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Re: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow #ciechanow #poland

A Jendrzejewski <ajend@...>
 


What is the significance of the "owicz?"
Owicz is one of the several Polish suffixes meaning
"son of".


#Ciechanow #Poland Re: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow #ciechanow #poland

A Jendrzejewski <ajend@...>
 


What is the significance of the "owicz?"
Owicz is one of the several Polish suffixes meaning
"son of".


Re: rokonstein,etc..... #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

Thanks! It was fantastic. All three were about my GGGF. Although, one of them I knew.

Thanks again. It is a great place for search.

Attila

mod.- I have no recall about this. But any message that has this much
praise shouldn't be dismissed.LS


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: rokonstein,etc..... #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

Thanks! It was fantastic. All three were about my GGGF. Although, one of them I knew.

Thanks again. It is a great place for search.

Attila

mod.- I have no recall about this. But any message that has this much
praise shouldn't be dismissed.LS


A success story via serendipity #hungary

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

I want to share this story to illustrate how a bit of mazel played a key
role in discovering a family group that was completely unknown to me. At
the end of this story, I will also point out some differences between vital
records obtained >from Vienna and those >from the Family HIstory Library.

Three years ago, I saw the name of a Helene Klein on a 1903 passenger ship
manifest >from New York. I had not seen this name before, but there was some
clues that suggested Helene might be related to my family. Further research
failed to find further information about her activities in the States until
earlier this year when my Israeli son, Robert, saw her name mentioned in a
witness sheet submitted to Yad Vashem by my uncle in 1955. We still could
not discern >from the witness sheet the relationship of Helene to my uncle
or to the family. Helene and her husband were mentioned as the parents of
the Holocaust victim, Olga, who was born in Vienna in 1913. Apparently,
Helene returned to Europe, got married, and settled in Vienna with her
husband.

Robert contacted the archives in Vienna and received information of
Helene's death in 1933, her husband's death in 1938, Olga's birth, her
deportation to Minsk in 1942, and the birth in 1921 of her brother,
Leopold, who "disappeared" after 1938. Surely, we thought, this was the
end of the line for researching this family group. Nevertheless, the data
from Vienna added to the suggestion that Helene was linked to our family.
There were indications that Helene was originally >from western Slovakia,
the same region as that of my ancestors.

Expecting a negative response, I e-mailed Vienna and asked for probate
records on Helene and/or her husband. I was surprised when a copy of
Helene's probate record arrived by mail. >from this record I learned that
Helene had a married sister, Kathe, living in Vienna. Once again, I
contacted Vienna and asked for records on Kathe, her husband, and children
if any. The initial response >from Vienna was that they were not able to
find such information. This occurred last June. Five months later, I
received a letter >from Vienna giving me the vital information, not only on
Kathe and her husband, but also about their two sons, Max and Ernst.
All four were reported by Vienna to have emigrated to America in 1938-39!

Since both sons would now be in their late 80's, I promptly searched the
SSDI and found nothing. Were they still alive? Armed only with their names
and birth dates, I utilized the web site, anybirthday.com. This site is
based on public records and allows one to search for birthdates given a
name and location. Since I had no idea of location, I simply entered the
names and compared the results with the dates I had in hand. I found Max
living in Mississippi. Using the Internet phone directory, I called and
spoke to his wife who confirmed the information that I had about Max and
his family. Max was not at home at the time.

Not only is Max alive and well, so is his brother, Ernst, who is living
with his wife in North Carolina just 50 miles >from my home! In the course
of my conversation with Max's wife, she remarked how nice it was to learn
that Max and Ersnt have family here in the States other than a cousin with
whom they have been in constant touch. "Who is this cousin?", I asked. I
was shocked when she told me it was Leopold, Helene's son. He had emigrated
here in 1939 and was now living in New York with his wife.

I spoke to all three men and we delighted in sharing memories about the
family and our connections. The trail >from the 1903 ship manifest to Yad
Vashem, Vienna, and the Internet was a wonderous adventure thanks to
Helene's probate record. Without this document, I probably would never
have discovered the existence of yet another branch of our family tree. It
turns out that Helene, sister Kathe, and their siblings were the children
of my grandfather's oldest brother, Jakob.

Regarding the archives of Vienna, I have nothing but praise for their
program and eagerness to provide as much information as they can possibly
find. I received documents >from them that I know I would not have been able
to find through other means. However, I should caution the reader to look
elsewhere for vital records pertaining to Vienna in addition to obtaining
such records directly >from Vienna. The FHL has microfilms of births,
marriages, and deaths in Vienna >from about 1826-1938. For example, I
compared the birth records of Olga and Leopold >from FHL with those from
Vienna, and found that Vienna had omitted a number of interesting pieces of
information. These omissions had no effect on the outcome of my research,
but it was interesting to see that the original documents as seen on the
FHL microfilms had Nazi annotations dated in 1939. I presume these birth
records were being used by the Nazis to identify the Jews of Vienna and
their whereabouts.

The sad story about Olga is that she had the opportunity to leave with
Leopold when he emigrated to the U.S in mid-1939. She turned down the offer
because she had a boyfriend who soon afterwards jilted her. By the time she
sought permission to emigrate, it was too late.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC


Re: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow #ciechanow #poland

Jonathan Goldmacher <JGoldmacher@...>
 

Majer is the son of Mosek.

Mosek is the son of Mortko.

"ggold" <ggold@tennesseelawyer.com> 12/05/00 09:53PM >>>
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The groom is Majer Bursztyn, son of Mosek (son of Mortko) and Chaja Sura
(daughter of Wolf). Majer was 19 when the marriage was reported in
Ciechanow during 1836. No information on the bride appears in the index =
but
will in the actual record.

Regards,

Jonathan Goldmacher

With regard to "Mosek Mortkowicz," is Majer the son of Mosek and Mosek the
son of Mortko, or is Mosek and Mortko the same?

Regards,

Gary Goldstein




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Ah! I checked the main Ciechanow page and the "Type
M" does stand for "marriage records".

So I am also confused by the headings at the top of
the table.
SURNAME: BURSZTYN
GIVEN NAMES: Majer
AKT: 2
FATHER: Mosek Mortkowicz
MOTHER: Chaja Sura Wolfow
AGE: 19
TOWN: Ciechanow
YEAR: 1836
TYPE: M
FILM: 702466

This does not make it clear who the bride and groom
are. Mosek and Chaja are listed as parents, but
chaja is only 19!

Andy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marti Wulfow Garner" <wulfow@mindspring.com>
To: "Ciechanow Research Group"
<ciechanow@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:13 PM
Subject: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow


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I was very suprised to see the surname Wulfow
listed in some of the
Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are my
fathers brothers and their
wives and children. My grandfather left Russia to
avoid serving in the
Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know this
date because my
grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for a
visit and then went back.
This is the last we heard >from them. This
greatuncle supposedly went back
because his wife did not wish to leave her
belongings behind which she would
have had to done to emigrate.

Does anyone know why I might have found my surname
in the lists located at
www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and what
this means. I am
clueless.
Thanks for any help
Marti Wulfow Garner


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Hungary SIG #Hungary A success story via serendipity #hungary

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

I want to share this story to illustrate how a bit of mazel played a key
role in discovering a family group that was completely unknown to me. At
the end of this story, I will also point out some differences between vital
records obtained >from Vienna and those >from the Family HIstory Library.

Three years ago, I saw the name of a Helene Klein on a 1903 passenger ship
manifest >from New York. I had not seen this name before, but there was some
clues that suggested Helene might be related to my family. Further research
failed to find further information about her activities in the States until
earlier this year when my Israeli son, Robert, saw her name mentioned in a
witness sheet submitted to Yad Vashem by my uncle in 1955. We still could
not discern >from the witness sheet the relationship of Helene to my uncle
or to the family. Helene and her husband were mentioned as the parents of
the Holocaust victim, Olga, who was born in Vienna in 1913. Apparently,
Helene returned to Europe, got married, and settled in Vienna with her
husband.

Robert contacted the archives in Vienna and received information of
Helene's death in 1933, her husband's death in 1938, Olga's birth, her
deportation to Minsk in 1942, and the birth in 1921 of her brother,
Leopold, who "disappeared" after 1938. Surely, we thought, this was the
end of the line for researching this family group. Nevertheless, the data
from Vienna added to the suggestion that Helene was linked to our family.
There were indications that Helene was originally >from western Slovakia,
the same region as that of my ancestors.

Expecting a negative response, I e-mailed Vienna and asked for probate
records on Helene and/or her husband. I was surprised when a copy of
Helene's probate record arrived by mail. >from this record I learned that
Helene had a married sister, Kathe, living in Vienna. Once again, I
contacted Vienna and asked for records on Kathe, her husband, and children
if any. The initial response >from Vienna was that they were not able to
find such information. This occurred last June. Five months later, I
received a letter >from Vienna giving me the vital information, not only on
Kathe and her husband, but also about their two sons, Max and Ernst.
All four were reported by Vienna to have emigrated to America in 1938-39!

Since both sons would now be in their late 80's, I promptly searched the
SSDI and found nothing. Were they still alive? Armed only with their names
and birth dates, I utilized the web site, anybirthday.com. This site is
based on public records and allows one to search for birthdates given a
name and location. Since I had no idea of location, I simply entered the
names and compared the results with the dates I had in hand. I found Max
living in Mississippi. Using the Internet phone directory, I called and
spoke to his wife who confirmed the information that I had about Max and
his family. Max was not at home at the time.

Not only is Max alive and well, so is his brother, Ernst, who is living
with his wife in North Carolina just 50 miles >from my home! In the course
of my conversation with Max's wife, she remarked how nice it was to learn
that Max and Ersnt have family here in the States other than a cousin with
whom they have been in constant touch. "Who is this cousin?", I asked. I
was shocked when she told me it was Leopold, Helene's son. He had emigrated
here in 1939 and was now living in New York with his wife.

I spoke to all three men and we delighted in sharing memories about the
family and our connections. The trail >from the 1903 ship manifest to Yad
Vashem, Vienna, and the Internet was a wonderous adventure thanks to
Helene's probate record. Without this document, I probably would never
have discovered the existence of yet another branch of our family tree. It
turns out that Helene, sister Kathe, and their siblings were the children
of my grandfather's oldest brother, Jakob.

Regarding the archives of Vienna, I have nothing but praise for their
program and eagerness to provide as much information as they can possibly
find. I received documents >from them that I know I would not have been able
to find through other means. However, I should caution the reader to look
elsewhere for vital records pertaining to Vienna in addition to obtaining
such records directly >from Vienna. The FHL has microfilms of births,
marriages, and deaths in Vienna >from about 1826-1938. For example, I
compared the birth records of Olga and Leopold >from FHL with those from
Vienna, and found that Vienna had omitted a number of interesting pieces of
information. These omissions had no effect on the outcome of my research,
but it was interesting to see that the original documents as seen on the
FHL microfilms had Nazi annotations dated in 1939. I presume these birth
records were being used by the Nazis to identify the Jews of Vienna and
their whereabouts.

The sad story about Olga is that she had the opportunity to leave with
Leopold when he emigrated to the U.S in mid-1939. She turned down the offer
because she had a boyfriend who soon afterwards jilted her. By the time she
sought permission to emigrate, it was too late.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC


#Ciechanow #Poland Re: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow #poland #ciechanow

Jonathan Goldmacher <JGoldmacher@...>
 

Majer is the son of Mosek.

Mosek is the son of Mortko.

"ggold" <ggold@tennesseelawyer.com> 12/05/00 09:53PM >>>
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The groom is Majer Bursztyn, son of Mosek (son of Mortko) and Chaja Sura
(daughter of Wolf). Majer was 19 when the marriage was reported in
Ciechanow during 1836. No information on the bride appears in the index =
but
will in the actual record.

Regards,

Jonathan Goldmacher

With regard to "Mosek Mortkowicz," is Majer the son of Mosek and Mosek the
son of Mortko, or is Mosek and Mortko the same?

Regards,

Gary Goldstein




"A Jendrzejewski" <ajend@vincennes.net> 12/05/00 10:10AM >>>
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Ah! I checked the main Ciechanow page and the "Type
M" does stand for "marriage records".

So I am also confused by the headings at the top of
the table.
SURNAME: BURSZTYN
GIVEN NAMES: Majer
AKT: 2
FATHER: Mosek Mortkowicz
MOTHER: Chaja Sura Wolfow
AGE: 19
TOWN: Ciechanow
YEAR: 1836
TYPE: M
FILM: 702466

This does not make it clear who the bride and groom
are. Mosek and Chaja are listed as parents, but
chaja is only 19!

Andy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marti Wulfow Garner" <wulfow@mindspring.com>
To: "Ciechanow Research Group"
<ciechanow@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:13 PM
Subject: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow


This list is supported by JewishGen. Please show
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I was very suprised to see the surname Wulfow
listed in some of the
Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are my
fathers brothers and their
wives and children. My grandfather left Russia to
avoid serving in the
Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know this
date because my
grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for a
visit and then went back.
This is the last we heard >from them. This
greatuncle supposedly went back
because his wife did not wish to leave her
belongings behind which she would
have had to done to emigrate.

Does anyone know why I might have found my surname
in the lists located at
www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and what
this means. I am
clueless.
Thanks for any help
Marti Wulfow Garner


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Re: Questions posted here #ukraine

SiCanto@...
 

In a message dated 12/6/00 4:27:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
JGLois@aol.com writes:

<< If you are serious about finding your family history, as opposed
to just "throwing" out the names on the net in order to see what
comes your way, you must familiarize yourself with the co >>

How about taking advantage of everything, including throwing out the names on
the net just to see what happens? I did that once and ended up connecting
with a man who grew up next door to my aunt and uncle. We had a nice chat.

With some other cousins, someone saw my post and wrote to say that her
husband and my great-uncle's son-in-law were both reform rabbis and she gave
me the name of their congregation. I eventually found my cousins; and, I
think, gave this person some pleasure in helping to connect us.

Cheryl Kantor
Arizona


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Questions posted here #ukraine

SiCanto@...
 

In a message dated 12/6/00 4:27:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
JGLois@aol.com writes:

<< If you are serious about finding your family history, as opposed
to just "throwing" out the names on the net in order to see what
comes your way, you must familiarize yourself with the co >>

How about taking advantage of everything, including throwing out the names on
the net just to see what happens? I did that once and ended up connecting
with a man who grew up next door to my aunt and uncle. We had a nice chat.

With some other cousins, someone saw my post and wrote to say that her
husband and my great-uncle's son-in-law were both reform rabbis and she gave
me the name of their congregation. I eventually found my cousins; and, I
think, gave this person some pleasure in helping to connect us.

Cheryl Kantor
Arizona


Verified Virus Information #courland #latvia

joan breslow <webjoan@...>
 

It was a little tricky finding this, but there's a description of this
virus (first identified on 30 November), along with advice on how to
remove
it and restore files, at the following Symantech site:

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.prolin.worm.html

It was first identified on 30 November 2000. It's important to have
up-to-date anti-virus software! I just purchased and installed Norton
Internet Security 2001, which has a firewall to protect you while you're
on
the Internet and also includes anti-virus software to protect your
e-mail.
The only trouble is, you have to uninstall the Norton before you install

other software. However, the Norton software uninstalls and reinstalls
fairly fast.

Another site to check would be
McAfee.http://www.mcafee.com/anti-virus/viruses/prolin/default.asp


Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia Verified Virus Information #courland #latvia

joan breslow <webjoan@...>
 

It was a little tricky finding this, but there's a description of this
virus (first identified on 30 November), along with advice on how to
remove
it and restore files, at the following Symantech site:

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.prolin.worm.html

It was first identified on 30 November 2000. It's important to have
up-to-date anti-virus software! I just purchased and installed Norton
Internet Security 2001, which has a firewall to protect you while you're
on
the Internet and also includes anti-virus software to protect your
e-mail.
The only trouble is, you have to uninstall the Norton before you install

other software. However, the Norton software uninstalls and reinstalls
fairly fast.

Another site to check would be
McAfee.http://www.mcafee.com/anti-virus/viruses/prolin/default.asp


Request for info #ukraine

Thia <thiap@...>
 

Shalom,
I have received this messege/request >from a person in Ukraine.
As I do not have the information that he wants, I am hoping that
you Can help with advice and suggestion?

"...Do you know adreses of Israely archives (especially historic)where
are date (Death, Marriage, Birth, Age, Place of birth and ather
information) about people, which lived in Palestine or migrated to
Palestine in XIX-1-st half of XX centuries?"

Thia Peroff.
thiap@thegrid.net
Cambria, Ca.

Modertor note: Please respond privately


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Request for info #ukraine

Thia <thiap@...>
 

Shalom,
I have received this messege/request >from a person in Ukraine.
As I do not have the information that he wants, I am hoping that
you Can help with advice and suggestion?

"...Do you know adreses of Israely archives (especially historic)where
are date (Death, Marriage, Birth, Age, Place of birth and ather
information) about people, which lived in Palestine or migrated to
Palestine in XIX-1-st half of XX centuries?"

Thia Peroff.
thiap@thegrid.net
Cambria, Ca.

Modertor note: Please respond privately


Message from Moderator #ciechanow #poland

stanz@...
 

Hi all,

I am supposed to be the moderator of the Ciechanow List which
means that everything posted comes to me first and then I approve
same for posting. That's what I have been doing. The List has been
relatively inactive during its life so there has not been much need
for me to hone my moderating skills. Although the recent exchange
has been narrowly focussed amongst individuals and perhaps at a
certain stage could be handled by person to person email, I think
that the clarification of the questions raised could be useful to
many others. I am sure that we are probably ready to wrap things
up on these questions pretty soon so I ask all our members to bear
with us for just a bit longer if necessary.

Stan Zeidenberg


#Ciechanow #Poland Message from Moderator #ciechanow #poland

stanz@...
 

Hi all,

I am supposed to be the moderator of the Ciechanow List which
means that everything posted comes to me first and then I approve
same for posting. That's what I have been doing. The List has been
relatively inactive during its life so there has not been much need
for me to hone my moderating skills. Although the recent exchange
has been narrowly focussed amongst individuals and perhaps at a
certain stage could be handled by person to person email, I think
that the clarification of the questions raised could be useful to
many others. I am sure that we are probably ready to wrap things
up on these questions pretty soon so I ask all our members to bear
with us for just a bit longer if necessary.

Stan Zeidenberg


Re: Questions posted here #ukraine

JGLois@...
 

I would respectfully like to contribute some (hopefully)
constructive criticism of recent typical postings on this digest.
Before I get specific, I am aware that many of those posting
here are new to genealogy, Jewish genealogy specifically, and
the resources of Jewishgen.

If you are serious about finding your family history, as opposed
to just "throwing" out the names on the net in order to see what
comes your way, you must familiarize yourself with the concepts
of genealogical searching and the specific resources
available on Jewishgen. Both can be accomplished by going
to the Jewishgen website and reading the exceptional FAQ's.
There you will learn about the basic document search and
other common strategies for beginning your research.

Even if you are not inclined to do the requisite research you can at
least do some basic searching on the Internet.

For instance you can select a search engine (my preference
these days is Google.com) and type in a surname or a the name of
a town.


Now, I will address a few specifics:

"The family name or any phonetically similar names was
westernized by some immigration official"

This last point has been addressed hundreds of times in the six and
one-half years I have participated in Jewishgen and it's other resources
(like this forum.) There were NO name changes made by immigration
officials. They had no opportunity to do so. There are a lot of reasons
and explanations for name changes all of which can be found in the
Info. Files or Archives on Jewishgen. [Please don't flame me with stories
to that effect >from your family lore. Although your relatives may have
perceived that situation it was not the correct perception.

"I am looking for other people who are researching the town of
Kremenchug"

Type "Kremenchug" in the Google search engine and you will
get 1,850 hits. Not all are in English and not all sites are operational
but I found much general information, and photography, about the place,
(including many woman >from there who are looking to find a
man in the US ;~)

Lois Sernoff <JGLois@aol.com>

Researching:
MEZHIRITZKY [MERITZ, MARRITZ, MARRITS] >from Korsun in Kiev Gub. to Phila.
SOSNOVSKY [SOSNOFSKY, SOSNOV - all spelling variations] >from Gorodishche
in Cherkassy uezd, Kiev Gub. to Philadelphia, PA or anywhere.
FRIEDMAN >from Beltsy/Balti ["Bels" Bessarabia] Moldova to anywhere
KUSHNER [all spelling variations} >from Tomashpol and Yampol in Podolia Gub. to anywhere

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Questions posted here #ukraine

JGLois@...
 

I would respectfully like to contribute some (hopefully)
constructive criticism of recent typical postings on this digest.
Before I get specific, I am aware that many of those posting
here are new to genealogy, Jewish genealogy specifically, and
the resources of Jewishgen.

If you are serious about finding your family history, as opposed
to just "throwing" out the names on the net in order to see what
comes your way, you must familiarize yourself with the concepts
of genealogical searching and the specific resources
available on Jewishgen. Both can be accomplished by going
to the Jewishgen website and reading the exceptional FAQ's.
There you will learn about the basic document search and
other common strategies for beginning your research.

Even if you are not inclined to do the requisite research you can at
least do some basic searching on the Internet.

For instance you can select a search engine (my preference
these days is Google.com) and type in a surname or a the name of
a town.


Now, I will address a few specifics:

"The family name or any phonetically similar names was
westernized by some immigration official"

This last point has been addressed hundreds of times in the six and
one-half years I have participated in Jewishgen and it's other resources
(like this forum.) There were NO name changes made by immigration
officials. They had no opportunity to do so. There are a lot of reasons
and explanations for name changes all of which can be found in the
Info. Files or Archives on Jewishgen. [Please don't flame me with stories
to that effect >from your family lore. Although your relatives may have
perceived that situation it was not the correct perception.

"I am looking for other people who are researching the town of
Kremenchug"

Type "Kremenchug" in the Google search engine and you will
get 1,850 hits. Not all are in English and not all sites are operational
but I found much general information, and photography, about the place,
(including many woman >from there who are looking to find a
man in the US ;~)

Lois Sernoff <JGLois@aol.com>

Researching:
MEZHIRITZKY [MERITZ, MARRITZ, MARRITS] >from Korsun in Kiev Gub. to Phila.
SOSNOVSKY [SOSNOFSKY, SOSNOV - all spelling variations] >from Gorodishche
in Cherkassy uezd, Kiev Gub. to Philadelphia, PA or anywhere.
FRIEDMAN >from Beltsy/Balti ["Bels" Bessarabia] Moldova to anywhere
KUSHNER [all spelling variations} >from Tomashpol and Yampol in Podolia Gub. to anywhere

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Re: Romanian phonebook online #hungary

David and BethLong <dnblong@...>
 

Dear Janos and Others,

Here is the URL for the online Romanian phone book. Remember, the current
Romanian county names are not the same as those of the former hungarian
counties.

http://www.whitepages.ro/


Best Regards,

Beth Long
dnblong@cts.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Janos Bogardi / Radix [SMTP:janos@bogardi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:12 PM
To: Beth Long
Subject: Romanian phonebook online

Dear Beth Long,

In a recent message to Hungary-L you wrote:

The Romanian phone book is online, and I found the following in Hargita
County:

??GYUJTO EVA
Adresa: Mihail Sadoveanu, Nr. 4, Sc. B, Etaj , Apart. 14, MIERCUREA CIUC,
210, 4100, Telefon: 066.112818
<snip>

Oh, that's great news! Beth, would you care to post the URL of the
phonebook to the Hungarian genealogy related lists? I mean HUNGARY-L of
rootsweb, the H-SIG of Jewishgen and also the BANAT-L of rootsweb. I don
not think this has been posted before, although this could be of interest
for many.

Thank you!

Sincerely,

Janos Bogardi / Radix.
http://www.bogardi.com/gen/


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Carol Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

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