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The Krause/Horn Family #usa

Darkside24us@...
 

Hi all,

My name is Shawn Shanholtzer. I am trying to find my ancestors >from IL. I
have Elizabeth Krause b. 2-4-1819 in Bavaria, Germany and Henry Horn b.
3-26-1810 in Bavaria, Germany. They were married in 1840 in Germany. They
came across the Atlantic in 1844 with their daughter. On the trip over
Elizabeth gave birth to a son (5-23-1844). The trip took them 6 weeks and
they landed in New Orleans, LA. Henry went up the MS River to find a place
for his family. He settled in Mt. Pulaski, IL and then sent for the family.
Elizabeth and Henry had a total of 8 children:
Mary b. 9-4-1841 in Germany
Martin Paulus b. 5-23-1844 while aboard ship
John b. 12-27-1847
Nicholas b. 2-5-1850
Rosa Anna b. 12-14-1854
HenryJr., 10-5-1857
Katherine b. 9-23-1859
Elizabeth b. 1-21-1864 (this is my gg grandmother)

Does anyone out there have information on this family? Or maybe know of how I
can find out what ship they came across in? Or any other information that
would help me locate this family prior to them coming across?

Thank you so much for your help in advance.

Shawn Shanholtzer
Manteo, NC


Early American SIG #USA The Krause/Horn Family #usa

Darkside24us@...
 

Hi all,

My name is Shawn Shanholtzer. I am trying to find my ancestors >from IL. I
have Elizabeth Krause b. 2-4-1819 in Bavaria, Germany and Henry Horn b.
3-26-1810 in Bavaria, Germany. They were married in 1840 in Germany. They
came across the Atlantic in 1844 with their daughter. On the trip over
Elizabeth gave birth to a son (5-23-1844). The trip took them 6 weeks and
they landed in New Orleans, LA. Henry went up the MS River to find a place
for his family. He settled in Mt. Pulaski, IL and then sent for the family.
Elizabeth and Henry had a total of 8 children:
Mary b. 9-4-1841 in Germany
Martin Paulus b. 5-23-1844 while aboard ship
John b. 12-27-1847
Nicholas b. 2-5-1850
Rosa Anna b. 12-14-1854
HenryJr., 10-5-1857
Katherine b. 9-23-1859
Elizabeth b. 1-21-1864 (this is my gg grandmother)

Does anyone out there have information on this family? Or maybe know of how I
can find out what ship they came across in? Or any other information that
would help me locate this family prior to them coming across?

Thank you so much for your help in advance.

Shawn Shanholtzer
Manteo, NC


Re: Vedomosti Project #ukraine

SingingTM@...
 

In a message dated 1/10/2001 1:05:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< As you are probably aware, the Ukraine SIG is investigating the feasibility
of purchasing microfilm of the Kiev Gubernskie Vedomosti, in order to
translate relevant material & make it available on our website. This is
what we've learned so far.

There are 136 reels of microfilm.
In correspondence with the NYPL, we were given this information. The
Gubernskie Vedomosti is on hundreds of microfilm reels. It is too expensive
and almost impossible to make hard copies. >>

Have these records ever been microfilmed by the Latter Day Saints?
If so, copies of the microfilms could be ordered through the Family History
Centers and made available at any Centers desired worldwide.
If they have never been microfilmed by LDS, then you may want to contact the
LDS about options for making the records available. Their involvement could
relieve U SIG of the financial burden of doing it ourselves while making the
records available to the group.

Contact me privately for more information.

Jeff Miller
Olney, Maryland
SingingTM@aol.com


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Vedomosti Project #ukraine

SingingTM@...
 

In a message dated 1/10/2001 1:05:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< As you are probably aware, the Ukraine SIG is investigating the feasibility
of purchasing microfilm of the Kiev Gubernskie Vedomosti, in order to
translate relevant material & make it available on our website. This is
what we've learned so far.

There are 136 reels of microfilm.
In correspondence with the NYPL, we were given this information. The
Gubernskie Vedomosti is on hundreds of microfilm reels. It is too expensive
and almost impossible to make hard copies. >>

Have these records ever been microfilmed by the Latter Day Saints?
If so, copies of the microfilms could be ordered through the Family History
Centers and made available at any Centers desired worldwide.
If they have never been microfilmed by LDS, then you may want to contact the
LDS about options for making the records available. Their involvement could
relieve U SIG of the financial burden of doing it ourselves while making the
records available to the group.

Contact me privately for more information.

Jeff Miller
Olney, Maryland
SingingTM@aol.com


Re: Kievskie Gubernskie Vedomosti Project #ukraine

Les Ungerleider & Lyn Blyden <slu@...>
 

Just a thought-
Since a publishing firm wants to have organizations buy it, we might think
- who are some of the other owners of the microfilm. LDS perhaps? Other
universities or libraries?

I did a web search on 'Vedomosti' just to get an idea of the number of hits
and their sources.

I am so new to JewishGen I hesitate to make this recommendation. But I
wonder........

Please keep me informed!


Regards,
Lyn Blyden

MODERATOR'S NOTE: We welcome ALL of your ideas, whether you're just starting out, or are a weathered veteran. Don't be shy about posting your questions & suggestions to the List. :-)

-----Original Message-----
... $100 a film, although if you buy the whole set at once, there's a
discount:

Kievskie gubernskie vedomosti, 1838-1917
136 reels of 35mm microfilm -- $11,000


If anyone else can give us some ideas on how we can undertake this project
more efficiently & less expensively, I'd be very grateful for your
suggestions. It's alright to share your answers with our mailing list, & I
look forward to any & all helpful thoughts about the project.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Kievskie Gubernskie Vedomosti Project #ukraine

Les Ungerleider & Lyn Blyden <slu@...>
 

Just a thought-
Since a publishing firm wants to have organizations buy it, we might think
- who are some of the other owners of the microfilm. LDS perhaps? Other
universities or libraries?

I did a web search on 'Vedomosti' just to get an idea of the number of hits
and their sources.

I am so new to JewishGen I hesitate to make this recommendation. But I
wonder........

Please keep me informed!


Regards,
Lyn Blyden

MODERATOR'S NOTE: We welcome ALL of your ideas, whether you're just starting out, or are a weathered veteran. Don't be shy about posting your questions & suggestions to the List. :-)

-----Original Message-----
... $100 a film, although if you buy the whole set at once, there's a
discount:

Kievskie gubernskie vedomosti, 1838-1917
136 reels of 35mm microfilm -- $11,000


If anyone else can give us some ideas on how we can undertake this project
more efficiently & less expensively, I'd be very grateful for your
suggestions. It's alright to share your answers with our mailing list, & I
look forward to any & all helpful thoughts about the project.


Re: From Rose Linden #hungary

David and BethLong <dnblong@...>
 

I didn't see an answer to this question yet, so...

The zipcode for Tiszaluc is 3565. The site to locate Hungarian zipcodes is
http://www.posta.hu/

Beth Long

"Does anyone know of a resource for postal zone numbers for towns/cities in Hungary? <snip>

RoseLinden@aol.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: From Rose Linden #hungary

David and BethLong <dnblong@...>
 

I didn't see an answer to this question yet, so...

The zipcode for Tiszaluc is 3565. The site to locate Hungarian zipcodes is
http://www.posta.hu/

Beth Long

"Does anyone know of a resource for postal zone numbers for towns/cities in Hungary? <snip>

RoseLinden@aol.com


Re: * Magyarositas = Hungarization (a bit long) #hungary

Janos Bogardi / Radix <janos@...>
 

Dear Louis and listers,

Re: Szazadunk nevvaltozasai (surname changes of our [19th century) Louis wrote:

moderator note2 and questions:

I wrote the following on my "Research Trip Report" date 9/27/2000:

"Finally, regarding the topic of name changes, in the Szechenyi Hungarian
National Library I found a book in the non-circulating book room titled
Szasadunk Nevvaltoztatasai 1800-1893, call number /1/171/40. It was
published in 1895 and is similar to the name change registration books
mentioned previously. This is a small format book of 253 pages and has a
brown cover. Two pages >from the book would fit on a letter sized page. The
size and number of pages would make this book amenable for photocopying."

IS THIS THE BOOK published by Viktor Hornyanszky, referred to above?
Yes it is this book. Viktor Hornyanszky is the publisher. The author is
anonymous on the book, however, we know that it was Zoltan Szentivanyi.


ALSO, PLEASE BE AWARE THAT there were semi-annual publications listing
names changes. How do these books fit into plans for distribution?: Will
the data in them be included as well?

As reported in my message of 9/27:

"...a soft cover large format book titled Kimutatas- Az 1910 evi I.
feleben engedelyezett nevvaltoztatasokrol (rough translation:
Announcement - for 1910 (part I) permission given to change family names)
his is an alphabetical listing with the following column headings
(followed by a sample listing) 1. Eredeti Vezeteknev (Adler, Samuel) 2.
Felvett uj vezeteknev (Balog)3. A csaladfo es gyermekeinek - subheading a.
polgari allasa (hentes which means butcher. b.lakhelye (Budapest) c.
szuletesi heye / eve (Szentpeter/1874 - this is birthplace and year of
birth) d. vallasa (izr.)4. trans.-registration number (171252). This file
had volumes 1 & 2 for 1910. There must be additional books such as these
for different years. I would think that these books could also be found in
Budapest libraries and archives. These books would be a valuable addition
to our research tools."
I do not know these publications.

MY FINAL QUESTION HERE IS has the work of Agnes Varkany been published and
what does her research entail?

Quoting >from the same report:

"There is a well known archivist in Budapest by the name of Agnes Varkany
who is researching these books..."
LS
Prof. Agnes R. Varkonyi (if she is the person) is a respected historian
for early modern Hungarian history, with main interest on the 18th
century, and recently, on environmental history. I do not know if she does
any research into surname changes.


There is one more resource that I am aware of and is relevant to our
subject. Hungary's official gazette, the Budapesti Kozlony published name
changes up to 1916. So, this can be used as a continuation for the above
mentioned book. The following information
is included in the Budapesti Kozlony:
- old surname, given name(s)

- profession
- illetoseg (Zustandigkeit) - if known or applicable
- place of residence
- family members - if affected by the surname change
- new, changed surname
- permit number, which is actually the file number at Hungary's Ministry
of Interior


Hope this helps.

All the best,

Janos Bogardi / Radix.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: * Magyarositas = Hungarization (a bit long) #hungary

Janos Bogardi / Radix <janos@...>
 

Dear Louis and listers,

Re: Szazadunk nevvaltozasai (surname changes of our [19th century) Louis wrote:

moderator note2 and questions:

I wrote the following on my "Research Trip Report" date 9/27/2000:

"Finally, regarding the topic of name changes, in the Szechenyi Hungarian
National Library I found a book in the non-circulating book room titled
Szasadunk Nevvaltoztatasai 1800-1893, call number /1/171/40. It was
published in 1895 and is similar to the name change registration books
mentioned previously. This is a small format book of 253 pages and has a
brown cover. Two pages >from the book would fit on a letter sized page. The
size and number of pages would make this book amenable for photocopying."

IS THIS THE BOOK published by Viktor Hornyanszky, referred to above?
Yes it is this book. Viktor Hornyanszky is the publisher. The author is
anonymous on the book, however, we know that it was Zoltan Szentivanyi.


ALSO, PLEASE BE AWARE THAT there were semi-annual publications listing
names changes. How do these books fit into plans for distribution?: Will
the data in them be included as well?

As reported in my message of 9/27:

"...a soft cover large format book titled Kimutatas- Az 1910 evi I.
feleben engedelyezett nevvaltoztatasokrol (rough translation:
Announcement - for 1910 (part I) permission given to change family names)
his is an alphabetical listing with the following column headings
(followed by a sample listing) 1. Eredeti Vezeteknev (Adler, Samuel) 2.
Felvett uj vezeteknev (Balog)3. A csaladfo es gyermekeinek - subheading a.
polgari allasa (hentes which means butcher. b.lakhelye (Budapest) c.
szuletesi heye / eve (Szentpeter/1874 - this is birthplace and year of
birth) d. vallasa (izr.)4. trans.-registration number (171252). This file
had volumes 1 & 2 for 1910. There must be additional books such as these
for different years. I would think that these books could also be found in
Budapest libraries and archives. These books would be a valuable addition
to our research tools."
I do not know these publications.

MY FINAL QUESTION HERE IS has the work of Agnes Varkany been published and
what does her research entail?

Quoting >from the same report:

"There is a well known archivist in Budapest by the name of Agnes Varkany
who is researching these books..."
LS
Prof. Agnes R. Varkonyi (if she is the person) is a respected historian
for early modern Hungarian history, with main interest on the 18th
century, and recently, on environmental history. I do not know if she does
any research into surname changes.


There is one more resource that I am aware of and is relevant to our
subject. Hungary's official gazette, the Budapesti Kozlony published name
changes up to 1916. So, this can be used as a continuation for the above
mentioned book. The following information
is included in the Budapesti Kozlony:
- old surname, given name(s)

- profession
- illetoseg (Zustandigkeit) - if known or applicable
- place of residence
- family members - if affected by the surname change
- new, changed surname
- permit number, which is actually the file number at Hungary's Ministry
of Interior


Hope this helps.

All the best,

Janos Bogardi / Radix.


Tiszalucz #hungary

Graner Georges <georges.graner@...>
 

For Rose Linden,
Dear Rose,
I see you are looking for the postal code of Tiszalucz.
May I tell you that I am also interested in Tiszalucz were my Grandmother
Gottdiener Szeren was born in 1873 and where her father was the circumsizer.
I have spent a certain number of hours on the mormon film # 0642958 where
Tiszalucz data are to be found. If I can help you with my notes, do not
hesitate.

Regards,
Georges GRANER

************************************************************************
* Tracking #: 6B2ECDF736E6D411AF790050049D33293D632006
*
************************************************************************


Hungary SIG #Hungary Tiszalucz #hungary

Graner Georges <georges.graner@...>
 

For Rose Linden,
Dear Rose,
I see you are looking for the postal code of Tiszalucz.
May I tell you that I am also interested in Tiszalucz were my Grandmother
Gottdiener Szeren was born in 1873 and where her father was the circumsizer.
I have spent a certain number of hours on the mormon film # 0642958 where
Tiszalucz data are to be found. If I can help you with my notes, do not
hesitate.

Regards,
Georges GRANER

************************************************************************
* Tracking #: 6B2ECDF736E6D411AF790050049D33293D632006
*
************************************************************************


Re: NagyKanizsa #hungary

korman3 <korman3@...>
 

what county is your town in? The 1848 census only still exists for a
handful of counties.

Debbi


Re: * Magyarositas = Hungarization (a bit long) #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

Hi Tom,

I think, that "magyarosit=E1s" had roots in the fact that "Greater" Hungary=20=
had=20
only a little more than 50% Hungarian population, and this was a way to=20
increase the percentage. The theory was that if someone had a Hungarian name=
,=20
spoke Hungarian and this way had a Hungarian culture, he or she was Hungaria=
n=20
no matter where he or she came from. I find this quite liberal.=20

I might be wrong, but I thought people had to get only their grandparents=20
birth certificate during the Horthy regime.

Attila R=F3na=20


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: NagyKanizsa #hungary

korman3 <korman3@...>
 

what county is your town in? The 1848 census only still exists for a
handful of counties.

Debbi


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: * Magyarositas = Hungarization (a bit long) #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

Hi Tom,

I think, that "magyarosit=E1s" had roots in the fact that "Greater" Hungary=20=
had=20
only a little more than 50% Hungarian population, and this was a way to=20
increase the percentage. The theory was that if someone had a Hungarian name=
,=20
spoke Hungarian and this way had a Hungarian culture, he or she was Hungaria=
n=20
no matter where he or she came from. I find this quite liberal.=20

I might be wrong, but I thought people had to get only their grandparents=20
birth certificate during the Horthy regime.

Attila R=F3na=20


Re: Grossberg and Freiberg families? #latvia

Arlene Beare <arl@...>
 

Eric
I suggest you search the All Latvia Database at
http;//www.jewishgen.org/databases/latvia

You can also contact the Archives and request a search -write to:
Mrs Irina Veinberga
Latvian State Historical Archives
Slokas iela 16
Riga LV-1007
Latvia

If you ask for research to be done then you must pay a non refundable $50
to start the search. If not in the USA then the equivalent amount in your
currency. (I note that you are in the USA) This is a once only payment and
subsequent requests will not require any payment other than the amount due
for the work done.

Payment may be by cheque in which case you need to add $7. $57 would then
be the amount sent. If you send a Postal or Money order then only $50 is
needed.

Payment of the bill is a similar story. You pay the amount asked for if
money or postal order. If by cheque then for amounts below $100 you add $7.
For any amount over $100 you need to add $20 to your cheque. The extra
required is never more that $20.

You need to send all the details that you have as regards names,dates of
birth ,places lived,dates left Latvia etc.

There is often a 6month delay until you get a result.

They are very good and will do their best for you.


Arlene Beare
President Latvia SIG

At 20:20 08/01/01 -0500, you wrote:
I am secular Sociologist who is trying to explore a possible Jewish lineage--
the lineage that was probably erased right before World War II.

My mother's maiden name was Ursula Isakowsky. She was a "displaced
person" who
was born in Posen Poland in 1940. Her father was Kurt Isakowsky (Kurts
Fredricks Isakovskis). Her mother was Hildegard Aab. Both of my
Grandparents
were >from Riga.

The family were Lutherans by the time my mother was born. We believe that
some
of our family had a religious conversion in order to escape political
repression. We have great grandparents named Sigrid Grossberg and Walter
Johann
Freiberg.

Does anybody recognize these names? If not, I would appreciate some
suggestions on comprehensive archieves. Also, can people recommend a good
historical/ethnographic book on Jewish culture in the Baltic area?

Thanks,

Eric Swank
Dept. of Sociology and Social Work
Morehead State University
Morehead, KY 40351
(606) 783-2190


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Grossberg and Freiberg families? #latvia

Arlene Beare <arl@...>
 

Eric
I suggest you search the All Latvia Database at
http;//www.jewishgen.org/databases/latvia

You can also contact the Archives and request a search -write to:
Mrs Irina Veinberga
Latvian State Historical Archives
Slokas iela 16
Riga LV-1007
Latvia

If you ask for research to be done then you must pay a non refundable $50
to start the search. If not in the USA then the equivalent amount in your
currency. (I note that you are in the USA) This is a once only payment and
subsequent requests will not require any payment other than the amount due
for the work done.

Payment may be by cheque in which case you need to add $7. $57 would then
be the amount sent. If you send a Postal or Money order then only $50 is
needed.

Payment of the bill is a similar story. You pay the amount asked for if
money or postal order. If by cheque then for amounts below $100 you add $7.
For any amount over $100 you need to add $20 to your cheque. The extra
required is never more that $20.

You need to send all the details that you have as regards names,dates of
birth ,places lived,dates left Latvia etc.

There is often a 6month delay until you get a result.

They are very good and will do their best for you.


Arlene Beare
President Latvia SIG

At 20:20 08/01/01 -0500, you wrote:
I am secular Sociologist who is trying to explore a possible Jewish lineage--
the lineage that was probably erased right before World War II.

My mother's maiden name was Ursula Isakowsky. She was a "displaced
person" who
was born in Posen Poland in 1940. Her father was Kurt Isakowsky (Kurts
Fredricks Isakovskis). Her mother was Hildegard Aab. Both of my
Grandparents
were >from Riga.

The family were Lutherans by the time my mother was born. We believe that
some
of our family had a religious conversion in order to escape political
repression. We have great grandparents named Sigrid Grossberg and Walter
Johann
Freiberg.

Does anybody recognize these names? If not, I would appreciate some
suggestions on comprehensive archieves. Also, can people recommend a good
historical/ethnographic book on Jewish culture in the Baltic area?

Thanks,

Eric Swank
Dept. of Sociology and Social Work
Morehead State University
Morehead, KY 40351
(606) 783-2190


Re: "Riga Kurlander Verein" and the unbalanced work load #courland #latvia

joebein365@...
 

Good for you!!!!

Perhaps if you explain what needs to be done, and how it is done, some of us
with few skills, but plenty of time will be willing to help.

I have not offered to help primarily because I'm afraid that I do not have
the skills necessary to really be of help.

Let me know more, and if able I will help.

Love,

jJoe Bein


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: "Riga Kurlander Verein" and the unbalanced work load #latvia

joebein365@...
 

Good for you!!!!

Perhaps if you explain what needs to be done, and how it is done, some of us
with few skills, but plenty of time will be willing to help.

I have not offered to help primarily because I'm afraid that I do not have
the skills necessary to really be of help.

Let me know more, and if able I will help.

Love,

jJoe Bein