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Orlando Florida Meeting of JGSGO #general

SSeckbach
 

The November meeting is Tuesday 7:00pm November 9th in the JCC Senior Lounge.
Gene Starnes is our speaker. Gene's presentation is:
"A Written Memory: Sharing Your Family's Legacy With Those You Love.
Sim Seckbach
Sseckbach@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Orlando Florida Meeting of JGSGO #general

SSeckbach
 

The November meeting is Tuesday 7:00pm November 9th in the JCC Senior Lounge.
Gene Starnes is our speaker. Gene's presentation is:
"A Written Memory: Sharing Your Family's Legacy With Those You Love.
Sim Seckbach
Sseckbach@aol.com


mountaineering school #hungary

Rakoff125
 

I have a photo of my cousin in which he writes he is going to mountaineering
school; his uniform is somewhat militaristic. The address is hard to read but
is something like Selychene. Does anyone know anything about this program or
place. Would it be considered part of the Austrian military? I can't tell
from the photo when it was taken but it is written in English sometime
between 1907 to 1920.
thanks for any help. Linda Rakoff, Newton, MA
Searching: ASCHNER- Hradiste, Budapest (New!),Bresova, Kosice, SpisskaNova
Ves (aka Iglo, Yglo,Wien;LOW'Y-Hradiste, Spisska Nova Ves;
GELBERG/LIPSHITZ-Galati; GOLDMAN(N), LANGER -Kosice, Spisska Nova Ves,
Bolyar; POLATSECK-Kosice; KOOPER, LISSAUER-Losonc, Miskolz; KOHN, STINGL:
Wien, Bratislava RAKOFF-Kelce, Russia GORDON-Vilna; MELTZER, RIESENBERG,
PERLBINDER, DRANSCH, LICHTENTAL, LADENHEIM-- Horodenka, Galicia;
BRETTSCHNEIDER, Galicia; BAUER, Hedwig-Wien BUCHWALD- Wien, Budapest


Presentaion"The Holocaust in Hungary" #hungary

Lebn@...
 

(note to the moderator, please announce on the Digest ASAP.)

For all H-Siggers in the Washington, DC Metro area.

An ad in the Washington Post, Nov. 5, page A29 announces an all day session
free to the public in the Holocaust Memorial Museum in the Helena Rubenstein
Auditorium, call 202 488 6162 for reservations. The session is >from 10 A.M.
to 5 P.M. and features internationally known scholars on topics such as war
crime trials, postwar anti-Semitism, and presentations by Holocaust
survivors. Taking the metro to the Smithsonian Metro station is advised. It
is a 2 block walk.

Eleanor Bien
Fairfax, VA


Hungary SIG #Hungary mountaineering school #hungary

Rakoff125
 

I have a photo of my cousin in which he writes he is going to mountaineering
school; his uniform is somewhat militaristic. The address is hard to read but
is something like Selychene. Does anyone know anything about this program or
place. Would it be considered part of the Austrian military? I can't tell
from the photo when it was taken but it is written in English sometime
between 1907 to 1920.
thanks for any help. Linda Rakoff, Newton, MA
Searching: ASCHNER- Hradiste, Budapest (New!),Bresova, Kosice, SpisskaNova
Ves (aka Iglo, Yglo,Wien;LOW'Y-Hradiste, Spisska Nova Ves;
GELBERG/LIPSHITZ-Galati; GOLDMAN(N), LANGER -Kosice, Spisska Nova Ves,
Bolyar; POLATSECK-Kosice; KOOPER, LISSAUER-Losonc, Miskolz; KOHN, STINGL:
Wien, Bratislava RAKOFF-Kelce, Russia GORDON-Vilna; MELTZER, RIESENBERG,
PERLBINDER, DRANSCH, LICHTENTAL, LADENHEIM-- Horodenka, Galicia;
BRETTSCHNEIDER, Galicia; BAUER, Hedwig-Wien BUCHWALD- Wien, Budapest


Hungary SIG #Hungary Presentaion"The Holocaust in Hungary" #hungary

Lebn@...
 

(note to the moderator, please announce on the Digest ASAP.)

For all H-Siggers in the Washington, DC Metro area.

An ad in the Washington Post, Nov. 5, page A29 announces an all day session
free to the public in the Holocaust Memorial Museum in the Helena Rubenstein
Auditorium, call 202 488 6162 for reservations. The session is >from 10 A.M.
to 5 P.M. and features internationally known scholars on topics such as war
crime trials, postwar anti-Semitism, and presentations by Holocaust
survivors. Taking the metro to the Smithsonian Metro station is advised. It
is a 2 block walk.

Eleanor Bien
Fairfax, VA


* deportations from Hungary #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Recently there was an exchange of messages about deportations >from Hungary.
Meantime I was reading Prof. Randolph Braham's famous book (the Politics of
Genocide, the Holocaust in Hungary). Prof. Braham states that practically
all Jews deported >from Hungary were previously registered by the local
Jewish Councils (Zsido Tanacsok). My question is: does somebody knows if
these records survived and if so, where can they be examined?

thanks and regards
Tom

-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary * deportations from Hungary #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Recently there was an exchange of messages about deportations >from Hungary.
Meantime I was reading Prof. Randolph Braham's famous book (the Politics of
Genocide, the Holocaust in Hungary). Prof. Braham states that practically
all Jews deported >from Hungary were previously registered by the local
Jewish Councils (Zsido Tanacsok). My question is: does somebody knows if
these records survived and if so, where can they be examined?

thanks and regards
Tom

-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Re: h-sig digest: November 01, 1999 #hungary

Chaim Frenkel <chaimf@...>
 

"RH" == Ron Hoenig <rhoenig@camtech.net.au> writes:
RH> Just to add to the etymological discussion,- or perhaps to confuse it - my
RH> parents have always used "mayre" to mean "fear". combining Hungarian and
RH> Yiddish, as in "Ne mayresz??" ie. "Don't worry" or "Nagyon mayrezik" -
RH> he'/she is very afraid".
RH> Am I just mixing this up? Is it connected with evil doings?.

I'll second this usage by my parents.

RH> By the way, non- Australians may be interested that Jewsih elements in the
RH> English underworld may be responsibile for "Aussie" slang words like
RH> "cobber" for friend and "shiv" for knife.

I can see the claim for cobber (chaver) but what would be the origin
of 'shiv'.

Chaim Frenkel
Brooklyn, NY

May I suggest that when posting a followup that the majority of the
posting be the reply? Leave enough of the original for context, but
edit out the extraneous material.

It took me several attempts before I was able to locate the actual text
of the reply.


--
Chaim Frenkel Nonlinear Knowledge, Inc.
chaimf@pobox.com +1-718-236-0183


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: h-sig digest: November 01, 1999 #hungary

Chaim Frenkel <chaimf@...>
 

"RH" == Ron Hoenig <rhoenig@camtech.net.au> writes:
RH> Just to add to the etymological discussion,- or perhaps to confuse it - my
RH> parents have always used "mayre" to mean "fear". combining Hungarian and
RH> Yiddish, as in "Ne mayresz??" ie. "Don't worry" or "Nagyon mayrezik" -
RH> he'/she is very afraid".
RH> Am I just mixing this up? Is it connected with evil doings?.

I'll second this usage by my parents.

RH> By the way, non- Australians may be interested that Jewsih elements in the
RH> English underworld may be responsibile for "Aussie" slang words like
RH> "cobber" for friend and "shiv" for knife.

I can see the claim for cobber (chaver) but what would be the origin
of 'shiv'.

Chaim Frenkel
Brooklyn, NY

May I suggest that when posting a followup that the majority of the
posting be the reply? Leave enough of the original for context, but
edit out the extraneous material.

It took me several attempts before I was able to locate the actual text
of the reply.


--
Chaim Frenkel Nonlinear Knowledge, Inc.
chaimf@pobox.com +1-718-236-0183


Re: more names #belarus

MGS18@...
 

Don't know if this will help Chaim, Tomer or others looking for name
equivalents, but for what it's worth, in our family the female Jewish
name "Baila" was Erzebet (Elizabeth) in Hungarian.

on 11/3/99 5:03 AM chaimf@pobox.com wrote:

TB> When my grandfather was born and had to be registered, the
TB> clerk asked my gfather's mother for her name, and when she
TB> said that her name is Bela the clerk answered that there isn't
TB> such Hungarian name, and wrote her name as Borbala.
TB> So it it still possible that Betty comes instead of Borbala, but
TB> also other names are likely to do so.

TB> In other cases I came across replacement of Lili by Alice
TB> and Bernat by Bernhard.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Re: more names #hungary

MGS18@...
 

Don't know if this will help Chaim, Tomer or others looking for name
equivalents, but for what it's worth, in our family the female Jewish
name "Baila" was Erzebet (Elizabeth) in Hungarian.

on 11/3/99 5:03 AM chaimf@pobox.com wrote:

TB> When my grandfather was born and had to be registered, the
TB> clerk asked my gfather's mother for her name, and when she
TB> said that her name is Bela the clerk answered that there isn't
TB> such Hungarian name, and wrote her name as Borbala.
TB> So it it still possible that Betty comes instead of Borbala, but
TB> also other names are likely to do so.

TB> In other cases I came across replacement of Lili by Alice
TB> and Bernat by Bernhard.


Re: Siegal/Segal #lithuania

RobStrum@...
 

In a message dated 11/04/1999 1:11:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Phrases1@aol.com writes:

<< Siegel is a German word that is NOT an acronym for
Segan Leviyah. SEGAL/L is that acronym. I learned that >from my
Levite grandfather. I think that siegel means sign in German. Since
your family are not Levite, that probably confirms that the name
Siegel was the German word. >>

While I'm loathe to say that anyone's grandfather was mistaken, I'm afraid
that's the case. While there may be a German word Siegal (altho' if there is
I'm not familiar with it) this does _not_ mean that SIEGAL cannot be an
acronym for S'gan Levi. First, the initial vowel sound is not relevant.
Second, even if it were relevant vowels (and often consonents) changed all
the time as people moved >from one place to another. My g-g-gfather's name
was Segal/etc......yet my g-uncle was SIEG_E_L, one set of cousin's are
SIEG_A_L, and another are SEGAL.
It's generally pretty difficult to generalize about different spellings
having different meanings when the people who used/took the names rarely
wrote them and, when they did, it was never in English.

Robert Strumwasser (not that it matters, also a Levite)
Sharon, MA, USA
RobStrum@aol.com


Re: Siegel probably NOT an acronym for Segan Leviyah #lithuania

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Hi all!

The German world Siegel doesn't mean sign, but seal. The choose of Siegel
as your ancestors surname could have something to do with their occupation.
Maybe someone was working with some kind of administration or similar work.

Best regards

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Parnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Sweden
GORDON: Tukkume, Latvia; Sweden; St Petersburg, Russia
KARSON: Glasgow, Scotland
KATSEV / KATZEFF / KATZOFF / KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia;
Parnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Sweden; Denmark; Glasgow, Scotland;
Boston, MA, USA
NEMTSOV / NEMZOFF: Surazh, (Vitebsk), Belarus; Sweden; Denmark
NEMCHENKO / NEMTSCHENKO: Surazh, (Vitebsk), Belarus; Sweden;
St Petersburg, Russia
NIVOROSHKIN / NIVAROSCHKIN / NIWOROSCHKIN: Surazh, (Vitebsk),
Belarus; Sweden; Denmark


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Siegal/Segal #lithuania

RobStrum@...
 

In a message dated 11/04/1999 1:11:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Phrases1@aol.com writes:

<< Siegel is a German word that is NOT an acronym for
Segan Leviyah. SEGAL/L is that acronym. I learned that >from my
Levite grandfather. I think that siegel means sign in German. Since
your family are not Levite, that probably confirms that the name
Siegel was the German word. >>

While I'm loathe to say that anyone's grandfather was mistaken, I'm afraid
that's the case. While there may be a German word Siegal (altho' if there is
I'm not familiar with it) this does _not_ mean that SIEGAL cannot be an
acronym for S'gan Levi. First, the initial vowel sound is not relevant.
Second, even if it were relevant vowels (and often consonents) changed all
the time as people moved >from one place to another. My g-g-gfather's name
was Segal/etc......yet my g-uncle was SIEG_E_L, one set of cousin's are
SIEG_A_L, and another are SEGAL.
It's generally pretty difficult to generalize about different spellings
having different meanings when the people who used/took the names rarely
wrote them and, when they did, it was never in English.

Robert Strumwasser (not that it matters, also a Levite)
Sharon, MA, USA
RobStrum@aol.com


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania SV: Siegel probably NOT an acronym for Segan Leviyah #lithuania

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Hi all!

The German world Siegel doesn't mean sign, but seal. The choose of Siegel
as your ancestors surname could have something to do with their occupation.
Maybe someone was working with some kind of administration or similar work.

Best regards

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Parnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Sweden
GORDON: Tukkume, Latvia; Sweden; St Petersburg, Russia
KARSON: Glasgow, Scotland
KATSEV / KATZEFF / KATZOFF / KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia;
Parnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Sweden; Denmark; Glasgow, Scotland;
Boston, MA, USA
NEMTSOV / NEMZOFF: Surazh, (Vitebsk), Belarus; Sweden; Denmark
NEMCHENKO / NEMTSCHENKO: Surazh, (Vitebsk), Belarus; Sweden;
St Petersburg, Russia
NIVOROSHKIN / NIVAROSCHKIN / NIWOROSCHKIN: Surazh, (Vitebsk),
Belarus; Sweden; Denmark


Arkey whose mother was from Eisiskes #lithuania

Arthur Golnick <agolnick@...>
 

Seek descendants of ARKEY (R-Key), family name unknown, a kohane, born ca.
1900 in Daugai, Eisiskes or Vilna, Lithuania, whose mother was of an
Eisiskes family either Gordon or Yurkanski.

Mother of Arkey died upon his birth, her family (Gordon or Yurkanski)
reared him, and Arkey did not use his father's family name.

Arkey had immigrated to the U. S. and was living in the Tampa. FL area.
Father of Arkey was Beryl Kagan of Daugai whose three sons >from a prior
marriage Joe, Leo & Abe Kagan in NYC did not want to know Arkey. He tried
to visit them in the 1930s.Was orally told of Gordon & Tampa. I knew of Arkey prior.

Possibly mother of Arkey of Yurkanski family based on marriage record I
got >from the Vilna archive. It says that in 1899 Daugai citizen Beryl Kagan a widower married Eisiskes citizen resident of Daugai Chai Pesa bat Moshe
Yakianski (sic).

Anyone know of Arkey?

Any Eisiskes people to contact who might know?

Any Eisiskes people in Tampa area to contact?

Any Eisiskes Gordon or Yurkanski people to contact not in family finder?

Arthur Golnick
Stony Brook, NY
agolnick@compuserve.com


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Arkey whose mother was from Eisiskes #lithuania

Arthur Golnick <agolnick@...>
 

Seek descendants of ARKEY (R-Key), family name unknown, a kohane, born ca.
1900 in Daugai, Eisiskes or Vilna, Lithuania, whose mother was of an
Eisiskes family either Gordon or Yurkanski.

Mother of Arkey died upon his birth, her family (Gordon or Yurkanski)
reared him, and Arkey did not use his father's family name.

Arkey had immigrated to the U. S. and was living in the Tampa. FL area.
Father of Arkey was Beryl Kagan of Daugai whose three sons >from a prior
marriage Joe, Leo & Abe Kagan in NYC did not want to know Arkey. He tried
to visit them in the 1930s.Was orally told of Gordon & Tampa. I knew of Arkey prior.

Possibly mother of Arkey of Yurkanski family based on marriage record I
got >from the Vilna archive. It says that in 1899 Daugai citizen Beryl Kagan a widower married Eisiskes citizen resident of Daugai Chai Pesa bat Moshe
Yakianski (sic).

Anyone know of Arkey?

Any Eisiskes people to contact who might know?

Any Eisiskes people in Tampa area to contact?

Any Eisiskes Gordon or Yurkanski people to contact not in family finder?

Arthur Golnick
Stony Brook, NY
agolnick@compuserve.com


Seta Candle Tax List of 1846 #lithuania

Richard A. Winer <rawiner@...>
 

The Candle Tax List of 1846 has been mailed to all contributors of the
Ukmerge Research Group. If any contributor has not received a copy of
this record, please let me know by private mail. Some mail did not go
through because of an incorrect e-dress.
Richard A. Winer
Coordinator of Ukmerge Research Group


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Seta Candle Tax List of 1846 #lithuania

Richard A. Winer <rawiner@...>
 

The Candle Tax List of 1846 has been mailed to all contributors of the
Ukmerge Research Group. If any contributor has not received a copy of
this record, please let me know by private mail. Some mail did not go
through because of an incorrect e-dress.
Richard A. Winer
Coordinator of Ukmerge Research Group