She had two sisters:
Shprinza who married (in Dukla,Poland ca.1909) Haim Zvi Hoffshteter.She died
at a young age.
Zelda married David Ellner,An opera singer and hazan.They lived in Mattesdorf
before coming to the US after the war.
There was also a brother,Bezalel,who lived in the US for many years.
Does anybody know anything of this branch of Guziks?
Avraham Ofek
Netanya,Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary Fw: U S District Court #hungary

Avraham Ofek <avrofek@...>
 

Looking for GUZIK
------------------------
My grandmother was Hanna Malka Guzik before she married my grandfather
Eliezer(Laizer)HOPKOVIC.
She had two sisters:
Shprinza who married (in Dukla,Poland ca.1909) Haim Zvi Hoffshteter.She died
at a young age.
Zelda married David Ellner,An opera singer and hazan.They lived in Mattesdorf
before coming to the US after the war.
There was also a brother,Bezalel,who lived in the US for many years.
Does anybody know anything of this branch of Guziks?
Avraham Ofek
Netanya,Israel


Scope of H-Sig #hungary

Charles R. Mandelbaum <cmandel@...>
 

I vote for maintaining the current scope of H-Sig. we have enough
trouble sorting out countries, name changes, etc. without
introducing new confounding information. As one subscriber, the
German SIG and others offer help to those with more German than
Hungarian ancestors.
Regards,

Charles Mandelbaum


Hungary SIG #Hungary Scope of H-Sig #hungary

Charles R. Mandelbaum <cmandel@...>
 

I vote for maintaining the current scope of H-Sig. we have enough
trouble sorting out countries, name changes, etc. without
introducing new confounding information. As one subscriber, the
German SIG and others offer help to those with more German than
Hungarian ancestors.
Regards,

Charles Mandelbaum


Re: Austro-Hungarian SIG? #hungary

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

Welcome postings >from those who have interests in Austria and Germany, but
don't change H-SIG's name ...at least for the time being.

If I have the story right, this issue began when one person expressed
dissatisfation about another SIG and claimed that at least he and 10 other
individuals were ready to join H-SIG. To paraphrase a cliche, "Show me the
articles!" In other words, let those who wish to place their postings with
H-SIG come forward. H-SIG might even elect to be proactive, but name
changing is not the way. The condition for considering a name change is
when a critical mass is reached and sustained...not the converse.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Austro-Hungarian SIG? #hungary

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

Welcome postings >from those who have interests in Austria and Germany, but
don't change H-SIG's name ...at least for the time being.

If I have the story right, this issue began when one person expressed
dissatisfation about another SIG and claimed that at least he and 10 other
individuals were ready to join H-SIG. To paraphrase a cliche, "Show me the
articles!" In other words, let those who wish to place their postings with
H-SIG come forward. H-SIG might even elect to be proactive, but name
changing is not the way. The condition for considering a name change is
when a critical mass is reached and sustained...not the converse.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC


RABBI MOSHE, of Korelichi (Karelitz) Belarus #belarus

Alan Golnick <agolnick@...>
 

Researching with family name unknown.
RABBI MOSHE, AV Bet Din of Karelitz, born ca 1800, died age 30, son-in-la=
w of Rabbi Mordichai Horowitz of Minsk, son of Rabbi David, the Rabbi of =
Novogrudok.

Arthur Golnick
Stony Brook, NY


Belarus SIG #Belarus RABBI MOSHE, of Korelichi (Karelitz) Belarus #belarus

Alan Golnick <agolnick@...>
 

Researching with family name unknown.
RABBI MOSHE, AV Bet Din of Karelitz, born ca 1800, died age 30, son-in-la=
w of Rabbi Mordichai Horowitz of Minsk, son of Rabbi David, the Rabbi of =
Novogrudok.

Arthur Golnick
Stony Brook, NY


researching: Drogichin, Kopyl, Shmargon, and Svir #belarus

dweisman@...
 

Hi folks,

I am new to the list. I was going to wait until after the conference to post my
families but it looks like I missed the boat on registration.

I am researching the following families:

WEISMAN, KAMINETZKY >from Drogichin

MOLOTOK(changed to MILLER in US) >from Kopyl

BERGMAN, BOXER >from Shmargon and
CHAITE >from Svir.

If there are any connections, I would like to speak with you. I have more
detailed information but I don't want to clutter the email.

Regards,

David Weisman
dweisman@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus researching: Drogichin, Kopyl, Shmargon, and Svir #belarus

dweisman@...
 

Hi folks,

I am new to the list. I was going to wait until after the conference to post my
families but it looks like I missed the boat on registration.

I am researching the following families:

WEISMAN, KAMINETZKY >from Drogichin

MOLOTOK(changed to MILLER in US) >from Kopyl

BERGMAN, BOXER >from Shmargon and
CHAITE >from Svir.

If there are any connections, I would like to speak with you. I have more
detailed information but I don't want to clutter the email.

Regards,

David Weisman
dweisman@...


B-O-F Meeting #lithuania

Ed Goldberg <egoli@...>
 

I should be able to attend a B-O-F meeting in New York on the Sunday

Looking forward to meeting you all,

Ed Goldberg
Vancouver, Canada


Keidan Jews #Keidan #Lithuania B-O-F Meeting #lithuania

Ed Goldberg <egoli@...>
 

I should be able to attend a B-O-F meeting in New York on the Sunday

Looking forward to meeting you all,

Ed Goldberg
Vancouver, Canada


Success, via JewishGen & the net #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

A query with the surname POLIATSCHEK was posted earlier. Within 10 days
it resulted in a pool of information >from France regarding distant
relatives.

One party wrote that during WWII his rabbi and Hebrew teacher was "Mr
POLIATSCHEK", who had Bar Mitzvah'd him. It turns out that Mr P. was my
relative, rabbin Mois P.

A second party wrote (via email >from his son-in-law) that he was a
classmate in ecole rabbinic (rabbinical school) with the son of rabbin
Mois P. He furnished new biographical info on both father and son.

This is indicative of successful searches that can be had by posting on
JewishGen,
(suggested as a supplement to the JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF)
search).


mailto:bkoosh@...
Bernard Kouchel

Searching: POLIATSCHEK/HALPERN/LISKIN ->Lida-Paris-Israel-NY
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 16:10:26 -0400

If you have information about this family group, please contact the
undersigned.


TheRose Stove Company #general

Mike Fischer <miketran@...>
 

I have been looking for information about a Joseph Rose or Rose Stove Company.
Till now, I was led to understand that the company was in New York. Tonight,
one of my father's cousin told me something very interesting.
Quote;" For as long as I can remember, people have asked me if I had any relatives
by the same name in the midwest. My answer was a strong "no" and they always
remarked that there was indeed a Rose Stove Company in Cleveland, Ohio and
they might be relatives" Unquote. Have any of you midwesterners heard of it?
In the back of my memory, I seem to remember hearing years ago about some
relatives in Chicago but no one else in the family remembers anything.
At the suggestion of some of you , I have contacted 4 antique stove companies.
Only one replied and suggested that I place an ad in their upcoming issue of their
magazine having to do with antique appliances.This magazine goes all over the
country, Canada and Mexico.
When I find this guy's family, I am going to send them a bill for what it is costing
me to track him down.

Wilma Fischer
Passaic, N.J.