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Re: Shileyskoy Msoshchanskog #ukraine

P. Gowans <p2g@...>
 

Can you tell me anything more about "Shileyskii meshchanin"? I've been
searching for SCHILLER/SHILLER >from Berdychev area and was directed to
towns with the names of Shili, Shily, or possibly Shileskii or variants.
Where is your Shileyskii? What status is "meshchanin"? I'm clutching at
straws at this point, hoping that some bits of data will begin to connect.

Thanks
Paula Schiller Gowans
Sydney, Australia

Re: Shileyskoy Msoshchanskog

Hi Mitzi,
In the old Russian documents the name of a person was usually followed by
what status he/she had and in what place that status was given. One of the
statuses was "meshchanin" and such a person >from Kiev would be designated
as "Kievskii meshchanin". In your case it may be Shileyskii meshchanin.

Mark


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Shileyskoy Msoshchanskog #ukraine

P. Gowans <p2g@...>
 

Can you tell me anything more about "Shileyskii meshchanin"? I've been
searching for SCHILLER/SHILLER >from Berdychev area and was directed to
towns with the names of Shili, Shily, or possibly Shileskii or variants.
Where is your Shileyskii? What status is "meshchanin"? I'm clutching at
straws at this point, hoping that some bits of data will begin to connect.

Thanks
Paula Schiller Gowans
Sydney, Australia

Re: Shileyskoy Msoshchanskog

Hi Mitzi,
In the old Russian documents the name of a person was usually followed by
what status he/she had and in what place that status was given. One of the
statuses was "meshchanin" and such a person >from Kiev would be designated
as "Kievskii meshchanin". In your case it may be Shileyskii meshchanin.

Mark


Re: Yelisevetgrad #ukraine

HELENHARV@...
 

In a message dated 11/8/00 10:14:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Caitlyn O'Connell of Studio City, CA writes:

My family is >from Elizavetgrad, or Yelisevetgrad as you called it. The
maiden name is BRODSKY and they too emigrated to Canada, though I am
unsure where. If this sounds familiar to you, I can provide more
information.
Hello Caitlin:
Sorry, the name Brodsky doesn't ring a bell regarding my mother's
family. The only other name on that side of the family other than
SASLOVSKY would be my maternal grandmother's maiden name - TORGOVITSKY.
Does that register at all?

Harvey Levin
Huntington Beach, CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Yelisevetgrad #ukraine

HELENHARV@...
 

In a message dated 11/8/00 10:14:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Caitlyn O'Connell of Studio City, CA writes:

My family is >from Elizavetgrad, or Yelisevetgrad as you called it. The
maiden name is BRODSKY and they too emigrated to Canada, though I am
unsure where. If this sounds familiar to you, I can provide more
information.
Hello Caitlin:
Sorry, the name Brodsky doesn't ring a bell regarding my mother's
family. The only other name on that side of the family other than
SASLOVSKY would be my maternal grandmother's maiden name - TORGOVITSKY.
Does that register at all?

Harvey Levin
Huntington Beach, CA


Who has information about the mass grave in Simferopol? #ukraine

heruts <heruts@...>
 

Dear genners,
My great-grand mother: Batya ROSENBLUM and her daughter: Katya/Chasya
(probably with her own family) were killed by the Nazis in 1942 with 14,000
Simferopol's Jews.
Obviously it is very important for me to know as much what happened there.
Thank you for any information about those dark days.

Herut Shlomoff, Israel
heruts@netvision.net.il

Searching:
KAPAROVSKY, ORSHANSKY, BAKST >from Rechitsa/Belarus, Yaketerinoslav/Ukraine
ROSENBLUM, ROCHBERG >from Simferopol/Ukraine, Skvira/Ukraine
GERSHENGORN >from Kherson/Ukraine


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Who has information about the mass grave in Simferopol? #ukraine

heruts <heruts@...>
 

Dear genners,
My great-grand mother: Batya ROSENBLUM and her daughter: Katya/Chasya
(probably with her own family) were killed by the Nazis in 1942 with 14,000
Simferopol's Jews.
Obviously it is very important for me to know as much what happened there.
Thank you for any information about those dark days.

Herut Shlomoff, Israel
heruts@netvision.net.il

Searching:
KAPAROVSKY, ORSHANSKY, BAKST >from Rechitsa/Belarus, Yaketerinoslav/Ukraine
ROSENBLUM, ROCHBERG >from Simferopol/Ukraine, Skvira/Ukraine
GERSHENGORN >from Kherson/Ukraine


The anniversary of KRYSTALLNACHT [10 November 1938]. #southafrica

Herb E <heastern@...>
 

Today is the anniversary of KRYSTALLNACHT [10 November 1938].
Over 2000 synagogues in Germany were destroyed in the second WW.
However a digital reconstruction of many of these synagogues can be
experienced, [some in virtual 3-D projection], by visiting the
following web site


http://www.cad.architektur.tu-darmstadt.de/synagogen/inter/menu.html


Herb Epstein

heastern@netline.com.au

Melbourne, Australia


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Fwd: The anniversary of KRYSTALLNACHT [10 November 1938]. #southafrica

Herb E <heastern@...>
 

Today is the anniversary of KRYSTALLNACHT [10 November 1938].
Over 2000 synagogues in Germany were destroyed in the second WW.
However a digital reconstruction of many of these synagogues can be
experienced, [some in virtual 3-D projection], by visiting the
following web site


http://www.cad.architektur.tu-darmstadt.de/synagogen/inter/menu.html


Herb Epstein

heastern@netline.com.au

Melbourne, Australia


Re: Where is Djtoma? Ztomia? #general

Bronstein Family <sygaa@...>
 

In his message of 11-9-00 Mark Schwartz wanted what "Djotma" would be.

It appears to me that it must be a 'corruption' of Zhitomir.

Shabbat Shalom >from Jerusalem.
Shalom Bronstein, Jerusalem

Researching - SHULMAN/SHILLMAN - PANEVEZYS; BLOCH - KREKANAVA (Lithuania);
the DIMMERMAN, BECK & GELMAN families >from Ostrog & vicinity (Vohlyn);
BRONSTEIN, BROWNSTEIN, RUNSTEIN, ROCHMANN - Kishinev (Moldava); GOLDSTEIN -
Iasi (Romania) - those who came to America all settled in Philadelphia;
GOLDZWEIG & LETZTER - Cholojow/Uzlovoye (Eastern Galicia/Ukraine)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Where is Djtoma? Ztomia? #ukraine

Bronstein Family <sygaa@...>
 

In his message of 11-9-00 Mark Schwartz wanted what "Djotma" would be.

It appears to me that it must be a 'corruption' of Zhitomir.

Shabbat Shalom >from Jerusalem.
Shalom Bronstein, Jerusalem

Researching - SHULMAN/SHILLMAN - PANEVEZYS; BLOCH - KREKANAVA (Lithuania);
the DIMMERMAN, BECK & GELMAN families >from Ostrog & vicinity (Vohlyn);
BRONSTEIN, BROWNSTEIN, RUNSTEIN, ROCHMANN - Kishinev (Moldava); GOLDSTEIN -
Iasi (Romania) - those who came to America all settled in Philadelphia;
GOLDZWEIG & LETZTER - Cholojow/Uzlovoye (Eastern Galicia/Ukraine)


Re: " Where is Djtoma? Ztomia?" #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

In his message of 11-9-00 Mark Schwartz wanted where "Djotma"might be. It
was most probably Zhitomir-referring either to the city or the area for
which took its name >from the city.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: " Where is Djtoma? Ztomia?" #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

In his message of 11-9-00 Mark Schwartz wanted where "Djotma"might be. It
was most probably Zhitomir-referring either to the city or the area for
which took its name >from the city.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol.


Re: Where are magazine "The news of Deported People" and newspaper "New - Life" #hungary

Gabor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

Susanne Belovari schrieb:

Hallo!                                        8.11.00

I have been informed that there was a magazine "The name of deported people" as well as a
newspaper "New Life" that appeared in 1945 after the war.  In those papers, people made
inquiries for lost family members.  The Jewish Community seems to have been the
publisher?

Does anyone know where these papers are located? In Hungary? and its
National Library?  Or?

Also: there seems to be an orbituary collection in Hungary that might
contain obituaries of Jews having died in the holocaust. Does anyone know
where this collection might be located? And has anyone had experience in
using it and thought it useful?

I have already contacted the National Library of Hungary with the above
questions.

Thank you, Susanne Belovari
I don't quite understand your question. Neither  "The name of deported people" nor the "New
Life" seems to be Hungarian and don't think that there was a paper in Hungary with that
name. At the same time there was/is a biweekly paper of the Jewish communities "Uj Elet"
which is the translation of "New Life" the paper exists in Hungary, the publisher is
located as other offices of the Jewish communities in Sip utca 12, H-1075 Budapest. Its
probable that returnees looked there for friends and family members. There were also
several books published listing the returnees and victims of the Shoa. One of it is "Te
vagy a tanu" published in 1947 which lists on 273 pages persons, families perished and also
returnees. The information were supplied by the survivors. Some communities published in
the meantime name lists of the victims but in the majority, we are still waiting. There was
a list, prepared on the order and delivered on mid April 1944 of the occupying German
authorities which - in my opinion - was the base of the deportation lists. I found the one
from my ghetto in the archive of the gendarmerie district we belonged too. It included
Battonya (129 Person), Bekes (198 P), Bekescsaba (2049 P), Endrod (88 P), Gyula (242 P),
Mezökovacshaza (417 P), Oroshaza (645 P), Totkomlos (146 P), I didn't found the lists of
Banhegyes and Szarvas. During some visit in the county archive's registry of dead (1946 -
1948) I found 620 Persons declared dead by family members, for quite different reasons, the
majority of this persons were murdered at arrival in Auschwitz. So you have to go sometimes
to the archives and browse through the books to find the information, you are looking for.
This is something which the different communities neglected. There are also some newer
publications >from towns and villages but the majority of information waits to be dig up.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Where are magazine "The news of Deported People" and newspaper "New - Life" #hungary

Gabor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

Susanne Belovari schrieb:

Hallo!                                        8.11.00

I have been informed that there was a magazine "The name of deported people" as well as a
newspaper "New Life" that appeared in 1945 after the war.  In those papers, people made
inquiries for lost family members.  The Jewish Community seems to have been the
publisher?

Does anyone know where these papers are located? In Hungary? and its
National Library?  Or?

Also: there seems to be an orbituary collection in Hungary that might
contain obituaries of Jews having died in the holocaust. Does anyone know
where this collection might be located? And has anyone had experience in
using it and thought it useful?

I have already contacted the National Library of Hungary with the above
questions.

Thank you, Susanne Belovari
I don't quite understand your question. Neither  "The name of deported people" nor the "New
Life" seems to be Hungarian and don't think that there was a paper in Hungary with that
name. At the same time there was/is a biweekly paper of the Jewish communities "Uj Elet"
which is the translation of "New Life" the paper exists in Hungary, the publisher is
located as other offices of the Jewish communities in Sip utca 12, H-1075 Budapest. Its
probable that returnees looked there for friends and family members. There were also
several books published listing the returnees and victims of the Shoa. One of it is "Te
vagy a tanu" published in 1947 which lists on 273 pages persons, families perished and also
returnees. The information were supplied by the survivors. Some communities published in
the meantime name lists of the victims but in the majority, we are still waiting. There was
a list, prepared on the order and delivered on mid April 1944 of the occupying German
authorities which - in my opinion - was the base of the deportation lists. I found the one
from my ghetto in the archive of the gendarmerie district we belonged too. It included
Battonya (129 Person), Bekes (198 P), Bekescsaba (2049 P), Endrod (88 P), Gyula (242 P),
Mezökovacshaza (417 P), Oroshaza (645 P), Totkomlos (146 P), I didn't found the lists of
Banhegyes and Szarvas. During some visit in the county archive's registry of dead (1946 -
1948) I found 620 Persons declared dead by family members, for quite different reasons, the
majority of this persons were murdered at arrival in Auschwitz. So you have to go sometimes
to the archives and browse through the books to find the information, you are looking for.
This is something which the different communities neglected. There are also some newer
publications >from towns and villages but the majority of information waits to be dig up.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


Re: Budapest BMD #hungary

korman3 <korman3@...>
 

I'm not sure what report/paper you're talking about, but if nobody can
answer your question, I can give you all of the film numbers and explain
the districts to you.

Debbi


Re: Where are magazine "The news of Deported People" and newspaper "New Life" #hungary

Bob Friedman <inwood@...>
 

The YIVO Library at the Center for Jewish History in NYC has various
issues (not a complete set) of Uj Elet (New Life) >from 1945-1965.
They are cataloged under three different call numbers: 15/8892,
15/6822, and 15/5751. I haven't looked at these items yet, but I can
check them next week and give a fuller report.

Bob Friedman, NYC
inwood@pipeline.com

On Thu, 09 Nov 2000 20:40:20 CET, Susanne Belovari wrote:

I have been informed that there was a magazine "The name of deported =
people"=20
as well as a newspaper "New Life" that appeared in 1945 after the war. =
...
Does anyone know where these papers are located?=20


Moving to Florida (off topic) #hungary

Margarita Lacko <uzidog@...>
 

Dear H-siggers,

Keeping with what has become a tradition, we are moving again!
This time we thought of following the path of birds that emigrate to warmer
grounds during the arctic northern winters. Although our move will be more
definite. At least, that's what I hope.

Miami Beach, here we come! We'll be there in about a month.

I write this to all of you so that my future descendants will be able to
trace me.
As always, my e-mail will remain the same.

I wish you all a happy hunting.

Margarita Lackó
Mile High City
uzidog@post1.com

searching:
LEICHT: Austria; Dunajska Streda & Cecinska Poton & Pozsony, Slovakia;
Gyor & Budapest, Hungary
WEISS/WEISZ: Dunajska Streda & Brezno, Slovakia; Budapest, Hungary
GRUNWALD: Dunajska Streda, Slovakia; Budapest, Hungary
SZERDAHELYI: Dunajska Streda, Slovakia, Budapest, Hungary
FLEISCHMANN: Dunajska Streda, Slovakia
LEDERER:Dunajska Streda, Slovakia
KORNFELD: Dunajska Streda, Slovakia
KURCZ: Trnava & Dunajska Streda & Ivanka, Slovakia
ADLER (SAS): Gyor, Hungary
KELLER: Gyor, Hungary
REISZ: Samorin, Slovakia
BLAU: Abaujszanto & Miskolc & Budapest, Hungary; Beregszasz, Ukraine;
New York & Maryland & others, USA; Israel
BANO: Miskolc & Budapest, Hungary
FISCHER: Gyongyos & Miskolc & Budapest, Hungary
KOHN: Tolcsva, Hungary; New York & Los Angeles, USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Budapest BMD #hungary

korman3 <korman3@...>
 

I'm not sure what report/paper you're talking about, but if nobody can
answer your question, I can give you all of the film numbers and explain
the districts to you.

Debbi


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Where are magazine "The news of Deported People" and newspaper "New Life" #hungary

Bob Friedman <inwood@...>
 

The YIVO Library at the Center for Jewish History in NYC has various
issues (not a complete set) of Uj Elet (New Life) >from 1945-1965.
They are cataloged under three different call numbers: 15/8892,
15/6822, and 15/5751. I haven't looked at these items yet, but I can
check them next week and give a fuller report.

Bob Friedman, NYC
inwood@pipeline.com

On Thu, 09 Nov 2000 20:40:20 CET, Susanne Belovari wrote:

I have been informed that there was a magazine "The name of deported =
people"=20
as well as a newspaper "New Life" that appeared in 1945 after the war. =
...
Does anyone know where these papers are located?=20


Hungary SIG #Hungary Moving to Florida (off topic) #hungary

Margarita Lacko <uzidog@...>
 

Dear H-siggers,

Keeping with what has become a tradition, we are moving again!
This time we thought of following the path of birds that emigrate to warmer
grounds during the arctic northern winters. Although our move will be more
definite. At least, that's what I hope.

Miami Beach, here we come! We'll be there in about a month.

I write this to all of you so that my future descendants will be able to
trace me.
As always, my e-mail will remain the same.

I wish you all a happy hunting.

Margarita Lackó
Mile High City
uzidog@post1.com

searching:
LEICHT: Austria; Dunajska Streda & Cecinska Poton & Pozsony, Slovakia;
Gyor & Budapest, Hungary
WEISS/WEISZ: Dunajska Streda & Brezno, Slovakia; Budapest, Hungary
GRUNWALD: Dunajska Streda, Slovakia; Budapest, Hungary
SZERDAHELYI: Dunajska Streda, Slovakia, Budapest, Hungary
FLEISCHMANN: Dunajska Streda, Slovakia
LEDERER:Dunajska Streda, Slovakia
KORNFELD: Dunajska Streda, Slovakia
KURCZ: Trnava & Dunajska Streda & Ivanka, Slovakia
ADLER (SAS): Gyor, Hungary
KELLER: Gyor, Hungary
REISZ: Samorin, Slovakia
BLAU: Abaujszanto & Miskolc & Budapest, Hungary; Beregszasz, Ukraine;
New York & Maryland & others, USA; Israel
BANO: Miskolc & Budapest, Hungary
FISCHER: Gyongyos & Miskolc & Budapest, Hungary
KOHN: Tolcsva, Hungary; New York & Los Angeles, USA